With the Christmas Festive period coming up soon and all the interest in Yorkshire dialect etc. it may be worth taking a look at www.yorkshire-dialect.org/ This site was created by Kevin Wilde (the son of the late Len Wilde a featured author). One of his poems was entitled Tracing t'Family History which we produced in a mouse mat see www.familytreefolk.co.uk/page_10958.html. Other amusing poems by Len Wilde and a vast number of authors can be found on Kevin's site that will appeal to anyone interested in Yorkshire dialect. This Yorkshire dialect genealogy Mouse mat was launched as a special for the Yorkshire Family History Fair on June 30th 2007. The poem was written by Len Wilde of Ossett who died in 1996 aged 86 and who was a keen genealogist himself. He did a lot of valuable work transcribing the local census returns ready for computer acceptance. This is our thanks from all the genealogists out there and a further tribute to his lasting memory. Permission has been given to Family Tree Folk to publish by his son, Kevin and other amusing poems by Len Wilde and a vast number of authors can be found that will appeal to anyone interested in Yorkshire dialect. Take a look and enjoy! Regards and a Merry Christmas to all on the list Mike Kostiuk Family Tree Folk Bringing genealogy to life * Website: <http://www.familytreefolk.co.uk/> www.familytreefolk.co.uk * News Geneablog: <http://familytreefolk.blogspot.com/> http://familytreefolk.blogspot.com/

Hi Nancy and many thanks for this information! It looks to be the man I'm after, perhaps living with his daughter-in-law and grandchildren.....wonder where his son is?? Appreciate your help......mary lou Would this be the fellow you are looking for? Nancy 1841 England Census about Robert Shaw Name: Robert Shaw Age: 60 Estimated birth year: abt 1781 Gender: Male Where born: Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Fewston Hundred: Claro (Lower Division) County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Thruscrofs or Thruscross?? Occupation: Farmer Registration district: Pateley Bridge Sub-registration district: Thornthwaite Household Members: Name Age John Shaw 7 Mo Mary Ann Shaw 2 Robert Shaw 60 Robert Shaw 4 Sarah Shaw 25 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Hi folks, Whilst scanning a book I came across a document between the pages - an Apprentices Indenture from 1884 and thought that those of you who have never seen one might like to see it. It is printed (and written) on vellum. The size is about 14 by 9.5 inches. You can find this at: http://blunham.com/Yorksgen/ApprenticesIndenture2.jpg The image is slightly larger than life size at a scale of 1:1. Best wishes, Colin Hinson In the village of Blunham in Bedfordshire U.K. Webmaster for the Genuki Yorkshire pages: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ Old and Rare Yorkshire Books on searchable CDroms: http://cdroms.blunham.com/

Hi....would someone with access be so kind as to see if they could find ROBERT J. SHAW b. ca1786 with wife called SARAH b. ca1815 in the 1841 census in the Fewston area? Many thanks......mary lou **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Would this be the fellow you are looking for? Nancy 1841 England Census about Robert Shaw Name: Robert Shaw Age: 60 Estimated birth year: abt 1781 Gender: Male Where born: Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Fewston Hundred: Claro (Lower Division) County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Thruscrofs or Thruscross?? Occupation: Farmer Registration district: Pateley Bridge Sub-registration district: Thornthwaite Household Members: Name Age John Shaw 7 Mo Mary Ann Shaw 2 Robert Shaw 60 Robert Shaw 4 Sarah Shaw 25

----- Original Message ----- From: "BRUCE MOORHOUSE" <brucemoorhouse@rogers.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] (no subject) Hi Bruce, my Odgen's came from Northanpton, sorry Janet > Janet: > > > Nice to hear from you. Unfortunately I am not acquainted with Doreen. > > Interestingly I have an Hesther Ogden, bn 1751 in Cowling who married > William Roper in Kildwick. That'st quite a ways back but I though I would > do a little fishing ti see if your Ogden line came from Cowling or > Kildwick. > > > > Regards > > > Bruce > > > > > Janet Ogden <janet@janetsfamilies.f2s.com> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BRUCE MOORHOUSE" > > To: > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 4:53 PM > Subject: [WRY] (no subject) > > Hi Bruce, I went to Woodend School with Doreen Moorhouse, do you know her > her? Thanks Janet > > >> Hello: >> >> >> I am researching the Moorhouse family that came from the Keighley and >> Bingley areas of WYks. I have come to a dead and believe that it is very >> possible that my line came from Silsden prior to living in the Keighley >> area.. I would be very interested in hearing from any interested in the >> Moorhouse family in Silsden especially if they think they may have >> connections that are also ii the Keighley and Bingley areas. >> >> My great great great grandparents were John Moorhouse, bn ca 1760 and >> Betty Appleyard bn ca 1763 in Horsforth. They were married 3 Feb 1784 at >> Bingley. >> >> I believe my great great great great grandparents were John Moorhouse, bn >> ?, who married Eleanor (Ellen) Shuttleworth, bn ca 1736 at Cowling, 15 >> Sep >> 1760 at Bingley. >> >> >> If you think that you have any information that might be of help to me I >> would be very pleased to hear from you. >> >> >> Bruce Moorhouse >> brucemoorhouse@rogers.com >> Ontario Canada >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1179 - Release Date: >> 09/12/2007 11:06 >> >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 63709 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Try SPAMfighter for free now! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1179 - Release Date: > 09/12/2007 11:06 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 63746 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

Hi again Bruce. Well here today we got primarily rain and + 3C I guess you are north of 7 and thus are in the snow. I didn't think there was a MOOREHOUSE connection but thought it possible that our two APPLEYARDS might be connected (but one generation removed) as the towns are only a couple of miles apart. From that region they all attended Guisely Parish Church. I have not researched the APPLEYARD name so can't offer anything at present. Merry Christmas Mel Smith Whitby, Ontario, Canada -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of BRUCE MOORHOUSE Sent: December 10, 2007 8:30 PM To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WRY] Moorehouse/Appleyard Mel: Thank you for your note. Interesting how we run across people who have similar names in their lines but which seem to be unconnected. I also have the Wood name in my line but they came from the Upper Hob Cote, Keighley and possibly the Haworth areas. Interesting to that you and I are not far apart. I live in Richmond Hill Ontario. Seasons Greetings Bruce Moorhouse Mel Smith <melsmith@sympatico.ca> wrote: Hello Bruce: Although I do not have those specific individuals in my lineage I do by coincidence have both family names marrying into my line. I have John APPLEYARD b. 16Nov1805 in Yeadon (just round corner from Horsforth) He married Juliana WALMSLEY of Otley 13Jun1832 Elizabeth MOOREHOUSE b. abt Mar 1803 in Lepton (dau of Stephen MOOREHOUSE & Mary HORNCLIFF) She married William WOOD 24 Feb 1823 in Kirkheaton Mel Smith Whitby, Ontario, Canada -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of BRUCE MOORHOUSE Sent: December 10, 2007 11:53 AM To: WEST-RIDING-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WRY] (no subject) Hello: I am researching the Moorhouse family that came from the Keighley and Bingley areas of WYks. I have come to a dead and believe that it is very possible that my line came from Silsden prior to living in the Keighley area.. I would be very interested in hearing from any interested in the Moorhouse family in Silsden especially if they think they may have connections that are also ii the Keighley and Bingley areas. My great great great grandparents were John Moorhouse, bn ca 1760 and Betty Appleyard bn ca 1763 in Horsforth. They were married 3 Feb 1784 at Bingley. I believe my great great great great grandparents were John Moorhouse, bn ?, who married Eleanor (Ellen) Shuttleworth, bn ca 1736 at Cowling, 15 Sep 1760 at Bingley. If you think that you have any information that might be of help to me I would be very pleased to hear from you. Bruce Moorhouse brucemoorhouse@rogers.com Ontario Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

AC5Hi, Kath and All, Thank you for that. This is the reply I received from the above regarding Joshua BATTY. He did indeed have a brother, Charles (2 years younger or older than he.) They were the children of James BATTY, Farmer and Sarah (ms BROWN). The witnesses at the marriage of Joshua BATTY and Charlotte SHEPHERD were Joshua's brother, William and his sister Martha (who had married George BARRACLOUGH). Father of Joshua was recorded as James, Farmer and father of Charlotte was recorded as David, Gardner. (He was actually a gamekeeper for the Duke of Norfolk, but maybe with the strong accent they sounded alike.) Joshua and Charlotte arrived in Australia on the ship "Northern Bride" in June, 1858, with 2 children, Hannah 3 and an unnamed 1 year old, plus his brother Amos, and brother William and wife Sarah. I have the certificates of Joshua and Charlotte's marriage and the births of 2 children: Hannah Elizabeth (1855 YKS) and Sarah Ann (1857 YKS), plus Sarah Ann's baptism in N.S.W. Australia. She was born on the date specified on her birth certificate and baptised some years later in AUS. Would anyone know whether/ where Hannah Elizabeth BATTY (born 11 Mar, 1855 at Hazlehead, Thurlstone), may have been baptised?. By 1857, when Sarah Ann was born, they were living at Eccleshall Bierlow. If not, is it possible to obtain that baptism of Hannah Elizabeth? Do they have witnesses/sponsors/godparents recorded? I would greatly appreciate any kind person's help. Best wishes, 'going batty', Carolyn. Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: Wakefield Archives To: Carolyn Wilson Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 4:27 AM Subject: RE: Wakefield Prison Records AC5.4.1.6 GRB Dear Mrs. Wilson Thank you for your enquiry, received by us on the 19th November. We do hold records relating to Wakefield Prison here at Wakefield, under the reference C118. However, records prior to the Prison coming under the control of the Home Office in 1879 are scant, and sadly no register survives from 1815, nor does a set of prisoner calendars. However, I have been able to locate details of Joshua Batty's conviction(s) through the records of the West Riding of Yorkshire Quarter Sessions. This was the middle level of the English court structure of the time, and dealt with relatively serious matters (mostly thefts of property and assault). Joshua was convicted along with a Charles Batty on two counts at the Sheffield Intermediate Sessions held on the 30th August 1879. Joshua and Charles are described as being from Wakefield, and were convicted for two thefts: the first being in Ecclesfield for the theft of one duck (the value of one shilling) the property of one George Jubb on the 14th August 1850; and for the theft of 3 ducks and 1 drake, the property of one Benjamin Charlesworth of Penistone, also on the 14th August 1850. For this, Charles was sentenced to 3 months hard labour in the House of Correction (now Wakefield Prison), and Joshua to be transported for the term of 7 years (all from ref QS4/79). The entry also states that Joshua was still serving a punishment for a conviction at the Sheffield sessions held on the 7th January 1850, which may explain his harsh punishment. QS4/78 states that Joshua was actually acquitted at the Sheffield Sessions above for the theft of 2 pigeons at Ecclesfield on the 28th November 1849, the pigeons being the property of Samuel Crawshaw. However, this entry does state that Joshua was convicted before the Sheffield Sessions on the 29th May 1849. On this occasion (ref QS4/77), Joshua was convicted of the theft of half a crown at Ecclesfield, and was sentenced to one calendar month in the House of Correction. This appears to be Joshua's first conviction. There may be more information in on Joshua's convictions in the appropriate Sessions bundle, and in this case you may like to take advantage of our research service, further details of which can be found on our website. I hope that the above is of some use to you, and if you do have any further questions please do get back in touch with us. Yours sincerely Gary Brannan Archivist West Yorkshire Archive Service Wakefield Registry of Deeds Newstead Road Wakefield WF1 2DE Tel: +44 (0)1924 305980 Fax: +44 (0)1924 305983 Web: www.archives.wyjs.org.uk _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the originator of the message. This footer also confirms that this e-mail message has been scanned for the presence of computer viruses. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifies and with authority, states them to be the views of West Yorkshire Joint Services.

Hi Bruce: Hope I haven't raised your hopes as I have no information regarding MOORHOUSE. However, I had a similar problem with my FOWLERs in Otley. My relevant generations were: Solomon (married to LYDIA), his son Francis, Francis' son Thomas, and Thomas' daughter Emma. I could not move Francis from Otley to Beeston and I knew Thomas was born in Beeston. I finally looked at the IGI records that show everyone recorded in a particular batch and and there it was, Francis had a daughter LYDIA who died young. Using the same method I found that my Thomas had a son Francis who died young. The name LYDIA was the key, the rest just fell into place. Is there a naming pattern in your family that might help? Valerie

----- Original Message ----- From: "BRUCE MOORHOUSE" <brucemoorhouse@rogers.com> To: <WEST-RIDING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 4:53 PM Subject: [WRY] (no subject) Hi Bruce, I went to Woodend School with Doreen Moorhouse, do you know her her? Thanks Janet > Hello: > > > I am researching the Moorhouse family that came from the Keighley and > Bingley areas of WYks. I have come to a dead and believe that it is very > possible that my line came from Silsden prior to living in the Keighley > area.. I would be very interested in hearing from any interested in the > Moorhouse family in Silsden especially if they think they may have > connections that are also ii the Keighley and Bingley areas. > > My great great great grandparents were John Moorhouse, bn ca 1760 and > Betty Appleyard bn ca 1763 in Horsforth. They were married 3 Feb 1784 at > Bingley. > > I believe my great great great great grandparents were John Moorhouse, bn > ?, who married Eleanor (Ellen) Shuttleworth, bn ca 1736 at Cowling, 15 Sep > 1760 at Bingley. > > > If you think that you have any information that might be of help to me I > would be very pleased to hear from you. > > > Bruce Moorhouse > brucemoorhouse@rogers.com > Ontario Canada > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1179 - Release Date: > 09/12/2007 11:06 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 63709 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

Mel: Thank you for your note. Interesting how we run across people who have similar names in their lines but which seem to be unconnected. I also have the Wood name in my line but they came from the Upper Hob Cote, Keighley and possibly the Haworth areas. Interesting to that you and I are not far apart. I live in Richmond Hill Ontario. Seasons Greetings Bruce Moorhouse Mel Smith <melsmith@sympatico.ca> wrote: Hello Bruce: Although I do not have those specific individuals in my lineage I do by coincidence have both family names marrying into my line. I have John APPLEYARD b. 16Nov1805 in Yeadon (just round corner from Horsforth) He married Juliana WALMSLEY of Otley 13Jun1832 Elizabeth MOOREHOUSE b. abt Mar 1803 in Lepton (dau of Stephen MOOREHOUSE & Mary HORNCLIFF) She married William WOOD 24 Feb 1823 in Kirkheaton Mel Smith Whitby, Ontario, Canada -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of BRUCE MOORHOUSE Sent: December 10, 2007 11:53 AM To: WEST-RIDING-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WRY] (no subject) Hello: I am researching the Moorhouse family that came from the Keighley and Bingley areas of WYks. I have come to a dead and believe that it is very possible that my line came from Silsden prior to living in the Keighley area.. I would be very interested in hearing from any interested in the Moorhouse family in Silsden especially if they think they may have connections that are also ii the Keighley and Bingley areas. My great great great grandparents were John Moorhouse, bn ca 1760 and Betty Appleyard bn ca 1763 in Horsforth. They were married 3 Feb 1784 at Bingley. I believe my great great great great grandparents were John Moorhouse, bn ?, who married Eleanor (Ellen) Shuttleworth, bn ca 1736 at Cowling, 15 Sep 1760 at Bingley. If you think that you have any information that might be of help to me I would be very pleased to hear from you. Bruce Moorhouse brucemoorhouse@rogers.com Ontario Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Bruce: Although I do not have those specific individuals in my lineage I do by coincidence have both family names marrying into my line. I have John APPLEYARD b. 16Nov1805 in Yeadon (just round corner from Horsforth) He married Juliana WALMSLEY of Otley 13Jun1832 Elizabeth MOOREHOUSE b. abt Mar 1803 in Lepton (dau of Stephen MOOREHOUSE & Mary HORNCLIFF) She married William WOOD 24 Feb 1823 in Kirkheaton Mel Smith Whitby, Ontario, Canada -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of BRUCE MOORHOUSE Sent: December 10, 2007 11:53 AM To: WEST-RIDING-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WRY] (no subject) Hello: I am researching the Moorhouse family that came from the Keighley and Bingley areas of WYks. I have come to a dead and believe that it is very possible that my line came from Silsden prior to living in the Keighley area.. I would be very interested in hearing from any interested in the Moorhouse family in Silsden especially if they think they may have connections that are also ii the Keighley and Bingley areas. My great great great grandparents were John Moorhouse, bn ca 1760 and Betty Appleyard bn ca 1763 in Horsforth. They were married 3 Feb 1784 at Bingley. I believe my great great great great grandparents were John Moorhouse, bn ?, who married Eleanor (Ellen) Shuttleworth, bn ca 1736 at Cowling, 15 Sep 1760 at Bingley. If you think that you have any information that might be of help to me I would be very pleased to hear from you. Bruce Moorhouse brucemoorhouse@rogers.com Ontario Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Janet: Nice to hear from you. Unfortunately I am not acquainted with Doreen. Interestingly I have an Hesther Ogden, bn 1751 in Cowling who married William Roper in Kildwick. That'st quite a ways back but I though I would do a little fishing ti see if your Ogden line came from Cowling or Kildwick. Regards Bruce Janet Ogden <janet@janetsfamilies.f2s.com> wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "BRUCE MOORHOUSE" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 4:53 PM Subject: [WRY] (no subject) Hi Bruce, I went to Woodend School with Doreen Moorhouse, do you know her her? Thanks Janet > Hello: > > > I am researching the Moorhouse family that came from the Keighley and > Bingley areas of WYks. I have come to a dead and believe that it is very > possible that my line came from Silsden prior to living in the Keighley > area.. I would be very interested in hearing from any interested in the > Moorhouse family in Silsden especially if they think they may have > connections that are also ii the Keighley and Bingley areas. > > My great great great grandparents were John Moorhouse, bn ca 1760 and > Betty Appleyard bn ca 1763 in Horsforth. They were married 3 Feb 1784 at > Bingley. > > I believe my great great great great grandparents were John Moorhouse, bn > ?, who married Eleanor (Ellen) Shuttleworth, bn ca 1736 at Cowling, 15 Sep > 1760 at Bingley. > > > If you think that you have any information that might be of help to me I > would be very pleased to hear from you. > > > Bruce Moorhouse > brucemoorhouse@rogers.com > Ontario Canada > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1179 - Release Date: > 09/12/2007 11:06 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 63709 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello: I am researching the Moorhouse family that came from the Keighley and Bingley areas of WYks. I have come to a dead and believe that it is very possible that my line came from Silsden prior to living in the Keighley area.. I would be very interested in hearing from any interested in the Moorhouse family in Silsden especially if they think they may have connections that are also ii the Keighley and Bingley areas. My great great great grandparents were John Moorhouse, bn ca 1760 and Betty Appleyard bn ca 1763 in Horsforth. They were married 3 Feb 1784 at Bingley. I believe my great great great great grandparents were John Moorhouse, bn ?, who married Eleanor (Ellen) Shuttleworth, bn ca 1736 at Cowling, 15 Sep 1760 at Bingley. If you think that you have any information that might be of help to me I would be very pleased to hear from you. Bruce Moorhouse brucemoorhouse@rogers.com Ontario Canada

Susan, Try.... http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/calderdale/index.html it just worked for me. Gordon. ======================================== Message Received: Dec 09 2007, 11:29 PM From: "susan wiseman" To: west-riding@rootsweb.com, WEST-RIDING-L@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: Re: [WRY] Malcolm Bull's Calderdale Companion Malcolm's "trivia" site was a hugly valued & sadly missed resource certainly by myself who learnt much but never felt able to contribute to his vast knowlege - but PLEASE how do I access it now -"access denied" - PLEASE MALCOLM LET ME IN - I've missed you ! Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 9:34 PM Subject: [WRY] Malcolm Bull's Calderdale Companion >I am cross-posting so I hope it is OK. Posted this on the Halifax list >also. > > > Hi Everyone - Malcolm Bull has his wonderful site, Calderdale Companion, > up > and running again. If you have never seen it, take a look. One picture is > worth a thousand words. Those of us who are familiar with it are really > happy to be able to access it again. It is loaded with information about > the Calderdale area and its people. Malcolm welcomes contributions. > > Malcolm is going to give it a trial run to see if there is enough interest > to keep it on-line. > > This is really a great site. Give it a look. And then another. And > another. > Let's show Malcolm that all his effort is appreciated by those doing > research in the Calderdale area. I, for one, am overjoyed to have it back > again. > > http://members.aol.com/_ > ht_a/calderdale/index.html > > > Carole > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Malcolm's "trivia" site was a hugly valued & sadly missed resource certainly by myself who learnt much but never felt able to contribute to his vast knowlege - but PLEASE how do I access it now -"access denied" - PLEASE MALCOLM LET ME IN - I've missed you ! Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: <carolec@pronetisp.net> To: <WEST-RIDING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 9:34 PM Subject: [WRY] Malcolm Bull's Calderdale Companion >I am cross-posting so I hope it is OK. Posted this on the Halifax list >also. > > > Hi Everyone - Malcolm Bull has his wonderful site, Calderdale Companion, > up > and running again. If you have never seen it, take a look. One picture is > worth a thousand words. Those of us who are familiar with it are really > happy to be able to access it again. It is loaded with information about > the Calderdale area and its people. Malcolm welcomes contributions. > > Malcolm is going to give it a trial run to see if there is enough interest > to keep it on-line. > > This is really a great site. Give it a look. And then another. And > another. > Let's show Malcolm that all his effort is appreciated by those doing > research in the Calderdale area. I, for one, am overjoyed to have it back > again. > > <http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/calderdale/index.html>http://members.aol.com/_ > ht_a/calderdale/index.html > > > Carole > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

carolec@pronetisp.net wrote: > I am cross-posting so I hope it is OK. Posted this on the Halifax list also. > > > Hi Everyone - Malcolm Bull has his wonderful site, Calderdale Companion, up > and running again. If you have never seen it, take a look. One picture is > worth a thousand words. Those of us who are familiar with it are really > happy to be able to access it again. It is loaded with information about > the Calderdale area and its people. Malcolm welcomes contributions. > > Malcolm is going to give it a trial run to see if there is enough interest > to keep it on-line. > > This is really a great site. Give it a look. And then another. And another. > Let's show Malcolm that all his effort is appreciated by those doing > research in the Calderdale area. I, for one, am overjoyed to have it back > again. > > <http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/calderdale/index.html>http://members.aol.com/_ > ht_a/calderdale/index.html > > > Carole > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > I'm in danger of cross posting too! Let's make sure this fantastic resource stays online by contributing and making sure there are lots of hits! All my family lines come from Calderdale, and Malcolm's site has been greatly missed. Anne -- Nick and Anne Hopton, Caversham, Reading, England.

The Joshua Batty in Wakefield prison is probably the one who was tried for stealing a duck worth 1 shilling from a George Jubb in 1850. Don't have the actual date. He got seven years transportation so would more than likely still be in Wakefield prison at the census in 1851. This being the case I don't see him able to marry anybody in this country in 1854. Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Corner" <acorner@shaw.ca> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 2, Issue 388 > Hi, > > I'm not sure if I understand your mystery. Could you possibly just reword > the gist of it for me so I know I've 'got it'? > > How do you know the Joshua Batty in the Wakefield prison is the correct > Joshua Batty? There are several born about the same time showing up in > the > census records. Did you get a father's name from the marriage > certificate. > > Are you thinking that the Shepherd family changed their name unofficially > or > that there was a typographical error or that someone was hiding a crime or > just 'adopted' children so they didn't find out about 'dad'.?? > > Ann > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <west-riding-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 12:02 AM > Subject: WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 2, Issue 388 > > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. WHO WAS GEORGE SHEPHARD? (Carolyn Wilson) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:40:29 +1100 >> From: "Carolyn Wilson" <dazwilson@bigpond.com> >> Subject: [WRY] WHO WAS GEORGE SHEPHARD? >> To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> >> Cc: west-riding@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <008901c83861$62d887c0$0300000a@acer86e9bf2e61> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=response >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> Hi, All, >>>>> >>>>> I wonder whether anyone could help me with a mystery / brickwall, >>>>> please >>>>> ? >>>>> I shall try to make it as brief as possible (!) >>>>> >>>>> A Joshua BATTY married a Charlotte SHEPHERD in Sheffield, YKS on 17 >>>>> Apr, >>>>> 1854. (Certificate in my possession.) >>>>> They had 2 children born in England - Hannah Elizabeth on 11 Mar, >>>>> 1855, >>>>> YKS and Sarah Ann on 15 Jul, 1857, YKS. (Certificates ditto.) >>>>> >>>>> Joshua's occupation in the 1851 Census was Ag Labourer and he was a >>>>> prisoner in Wakefield. >>>>> >>>>> Then he and Charlotte and the 2 girls arrived in Melbourne on the >>>>> "Northern Bride" in Jun, 1858, along with other members of the BATTY >>>>> family (spelt BATTYE on ship's record). >>>>> >>>>> There are 6 baptisms for children at the Presbyterian Church in >>>>> Carcoar, >>>>> N.S.W. >>>>> >>>>> - Sarah Ann b. 15 Jul, 1857, bapt 6 Jan, 1863 (b. Sheffield to Joshua >>>>> BATTY, Farmer and Charlotte (SHEPHERD.) >>>>> - Mary Jane b. 3 Jun, 1859 (Aus), bpt 6 Jan, 1863. Joshua's birthplace >>>>> is >>>>> Sheffield and mother is Charlotte. >>>>> - Eliza b. 9 May, 1866, bpt 6 Jun, 1868. Joshua is Labourer, >>>>> Summerhill >>>>> and mother is Charlotte. >>>>> - Martha b. 28 Jul, 1864, bpt 6 Apr, 1868. same parents and details as >>>>> above. >>>>> - David b. 20 Sep, 1868, bpt 13 Apr, 1869. Joshua is now "Farmer, >>>>> Summerhill, mother is Charlotte (SHEPHERD.) >>>>> - William b. 29 Jul, 1870, bpt 9 Apr, 1871. Joshua is Farmer, >>>>> Summerhill, >>>>> mother is Charlotte (SHEPHERD.) >>>>> >>>>> Now the mystery starts to >>>>> deepen........................................... >>>>> >>>>> There are 12 children born to a George SHEPHARD(sic) and Charlotte (MS >>>>> SHEPHARD) (on the date they say they were married in Sheffield, >>>>> Charlotte >>>>> m. Joshua BATTY.) There is *no* marriage anywhere in UK around the >>>>> right >>>>> time to 2 SHEPHARDs(sic.) Nor in N.S.W. >>>>> >>>>> Children are: >>>>> >>>>> - Hannah Elizabeth. b. 1855 (according to her MC in 1873 she was 18 >>>>> and >>>>> b. >>>>> YKS.) >>>>> - Sarah Ann b. 1857 YKS >>>>> - Mary Jane b. 1859 (I have her BC and she was b. 3 Jun, 1859, >>>>> Summerhill >>>>> and was unnamed on the BC. Parents George and Charlotte. >>>>> - Charlotte b. 31 Jan, 1861, Summerhill - unnamed on BC >>>>> - James b. 11 Sep, 1862, Summerhill. Parents George and Charlotte. >>>>> - Martha b. 1864 d/o >>>>> - Eliza b. 1866 d/o >>>>> - David b. 1868 d/o >>>>> - William b. 1870 d/o (died 1872) >>>>> - George b. 12 Sep, 1872 d/o "born in hollow by house". >>>>> - Joseph b. 1874 d.o >>>>> - Thomas b. 1876 >>>>> >>>>> (There is no Noble SHEPHARD born to George and Charlotte, as it says >>>>> on >>>>> his DC. He was the illegitimate son of Eliza (b. 1866), but must have >>>>> been >>>>> reared by G and C and thought they were his parents.) >>>>> >>>>> George SHEPHARD died in 1879 at Summerhill. Joshua BATTY died in >>>>> Parramatta Asylum in 1882, so they can't be the same person. >>>>> Charlotte died 31 Dec, 1914 (on nsw bmd as 1915). >>>>> >>>>> I have both George and Charlotte's DCs and both their wills. >>>>> >>>>> Would someone who loves a good mystery <vbg> like to assist me in >>>>> trying >>>>> to unravel this mess ? >>>>> >>>>> Also would anyone know where the baptismal records would be for the >>>>> 'missing' BATTY baptisms? Most likely they would be either at home in >>>>> Rockley or in the Anglican Church in Rockley. How would I obtain >>>>> these, >>>>> please? >>>>> >>>>> As well, would there be any admission records for Joshua to Parramatta >>>>> Asylum? (His brother William also died there.) >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for listening ! >>>>> Carolyn in Bathurst. >>> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the WEST-RIDING list administrator, send an email to >> WEST-RIDING-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the WEST-RIDING mailing list, send an email to >> WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 2, Issue 388 >> ******************************************* >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am cross-posting so I hope it is OK. Posted this on the Halifax list also. Hi Everyone - Malcolm Bull has his wonderful site, Calderdale Companion, up and running again. If you have never seen it, take a look. One picture is worth a thousand words. Those of us who are familiar with it are really happy to be able to access it again. It is loaded with information about the Calderdale area and its people. Malcolm welcomes contributions. Malcolm is going to give it a trial run to see if there is enough interest to keep it on-line. This is really a great site. Give it a look. And then another. And another. Let's show Malcolm that all his effort is appreciated by those doing research in the Calderdale area. I, for one, am overjoyed to have it back again. <http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/calderdale/index.html>http://members.aol.com/_ ht_a/calderdale/index.html Carole

>>> Hi, All, >>> >>> I wonder whether anyone could help me with a mystery / brickwall, please >>> ? >>> I shall try to make it as brief as possible (!) >>> >>> A Joshua BATTY married a Charlotte SHEPHERD in Sheffield, YKS on 17 Apr, >>> 1854. (Certificate in my possession.) >>> They had 2 children born in England - Hannah Elizabeth on 11 Mar, 1855, >>> YKS and Sarah Ann on 15 Jul, 1857, YKS. (Certificates ditto.) >>> >>> Joshua's occupation in the 1851 Census was Ag Labourer and he was a >>> prisoner in Wakefield. >>> >>> Then he and Charlotte and the 2 girls arrived in Melbourne on the >>> "Northern Bride" in Jun, 1858, along with other members of the BATTY >>> family (spelt BATTYE on ship's record). >>> >>> There are 6 baptisms for children at the Presbyterian Church in Carcoar, >>> N.S.W. >>> >>> - Sarah Ann b. 15 Jul, 1857, bapt 6 Jan, 1863 (b. Sheffield to Joshua >>> BATTY, Farmer and Charlotte (SHEPHERD.) >>> - Mary Jane b. 3 Jun, 1859 (Aus), bpt 6 Jan, 1863. Joshua's birthplace >>> is >>> Sheffield and mother is Charlotte. >>> - Eliza b. 9 May, 1866, bpt 6 Jun, 1868. Joshua is Labourer, Summerhill >>> and mother is Charlotte. >>> - Martha b. 28 Jul, 1864, bpt 6 Apr, 1868. same parents and details as >>> above. >>> - David b. 20 Sep, 1868, bpt 13 Apr, 1869. Joshua is now "Farmer, >>> Summerhill, mother is Charlotte (SHEPHERD.) >>> - William b. 29 Jul, 1870, bpt 9 Apr, 1871. Joshua is Farmer, >>> Summerhill, >>> mother is Charlotte (SHEPHERD.) >>> >>> Now the mystery starts to >>> deepen........................................... >>> >>> There are 12 children born to a George SHEPHARD(sic) and Charlotte (MS >>> SHEPHARD) (on the date they say they were married in Sheffield, >>> Charlotte >>> m. Joshua BATTY.) There is *no* marriage anywhere in UK around the right >>> time to 2 SHEPHARDs(sic.) Nor in N.S.W. >>> >>> Children are: >>> >>> - Hannah Elizabeth. b. 1855 (according to her MC in 1873 she was 18 and >>> b. >>> YKS.) >>> - Sarah Ann b. 1857 YKS >>> - Mary Jane b. 1859 (I have her BC and she was b. 3 Jun, 1859, >>> Summerhill >>> and was unnamed on the BC. Parents George and Charlotte. >>> - Charlotte b. 31 Jan, 1861, Summerhill - unnamed on BC >>> - James b. 11 Sep, 1862, Summerhill. Parents George and Charlotte. >>> - Martha b. 1864 d/o >>> - Eliza b. 1866 d/o >>> - David b. 1868 d/o >>> - William b. 1870 d/o (died 1872) >>> - George b. 12 Sep, 1872 d/o "born in hollow by house". >>> - Joseph b. 1874 d.o >>> - Thomas b. 1876 >>> >>> (There is no Noble SHEPHARD born to George and Charlotte, as it says on >>> his DC. He was the illegitimate son of Eliza (b. 1866), but must have >>> been >>> reared by G and C and thought they were his parents.) >>> >>> George SHEPHARD died in 1879 at Summerhill. Joshua BATTY died in >>> Parramatta Asylum in 1882, so they can't be the same person. >>> Charlotte died 31 Dec, 1914 (on nsw bmd as 1915). >>> >>> I have both George and Charlotte's DCs and both their wills. >>> >>> Would someone who loves a good mystery <vbg> like to assist me in trying >>> to unravel this mess ? >>> >>> Also would anyone know where the baptismal records would be for the >>> 'missing' BATTY baptisms? Most likely they would be either at home in >>> Rockley or in the Anglican Church in Rockley. How would I obtain these, >>> please? >>> >>> As well, would there be any admission records for Joshua to Parramatta >>> Asylum? (His brother William also died there.) >>> >>> Thanks for listening ! >>> Carolyn in Bathurst. >