Thanks Gordon that's great - but I was hoping for so much more!!!!!!!!!!!! Back to the drawing board. Elaine 'ello, Elaine, Can't help with Hartshead, but the Halifax Marriage (20 Sep 1813) just states .... Samuel BOTTOMLEY, Cardmaker, of Dewsbury, to Mary DRAKE of Brighouse, by Banns. Nothing else. Regards, Gordon.

Gee, Andy, thanks!! :) I do so hope that Josh could NOT be Joseph, there's enough on the plate with this! I've sent for the parish register now, so maybe a pattern of naming will emerge. I also need the register to check on the accuracy of IGI transcribed dates. It would appear from the IGI that within the same Josa. Barker family are two births just 4 months apart, so something's wrong - or there are indeed three families. >>IMHO it could be either - it depends on the priest - can you establish any pattern amongst other recordings. I hate these abbreviations. It gets annoying too when they resort to mock Latin so you don't know even if Johannes is Jonathan or John! >>Couldn't Josh also be Joseph? >>Sorry to be the bearer of bad news! At least if they are at different times in 1807 you may be able to establish that there are 2 families. Happy hunting. Maggie

'ello, Elaine, Can't help with Hartshead, but the Halifax Marriage (20 Sep 1813) just states .... Samuel BOTTOMLEY, Cardmaker, of Dewsbury, to Mary DRAKE of Brighouse, by Banns. Nothing else. Regards, Gordon. ======================================== Message Received: Dec 17 2007, 08:51 PM From: "Elaine Sykes" To: WEST-RIDING-L@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: [WRY] BOTTOMLEY -again Thanks so much to those who responded to my request, especially Christine who has been amazingly helpful. Elizabeth Bottomley was my great great grandmother. Sadly there are no details of her residence or father when she married Henry Skellorn on Aug 16 1847 at St. Mary's Oldham, and I am currently awaiting her death certificate. All entries on censuses showed her birthplace as either Clifton or Hartshead, and she returned to Clifton for the birth of her eldest daughter. Per the IGI an Elizabeth Bottomley was christened on Aug 30 1828 at Hartshead Chapel in the Parish of Dewsbury - as were her siblings. Does anyone have access to these registers and could provide me with details. According to the IGI, Samuel Bottomley married Mary Drake of Shelf in Halifax on Sep 20 1813. Does anyone have access to the Halifax registers who could do a look up for me. I'd love to know the details. Neither of the IGI references are patron submissions - therefore probably quite reliable. Grateful for any and all help. Warm regards from snowbound Toronto. Elaine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've also found Armitages at Milnsbridge where Sarah's stepmother Emma HARPIN was a maid in 1871. Hi Andy......sounds like the age old story that has been retold so many times that the players get muddled. I was always told that my grandfather first immigrated to New Orleans before settling in New York state. When I started this lark, I found that it was my grandmother's father who first went to New Orleans.....there is always a grain of truth, but the story tends to get muddled. Merry Christmas......mary lou **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Hi Maggie IMHO it could be either - it depends on the priest - can you establish any pattern amongst other recordings. I hate these abbreviations. It gets annoying too when they resort to mock Latin so you don't know even if Johannes is Jonathan or John! Couldn't Josh also be Joseph? Sorry to be the bearer of bad news! At least if they are at different times in 1807 you may be able to establish that there are 2 families. HTH Andy. At 15:58 17/12/2007, you wrote: >Does anyone know about the recording of first names at the end of the >eighteenth century/early nineteenth? Mirfield parish registers show children born >in 1807 to both a Josa. Barker and a Josh. Barker. Josh. is clearly Joshua, >who is the chap I'm interested in, but is Josa. definitely Josiah? or could he >too be a Joshua? I do hope not!

Thanks so much to those who responded to my request, especially Christine who has been amazingly helpful. Elizabeth Bottomley was my great great grandmother. Sadly there are no details of her residence or father when she married Henry Skellorn on Aug 16 1847 at St. Mary's Oldham, and I am currently awaiting her death certificate. All entries on censuses showed her birthplace as either Clifton or Hartshead, and she returned to Clifton for the birth of her eldest daughter. Per the IGI an Elizabeth Bottomley was christened on Aug 30 1828 at Hartshead Chapel in the Parish of Dewsbury - as were her siblings. Does anyone have access to these registers and could provide me with details. According to the IGI, Samuel Bottomley married Mary Drake of Shelf in Halifax on Sep 20 1813. Does anyone have access to the Halifax registers who could do a look up for me. I'd love to know the details. Neither of the IGI references are patron submissions - therefore probably quite reliable. Grateful for any and all help. Warm regards from snowbound Toronto. Elaine

From: Davidandmaggie@aol.com > In a message dated 18/12/2007 10:08:25 GMT Standard Time, > MaggieMole@aol.com writes: > > It would appear from the IGI that within the > same Josa. Barker family are two births just 4 months apart, so > something's wrong - > > > Maggie..............remember that the registers are Baptismal records, > not birth registers; some families delayed for years having children > baptised and then did them in batches ! Unless the register also > states the DoB, you can never be quite sure> Quite right. A baptismal date often means little with regard to a birth date. I have seen numerous cases of couples baptising three or four children at once. This can mislead beginners into thinking they have a case of multiple births - not so! I have also come across cases of people being baptised as adults, though this is usually recorded in the registers if so. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

From: "Elaine Sykes" <elaine.sykes@sympatico.ca> > Thanks Gordon that's great - but I was hoping for so much > more!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Back to the drawing board. > > Elaine > > 'ello, Elaine, > Can't help with Hartshead, but the Halifax Marriage (20 Sep 1813) just > states .... Samuel BOTTOMLEY, Cardmaker, of Dewsbury, to Mary DRAKE > of Brighouse, by Banns. Nothing else. Regards, Gordon.> Why were you hoping for more? If you were expecting the parents' names, forget it. In my experience these very rarely - indeed, if ever - were given in the parish registers. There was no statutory requirement to record them. I would, however, have expected in 1813 to see the marital status of the parties (i.e. bachelor and spinster, widowed etc), the names of witnesses (sometimes useful, sometimes not) and whether the groom and bride signed their names or made their mark with a cross. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

It's a pity there isn't a similar site to Malcolm's for Huddersfield! Ed Law's site http://homepage.eircom.net/~lawedd/index.htm on the titled of Huddersfield is quite informative. Are there any others? I was told my great grandmother Sarah CLAPHAM was a lady's maid to Lady KAYE of Kirklees Hall before she married in 1880 - however in 1881 ARMITAGEs were in Kirklees Hall not KAYEs, so I was looking to find the truth behind the legend. Malcolm's site does mention the Armitages of Kirklees. I've also found Armitages at Milnsbridge where Sarah's stepmother Emma HARPIN was a maid in 1871. So was it Armitages at Kirklees or Kayes somewhere else? Looking for any clues you can offer! Best Wishes, Andy. At 23:48 09/12/2007, you wrote: >Try.... http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/calderdale/index.html it just worked for me.

Does anyone know about the recording of first names at the end of the eighteenth century/early nineteenth? Mirfield parish registers show children born in 1807 to both a Josa. Barker and a Josh. Barker. Josh. is clearly Joshua, who is the chap I'm interested in, but is Josa. definitely Josiah? or could he too be a Joshua? I do hope not! Thanks, experts. Maggie

Thanks Andy. So that Hargreaves UTTLEY married in Huddersfield when he had grwon up in /nr Sowerby is now understandable. Bride's church. They were nonconformists. Alison ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Micklethwaite" <jna74m@dsl.pipex.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] BOTTOMLEY - > At 04:21 13/12/2007, Alison wrote: >>Re the BOTTOMLEYs: does anyone have a Mary Jane BOTTOMLEY b1867 New >>Mill[don't know where this is.. Is it near Clifton?] >>Mary Jane married Hargreaves UTTLEY in Huddersfield in 1892. > > New Mill is about 5 miles south of Huddersfield (keeping going south > instead of turning South West to Holmfirth). > > There's a Clifton near Brighouse near the M62 junction, about 4 > miles north of Huddersfield. > > As Mary Lou said, New Mill was in Kirkburton parish but the M62 > wasn't built at that time! > > HTH Andy > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1182 - Release Date: > 12/12/2007 11:29 AM > >

Thanks for the link. and solving that for me. Alison ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mlou1173@aol.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] BOTTOMLEY - > > Re the BOTTOMLEYs: does anyone have a Mary Jane BOTTOMLEY b1867 New > Mill[don't know where this is.. Is it near Clifton?] > > > > > Hi Alison.......looks like it is in the parish of Kirkburton: > > _http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Kirkburton/index.html_ > (http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Kirkburton/index.html) > > Happy holidays.....mary lou > > > > > > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1182 - Release Date: > 12/12/2007 11:29 AM > >

Re the BOTTOMLEYs: does anyone have a Mary Jane BOTTOMLEY b1867 New Mill[don't know where this is.. Is it near Clifton?] Mary Jane married Hargreaves UTTLEY in Huddersfield in 1892. Have some info about them and their two childen. Any links anyone? Alison Alison Hargreaves-Lyons in Brisbane, Australia is seeking: AMBLER, BAILEY, CLAY, CRABTREE, DRAKE,HALEY, HARGREAVES,HEWITT, HOLDEN, JAGGER, MOLYNUEX, RUDD, TAYLOR, UTTLEY, WILSON in Halifax area, WRY. ----- Original Message ----- From: "yorkshire123" <yorkshire123@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Cc: <elaine.sykes@sympatico.ca> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [WRY] BOTTOMLEY - Clifton > elaine.sykes@sympatico.ca > wrote > snip<> Does anyone have any details regarding the family of > Elizabeth > BOTTOMLEY of Clifton b about 1828.. > > Hi > This is best match > Christine > 1841 England Census > about Elizabeth Bottomley > Name:Elizabeth Bottomley > Age:10 > Estimated Birth Year:abt 1831 > Gender:Female > Where born:Yorkshire, England > Civil Parish:Clifton > Hundred:Morley > County/Island:Yorkshire > Country:England > Registration district:Halifax > Sub-registration district:Brighouse > Neighbors:View others on page > Household Members:NameAge > Alice Bottomley1 > Elizabeth Bottomley10 > Ellen Bottomley14 > James Bottomley12 > Mary Bottomley40 > Robert Bottomley15 > Sam Bottomley40 > Willm Bottomley8 > Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1298; Book: 14; Civil Parish: > Clifton; > County: Yorkshire; Enumeration District: 9; Folio: 15; Page: 23; > Line: 6; > GSU roll: 464258. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1179 - Release Date: > 9/12/2007 11:06 AM > >

If for some awful reason Malcolm were to decide not to continue running his site, would it be possible to have genuki adopt it and run it? It's too splendid an asset to those interested in the Calderdale region to have it wither away. Any comments? Alison Alison Hargreaves-Lyons in Brisbane, Australia is seeking: AMBLER, BAILEY, CLAY, CRABTREE, DRAKE,HALEY, HARGREAVES,HEWITT, HOLDEN, JAGGER, MOLYNUEX, RUDD, TAYLOR, UTTLEY, WILSON in Halifax area, WRY. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick and Anne Hopton" <hopton@dsl.pipex.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [WRY] Malcolm Bull's Calderdale Companion > carolec@pronetisp.net wrote: >> I am cross-posting so I hope it is OK. Posted this on the Halifax >> list also. >> >> >> Hi Everyone - Malcolm Bull has his wonderful site, Calderdale >> Companion, up >> and running again. If you have never seen it, take a look. One >> picture is >> worth a thousand words. Those of us who are familiar with it are >> really >> happy to be able to access it again. It is loaded with information >> about >> the Calderdale area and its people. Malcolm welcomes contributions. >> >> Malcolm is going to give it a trial run to see if there is enough >> interest >> to keep it on-line. >> >> This is really a great site. Give it a look. And then another. And >> another. >> Let's show Malcolm that all his effort is appreciated by those >> doing >> research in the Calderdale area. I, for one, am overjoyed to have >> it back >> again. >> >> <http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/calderdale/index.html>http://members.aol.com/_ >> ht_a/calderdale/index.html >> >> >> Carole >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > I'm in danger of cross posting too! Let's make sure this fantastic > resource stays online by contributing and making sure there are lots > of > hits! All my family lines come from Calderdale, and Malcolm's site > has > been greatly missed. > > Anne > > -- > Nick and Anne Hopton, Caversham, Reading, England. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1179 - Release Date: > 9/12/2007 11:06 AM > >

Hello Elaine and List. I have an Eliza Bottomley, Bap. 1826 in Rastrick. She was the daughter of Joshua and Judith (Spivey) Bottomley. I have many Bottomleys from the Brighouse/Rastrick area. Pat (Whitby, Ontario)

At 04:21 13/12/2007, Alison wrote: >Re the BOTTOMLEYs: does anyone have a Mary Jane BOTTOMLEY b1867 New >Mill[don't know where this is.. Is it near Clifton?] >Mary Jane married Hargreaves UTTLEY in Huddersfield in 1892. New Mill is about 5 miles south of Huddersfield (keeping going south instead of turning South West to Holmfirth). There's a Clifton near Brighouse near the M62 junction, about 4 miles north of Huddersfield. As Mary Lou said, New Mill was in Kirkburton parish but the M62 wasn't built at that time! HTH Andy

May I add my Bottomley in this thread? I have a Susannah Bottomley who married my John Woodhead in 1789. Their children were baptized in Cumberworth/ Kirkburton. Has anyone come across Susannah in their research? Regards, Ruth

Re the BOTTOMLEYs: does anyone have a Mary Jane BOTTOMLEY b1867 New Mill[don't know where this is.. Is it near Clifton?] Hi Alison.......looks like it is in the parish of Kirkburton: _http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Kirkburton/index.html_ (http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Kirkburton/index.html) Happy holidays.....mary lou **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

elaine.sykes@sympatico.ca wrote snip<> Does anyone have any details regarding the family of Elizabeth BOTTOMLEY of Clifton b about 1828.. Hi This is best match Christine 1841 England Census about Elizabeth Bottomley Name:Elizabeth Bottomley Age:10 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1831 Gender:Female Where born:Yorkshire, England Civil Parish:Clifton Hundred:Morley County/Island:Yorkshire Country:England Registration district:Halifax Sub-registration district:Brighouse Neighbors:View others on page Household Members:NameAge Alice Bottomley1 Elizabeth Bottomley10 Ellen Bottomley14 James Bottomley12 Mary Bottomley40 Robert Bottomley15 Sam Bottomley40 Willm Bottomley8 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1298; Book: 14; Civil Parish: Clifton; County: Yorkshire; Enumeration District: 9; Folio: 15; Page: 23; Line: 6; GSU roll: 464258.

Does anyone have any details regarding the family of Elizabeth BOTTOMLEY of Clifton b about 1828.. She married Henry Skellorn at St. Mary's Oldham Aug 16th 1847 and according to the 1851, 1861, 1881, 1891 censuses was living in Oldham. In 1851 she was living in Taunton Ashton-under-Lyne. There is no information on the marriage entry regarding her father. Their daughter Sarah was born in Clifton in 1854 and christened in the Parish of Halifax, district of Brighouse on Sep 25th 1854. I am wondering if anyone has access to the 1841 census for Clifton, and whether or not Elizabeth and family are there. I am also wondering if there is a connection between Malcolm Bull's entry for Ellen Bottomley of Clifton, wife of Joseph Bottomley, mason, who was accidentally shot by her daughter - no name given. Thanks in advance for your help. Warm regards from cold Toronto, Elaine