hi Barbara, For some reason a reply I sent yesterday isn't showing, so, for the record: keep an eye on the new National Archives website, _www.bmdregisters.co.uk_ (http://www.bmdregisters.co.uk) which covers Nonconformist records. Quakers are due "soon". best wishes Maggie

Hello Listers If sks could please tell me where to look for a Quaker Birth Index? The IGI only has different guesses that people have submitted but no actual Batch No's or Source Call No's. Edward Casson ROWNTREE b. 1811 Thorne Yorkshire my Gt Gt Grandfather The only question I can think to ask if there is an Index for the Quakers Are they held in Yorkshire or in London? I am looking for a copy of the birth date register as well as the full reference. I am not familiar with Quaker records but do have knowledge of Parish records that can be accessed through the LDS. Thanking you in Advance Barbara from the Top End of Australia

David I have the "My ancestors were Quakers" the definite guide to Quakers as registered by the Society of Genealogists in London. Under Births it states Children, both of whose parents were in membership at the time of birth, had until 1959 a right to membership. Other minors may be admitted as minors at the request of parents. Since friends maintained an testimony against water baptism, no record is expected to be in parish registers, though occasionally incumbents felt it a civic duty to record all births in the parish*. During certain periods, particularly 1776-1837., non member children who had some claim to be under the care of Friends, are entered in the registers distinguished by NM. In general, this tended to be where one parent only was in membership: in some cases however NM was entered where neither parent appears to be in membership - perhaps because oner parent had been disowned for marriage, before the priest to a non-friend" My interpretation is that it is highly unlikely that a child who is baptized - as in this instance in a parish church in Thorpe - would be related to a Quaker - at the time of the birth. There are of course adult baptisms, so it is possible that the above person was originally a Quaker, but then decided to leave the Quakers, and become a member of the Church of England, Methodist etc Richard * I think that this was a common practice as I found most of the births of my Quaker ancestors in the 18th century recorded in the IGI "registers" - needless to say there was no mention of baptism -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of David Marriott Sent: 22 December 2007 17:24 To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: [WRY] Quakers It should be said that although Quakers did / do not baptise their children, they are usually quite flexible about such things. Later marriage in an Anglican church would not necessarily mean that the person was not a Quaker, but just that they may have married an Anglican. David Delta BC ----- Original Message ----- From: <west-riding-request@rootsweb.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 9:17 AM Subject: WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 2, Issue 402 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Quakers in Yorkshire (Top Ender) > 2. Re: SAYLES/SALES (Stephen Sayles) > 3. Re: SAYLES/SALES (Stephen Sayles) > 4. Re: Quakers in Yorkshire (Elaine Pickard) > 5. Re: Quakers in Yorkshire (Arthur & Pauline Kennedy) > 6. Re: Quakers in Yorkshire (Gordon Dyson) > 7. Re: Quakers in Yorkshire (richard ellis) > 8. FW: RE: Quakers in Yorkshire (Gordon Dyson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:01:48 +0930 > From: "Top Ender" <topender@aapt.net.au> > Subject: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <002201c8448e$441daf20$0201010a@ACERCOMP> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello Listers > > If sks could please tell me where to look for a Quaker Birth Index? > > The IGI only has different guesses that people have submitted but no > actual Batch No's or Source Call No's. > Edward Casson ROWNTREE b. 1811 Thorne Yorkshire my Gt Gt Grandfather > > The only question I can think to ask if there is an Index for the Quakers > Are they held in Yorkshire or in London? > > I am looking for a copy of the birth date register as well as the full > reference. > I am not familiar with Quaker records but do have knowledge of Parish > records that can be accessed through the LDS. > > Thanking you in Advance > Barbara from the Top End of Australia > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 14:14:14 -0000 > From: "Stephen Sayles" <Stephen.Sayles@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000a01c844a4$ef459820$e3038351@mc75u> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Geoff, > > Very many thanks for the useful info. Christmas just may have come early!! > > Kind regards, > Steve. >>From a rather mild New Forest in Hampshire > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geoff Watson" <geoffwatsone@hotmail.com> > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 5:50 PM > Subject: Re: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES > > >> >> Stephen >> >> Apologies for the typo - the marriage IGI should be M106791!!!! and I >> note > from Google that Marr and Hampole are less than five miles apart....... >> >> Similarly multimap has Ardwick Le Street only 2 miles from Bentley, > Doncaster; but the Monk Fryston and Barwick in Elmet links for Mary seem a > bit off centre. Heigh ho..... >> >> Go for it with Thomas though!!!!!! and keep looking for Mary HEMSWORTH! >> >> Regards >> >> Geoff >> >> > From: geoffwatsone@hotmail.com> To: west-riding@rootsweb.com> Date: >> > Fri, > 21 Dec 2007 17:06:21 +0000> Subject: Re: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES> > > Stephen> > > > Merry Christmas!> > The baptisms of a Jane, William, Mary and George SALE > appear to be on IGI batch C106791 all in Marr Parish Church; and there is > a > possible marriage between Thomas and Sarah HEMSWORTH on M107791 in the > same > Church - seems a pretty fair bet to an amateur like me, that they are the > same family, but other contributors might differ?> > There are 20 IGI's > for > Thomas Sale b1794-1798 in Yorkshire, but one born to William SALE and Mary > MARSDEN (unfortunately a Member Submitted Item) but bearing in mind your > info, with a specific date of 27 March 1796 in Ardwick Le Street, > Doncaster > seems worthy of more investigation; but there are only three IGI's (two > people) for Sarah HEMSWORTH b1795-1799 in Yorkshire - more investigation > needed on these methinks, on the proximity of Monk Fryston or Barwick in > Elmet to the 1851 Ce! >> nsus info of Bentley...... regret that I don't know the area well >> enough. > Google might help....... > > Good luck!> > Geoff in a very wet Sevilla> > > > > From: Stephen.Sayles@btinternet.com> To: west-riding@rootsweb.com> Date: > Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:31:29 +0000> Subject: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES> > Hi Folks,> > > > Can someone please help and make my Christmas?!!> > In the 1851 census, I > have a Thomas SAYLES b. 1796 in Hampole, m. to a Sarah b. 1797 in Bentley > Doncaster, with a daughter Jane GARBENS? b.1824 in Marr, Cristeford > GARBENS?? son-in law b. 1822 in Darfield; William GARBENS? grandson, b. > 1850 > in Pigburn; Mary Ann SAYLES, daughter b. 1828 in Marr; Harriet SAYLES, > daughter b. 1842 in Pigburn; Sarah SAYLES, granddaughter b. 1849 in > Pigburn.> > In the 1841 census, the name is Thomas SALES b. 1796; Sarah > SALES b. 1797; Mary SALES b. 1828; George SALES b. 1830; Joseph SALES > b.1832; Thomas SALES b. 1837; and Harriet SALES b. 1841.> > I am assuming > that they are the same family and the sp! >> elling change is because they are illiterate.> > I'm not sure how I ca >> n confirm if they are the same family.> > If someone has access to either > the H!> ampole PRs or possibly the Adwick-le- Street PRs could they please > check the marriage of Thomas and Sarah and supply Sarah's maiden name and > also any predecessors of both?> > This would really make my Christmas!! > > > > Thanking you in anticipation and wishing all on the List a very MERRY > Christmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year.> > Steve.> >> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please >> send > an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> >> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please >> send > an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 14:17:32 -0000 > From: "Stephen Sayles" <Stephen.Sayles@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001501c844a5$65319520$e3038351@mc75u> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Mary Lou, > > Very many thanks for the info, which seems to confirm that of Geoff > Watson. > The brickwall may be coming down in time for Christmas!! > > Kind regards, > Steve. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Mlou1173@aol.com> > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 12:06 AM > Subject: Re: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES > > >> Hi Steve......how does this look? >> >> THOMAS SALE >> Baptised March 27, 1796 >> Ardwick le Street, Doncaster >> Parents: William Sale & Mary Marsden >> >> December 24, 1821 >> THOMAS SALE & SARAH HEWSWORTH >> Marr, Yorkshire >> >> mary lou >> >> >> >> **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes >> (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 09:49:07 -0500 > From: "Elaine Pickard" <trayford@rogers.com> > Subject: Re: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <00a101c844a9$ce976810$6400a8c0@your7tpd92bdqq> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Barbara, > > Civil Registration started in England July 1st 1837. So therefore NO birth > certificates prior to that. > > You will have to trace Edward via the baptismal records for this family > exactly as you did with the Church of England records that you are > familiar > with. (LDS). > > If you check with GENUKI for Yorkshire and then "Where is it" for Thorn it > should tell you where the registers were deposited. > > Good luck. > > Elaine in Ottawa. > Sheffield Indexers Site Admin. > http://sheff-indexers.thewholeshebang.org > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Top Ender" <topender@aapt.net.au> > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Sent: December 22, 2007 6:31 AM > Subject: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > > >> Hello Listers >> >> If sks could please tell me where to look for a Quaker Birth Index? >> >> The IGI only has different guesses that people have submitted but no >> actual Batch No's or Source Call No's. >> Edward Casson ROWNTREE b. 1811 Thorne Yorkshire my Gt Gt Grandfather >> >> The only question I can think to ask if there is an Index for the Quakers >> Are they held in Yorkshire or in London? >> >> I am looking for a copy of the birth date register as well as the full >> reference. >> I am not familiar with Quaker records but do have knowledge of Parish >> records that can be accessed through the LDS. >> >> Thanking you in Advance >> Barbara from the Top End of Australia >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: >> 12/21/2007 1:17 PM >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:05:24 -0000 > From: "Arthur & Pauline Kennedy" <akpak@waitrose.com> > Subject: Re: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > To: <WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com>, <topender@aapt.net.au> > Message-ID: <007201c844ac$2d0cb3d0$8e10bd50@SN030718020010> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Barbara > > I'm not an expert on Quakers but I've come across the following websites, > which I kept details of in case I should ever need them: > > Leeds University Library - Special Collections: Quaker Archives Database > http://www.leeds.ac.uk/library/spcoll/quaker/quakint1.htm > > Yorkshire Quaker Heritage Project > http://www.learndev.hull.ac.uk/quaker/ > > You might find what you're looking for there; there's also a Quaker FHS > which might be able to help you. On the whole Quakers were quite good at > keeping records, so somewhere you may be in luck. > > Incidentally, I believe the chocolate-making Rowntrees were a Quaker > family, > so there may be some well-documented connections waiting for you. > > Arthur > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Top Ender" <topender@aapt.net.au> > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 11:31 AM > Subject: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > > >> Hello Listers >> >> If sks could please tell me where to look for a Quaker Birth Index? >> >> The IGI only has different guesses that people have submitted but no >> actual Batch No's or Source Call No's. >> Edward Casson ROWNTREE b. 1811 Thorne Yorkshire my Gt Gt Grandfather > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:14:05 +0100 (CET) > From: Gordon Dyson <geedee@fsmail.net> > Subject: Re: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <25091743.841431198340045663.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > 'ello, Barbara, > My IGI has an Edward Casson ROWNTREE, bapt. 27 Jun 1811 at Thorne, son of > Robert ROWNTREE and Eliza CASSON, Batch No 186009, serial sheet 37. > They may be Quakers, but to me, "Thorne", means Thorne Parish Church. ?? > If they are Quakers, you could try the Quaker Family History Society, > www.qfhs.co.uk They are indexing some Digests, but I don't know how far > they have got. > Quaker B.M.D.'s are known as "Digests" and are are the Friends Meeting > House Library, next to Euston Station, in London. (Can't find my file for > this at the moment) but there are also some in the "Special Collections" > at the Brotherton Library, University of Leeds, and some at University of > Hull, Quaker Project. > Regards, Gordon. > > > > > > > > ======================================== > Message Received: Dec 22 2007, 11:39 AM > From: "Top Ender" > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Subject: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > > Hello Listers > > If sks could please tell me where to look for a Quaker Birth Index? > > The IGI only has different guesses that people have submitted but no > actual Batch No's or Source Call No's. > Edward Casson ROWNTREE b. 1811 Thorne Yorkshire my Gt Gt Grandfather > > The only question I can think to ask if there is an Index for the Quakers > Are they held in Yorkshire or in London? > > I am looking for a copy of the birth date register as well as the full > reference. > I am not familiar with Quaker records but do have knowledge of Parish > records that can be accessed through the LDS. > > Thanking you in Advance > Barbara from the Top End of Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:34:52 -0000 > From: "richard ellis" <richard@ellisresearch.demon.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <ODEBKLCKOKJEDHGOGCFNCELNFAAA.richard@ellisresearch.demon.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Barbara > > I think you'll find the Quaker birth indices for > Yorkshire at the Brotherton archives in Leeds* as suggested > by Arthur, as well as Quaker House in London*, where copies > of the full registers are kept - mostly microfiche or film. > > For your information, Quakers did not have their children > baptised - however the births were recorded at the "monthly" > meetings at the local Friends meeting place of which there are > many in Yorkshire. > > If Gordon Dyson is correct about Thorne parish church and > the baptism, then your Rowntree is certainly not a Quaker. > > Rowntrees are very famous Quakers in Yorkshire - associated with > chocolate and confectionery in York. > > I have a Rowntree Quaker "connection" in my family ancestors, > a Maria Rowntree married in Scarborough in 1868. > > If your Edward Casson Rowntree later marries in a church or chapel > then it is probably more proof, that he was not a Quaker. > > Richard in Surrey > > * You'll find contact email addresses etc via google > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Top Ender > Sent: 22 December 2007 11:32 > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > > > Hello Listers > > If sks could please tell me where to look for a Quaker Birth Index? > > The IGI only has different guesses that people have submitted but no > actual > Batch No's or Source Call No's. > Edward Casson ROWNTREE b. 1811 Thorne Yorkshire my Gt Gt Grandfather > > The only question I can think to ask if there is an Index for the Quakers > Are they held in Yorkshire or in London? > > I am looking for a copy of the birth date register as well as the full > reference. > I am not familiar with Quaker records but do have knowledge of Parish > records that can be accessed through the LDS. > > Thanking you in Advance > Barbara from the Top End of Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:16:31 +0100 (CET) > From: Gordon Dyson <geedee@fsmail.net> > Subject: [WRY] FW: RE: Quakers in Yorkshire > To: WEST-RIDING <WEST-RIDING-L@Rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <23025047.728881198343791147.JavaMail.www@wwinf3203> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Sorry, Batch No. should be ... 1860009..... > Gordon > > ======================================== > Message Received: Dec 22 2007, 04:14 PM > From: "Gordon Dyson" > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Subject: RE: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > > > 'ello, Barbara, > My IGI has an Edward Casson ROWNTREE, bapt. 27 Jun 1811 at Thorne, son of > Robert ROWNTREE and Eliza CASSON, Batch No 186009, serial sheet 37. > They may be Quakers, but to me, "Thorne", means Thorne Parish Church. ?? > If they are Quakers, you could try the Quaker Family History Society, > www.qfhs.co.uk They are indexing some Digests, but I don't know how far > they have got. > Quaker B.M.D.'s are known as "Digests" and are are the Friends Meeting > House Library, next to Euston Station, in London. (Can't find my file for > this at the moment) but there are also some in the "Special Collections" > at the Brotherton Library, University of Leeds, and some at University of > Hull, Quaker Project. > Regards, Gordon. > ======================================== > Message Received: Dec 22 2007, 11:39 AM > From: "Top Ender" > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Subject: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > > Hello Listers > > If sks could please tell me where to look for a Quaker Birth Index? > > The IGI only has different guesses that people have submitted but no > actual Batch No's or Source Call No's. > Edward Casson ROWNTREE b. 1811 Thorne Yorkshire my Gt Gt Grandfather > > The only question I can think to ask if there is an Index for the Quakers > Are they held in Yorkshire or in London? > > I am looking for a copy of the birth date register as well as the full > reference. > I am not familiar with Quaker records but do have knowledge of Parish > records that can be accessed through the LDS. > > Thanking you in Advance > Barbara from the Top End of Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the WEST-RIDING list administrator, send an email to > WEST-RIDING-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the WEST-RIDING mailing list, send an email to > WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 2, Issue 402 > ******************************************* > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: > 21/12/2007 1:17 PM > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry, Batch No. should be ... 1860009..... Gordon ======================================== Message Received: Dec 22 2007, 04:14 PM From: "Gordon Dyson" To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: RE: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire 'ello, Barbara, My IGI has an Edward Casson ROWNTREE, bapt. 27 Jun 1811 at Thorne, son of Robert ROWNTREE and Eliza CASSON, Batch No 186009, serial sheet 37. They may be Quakers, but to me, "Thorne", means Thorne Parish Church. ?? If they are Quakers, you could try the Quaker Family History Society, www.qfhs.co.uk They are indexing some Digests, but I don't know how far they have got. Quaker B.M.D.'s are known as "Digests" and are are the Friends Meeting House Library, next to Euston Station, in London. (Can't find my file for this at the moment) but there are also some in the "Special Collections" at the Brotherton Library, University of Leeds, and some at University of Hull, Quaker Project. Regards, Gordon. ======================================== Message Received: Dec 22 2007, 11:39 AM From: "Top Ender" To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire Hello Listers If sks could please tell me where to look for a Quaker Birth Index? The IGI only has different guesses that people have submitted but no actual Batch No's or Source Call No's. Edward Casson ROWNTREE b. 1811 Thorne Yorkshire my Gt Gt Grandfather The only question I can think to ask if there is an Index for the Quakers Are they held in Yorkshire or in London? I am looking for a copy of the birth date register as well as the full reference. I am not familiar with Quaker records but do have knowledge of Parish records that can be accessed through the LDS. Thanking you in Advance Barbara from the Top End of Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have read the responses to the Quakers with interest. Living in Australia, I imagine that you don't have much access to records in England. You may find that the actual Monthly Meeting records that you are looking for are filmed by LDS. I have English Quakers myself and have researched those MM records from Salt Lake and from my local FHC. My Quakers migrated in the 1670s to America but I have found all of them in the English MM records prior to that time. Mine are from Derbyshire and YKS and from these Quaker records, I was able to get them back to the beginning of the parish registers before they were Quakers. Those MM records are wonderful as they can tell you a lot about the society they lived in and about the individuals as well. For example, one of mine was thrown out for drinking and mistreating his family. I have also read with interest the discussions of slavery and the decision that Quakers could no longer own slaves and how that issue was treated in the meetings. Fascinating stuff! The records are found in the meeting, not in the town where they lived unless they are the same. There are lists of the meetings online. As I lost my hard drive in the spring with all of my favorites, I cannot easily locate this. But Google should work. Some of these MM minutes are indexed as well. The searchable databases look great but once you find someone, it is well worth going into the original records (or transcripts if that is all you can get). The Quaker birth and marriage records are not on the IGI for some reason and Quakers and Jews are the 2 groups exempt from needing to be married in the C of E prior to 1837. If you want to pursue this, contact me off the list. It has been a few years since I worked on this so I will need to dredge the memory. Janet Sugden Thomas Stamford, CT

'ello, Barbara, My IGI has an Edward Casson ROWNTREE, bapt. 27 Jun 1811 at Thorne, son of Robert ROWNTREE and Eliza CASSON, Batch No 186009, serial sheet 37. They may be Quakers, but to me, "Thorne", means Thorne Parish Church. ?? If they are Quakers, you could try the Quaker Family History Society, www.qfhs.co.uk They are indexing some Digests, but I don't know how far they have got. Quaker B.M.D.'s are known as "Digests" and are are the Friends Meeting House Library, next to Euston Station, in London. (Can't find my file for this at the moment) but there are also some in the "Special Collections" at the Brotherton Library, University of Leeds, and some at University of Hull, Quaker Project. Regards, Gordon. ======================================== Message Received: Dec 22 2007, 11:39 AM From: "Top Ender" To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire Hello Listers If sks could please tell me where to look for a Quaker Birth Index? The IGI only has different guesses that people have submitted but no actual Batch No's or Source Call No's. Edward Casson ROWNTREE b. 1811 Thorne Yorkshire my Gt Gt Grandfather The only question I can think to ask if there is an Index for the Quakers Are they held in Yorkshire or in London? I am looking for a copy of the birth date register as well as the full reference. I am not familiar with Quaker records but do have knowledge of Parish records that can be accessed through the LDS. Thanking you in Advance Barbara from the Top End of Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You will have to trace Edward via the baptismal records for this family exactly as you did with the Church of England records that you are familiar with. (LDS). Except that, and I may be wrong, but I don't believe Quakers practiced baptism. I believe that a new birth was just registered at the next meeting. mary lou **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Hi Barbara I think you'll find the Quaker birth indices for Yorkshire at the Brotherton archives in Leeds* as suggested by Arthur, as well as Quaker House in London*, where copies of the full registers are kept - mostly microfiche or film. For your information, Quakers did not have their children baptised - however the births were recorded at the "monthly" meetings at the local Friends meeting place of which there are many in Yorkshire. If Gordon Dyson is correct about Thorne parish church and the baptism, then your Rowntree is certainly not a Quaker. Rowntrees are very famous Quakers in Yorkshire - associated with chocolate and confectionery in York. I have a Rowntree Quaker "connection" in my family ancestors, a Maria Rowntree married in Scarborough in 1868. If your Edward Casson Rowntree later marries in a church or chapel then it is probably more proof, that he was not a Quaker. Richard in Surrey * You'll find contact email addresses etc via google -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Top Ender Sent: 22 December 2007 11:32 To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire Hello Listers If sks could please tell me where to look for a Quaker Birth Index? The IGI only has different guesses that people have submitted but no actual Batch No's or Source Call No's. Edward Casson ROWNTREE b. 1811 Thorne Yorkshire my Gt Gt Grandfather The only question I can think to ask if there is an Index for the Quakers Are they held in Yorkshire or in London? I am looking for a copy of the birth date register as well as the full reference. I am not familiar with Quaker records but do have knowledge of Parish records that can be accessed through the LDS. Thanking you in Advance Barbara from the Top End of Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Barbara........Thorne is covered by the Doncaster FHS and I see from their site that a Quaker Meeting House was built there in 1750. I would suggest you contact them as to the whereabouts of the records: _http://www.doncasterfhs.co.uk/_ (http://www.doncasterfhs.co.uk/) Best wishes.....mary lou **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Hi Barbara I'm not an expert on Quakers but I've come across the following websites, which I kept details of in case I should ever need them: Leeds University Library - Special Collections: Quaker Archives Database http://www.leeds.ac.uk/library/spcoll/quaker/quakint1.htm Yorkshire Quaker Heritage Project http://www.learndev.hull.ac.uk/quaker/ You might find what you're looking for there; there's also a Quaker FHS which might be able to help you. On the whole Quakers were quite good at keeping records, so somewhere you may be in luck. Incidentally, I believe the chocolate-making Rowntrees were a Quaker family, so there may be some well-documented connections waiting for you. Arthur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Top Ender" <topender@aapt.net.au> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 11:31 AM Subject: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > Hello Listers > > If sks could please tell me where to look for a Quaker Birth Index? > > The IGI only has different guesses that people have submitted but no > actual Batch No's or Source Call No's. > Edward Casson ROWNTREE b. 1811 Thorne Yorkshire my Gt Gt Grandfather

Hi Mary Lou, Very many thanks for the info, which seems to confirm that of Geoff Watson. The brickwall may be coming down in time for Christmas!! Kind regards, Steve. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mlou1173@aol.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES > Hi Steve......how does this look? > > THOMAS SALE > Baptised March 27, 1796 > Ardwick le Street, Doncaster > Parents: William Sale & Mary Marsden > > December 24, 1821 > THOMAS SALE & SARAH HEWSWORTH > Marr, Yorkshire > > mary lou > > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Geoff, Very many thanks for the useful info. Christmas just may have come early!! Kind regards, Steve. >From a rather mild New Forest in Hampshire ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Watson" <geoffwatsone@hotmail.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES > > Stephen > > Apologies for the typo - the marriage IGI should be M106791!!!! and I note from Google that Marr and Hampole are less than five miles apart....... > > Similarly multimap has Ardwick Le Street only 2 miles from Bentley, Doncaster; but the Monk Fryston and Barwick in Elmet links for Mary seem a bit off centre. Heigh ho..... > > Go for it with Thomas though!!!!!! and keep looking for Mary HEMSWORTH! > > Regards > > Geoff > > > From: geoffwatsone@hotmail.com> To: west-riding@rootsweb.com> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:06:21 +0000> Subject: Re: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES> > > Stephen> > Merry Christmas!> > The baptisms of a Jane, William, Mary and George SALE appear to be on IGI batch C106791 all in Marr Parish Church; and there is a possible marriage between Thomas and Sarah HEMSWORTH on M107791 in the same Church - seems a pretty fair bet to an amateur like me, that they are the same family, but other contributors might differ?> > There are 20 IGI's for Thomas Sale b1794-1798 in Yorkshire, but one born to William SALE and Mary MARSDEN (unfortunately a Member Submitted Item) but bearing in mind your info, with a specific date of 27 March 1796 in Ardwick Le Street, Doncaster seems worthy of more investigation; but there are only three IGI's (two people) for Sarah HEMSWORTH b1795-1799 in Yorkshire - more investigation needed on these methinks, on the proximity of Monk Fryston or Barwick in Elmet to the 1851 Ce! > nsus info of Bentley...... regret that I don't know the area well enough. Google might help....... > > Good luck!> > Geoff in a very wet Sevilla> > > From: Stephen.Sayles@btinternet.com> To: west-riding@rootsweb.com> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:31:29 +0000> Subject: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES> > Hi Folks,> > Can someone please help and make my Christmas?!!> > In the 1851 census, I have a Thomas SAYLES b. 1796 in Hampole, m. to a Sarah b. 1797 in Bentley Doncaster, with a daughter Jane GARBENS? b.1824 in Marr, Cristeford GARBENS?? son-in law b. 1822 in Darfield; William GARBENS? grandson, b. 1850 in Pigburn; Mary Ann SAYLES, daughter b. 1828 in Marr; Harriet SAYLES, daughter b. 1842 in Pigburn; Sarah SAYLES, granddaughter b. 1849 in Pigburn.> > In the 1841 census, the name is Thomas SALES b. 1796; Sarah SALES b. 1797; Mary SALES b. 1828; George SALES b. 1830; Joseph SALES b.1832; Thomas SALES b. 1837; and Harriet SALES b. 1841.> > I am assuming that they are the same family and the sp! > elling change is because they are illiterate.> > I'm not sure how I ca > n confirm if they are the same family.> > If someone has access to either the H!> ampole PRs or possibly the Adwick-le- Street PRs could they please check the marriage of Thomas and Sarah and supply Sarah's maiden name and also any predecessors of both?> > This would really make my Christmas!! > > Thanking you in anticipation and wishing all on the List a very MERRY Christmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year.> > Steve.> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Barbara, Civil Registration started in England July 1st 1837. So therefore NO birth certificates prior to that. You will have to trace Edward via the baptismal records for this family exactly as you did with the Church of England records that you are familiar with. (LDS). If you check with GENUKI for Yorkshire and then "Where is it" for Thorn it should tell you where the registers were deposited. Good luck. Elaine in Ottawa. Sheffield Indexers Site Admin. http://sheff-indexers.thewholeshebang.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Top Ender" <topender@aapt.net.au> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: December 22, 2007 6:31 AM Subject: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > Hello Listers > > If sks could please tell me where to look for a Quaker Birth Index? > > The IGI only has different guesses that people have submitted but no > actual Batch No's or Source Call No's. > Edward Casson ROWNTREE b. 1811 Thorne Yorkshire my Gt Gt Grandfather > > The only question I can think to ask if there is an Index for the Quakers > Are they held in Yorkshire or in London? > > I am looking for a copy of the birth date register as well as the full > reference. > I am not familiar with Quaker records but do have knowledge of Parish > records that can be accessed through the LDS. > > Thanking you in Advance > Barbara from the Top End of Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: > 12/21/2007 1:17 PM > >

It should be said that although Quakers did / do not baptise their children, they are usually quite flexible about such things. Later marriage in an Anglican church would not necessarily mean that the person was not a Quaker, but just that they may have married an Anglican. David Delta BC ----- Original Message ----- From: <west-riding-request@rootsweb.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 9:17 AM Subject: WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 2, Issue 402 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Quakers in Yorkshire (Top Ender) > 2. Re: SAYLES/SALES (Stephen Sayles) > 3. Re: SAYLES/SALES (Stephen Sayles) > 4. Re: Quakers in Yorkshire (Elaine Pickard) > 5. Re: Quakers in Yorkshire (Arthur & Pauline Kennedy) > 6. Re: Quakers in Yorkshire (Gordon Dyson) > 7. Re: Quakers in Yorkshire (richard ellis) > 8. FW: RE: Quakers in Yorkshire (Gordon Dyson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:01:48 +0930 > From: "Top Ender" <topender@aapt.net.au> > Subject: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <002201c8448e$441daf20$0201010a@ACERCOMP> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello Listers > > If sks could please tell me where to look for a Quaker Birth Index? > > The IGI only has different guesses that people have submitted but no > actual Batch No's or Source Call No's. > Edward Casson ROWNTREE b. 1811 Thorne Yorkshire my Gt Gt Grandfather > > The only question I can think to ask if there is an Index for the Quakers > Are they held in Yorkshire or in London? > > I am looking for a copy of the birth date register as well as the full > reference. > I am not familiar with Quaker records but do have knowledge of Parish > records that can be accessed through the LDS. > > Thanking you in Advance > Barbara from the Top End of Australia > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 14:14:14 -0000 > From: "Stephen Sayles" <Stephen.Sayles@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000a01c844a4$ef459820$e3038351@mc75u> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Geoff, > > Very many thanks for the useful info. Christmas just may have come early!! > > Kind regards, > Steve. >>From a rather mild New Forest in Hampshire > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geoff Watson" <geoffwatsone@hotmail.com> > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 5:50 PM > Subject: Re: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES > > >> >> Stephen >> >> Apologies for the typo - the marriage IGI should be M106791!!!! and I >> note > from Google that Marr and Hampole are less than five miles apart....... >> >> Similarly multimap has Ardwick Le Street only 2 miles from Bentley, > Doncaster; but the Monk Fryston and Barwick in Elmet links for Mary seem a > bit off centre. Heigh ho..... >> >> Go for it with Thomas though!!!!!! and keep looking for Mary HEMSWORTH! >> >> Regards >> >> Geoff >> >> > From: geoffwatsone@hotmail.com> To: west-riding@rootsweb.com> Date: >> > Fri, > 21 Dec 2007 17:06:21 +0000> Subject: Re: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES> > > Stephen> > > > Merry Christmas!> > The baptisms of a Jane, William, Mary and George SALE > appear to be on IGI batch C106791 all in Marr Parish Church; and there is > a > possible marriage between Thomas and Sarah HEMSWORTH on M107791 in the > same > Church - seems a pretty fair bet to an amateur like me, that they are the > same family, but other contributors might differ?> > There are 20 IGI's > for > Thomas Sale b1794-1798 in Yorkshire, but one born to William SALE and Mary > MARSDEN (unfortunately a Member Submitted Item) but bearing in mind your > info, with a specific date of 27 March 1796 in Ardwick Le Street, > Doncaster > seems worthy of more investigation; but there are only three IGI's (two > people) for Sarah HEMSWORTH b1795-1799 in Yorkshire - more investigation > needed on these methinks, on the proximity of Monk Fryston or Barwick in > Elmet to the 1851 Ce! >> nsus info of Bentley...... regret that I don't know the area well >> enough. > Google might help....... > > Good luck!> > Geoff in a very wet Sevilla> > > > > From: Stephen.Sayles@btinternet.com> To: west-riding@rootsweb.com> Date: > Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:31:29 +0000> Subject: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES> > Hi Folks,> > > > Can someone please help and make my Christmas?!!> > In the 1851 census, I > have a Thomas SAYLES b. 1796 in Hampole, m. to a Sarah b. 1797 in Bentley > Doncaster, with a daughter Jane GARBENS? b.1824 in Marr, Cristeford > GARBENS?? son-in law b. 1822 in Darfield; William GARBENS? grandson, b. > 1850 > in Pigburn; Mary Ann SAYLES, daughter b. 1828 in Marr; Harriet SAYLES, > daughter b. 1842 in Pigburn; Sarah SAYLES, granddaughter b. 1849 in > Pigburn.> > In the 1841 census, the name is Thomas SALES b. 1796; Sarah > SALES b. 1797; Mary SALES b. 1828; George SALES b. 1830; Joseph SALES > b.1832; Thomas SALES b. 1837; and Harriet SALES b. 1841.> > I am assuming > that they are the same family and the sp! >> elling change is because they are illiterate.> > I'm not sure how I ca >> n confirm if they are the same family.> > If someone has access to either > the H!> ampole PRs or possibly the Adwick-le- Street PRs could they please > check the marriage of Thomas and Sarah and supply Sarah's maiden name and > also any predecessors of both?> > This would really make my Christmas!! > > > > Thanking you in anticipation and wishing all on the List a very MERRY > Christmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year.> > Steve.> >> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please >> send > an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> >> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please >> send > an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 14:17:32 -0000 > From: "Stephen Sayles" <Stephen.Sayles@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001501c844a5$65319520$e3038351@mc75u> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Mary Lou, > > Very many thanks for the info, which seems to confirm that of Geoff > Watson. > The brickwall may be coming down in time for Christmas!! > > Kind regards, > Steve. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Mlou1173@aol.com> > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 12:06 AM > Subject: Re: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES > > >> Hi Steve......how does this look? >> >> THOMAS SALE >> Baptised March 27, 1796 >> Ardwick le Street, Doncaster >> Parents: William Sale & Mary Marsden >> >> December 24, 1821 >> THOMAS SALE & SARAH HEWSWORTH >> Marr, Yorkshire >> >> mary lou >> >> >> >> **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes >> (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 09:49:07 -0500 > From: "Elaine Pickard" <trayford@rogers.com> > Subject: Re: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <00a101c844a9$ce976810$6400a8c0@your7tpd92bdqq> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Barbara, > > Civil Registration started in England July 1st 1837. So therefore NO birth > certificates prior to that. > > You will have to trace Edward via the baptismal records for this family > exactly as you did with the Church of England records that you are > familiar > with. (LDS). > > If you check with GENUKI for Yorkshire and then "Where is it" for Thorn it > should tell you where the registers were deposited. > > Good luck. > > Elaine in Ottawa. > Sheffield Indexers Site Admin. > http://sheff-indexers.thewholeshebang.org > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Top Ender" <topender@aapt.net.au> > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Sent: December 22, 2007 6:31 AM > Subject: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > > >> Hello Listers >> >> If sks could please tell me where to look for a Quaker Birth Index? >> >> The IGI only has different guesses that people have submitted but no >> actual Batch No's or Source Call No's. >> Edward Casson ROWNTREE b. 1811 Thorne Yorkshire my Gt Gt Grandfather >> >> The only question I can think to ask if there is an Index for the Quakers >> Are they held in Yorkshire or in London? >> >> I am looking for a copy of the birth date register as well as the full >> reference. >> I am not familiar with Quaker records but do have knowledge of Parish >> records that can be accessed through the LDS. >> >> Thanking you in Advance >> Barbara from the Top End of Australia >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: >> 12/21/2007 1:17 PM >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:05:24 -0000 > From: "Arthur & Pauline Kennedy" <akpak@waitrose.com> > Subject: Re: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > To: <WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com>, <topender@aapt.net.au> > Message-ID: <007201c844ac$2d0cb3d0$8e10bd50@SN030718020010> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Barbara > > I'm not an expert on Quakers but I've come across the following websites, > which I kept details of in case I should ever need them: > > Leeds University Library - Special Collections: Quaker Archives Database > http://www.leeds.ac.uk/library/spcoll/quaker/quakint1.htm > > Yorkshire Quaker Heritage Project > http://www.learndev.hull.ac.uk/quaker/ > > You might find what you're looking for there; there's also a Quaker FHS > which might be able to help you. On the whole Quakers were quite good at > keeping records, so somewhere you may be in luck. > > Incidentally, I believe the chocolate-making Rowntrees were a Quaker > family, > so there may be some well-documented connections waiting for you. > > Arthur > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Top Ender" <topender@aapt.net.au> > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 11:31 AM > Subject: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > > >> Hello Listers >> >> If sks could please tell me where to look for a Quaker Birth Index? >> >> The IGI only has different guesses that people have submitted but no >> actual Batch No's or Source Call No's. >> Edward Casson ROWNTREE b. 1811 Thorne Yorkshire my Gt Gt Grandfather > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:14:05 +0100 (CET) > From: Gordon Dyson <geedee@fsmail.net> > Subject: Re: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <25091743.841431198340045663.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > 'ello, Barbara, > My IGI has an Edward Casson ROWNTREE, bapt. 27 Jun 1811 at Thorne, son of > Robert ROWNTREE and Eliza CASSON, Batch No 186009, serial sheet 37. > They may be Quakers, but to me, "Thorne", means Thorne Parish Church. ?? > If they are Quakers, you could try the Quaker Family History Society, > www.qfhs.co.uk They are indexing some Digests, but I don't know how far > they have got. > Quaker B.M.D.'s are known as "Digests" and are are the Friends Meeting > House Library, next to Euston Station, in London. (Can't find my file for > this at the moment) but there are also some in the "Special Collections" > at the Brotherton Library, University of Leeds, and some at University of > Hull, Quaker Project. > Regards, Gordon. > > > > > > > > ======================================== > Message Received: Dec 22 2007, 11:39 AM > From: "Top Ender" > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Subject: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > > Hello Listers > > If sks could please tell me where to look for a Quaker Birth Index? > > The IGI only has different guesses that people have submitted but no > actual Batch No's or Source Call No's. > Edward Casson ROWNTREE b. 1811 Thorne Yorkshire my Gt Gt Grandfather > > The only question I can think to ask if there is an Index for the Quakers > Are they held in Yorkshire or in London? > > I am looking for a copy of the birth date register as well as the full > reference. > I am not familiar with Quaker records but do have knowledge of Parish > records that can be accessed through the LDS. > > Thanking you in Advance > Barbara from the Top End of Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:34:52 -0000 > From: "richard ellis" <richard@ellisresearch.demon.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <ODEBKLCKOKJEDHGOGCFNCELNFAAA.richard@ellisresearch.demon.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Barbara > > I think you'll find the Quaker birth indices for > Yorkshire at the Brotherton archives in Leeds* as suggested > by Arthur, as well as Quaker House in London*, where copies > of the full registers are kept - mostly microfiche or film. > > For your information, Quakers did not have their children > baptised - however the births were recorded at the "monthly" > meetings at the local Friends meeting place of which there are > many in Yorkshire. > > If Gordon Dyson is correct about Thorne parish church and > the baptism, then your Rowntree is certainly not a Quaker. > > Rowntrees are very famous Quakers in Yorkshire - associated with > chocolate and confectionery in York. > > I have a Rowntree Quaker "connection" in my family ancestors, > a Maria Rowntree married in Scarborough in 1868. > > If your Edward Casson Rowntree later marries in a church or chapel > then it is probably more proof, that he was not a Quaker. > > Richard in Surrey > > * You'll find contact email addresses etc via google > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Top Ender > Sent: 22 December 2007 11:32 > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > > > Hello Listers > > If sks could please tell me where to look for a Quaker Birth Index? > > The IGI only has different guesses that people have submitted but no > actual > Batch No's or Source Call No's. > Edward Casson ROWNTREE b. 1811 Thorne Yorkshire my Gt Gt Grandfather > > The only question I can think to ask if there is an Index for the Quakers > Are they held in Yorkshire or in London? > > I am looking for a copy of the birth date register as well as the full > reference. > I am not familiar with Quaker records but do have knowledge of Parish > records that can be accessed through the LDS. > > Thanking you in Advance > Barbara from the Top End of Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:16:31 +0100 (CET) > From: Gordon Dyson <geedee@fsmail.net> > Subject: [WRY] FW: RE: Quakers in Yorkshire > To: WEST-RIDING <WEST-RIDING-L@Rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <23025047.728881198343791147.JavaMail.www@wwinf3203> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Sorry, Batch No. should be ... 1860009..... > Gordon > > ======================================== > Message Received: Dec 22 2007, 04:14 PM > From: "Gordon Dyson" > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Subject: RE: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > > > 'ello, Barbara, > My IGI has an Edward Casson ROWNTREE, bapt. 27 Jun 1811 at Thorne, son of > Robert ROWNTREE and Eliza CASSON, Batch No 186009, serial sheet 37. > They may be Quakers, but to me, "Thorne", means Thorne Parish Church. ?? > If they are Quakers, you could try the Quaker Family History Society, > www.qfhs.co.uk They are indexing some Digests, but I don't know how far > they have got. > Quaker B.M.D.'s are known as "Digests" and are are the Friends Meeting > House Library, next to Euston Station, in London. (Can't find my file for > this at the moment) but there are also some in the "Special Collections" > at the Brotherton Library, University of Leeds, and some at University of > Hull, Quaker Project. > Regards, Gordon. > ======================================== > Message Received: Dec 22 2007, 11:39 AM > From: "Top Ender" > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Subject: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > > Hello Listers > > If sks could please tell me where to look for a Quaker Birth Index? > > The IGI only has different guesses that people have submitted but no > actual Batch No's or Source Call No's. > Edward Casson ROWNTREE b. 1811 Thorne Yorkshire my Gt Gt Grandfather > > The only question I can think to ask if there is an Index for the Quakers > Are they held in Yorkshire or in London? > > I am looking for a copy of the birth date register as well as the full > reference. > I am not familiar with Quaker records but do have knowledge of Parish > records that can be accessed through the LDS. > > Thanking you in Advance > Barbara from the Top End of Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the WEST-RIDING list administrator, send an email to > WEST-RIDING-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the WEST-RIDING mailing list, send an email to > WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 2, Issue 402 > ******************************************* > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: > 21/12/2007 1:17 PM > >

Hi Steve......how does this look? THOMAS SALE Baptised March 27, 1796 Ardwick le Street, Doncaster Parents: William Sale & Mary Marsden December 24, 1821 THOMAS SALE & SARAH HEWSWORTH Marr, Yorkshire mary lou **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Stephen Apologies for the typo - the marriage IGI should be M106791!!!! and I note from Google that Marr and Hampole are less than five miles apart....... Similarly multimap has Ardwick Le Street only 2 miles from Bentley, Doncaster; but the Monk Fryston and Barwick in Elmet links for Mary seem a bit off centre. Heigh ho..... Go for it with Thomas though!!!!!! and keep looking for Mary HEMSWORTH! Regards Geoff > From: geoffwatsone@hotmail.com> To: west-riding@rootsweb.com> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:06:21 +0000> Subject: Re: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES> > > Stephen> > Merry Christmas!> > The baptisms of a Jane, William, Mary and George SALE appear to be on IGI batch C106791 all in Marr Parish Church; and there is a possible marriage between Thomas and Sarah HEMSWORTH on M107791 in the same Church - seems a pretty fair bet to an amateur like me, that they are the same family, but other contributors might differ?> > There are 20 IGI's for Thomas Sale b1794-1798 in Yorkshire, but one born to William SALE and Mary MARSDEN (unfortunately a Member Submitted Item) but bearing in mind your info, with a specific date of 27 March 1796 in Ardwick Le Street, Doncaster seems worthy of more investigation; but there are only three IGI's (two people) for Sarah HEMSWORTH b1795-1799 in Yorkshire - more investigation needed on these methinks, on the proximity of Monk Fryston or Barwick in Elmet to the 1851 Census info of Bentley...... regret that I don't know the area well enough. Google might help....... > > Good luck!> > Geoff in a very wet Sevilla> > > From: Stephen.Sayles@btinternet.com> To: west-riding@rootsweb.com> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:31:29 +0000> Subject: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES> > Hi Folks,> > Can someone please help and make my Christmas?!!> > In the 1851 census, I have a Thomas SAYLES b. 1796 in Hampole, m. to a Sarah b. 1797 in Bentley Doncaster, with a daughter Jane GARBENS? b.1824 in Marr, Cristeford GARBENS?? son-in law b. 1822 in Darfield; William GARBENS? grandson, b. 1850 in Pigburn; Mary Ann SAYLES, daughter b. 1828 in Marr; Harriet SAYLES, daughter b. 1842 in Pigburn; Sarah SAYLES, granddaughter b. 1849 in Pigburn.> > In the 1841 census, the name is Thomas SALES b. 1796; Sarah SALES b. 1797; Mary SALES b. 1828; George SALES b. 1830; Joseph SALES b.1832; Thomas SALES b. 1837; and Harriet SALES b. 1841.> > I am assuming that they are the same family and the spelling change is because they are illiterate.> > I'm not sure how I can confirm if they are the same family.> > If someone has access to either the H!> ampole PRs or possibly the Adwick-le- Street PRs could they please check the marriage of Thomas and Sarah and supply Sarah's maiden name and also any predecessors of both?> > This would really make my Christmas!! > > Thanking you in anticipation and wishing all on the List a very MERRY Christmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year.> > Steve.> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks to Steve, Bill and Roy for their contributions - all useful info! The Denby thought is worth a follow up - a task for after the festive season. Seasons greetings to all, Andy. At 19:28 20/12/2007, you wrote: >What about the Kaye's of Denby, which was in the parish of Kirkheaton.

Stephen Merry Christmas! The baptisms of a Jane, William, Mary and George SALE appear to be on IGI batch C106791 all in Marr Parish Church; and there is a possible marriage between Thomas and Sarah HEMSWORTH on M107791 in the same Church - seems a pretty fair bet to an amateur like me, that they are the same family, but other contributors might differ? There are 20 IGI's for Thomas Sale b1794-1798 in Yorkshire, but one born to William SALE and Mary MARSDEN (unfortunately a Member Submitted Item) but bearing in mind your info, with a specific date of 27 March 1796 in Ardwick Le Street, Doncaster seems worthy of more investigation; but there are only three IGI's (two people) for Sarah HEMSWORTH b1795-1799 in Yorkshire - more investigation needed on these methinks, on the proximity of Monk Fryston or Barwick in Elmet to the 1851 Census info of Bentley...... regret that I don't know the area well enough. Google might help....... Good luck! Geoff in a very wet Sevilla > From: Stephen.Sayles@btinternet.com> To: west-riding@rootsweb.com> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:31:29 +0000> Subject: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES> > Hi Folks,> > Can someone please help and make my Christmas?!!> > In the 1851 census, I have a Thomas SAYLES b. 1796 in Hampole, m. to a Sarah b. 1797 in Bentley Doncaster, with a daughter Jane GARBENS? b.1824 in Marr, Cristeford GARBENS?? son-in law b. 1822 in Darfield; William GARBENS? grandson, b. 1850 in Pigburn; Mary Ann SAYLES, daughter b. 1828 in Marr; Harriet SAYLES, daughter b. 1842 in Pigburn; Sarah SAYLES, granddaughter b. 1849 in Pigburn.> > In the 1841 census, the name is Thomas SALES b. 1796; Sarah SALES b. 1797; Mary SALES b. 1828; George SALES b. 1830; Joseph SALES b.1832; Thomas SALES b. 1837; and Harriet SALES b. 1841.> > I am assuming that they are the same family and the spelling change is because they are illiterate.> > I'm not sure how I can confirm if they are the same family.> > If someone has access to either the Hampole PRs or possibly the Adwick-le- Street PRs could they please check the marriage of Thomas and Sarah and supply Sarah's maiden name and also any predecessors of both?> > This would really make my Christmas!! > > Thanking you in anticipation and wishing all on the List a very MERRY Christmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year.> > Steve.> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Folks, Can someone please help and make my Christmas?!! In the 1851 census, I have a Thomas SAYLES b. 1796 in Hampole, m. to a Sarah b. 1797 in Bentley Doncaster, with a daughter Jane GARBENS? b.1824 in Marr, Cristeford GARBENS?? son-in law b. 1822 in Darfield; William GARBENS? grandson, b. 1850 in Pigburn; Mary Ann SAYLES, daughter b. 1828 in Marr; Harriet SAYLES, daughter b. 1842 in Pigburn; Sarah SAYLES, granddaughter b. 1849 in Pigburn. In the 1841 census, the name is Thomas SALES b. 1796; Sarah SALES b. 1797; Mary SALES b. 1828; George SALES b. 1830; Joseph SALES b.1832; Thomas SALES b. 1837; and Harriet SALES b. 1841. I am assuming that they are the same family and the spelling change is because they are illiterate. I'm not sure how I can confirm if they are the same family. If someone has access to either the Hampole PRs or possibly the Adwick-le- Street PRs could they please check the marriage of Thomas and Sarah and supply Sarah's maiden name and also any predecessors of both? This would really make my Christmas!! Thanking you in anticipation and wishing all on the List a very MERRY Christmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year. Steve.

Steve wrote: >Andy > >What about the Kaye's of Denby, which was in the parish of Kirkheaton. > >The Kaye's of denby, were Sir John Lister Kaye, I have not found very many >CLAPHAMS at Kirkheaton, but there is a family of Clapham's at Clifton and >there is a lot of burials at Hartshead, > >The Armytage's of Kirklees is spelt ARMYTAGE and Armitage's of Milnsbridge >is Spelt ARMITAGE. > >The Kay's Armytage, Beaumont's were all related in some way. > >Steve > >www.kirkheaton-ops.co.uk > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Andy Micklethwaite" <jna74m@dsl.pipex.com> >To: <geedee@fsmail.net>; <west-riding@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 11:53 AM >Subject: [WRY] KAYE of Kirklees - was - Re: Malcolm Bull's Calderdale >Companion > > > > >>It's a pity there isn't a similar site to Malcolm's for Huddersfield! Ed >>Law's site http://homepage.eircom.net/~lawedd/index.htm on the titled of >>Huddersfield is quite informative. Are there any others? I was told my >>great grandmother Sarah CLAPHAM was a lady's maid to Lady KAYE of Kirklees >>Hall before she married in 1880 - however in 1881 ARMITAGEs were in >>Kirklees Hall not KAYEs, so I was looking to find the truth behind the >>legend. Malcolm's site does mention the Armitages of Kirklees. I've also >>found Armitages at Milnsbridge where Sarah's stepmother Emma HARPIN was a >>maid in 1871. So was it Armitages at Kirklees or Kayes somewhere else? >>Looking for any clues you can offer! >> >>Best Wishes, Andy. >> >>At 23:48 09/12/2007, you wrote: >> >> >>>Try.... http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/calderdale/index.html it just >>>worked for me. >>> >>> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Andy. Small bit bit of info on the KAYE'S OF Kirklees. John ARMYTAGE OF Farnley Tyas b1520 died 1573 Ireland (murdered after a shipwreck) buried Farnley Tyas Yeoman, clothier, exporter married Elizabeth KAYE bLockwood Almondsbury daughter of John Kaye. Bill Mirfield Avoca Beach Nsw Ps also a ARMITAGE descendant.