Hello Daphne, Sorry there is no-one with the surname PRIEST in the index, Judith At 20:22 28/12/2007, you wrote: >Could I have a look-up for the PRIEST name please?There were quite a few >Quakers amongst them and there are still quite a few elusive ones.... maybe >you can find one. > > Thank you > >Daphne >in the Waikari Valley, North Canterbury, New Zealand > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Judith wrote, < Just 1 Knowles in book a late burial 30-6-1925 William Knowles of Bentham> no Huntingtons I'm afraid,> Earlier Judith also wrote she found 1 Birkett in Chapter 2: <Assistance to member A Suffering In 1681 Henry Roebuck of Carbrook [Sheffield] was rembursed £4 for a exchequer fine and at the same meeting WILLIAM BIRKETT lateley removed to Lincolnshire was granted £6-67''for his late sufferings here> The book she refers to is one by W Pearson Thistlethwaite, "Yorkshire Quartley Meetingof the Soc of Friends" 1665-1955. I don't believe either of these are mine, but will keep them for future reference - just in case. Judith - thank you so much for all your time looking them up! Perhaps someone else will find they fit in their line. Best wishes for the New Year! Sherry Shallenberger

have noted the Quaker discussion with some interest. most of my Quaker lines are not in Yorks, but I do have Waterfall relatives in Yorks. for those of you researching Quakers, do you know about the Quaker-British-Isles list on Rootsweb? it's awfully slow at the moment, but now and again it becomes active and there are knowledgeable researchers on the list. Cornelia

Hi Roger Thanks for the memories - yours is better than mine! Best Wishes, Andy.

could someone do a look up for these surnames as we have quakers in our line. thank you marea in tasmania Roy Stockdill <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> wrote: From: "Sherry Shallenberger" > Judith wrote, > Thistlethwaite 'Yorkshire Quartley Meeting[of the Soc of Friends]' > 1665-1955> it has a very good surname index in the back if anyone > would like a lookup> > > Hi Judith, > When you have time, would you please see if there is any mention of > BIRKETT, KNOWLES or HUNTINGTON in the book you have?< There is another quite superb book about Yorkshire Quakers called "Sufferings of Early Quakers in Yorkshire 1652-1690", being a reprint of a famous book originally published in 1753 by one Joseph BESSE called "A Collection of the Sufferings of the People called Quakers". Besse's book covered the whole country but in 1998 William Sessions Ltd of York began publishing regional facsimiles, Yorkshire being the first. It bears an enormous number of names (literally thousands) and tells of the unjust persecutions of early Quakers, their jailing and having all their worldly goods and assets confiscated for refusing to attend services at the Established church. According to the foreword by Michael Gandy, the well-known UK genealogist, the book is a particularly valuable resource for American family historians since it pre-dates the establishment of the Quakers in Pennsylvania. Among those mentioned in it is Abraham Shackleton, of Harden, near Bingley. Shackleton was jailed for three years and his son, also Abraham (1696-1771) migrated to Ireland and founded a famous Quaker school there. Among his descendants was the great explorer, Sir Ernest Shackleton. I confess to being reluctant to offer look-ups since the number of names is vast and, secondly, a great many are unidentified by place. However, the book is available for order at a number of sites on the Internet and costs 12 pounds. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now.

Hi folks I was brought up in Brockholes and lived there until the 1960's and can well remember the shops there. At the corner of Rock Terrace was the only shop in Rock Terrace at the time. It was in the junction of New Mill Rd (A616) and Brockholes Lane - go to www.multimap.com, search for Brockholes in the UK and zoom in. The terrace itself was made up of two long blocks of "back to back" terrace houses and the shop was formed in the triangular shape of the road junction. The inside of the shop was quite small, just one room, with a passage connecting to the house adjacent to the shop and it stocked sweets, biscuits and bread etc. All weighed out from large jars or tin boxes into paper bags. I remember the shopkeepers as Lewis and Ida Hirst and Ida carried on after Lewis died. Ida was my cousens aunt. The Vautry's may well have taken over after Ida retired. The Post Office in those days was in a single story block of shops across the other side of the Brockholes Lane junction. Next to this was Mr Froggats Fish & Chip shop, the bench outside being an excellent young peoples meeting place. The third shop in this block was my uncle, Arthur Amitage's, greengrocers shop. Having started this rambling I could go on longer but perhaps it would be better to set myself a New Year project to creat a page on my website for memories of Brockholes. I will let the list know when this comes to fruition. Cheers Roger researching GILL, BERRY, CHARLESWORTH and ROBINSON in the Holme Valley. west-riding-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 11:28:12 +0000 From: Andy Micklethwaite Subject: Re: [WRY] Brockholes Grocery and confectioner To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <20071227113713.F2F94E000093@astro.systems.pipex.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 20:27 26/12/2007, Faith Smith wrote: >I've found Bradford directory listings, late 1960's to mid-'70s for G & B.A. Vautrey, Grocery and Confectioner, 12 Rock Ter, Brockholes and wonder if anyone out there can tell me anything about this store? Hi Faith As a kid I lived in Brockholes and I can confirm Rock Terrace is a valid address. When I was there in the 1960s, the main grocery store was the Coop, but I don't remember where exactly where Rock Terrace was. I think there was a corner shop just on the corner where the road forks off the main road heading up towards the station or was it the newsagents - was that Vautrey's? - it's not a family name I recognise. I note from Google that the Post Office is currently located there, but Google Maps doesn't show it. But I can't remember now where the Post Office was when I lived there - hmmm! Sorry! Hope this helps trigger other memories! I should point out, noting your location, that Brockholes isn't in Bradford just in case you or other listers didn't know - it's in the Holme Valley, about 5 miles South of Huddersfield, which in turn is south of Bradford. HTH Andy ------------------------------

Hello, list... Thanks to all who replied to my inquiry. The personal stories and URLs gave me a greater understanding and appreciation for Brockholes village life - just what I was hoping for. This list is the greatest! Happy New Year to all... Faith Smith ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

Hi Judith, If you have time I would appreciate you looking for Huddleston / Hudleston / Huddlestone, especially in the 17th and 18th centuries. Many thanks, Robin (Huddleston) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith Varley" <judith.varley@btinternet.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] quakers in yorkshire >I have a book published in 1979 written by W Pearson Thistlethwaite > 'Yorkshire Quartley Meeting[of the Soc of Friends]' > 1665-1955 > it has a very good surname index in the back if anyone would like a lookup > Judith > > > > > > > > > > At 19:18 24/12/2007, you wrote: >>The Leeds Public Library have the Quaker Birth , Marriages & Death records >>on film for all Yorks alot of the records are name indexed. >>Judith >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>At 17:09 24/12/2007, you wrote: >> >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "richard ellis" <richard@ellisresearch.demon.co.uk> >> >To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> >> >Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 10:21 AM >> >Subject: Re: [WRY] quakers in yorkshire >> > >> >Hi Richard, >> > I got mine form a book in Bradford Library, and there >> > are >> >additional details, in Leeds University, which we will gather soon and >> >add >> >to the rest. >> > >> >It started in 1650's The book has lots of other small Quakers burial >> >place >> >listed. I have not done these. Hope this helps. Janet. >> > >> >Janet Ogden Project Officer for Bradford FHSoc., FreeCEN 1891 >> >Huddersfield >> >& Saddleworth Also for FreeREG Yorkshire >> > >> > >> > > Dear Janet >> > > >> > > I'm delighted to know that - like me - you have been able to access >> > > Quaker records via the LDS - which indeed are available via the LDS >> > > website on the internet. >> > > >> > > However I am fairly sure that the earliest dates of such Quaker >> > > records >> > > only started in the 1670's - and that it is only via deduction that >> > > one >> > > could establish the connections to earlier family members via C of E >> > > parish records >> > > >> > > My earliest record is a Quaker marriage in Yorkshire in 1676, though >> > > there are positive links to earlier birth and marriage records, when >> > > the >> > > family was C of E. >> > > >> > > I do think that the "list" should know that Quaker births and >> > > marriages >> > > are recorded on the IGI - but not identified as such ie as Quakers - >> > > with the best "clue" being only a recorded birth, and not a baptism, >> > > whilst I assume that would be no separate identification of a Quaker >> > > marriage.( though someone may know!) >> > > >> > > Richard >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com >> > > [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of janet thomas >> > > Sent: 22 December 2007 22:43 >> > > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com >> > > Subject: [WRY] quakers in yorkshire >> > > >> > > >> > > I have read the responses to the Quakers with interest. Living in >> > > Australia, >> > > I imagine that you don't have much access to records in England. You >> > > may >> > > find that the actual Monthly Meeting records that you are looking for >> > > are >> > > filmed by LDS. I have English Quakers myself and have researched >> > > those MM >> > > records from Salt Lake and from my local FHC. My Quakers migrated in >> > > the >> > > 1670s to America but I have found all of them in the English MM >> > > records >> > > prior to that time. Mine are from Derbyshire and YKS and from these >> Quaker >> > > records, I was able to get them back to the beginning of the parish >> > > registers before they were Quakers. >> > > >> > > Those MM records are wonderful as they can tell you a lot about the >> > > society >> > > they lived in and about the individuals as well. For example, one of >> > > mine >> > > was thrown out for drinking and mistreating his family. I have also >> > > read >> > > with interest the discussions of slavery and the decision that >> > > Quakers >> > > could >> > > no longer own slaves and how that issue was treated in the meetings. >> > > Fascinating stuff! >> > > >> > > The records are found in the meeting, not in the town where they >> > > lived >> > > unless they are the same. There are lists of the meetings online. As >> > > I >> > > lost >> > > my hard drive in the spring with all of my favorites, I cannot easily >> > > locate >> > > this. But Google should work. Some of these MM minutes are indexed as >> > > well. >> > > The searchable databases look great but once you find someone, it is >> > > well >> > > worth going into the original records (or transcripts if that is all >> > > you >> > > can >> > > get). The Quaker birth and marriage records are not on the IGI for >> > > some >> > > reason and Quakers and Jews are the 2 groups exempt from needing to >> > > be >> > > married in the C of E prior to 1837. >> > > >> > > If you want to pursue this, contact me off the list. It has been a >> > > few >> > > years >> > > since I worked on this so I will need to dredge the memory. >> > > >> > > Janet Sugden Thomas >> > > Stamford, CT >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > > the >> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > > the >> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: >> > > 19/12/2007 19:37 >> > > >> > > >> > >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------- >> >I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. >> >It has removed 64034 spam emails to date. >> >Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >> >Try SPAMfighter for free now! >> > >> > >> >------------------------------- >> >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.7/1194 - Release Date: > 23/12/2007 17:27 > >

Hi Mary Lou At 03:09 28/12/2007, you wrote: >Hi Andy....there is an aerial photo of Rock Terrace here: > >_http://www.flickr.com/photos/10473471@N02/972547242_ >(http://www.flickr.com/photos/10473471@N02/972547242) That's a cracking photo - I think Faith's folks' shop will be on the bottom left corner of the terrace. I think (I may be wrong) that's where the Post Office was when I was there. >Few other sites also if you google "Rock Terrace"+Brockholes. Indeed - that's how I found the PO was still there. Hope this has helped Faith! Best Wishes, Andy. > >mary lou > > > > > > > > >**************************************See AOL's top rated recipes >(http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Roy, Thanks for the information about <"Sufferings of Early Quakers in Yorkshire 1652-1690", being a reprint of a famous book originally published in 1753 by one Joseph BESSE called "A Collection of the Sufferings of the People called Quakers". > Both of these books sound like very interesting sources regarding Quakers and their lifestyles. I am planning a trip to Salt Lake in May and I will be staying with my daughter who lives just 5 miles east of the Salt Lake Family History Center. When I'm not busy playing with my little grandson, I will be at the library, so I will definitely check to see if they have either of these books in their collection. Thanks for the great tip! Best wishes for the New Year! Sherry Shallenberger

True - but is/was there a Rock Terrace there? I know there was in the Holme Valley, and Google tells me it's still there, but the maps don't show it - are there any locals who can tell me where it is? Hi Andy....there is an aerial photo of Rock Terrace here: _http://www.flickr.com/photos/10473471@N02/972547242_ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/10473471@N02/972547242) Few other sites also if you google "Rock Terrace"+Brockholes. mary lou **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

In response to the thread about Rock Terrace, but also about the Kirklees/Huddersfield area in general: Rock Terrace is a key place for me as my husband's grandmother was born there in 1901, and several of his other relatives lived on the street in 1891 and 1901. Some of the houses were known just as Rock Cottages. Most people in the area worked in the woollen industry, but there was also a quarry there too (hence some of the street names, including Rock Terrace) The terrace has been renamed as part of New Mill Road, which is the A616 going from Huddersfield through Holmfirth and Stocksbridge to Sheffield. There is a good website for old images of the Kirklees area (the district council that covers the Huddersfield area). Take a look at http://www.kirkleesimages.org.uk/ If you search for Brockholes in their database, you will currently find 21 images, including at least one of Rock Terrace taken in 1910. Ruth ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com

At 16:13 27/12/2007, you wrote: >There is also an Upper Brockholes near Illingworth to the north of Halifax - >this is nearer to Bradford than the Huddersfield one. True - but is/was there a Rock Terrace there? I know there was in the Holme Valley, and Google tells me it's still there, but the maps don't show it - are there any locals who can tell me where it is? Andy.

There is also an Upper Brockholes near Illingworth to the north of Halifax - this is nearer to Bradford than the Huddersfield one. Grid Ref around SE 069 294 Alan -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Faith Smith Sent: 26 December 2007 20:28 To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: [WRY] Brockholes Grocery and confectioner Hello all, I've found Bradford directory listings, late 1960's to mid-'70s for G & B.A. Vautrey, Grocery and Confectioner, 12 Rock Ter, Brockholes and wonder if anyone out there can tell me anything about this store? Thanks! Faith Smith Fredericksburg VA Researching VAUTREY and BAWTRY in WRY, Lancs and Chesh. ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.9/1197 - Release Date: 25/12/2007 20:04 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.9/1198 - Release Date: 26/12/2007 17:26

From: "Sherry Shallenberger" <samc123@adelphia.net> > Judith wrote, <I have a book published in 1979 written by W Pearson > Thistlethwaite 'Yorkshire Quartley Meeting[of the Soc of Friends]' > 1665-1955> it has a very good surname index in the back if anyone > would like a lookup> > > Hi Judith, > When you have time, would you please see if there is any mention of > BIRKETT, KNOWLES or HUNTINGTON in the book you have?< There is another quite superb book about Yorkshire Quakers called "Sufferings of Early Quakers in Yorkshire 1652-1690", being a reprint of a famous book originally published in 1753 by one Joseph BESSE called "A Collection of the Sufferings of the People called Quakers". Besse's book covered the whole country but in 1998 William Sessions Ltd of York began publishing regional facsimiles, Yorkshire being the first. It bears an enormous number of names (literally thousands) and tells of the unjust persecutions of early Quakers, their jailing and having all their worldly goods and assets confiscated for refusing to attend services at the Established church. According to the foreword by Michael Gandy, the well-known UK genealogist, the book is a particularly valuable resource for American family historians since it pre-dates the establishment of the Quakers in Pennsylvania. Among those mentioned in it is Abraham Shackleton, of Harden, near Bingley. Shackleton was jailed for three years and his son, also Abraham (1696-1771) migrated to Ireland and founded a famous Quaker school there. Among his descendants was the great explorer, Sir Ernest Shackleton. I confess to being reluctant to offer look-ups since the number of names is vast and, secondly, a great many are unidentified by place. However, the book is available for order at a number of sites on the Internet and costs 12 pounds. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

From: Gordon Dyson <geedee@fsmail.net> > Good Morning Listers, > Ann SCARGILL, born 1836, was my Maternal Gt.Grandmother, her parents > were Christopher SCARGILL and Hannah WINTERBOTTOM, married Barnsley > 1831. Christopher is not in the 1841 Census, so presume he died > before then. >From LDS Ancestral File, Hannah was the dau. of Danniel > WINTERBOTTOM and Ann GAUNT, they had George, 23 Jan 1795, Timothey, > 26 Nov 1796, and Hannah, 23 Jan 1798, all born Barnsley, but their > marriage seems to be at Silkstone, 29 Apr 1799 ( after 3 children > born). Danniel was born about 1779 at Darfield, and Ann, about 1781 > at Silkstone. If Ann was born 1781 and first child George born > 1795,...... she was only 14 ? They would seem to have their 3 > children when Ann was only 14, 15,and 17 - did they have to wait until > she was 18 before they could marry ? Or are the dates in Ancestral > File, Members submissions, and not to be trusted ?< Ancestral File is even more unreliable than LDS private patron submissions in the IGI. I wouldn't accept anything in it without supporting evidence from other, more reliable sources. "About" birth dates are notoriously unreliable, since it usually simply means that someone has made a wild guess. It was not, however, especially unusual (and still isn't!) for a couple to have two, three or more children before marrying, even in the 18th century. Can anyone check > the Silkstone Marriage Register please, for a WINTERBOTTOM and GAUNT > Marriage. ? TIA, Gordon.> The marriage appears in the IGI on the date you give, but the all- numerical batch number indicates it is a private submission and, therefore, unreliable. Since the date seems to be precise, it may well be that someone has looked at the marriage register. What is very probably fiction is the birth dates! -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Judith- Is it possible for you to lookup the surname Scott, James and Susannah 1840-1895 to see if they are in the book. Thanks from Canada. Rosanne Kirkham ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith Varley" <judith.varley@btinternet.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] quakers in yorkshire >I have a book published in 1979 written by W Pearson Thistlethwaite > 'Yorkshire Quartley Meeting[of the Soc of Friends]' > 1665-1955 > it has a very good surname index in the back if anyone would like a lookup > Judith > > > > > > > > > > At 19:18 24/12/2007, you wrote: >>The Leeds Public Library have the Quaker Birth , Marriages & Death records >>on film for all Yorks alot of the records are name indexed. >>Judith >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>At 17:09 24/12/2007, you wrote: >> >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "richard ellis" <richard@ellisresearch.demon.co.uk> >> >To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> >> >Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 10:21 AM >> >Subject: Re: [WRY] quakers in yorkshire >> > >> >Hi Richard, >> > I got mine form a book in Bradford Library, and there >> > are >> >additional details, in Leeds University, which we will gather soon and >> >add >> >to the rest. >> > >> >It started in 1650's The book has lots of other small Quakers burial >> >place >> >listed. I have not done these. Hope this helps. Janet. >> > >> >Janet Ogden Project Officer for Bradford FHSoc., FreeCEN 1891 >> >Huddersfield >> >& Saddleworth Also for FreeREG Yorkshire >> > >> > >> > > Dear Janet >> > > >> > > I'm delighted to know that - like me - you have been able to access >> > > Quaker records via the LDS - which indeed are available via the LDS >> > > website on the internet. >> > > >> > > However I am fairly sure that the earliest dates of such Quaker >> > > records >> > > only started in the 1670's - and that it is only via deduction that >> > > one >> > > could establish the connections to earlier family members via C of E >> > > parish records >> > > >> > > My earliest record is a Quaker marriage in Yorkshire in 1676, though >> > > there are positive links to earlier birth and marriage records, when >> > > the >> > > family was C of E. >> > > >> > > I do think that the "list" should know that Quaker births and >> > > marriages >> > > are recorded on the IGI - but not identified as such ie as Quakers - >> > > with the best "clue" being only a recorded birth, and not a baptism, >> > > whilst I assume that would be no separate identification of a Quaker >> > > marriage.( though someone may know!) >> > > >> > > Richard >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com >> > > [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of janet thomas >> > > Sent: 22 December 2007 22:43 >> > > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com >> > > Subject: [WRY] quakers in yorkshire >> > > >> > > >> > > I have read the responses to the Quakers with interest. Living in >> > > Australia, >> > > I imagine that you don't have much access to records in England. You >> > > may >> > > find that the actual Monthly Meeting records that you are looking for >> > > are >> > > filmed by LDS. I have English Quakers myself and have researched >> > > those MM >> > > records from Salt Lake and from my local FHC. My Quakers migrated in >> > > the >> > > 1670s to America but I have found all of them in the English MM >> > > records >> > > prior to that time. Mine are from Derbyshire and YKS and from these >> Quaker >> > > records, I was able to get them back to the beginning of the parish >> > > registers before they were Quakers. >> > > >> > > Those MM records are wonderful as they can tell you a lot about the >> > > society >> > > they lived in and about the individuals as well. For example, one of >> > > mine >> > > was thrown out for drinking and mistreating his family. I have also >> > > read >> > > with interest the discussions of slavery and the decision that >> > > Quakers >> > > could >> > > no longer own slaves and how that issue was treated in the meetings. >> > > Fascinating stuff! >> > > >> > > The records are found in the meeting, not in the town where they >> > > lived >> > > unless they are the same. There are lists of the meetings online. As >> > > I >> > > lost >> > > my hard drive in the spring with all of my favorites, I cannot easily >> > > locate >> > > this. But Google should work. Some of these MM minutes are indexed as >> > > well. >> > > The searchable databases look great but once you find someone, it is >> > > well >> > > worth going into the original records (or transcripts if that is all >> > > you >> > > can >> > > get). The Quaker birth and marriage records are not on the IGI for >> > > some >> > > reason and Quakers and Jews are the 2 groups exempt from needing to >> > > be >> > > married in the C of E prior to 1837. >> > > >> > > If you want to pursue this, contact me off the list. 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Hi Faith, Like Andy, I can confirm that Brockholes is Huddersfield, not Bradford. going up the Holme Valley on the Woodhead Road towards Honley. I used to live a few miles away in Newsome, and we'd go through Brockholes quite often on our bikes. Again, though, like Andy I've slept since then (as we say in our family) and I can't remember shops/names round there. The railway station is on the road going up to Farnley Tyas which is pretty steep. I can't see a "Rock Terrace" on my map of Brockholes, but there's a "Robin Rocks" and a "Quarry Close", so it sounds like the right sort of territory. Alan

Good Morning Listers, Ann SCARGILL, born 1836, was my Maternal Gt.Grandmother, her parents were Christopher SCARGILL and Hannah WINTERBOTTOM, married Barnsley 1831. Christopher is not in the 1841 Census, so presume he died before then. >From LDS Ancestral File, Hannah was the dau. of Danniel WINTERBOTTOM and Ann GAUNT, they had George, 23 Jan 1795, Timothey, 26 Nov 1796, and Hannah, 23 Jan 1798, all born Barnsley, but their marriage seems to be at Silkstone, 29 Apr 1799 ( after 3 children born). Danniel was born about 1779 at Darfield, and Ann, about 1781 at Silkstone. If Ann was born 1781 and first child George born 1795,...... she was only 14 ? They would seem to have their 3 children when Ann was only 14, 15,and 17 - did they have to wait until she was 18 before they could marry ? Or are the dates in Ancestral File, Members submissions, and not to be trusted ? Can anyone check the Silkstone Marriage Register please, for a WINTERBOTTOM and GAUNT Marriage. ? TIA, Gordon.

At 20:27 26/12/2007, Faith Smith wrote: >I've found Bradford directory listings, late 1960's to mid-'70s for G & B.A. Vautrey, Grocery and Confectioner, 12 Rock Ter, Brockholes and wonder if anyone out there can tell me anything about this store? Hi Faith As a kid I lived in Brockholes and I can confirm Rock Terrace is a valid address. When I was there in the 1960s, the main grocery store was the Coop, but I don't remember where exactly where Rock Terrace was. I think there was a corner shop just on the corner where the road forks off the main road heading up towards the station or was it the newsagents - was that Vautrey's? - it's not a family name I recognise. I note from Google that the Post Office is currently located there, but Google Maps doesn't show it. But I can't remember now where the Post Office was when I lived there - hmmm! Sorry! Hope this helps trigger other memories! I should point out, noting your location, that Brockholes isn't in Bradford just in case you or other listers didn't know - it's in the Holme Valley, about 5 miles South of Huddersfield, which in turn is south of Bradford. HTH Andy