Hallo Andy, I only have baptisms for Almondbury, 1823-1834 and there are no Chapmans included. Have just looked on Ancestry - the only James Chapman married in the December quarter of 1877 (which is when I presume you mean) is one in Hull, ref. 9d 535, but I have found Emma Harpin marrried in Huddersfield Reg.District, ref. 9a 455, and on looking at the image of the page in Free BMD it give a groom of James Clapham - maybe this explains the different fathers. Are you sure this has been mistranscribed, have you seen the certificate? Joan in South Yorkshire On 06/01/2008, Andy Micklethwaite <jna74m@dsl.pipex.com> wrote: > > Happy New Year, listers! > > A friend has sent me a transcription she made long ago for a marriage in > Almondbury for Emma HARPIN: > > >mar. Alm. 7.10.77 age 50 sp. of > >Northorp dau of Joseph farmer to James Chapman 49wid. Moulder son of Ab. > >Chapman lab. > > This I believe is the 2nd marr. for James CLAPHAM (mistranscribed) - age > and occupation fit well, I have them on censuses from 1881 to 1901, and I > thought I had James from 1841! James is from Cleckheaton pretty consistently > in the censuses. But I'm bothered by "Ab." as father (Abraham?) - I had his > father as William. I've never been able to find a marriage for James and his > 1st wife Ellen BLACKBURN (also of Cleckheaton) so have no evidence there. > There's no obvious contender for James son of Abraham in Cleckheaton (there > is for James son of William - I have a baptism in Bradford but that's > another story!). > > So if someone has access to the PRs for Almondbury and is able and willing > to do a lookup, I could really do with knowing whether it is Ab or Wm! (Then > the problems will really begin!) If someone can do this for me I'd be very > grateful. > > Best Wishes, Andy. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you, Jean! I have checked the IGI, and would have expected that any St Peter's records would show up in that search, but no joy. I think I'm going to have to locate the meeting records, if any, for this chapel. Sigh. I'm glad you enjoyed your trip, not the best time of year for it. Maggie Hi Would St. Peters Huddersfield be of any help in finding a marriage. There is a Paddock near to the township of Huddersfield and there could well be one near Bradford as I am not familiar with Bradford. Many of the Huddersfield Parish church records can be found through the IGI.

Happy New Year, listers! A friend has sent me a transcription she made long ago for a marriage in Almondbury for Emma HARPIN: >mar. Alm. 7.10.77 age 50 sp. of >Northorp dau of Joseph farmer to James Chapman 49wid. Moulder son of Ab. >Chapman lab. This I believe is the 2nd marr. for James CLAPHAM (mistranscribed) - age and occupation fit well, I have them on censuses from 1881 to 1901, and I thought I had James from 1841! James is from Cleckheaton pretty consistently in the censuses. But I'm bothered by "Ab." as father (Abraham?) - I had his father as William. I've never been able to find a marriage for James and his 1st wife Ellen BLACKBURN (also of Cleckheaton) so have no evidence there. There's no obvious contender for James son of Abraham in Cleckheaton (there is for James son of William - I have a baptism in Bradford but that's another story!). So if someone has access to the PRs for Almondbury and is able and willing to do a lookup, I could really do with knowing whether it is Ab or Wm! (Then the problems will really begin!) If someone can do this for me I'd be very grateful. Best Wishes, Andy.

Hi Judy, thankyou for the details about using a camera to get images from readers at the LDS. I will print it out for future use. It was a year or two ago that I was at the LDS, I went regularly every week for about 3 years and had out many films. It was so frustrating not being able to copy out the entries that interested me in all of those films I looked at. Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. > HI > I noticed that you were unable to make copies of your records from LDS > films . > Have you tried photographing the image with a digital camera? >

I've just been notified by Ancestry that my subscription will be cancelled in 2 days as they no longer accept subscription payments via Maestro. Please can anyone reccommend another site where I can access all UK Censuses and BMD records. TIA Gail

Looking for any info on the ROBINSON family -- Anthony Robinson, b. abt 1702, m. Elizabeth Wharton abt 1732, Ravenstondale, Yorkshire. Anthony was the son of John Robinson (no other info, but probably b. bef 1685). Anthony is the father of Mary Robinson b. 1739 Ravenstonedale, wife of Robert Wilkinson of Sedbergh. Some of the Robinsons were early Quakers. "Mary Wilkinson" (wife of Robert) is listed as a Quaker ancestor in a 1880's history of Edwards and White Counties, Illinois. Excerpt from the will of John Robinson's uncle, Anthony Robinson, who d. 1711 Dovengill: 1710 7 March. Anthony Robinson of Ravenstonedale, quaker, left by will to his nephew John Robinson 20s. yearly for life at Midsummer, "£10 at six months and £10 at two years after my decease, and if my said nephew John Robinson be not content with what I have herein given him and give disturbance . . . then he shall have no benefit." To Ralph and John, sons of the nephew John Robinson, he gives the tenant-right estate at Dovengill in Ravenstonedale, equally divided, and "the cupboard, great table and dish-bench, allmery and four bedsteads or bedstocks" . . . Eleanor Rayl Indianapolis ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

Hi Roy Regarding the Picards in Otley. In the early Otley PR's 'Picard's married into Lindley up to the late 1600's. So I would be grateful if you would look out the Picard's after 1700 please Many Thanks Regards John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] Which is correct? IGI or English Parish Registers > From: "John Lindley" <jlindley41@sky.com> > >> Hi Elaine >> >> Do you know of the Picard's in Otley?> > > As listers know, I don't normally do look-ups except in exceptional > circumstances. > > However, it so happens that I have the Otley parish registers from 1750- > 1812 on a CD from the Yorkshire Parish Register Society and other > records in a series of booklets from 1812 to as late as 1883 (mostly > burials). > > Tell me which Pickards you are interested in and I will have a look as a > New Year gift. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jenny Finmark is Norway's most Northly fylke, it borders on part of it's Southern border with Finland, then to West it's southern border is with Sweden and the rest of Norway.The Hull fishermen are a recorded historic fact, their boats being arrested by King Christian 1V 's navy. Actually it is quite a famous case as it seems to be one of the first international law of the sea cases; helping to define it in fact; way back in Elizabethen times. Vardø is up on the Russian border, anyone who went on the Russian convoys can tell you how far North the coast of Finmark is and how far East Vardø is. The Germans invaded Russia from Kirkenes but didn't get very far, so Vardø was the overgang from German to Russian controll. The whole of the Pomor area seems to have been fished from Trondheim to Archangel, also by fishermen from Yorkshire. Always forget Grimsby is also a fishing port but the fishing schooners were from Hull. Next town west from us is Grimstad. to the north in Vestfold is the port of Horton. Seems that there was plenty of connections in the South but we often forget just how far North Yorkshirefishermen sailed their boats, when they went fishing, Not just the North Sea. regards Terry snowy old Arendal Norway > From: jennyda@telefonica.net > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 11:06:45 +0100 > Subject: [WRY] HIRST Owston/Campsall to Northallerton and Hull > > HI Terry, > > It is possible that a Hirst who was a fishreman could have been taken to > Finland as you say, Hirst/Hurst is such a common name in Yorkshire as a > whole that there must have been Hirsts that went to sea either as Mariners > or Fishermen. Hull is or was, (not sure what the situation is at present), > a large fishing port. > > Regards > Jenny DeAngelis, > Spain. > > <<> Hi >> bare an aside from the far North, up in Finmark Norway (where North Cape >> is) there is in the 1865 Norwegian census a family called Hirsti. Do know >> from all the trouble between King Christian the 4th and Elizabeth the 1st >> goverments over passage fees for the Muskovy Company's ships sailing to >> Archangel, that fishing boats from Hull were arrested and taken into >> Vardø. >> Problem cleared up and boats released when James came to the throne, >> wonder just idely if any connection with this area of the Norwegian Pomor >> and the Hirst family?>> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

Just like to say thank you to Richard of Surrey and Jean thank you for your time and your wonderful replies Chris Marchbanks

Martin' Sorry, don't do HIRSTs. Alan

HI I noticed that you were unable to make copies of your records from LDS films . Have you tried photographing the image with a digital camera? Turn off the flash, and set the camera to close-up, then brace the camera against anything available. If you are working with a viewer that projects onto a baseboard you may get better results putting a large matte piece of paper on the baseboard. (Newsprint, usually the cheapest paper in the art store, works fine) If you are reading from a back lit screen you may find that your camera has trouble focussing - My experience is that some camera to screen distances work better that others Try several settings of the "+" and "-" exposure settings, and you should get something usable. Leave the camera on colour - setting it to black and white only throws away potentially useful photographic information. You can of course do the same with film, but apart from the expense, you don't get the immediate feedback, and therefore don't know if you need to try another setting! Judy > I checked the Borthwick's holdings after posting my message to the > list and > found they hold Newton Kyme PRs so will contact them. I will also > have to > contact Doncaster Archives, now that you have told me they hold the > Owston > registers. It is a nuisance that the LDS here does not have the > facitilies > to make copies from the films but at least I have been able to view > films of > the original souces which has been a great help with my living at this > distance. >

HI Terry, It is possible that a Hirst who was a fishreman could have been taken to Finland as you say, Hirst/Hurst is such a common name in Yorkshire as a whole that there must have been Hirsts that went to sea either as Mariners or Fishermen. Hull is or was, (not sure what the situation is at present), a large fishing port. Regards Jenny DeAngelis, Spain. <<> Hi > bare an aside from the far North, up in Finmark Norway (where North Cape > is) there is in the 1865 Norwegian census a family called Hirsti. Do know > from all the trouble between King Christian the 4th and Elizabeth the 1st > goverments over passage fees for the Muskovy Company's ships sailing to > Archangel, that fishing boats from Hull were arrested and taken into > Vardø. > Problem cleared up and boats released when James came to the throne, > wonder just idely if any connection with this area of the Norwegian Pomor > and the Hirst family?>>

Grimsby is certainly a fishing port and I've always linked Hull and Grimsby in my mind as being such. I buy fresh Grimsby fish, delivered to my home in Cheshire every couple of months (a good 100 miles away). They must have plenty of customers in this area to make it worth their while. Jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny De Angelis" <jennyda@telefonica.net> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 10:06 AM Subject: [WRY] HIRST Owston/Campsall to Northallerton and Hull HI Terry, It is possible that a Hirst who was a fishreman could have been taken to Finland as you say, Hirst/Hurst is such a common name in Yorkshire as a whole that there must have been Hirsts that went to sea either as Mariners or Fishermen. Hull is or was, (not sure what the situation is at present), a large fishing port. Regards Jenny DeAngelis, Spain. <<> Hi > bare an aside from the far North, up in Finmark Norway (where North Cape > is) there is in the 1865 Norwegian census a family called Hirsti. Do know > from all the trouble between King Christian the 4th and Elizabeth the 1st > goverments over passage fees for the Muskovy Company's ships sailing to > Archangel, that fishing boats from Hull were arrested and taken into > Vardø. > Problem cleared up and boats released when James came to the throne, > wonder just idely if any connection with this area of the Norwegian Pomor > and the Hirst family?>> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: 04/01/2008 12:05

Hi bare an aside from the far North, up in Finmark Norway (where North Cape is) there is in the 1865 Norwegian census a family called Hirsti. Do know from all the trouble between King Christian the 4th and Elizabeth the 1st goverments over passage fees for the Muskovy Company's ships sailing to Archangel, that fishing boats from Hull were arrested and taken into Vardø. Problem cleared up and boats released when James came to the throne, wonder just idely if any connection with this area of the Norwegian Pomor and the Hirst family? regards Terry Norway > From: jennyda@telefonica.net > To: akpak@waitrose.com; west-riding@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 23:37:57 +0100 > Subject: Re: [WRY] HIRST Owston/Campsall to Northallerton and Hull > > Thankyou Arthur, > > I checked the Borthwick's holdings after posting my message to the list and > found they hold Newton Kyme PRs so will contact them. I will also have to > contact Doncaster Archives, now that you have told me they hold the Owston > registers. It is a nuisance that the LDS here does not have the facitilies > to make copies from the films but at least I have been able to view films of > the original souces which has been a great help with my living at this > distance. > > <<> Good to hear from you again - like you I've been concentrating more on > other >> families recently, so can't fill in any of the gaps for you at present. >> However, to answer your query re PRs: >> Owston registers are held by Doncaster Archives, and Newton Kyme at the >> Borthwick Institute. >> Regards, >> Arthur>> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

Hi Nelson This might interest you. FEB 19th 1754 I buried Abel SHEARD IN THE 93 rd year of his age baptised by Mr R Allenson Vicar 17 Dec 1661 born at a little house by Battye Ford, he could remember a Pest House or Cabin erected under Hall Bank for the use of Mary OWENGE,who came to her parents near that place from London soon after the plague of 1665.He could also remember being entered free at Knowl School when that Charity was first left by Mr THORP IN 1667. The first master was lame and walked with crutches. His name he thought was PICKLES, and that he had upwards of 60 scholars when Abel left. Nelson. Would seem the SHEARD'S were N/C as there's a reference to a Michael Sheard. In 1692 the house of Michael SHEARD(THORP property)was licensed as the meeting house. Reason that Richard THORP & WIFE were getting on in years. PS This Richard's g/g also Richard bought Hopton Hall (still standing) from Thomas Wentworth and used it as a meeting house. Thomas Wentworth married Joanne MIRFIELD daughter of Oliver Mirfield. Mirfield's occupied Hopton Hall as the book says into the mists of time. Bill Mirfield Avoca Beach Nsw

From: MaggieMole@aol.com > I have an IGI reference to Elijah Taylor, birth 2 Jan 1829, at this > chapel. I assume that it really is a birth record, and not a baptism? > > > It identifies his parents as Johnson Taylor and Hannah Priestley, and > I am having great difficulty locating a marriage record. I think > Elijah was the first-born, so a marriage should not be too long > before his birth. The chapel records on the IGI don't include > marriages, and I can't find it in the IGI at all. I have the Halifax > St John's CDs but it's not included there. I've also looked at the > new non-conformist website, but only 3 entries appear there, all > outside Yorkshire. If the families came from Rastrick or Paddock > (wherever that is), would the marriage even have been in Halifax - or > Bradford? > > Hannah Priestley (I looked for this is the less comon of the two > names) births are numerous on the non-conformist website, 39 are > listed, although I could discount some of them as probably being too > early. I do dislike pay-per-view when you have a common name! comes > from Yorkshire blood, I guess. > > In the census returns for the family, Johnson is called John Taylor, > but this doesn't seem to get me anywhere either. > > So there must be something special about a Baptist marriage: where > would I look for it next, please? Thanks for any help Maggie> Maggie You are NOT going to find a marriage in a Baptist church in 1829 or anywhere around that date because there simply weren't any! Surely you have seen mention on this list and others of Lord Hardwicke's Marriage Act, which was law from 1754 to 1837 and which decreed that ALL marriages must be in the Established Church, i.e. Church of England, except for Jews and Quakers, the only dispensations allowed because they were known to keep excellent records. Catholic marriages weren't legal, either, although some Catholic churches continued to hold marriage ceremonies. However, they were invalid in civil law. And certainly no Baptist Churches or other Nonconformists - apart from the aforementioned Jews and Quakers - were licensed for marriages. Even after 1837 when civil registration came in, most Nonconformist churches did not conduct marriages until late in the 19th century. Elijah Taylor's entry would be a birth, since Baptists didn't baptise children. The IGI says quite clearly it was a birth. You will have to look for the parents' marriage at an Anglican church - possibly Bradford St Peter's. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

HI Jill, I have not done much research in Campsall, or Owston, after the 1730/40s when my Godfrey and his brother Richard were each baptised in these places so I can't say whether there was a John Hirst in the 1800s at Campsall or Fenwick that were related to my line of Hirst, there is a good chance though that there is some connection so I will put your message in my Hirst file for future reference. If when you work back further with John Hirst you think there is something more deifinite please contact me. Regards Jenny DeAngelis. Spain. <<I have a John HIRST who married Caroline HART in 1847 in Campsall. His family came from Hatfield. Some of their children were baptised in Campsall and some in Fenwick. Their son Thomas married Elizabeth COOPER, who was his cousin. Their mothers were sisters. Jane HART, Elizabeth's mother, was my Gt. Gt. Grandmother.>>

HI Arthur, Yes, you are the other person I was referring to in my message. Nice to hear from you again, I have not been doing much on the Hirst family for a while, I seem to have got really stuck with them. But seeing Nelson's posting about his Hirsts at Mirfield prompted me to re-post my interest in the name and see what happened. I still haven't found the death of Godfrey Hirst's wife Dorothy nee Dunhill anywhere in Yorkshire. She was not mentioned in Godfrey's will written in 1806, he died in 1807, so I assume she must have been already dead when he wrote it. The last mention I have of Dorothy is a hair powder tax payment in 1795 so I have 10year window for her death to have taken place in. I have checked the NBI online at the familyhistorynline site of the Fed. FHS but of all the Dorothy Hirsts mentioned not one of them fits with my Dorothy. I have been through the PRs for Northallerton where my branch of Hirsts lived from at least 1770 onwards but found no mention of Dorothy's burial there though Godfrey and one or two of their children and grandchildren are shown in the burial registers. Perhaps she died while on a visit somewhere else but that other place has not yet been included in the NBI, either that or she is on the NBI but in a place I don't recognise for her. I also have at least 2 of Godfrey's sons, Jonathan and Richard, that went to live in Kingston upon Hull/Sculcoates area of East Yorkshire. Richard was mentioned as being a Cutler and Ironmonger at Kigston upon Hull in Godfrey's will of 1806 but then I found Richard buried in Northallerton in 1833, in the obituary for him in the Hull Advertiser if notes him as the brother of Mr. Francis Hirst of the Golden Lion Inn Northallerton. I can only assume that as he is buried in Northallerton he had moved back there after th death of his father, perhaps as he was the eldest child of Godfrey he wanted to keep an eye on his younger brothers? Jonathan lived and died with his wife and children at Sculcoates and he and his wife ended their days in the Charterhouse almhouses there, he died in the 1860s. What I need to get hold of is a copy of the baptism of Godfrey Hirst in 1735 from the Owston PRs, though I have looked at the LDS film of these and confirmed the details the LDS centre here in Barcelona does not have a machine to make copies from microfilms. I also need to get a copy of the marriage in 1770 at Newton Kyme of Godfrey Hirst to Dorothy Dunhill but I am not sure where those PRs would be kept, York of Wakefield? I have copies of the marriage licence and bond but not the actual marriage entry. I do like to have copies of the originals for my files. Regards Jenny DeAngelis. Spain. > My ancestor Richard HIRST had the good sense to die in a parish using Dade > registers, and his burial entry (1806) names his father as Jonathan Hirst > of > Owston, Farmer. His age at burial and his father's relatively uncommon > forename are consistent with the baptism found in 1728 in Campsall, which > is > adjacent to Owston. This evidence of movement from Campsall to Owston, > together with Godfrey's mention of Richard in his will, also makes it more > likely that the Jonathan father of Richard (1728) and the Jonathan father > of > Godfrey (1735/36) are one and the same.

Hi There's a Josh Hirst (Prop) Occupier Scribbling & Fulling Rateable value 49 pounds 10 shillings There's also a Sam Brook Esq (Prop Occupier R Hirst & Co Scribbling & Fulling Rate Value 43 pounds 10 shillings (West Mills) This was taken in 1802 and is from the History of Mirfield by Harold Norman Pobjoy M.A. Cheers Bill Mirfield Avoca Beach NSW

While we're in the area, I have a copy of the will of Samuel HIRST of Campsall, a Yeoman. This was written 25 Feb 1782 and proved 15 Oct 1782 (PCY). In it he mentions the following: Thomas Hirst - Nephew Samuel Hirst - Nephew William Morton - Nephew Elizabeth Ossit - Niece Elizabeth Whittaker - Niece Elizabeth Bewlay - Niece Margret Morton - Sister William Hirst - Nephew (Executor) I can't find Samuel in an index to Campsall burials, and the only possible lead I have found on any of the others is a marriage in Womersley in 1750 between Margaret HURST and John MORTON (IGI extracted entry). There's no evidence linking him to my family, so who does he belong to? Arthur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Blain" <jill.blain1@btopenworld.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:15 PM Subject: [WRY] HIRST in Campsall etc. > Hi Folks, > > I have a John HIRST who married Caroline HART in 1847 in Campsall. His > family came from Hatfield. Some of their children were baptised in > Campsall and some in Fenwick. Their son Thomas married Elizabeth COOPER, > who was his cousin. Their mothers were sisters. Jane HART, Elizabeth's > mother, was my Gt. Gt. Grandmother. > > Confused?.......you will be! > > Jill