On 14 Nov 2009 at 10:55, Keith & Mabel Jowsey wrote: > Hi Edward > > Perhaps your Squire ELLIS wa a local landowner but one has to be > cautious about this type of name. To give a few examples found in our > own experience > > A one time colleague who was born in the West Riding was Alderman > G--------. He was a textile worker, wasn't, and had never been, an > Alderman. That was his christian name. > > A neighbour asked our help in tracing his ancestors because he had > found that one of them was Lord H----- from the Giggleswick area, > according to information from an elderly aunt. Research proved that > Lord H------'s mother's maiden name was LORD. > > Duke FOSTER had been baptised as "Marmaduke" - East Riding - caused a > > little flutter of excitement when I found him but commonsense should > have told me that Ag Labs were unlikely to be titled. > Good hunting > Mabel in NZ > A peremptory search at FreeBMD will easily establish that the following "titles" were frequently employed as Christian names..... KING QUEEN PRINCE PRINCESS DUKE EARL LORD LADY SQUIRE ALDERMAN MAYOR MAJOR A search will produce such examples as KING GEORGE, KING CHARLES, etc, and I particularly like QUEEN McQUEEN, married at Leicester in 1916 to a man called Street, so she became QUEEN STREET! There were lots of PRINCEs (including one of my great-uncles who was called Prince Frederick Stockdill) and several PRINCESSes, not to mention DUKEs, EARLs and LORDs. Yorkshire had a well-known cricketer called MAJOR BOOTH, born at Pudsey, a fine all-rounder who also played for England. He served in WWI as a Second Lieutenant, so he was actually 2nd Lieut Major Booth. He was killed in 1916. And, being a jazz freak, I cannot close without mentioning Joe King Oliver, Nat King Cole, Duke Ellington, Count Basie and Earl Hines! -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi Edward Perhaps your Squire ELLIS wa a local landowner but one has to be cautious about this type of name. To give a few examples found in our own experience A one time colleague who was born in the West Riding was Alderman G--------. He was a textile worker, wasn't, and had never been, an Alderman. That was his christian name. A neighbour asked our help in tracing his ancestors because he had found that one of them was Lord H----- from the Giggleswick area, according to information from an elderly aunt. Research proved that Lord H------'s mother's maiden name was LORD. Duke FOSTER had been baptised as "Marmaduke" - East Riding - caused a little flutter of excitement when I found him but commonsense should have told me that Ag Labs were unlikely to be titled. Good hunting Mabel in NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward J. Lowitz" <[email protected]> > I've been researching the surname ELLIS from Horbury. In the parish > registers of Horbury, I came across exactly 6 references to the title > 'Squire'. Each was associated with the surname ELLIS for the period > 1598 - > 1812. The entries mentioning Squire Ellis occur from 1767 through 1786. > Being from the US, the title Squire is not one which I commonly use but > based on the Wikipedia entry, I understand that it would be associated > with > a Manor House. I'm trying to find out where this individual fits in > relative to the other ELLIS family members in the area. The Squire is > married to Hannah LNU and had at least three baptized kids (John, Hannah & > Sarah). There is no mention of his marriage or burial. His wife's burial > is mentioned in 1786. Only marriage he was involved with was for a Joseph > Ellis variously described as a "shoemaker" or "laborer". > > My questions are this: > > 1) Why are no other 'Squire's mentioned in the Parish Register? > 2) How did this guy get his title? > 3) If this guy had wealth/status, why is there so little record of him in > the Registers (ex. his death & marriage)? > 4) As a Squire, should there be further documentation of him around > somewhere (ex. deed for the Manor?, papers conferring the title?, > something > in the society pages {smile}?)? > 5) Did this guy just have a title with no wealth? > > At the least, I'd like to know his first name! > Would sks please provide some insight? > Thanks guys! > Ed

You could see if there is a Coroner's office in Pontefract, and they might have a full record. And you can check the local newspapers at that date to see if there is a report of the inquest. I found a copy of my GGF's death fully reported this way. Good luck! Maggie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:57 Subject: [WRY] inquest JOHN MILNER 1895 ello list, I've just bought my great, great, grandfather's Death Certificate today: JOHN MILNER died 26 Apri 1895 age 57 General Labourer. Living orsefair, Pontefract. The cause of Death: 'Internally injurned by accidentally falling off shafs f a water cart he was driving in Salter Row, 13 hours' 'Certificate received from Thos. TAYLOR Coroner for Yorkshire. Inquest eld 27th April 1895' know where Salter Row & Horsefair is in Pontefract. will be going in Pontefract Library to check local paper Pontefract & astleford Express to see if any write up about the accident. guess the inquests will be at Wakefield Archives, but at moment will ot be able to go to check them. Reason for this message, is there anything else I could look at for any nformation on this sad story? thanks for any help, (anyone else got him in their family tree?) Maureen ome useful websites - REECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ REEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ ant to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki ttp://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Hi Ed There are about 30 Yorks Parish Registers available for free download at http://www.archive.org/index.php . Some are google digitised but most are from various North American Libraries. Regards Chris B -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Edward J. Lowitz Sent: 12 November 2009 17:13 To: [email protected] Subject: [WRY] Chapel of Horbury Registers - Google Digitized Occasionally, you get cut some slack. I searched through the archives of this list but find no prior mention of this. Google has been digitizing books (Google web page, More, Books). Please note the copyright warning. They clearly state that although the books they digitize they believe are in the common domain in the US, they may not be in other countries. They digitized "The Publications of the Yorkshire Parish Register Society, Volume III" which is "The Registers of the Chapel of Horbury in the Parish of Wakefield in the County of York, 1598 - 1812". It was edited by John Charlesworth of Wakefield. This particular copy was from Harvard's library. The preface says that it contains volumes 1 through 7. It is about 400 pages long. You can search, read or download it as a pdf from here: http://books.google.com/books?id=-uUGAAAAYAAJ&dq=chapel+of+horbury&source=gb s_navlinks_s Ed. Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ed Just to confuse you even more, while Squire could be a title, as you say, like Sir, usually referring to a local bigwig, lord of the manor, something like that, it could also be a given name. I have Squires in several of my family lines. Considering everything you say about this chap in the registers, it looks 99% certain that Squire was his given name and he was probably a labourer or craftsman by trade. Cheers Celia Renshaw Bringing lost ancestors home: www.morganhold.com Free strays database; affordable family research services -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Edward J. Lowitz Sent: 12 November 2009 17:42 To: [email protected] Subject: [WRY] Term "Squire", ELLIS in Horbury I've been researching the surname ELLIS from Horbury. In the parish registers of Horbury, I came across exactly 6 references to the title 'Squire'. Each was associated with the surname ELLIS for the period 1598 - 1812. The entries mentioning Squire Ellis occur from 1767 through 1786. Being from the US, the title Squire is not one which I commonly use but based on the Wikipedia entry, I understand that it would be associated with a Manor House. I'm trying to find out where this individual fits in relative to the other ELLIS family members in the area. The Squire is married to Hannah LNU and had at least three baptized kids (John, Hannah & Sarah). There is no mention of his marriage or burial. His wife's burial is mentioned in 1786. Only marriage he was involved with was for a Joseph Ellis variously described as a "shoemaker" or "laborer". My questions are this: 1) Why are no other 'Squire's mentioned in the Parish Register? 2) How did this guy get his title? 3) If this guy had wealth/status, why is there so little record of him in the Registers (ex. his death & marriage)? 4) As a Squire, should there be further documentation of him around somewhere (ex. deed for the Manor?, papers conferring the title?, something in the society pages {smile}?)? 5) Did this guy just have a title with no wealth? At the least, I'd like to know his first name! Would sks please provide some insight? Thanks guys! Ed.

I concur with Celia: I also have come across individuals named Squire and they were certainly not titled. And the given name of Squire would run for several generations. Mel Smith Whitby, Ontario, Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Celia Renshaw Sent: November 13, 2009 3:02 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [WRY] Term "Squire", ELLIS in Horbury Hi Ed Just to confuse you even more, while Squire could be a title, as you say, like Sir, usually referring to a local bigwig, lord of the manor, something like that, it could also be a given name. I have Squires in several of my family lines. Considering everything you say about this chap in the registers, it looks 99% certain that Squire was his given name and he was probably a labourer or craftsman by trade. Cheers Celia Renshaw Bringing lost ancestors home: www.morganhold.com Free strays database; affordable family research services -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Edward J. Lowitz Sent: 12 November 2009 17:42 To: [email protected] Subject: [WRY] Term "Squire", ELLIS in Horbury I've been researching the surname ELLIS from Horbury. In the parish registers of Horbury, I came across exactly 6 references to the title 'Squire'. Each was associated with the surname ELLIS for the period 1598 - 1812. The entries mentioning Squire Ellis occur from 1767 through 1786. Being from the US, the title Squire is not one which I commonly use but based on the Wikipedia entry, I understand that it would be associated with a Manor House. I'm trying to find out where this individual fits in relative to the other ELLIS family members in the area. The Squire is married to Hannah LNU and had at least three baptized kids (John, Hannah & Sarah). There is no mention of his marriage or burial. His wife's burial is mentioned in 1786. Only marriage he was involved with was for a Joseph Ellis variously described as a "shoemaker" or "laborer". My questions are this: 1) Why are no other 'Squire's mentioned in the Parish Register? 2) How did this guy get his title? 3) If this guy had wealth/status, why is there so little record of him in the Registers (ex. his death & marriage)? 4) As a Squire, should there be further documentation of him around somewhere (ex. deed for the Manor?, papers conferring the title?, something in the society pages {smile}?)? 5) Did this guy just have a title with no wealth? At the least, I'd like to know his first name! Would sks please provide some insight? Thanks guys! Ed. Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hello list, I've just bought my great, great, grandfather's Death Certificate today: JOHN MILNER died 26 Apri 1895 age 57 General Labourer. Living Horsefair, Pontefract. The cause of Death: 'Internally injurned by accidentally falling off shafs of a water cart he was driving in Salter Row, 13 hours' 'Certificate received from Thos. TAYLOR Coroner for Yorkshire. Inquest held 27th April 1895' I know where Salter Row & Horsefair is in Pontefract. I will be going in Pontefract Library to check local paper Pontefract & Castleford Express to see if any write up about the accident. I guess the inquests will be at Wakefield Archives, but at moment will not be able to go to check them. Reason for this message, is there anything else I could look at for any information on this sad story? thanks for any help, (anyone else got him in their family tree?) Maureen

I've been researching the surname ELLIS from Horbury. In the parish registers of Horbury, I came across exactly 6 references to the title 'Squire'. Each was associated with the surname ELLIS for the period 1598 - 1812. The entries mentioning Squire Ellis occur from 1767 through 1786. Being from the US, the title Squire is not one which I commonly use but based on the Wikipedia entry, I understand that it would be associated with a Manor House. I'm trying to find out where this individual fits in relative to the other ELLIS family members in the area. The Squire is married to Hannah LNU and had at least three baptized kids (John, Hannah & Sarah). There is no mention of his marriage or burial. His wife's burial is mentioned in 1786. Only marriage he was involved with was for a Joseph Ellis variously described as a "shoemaker" or "laborer". My questions are this: 1) Why are no other 'Squire's mentioned in the Parish Register? 2) How did this guy get his title? 3) If this guy had wealth/status, why is there so little record of him in the Registers (ex. his death & marriage)? 4) As a Squire, should there be further documentation of him around somewhere (ex. deed for the Manor?, papers conferring the title?, something in the society pages {smile}?)? 5) Did this guy just have a title with no wealth? At the least, I'd like to know his first name! Would sks please provide some insight? Thanks guys! Ed.

Occasionally, you get cut some slack. I searched through the archives of this list but find no prior mention of this. Google has been digitizing books (Google web page, More, Books). Please note the copyright warning. They clearly state that although the books they digitize they believe are in the common domain in the US, they may not be in other countries. They digitized "The Publications of the Yorkshire Parish Register Society, Volume III" which is "The Registers of the Chapel of Horbury in the Parish of Wakefield in the County of York, 1598 - 1812". It was edited by John Charlesworth of Wakefield. This particular copy was from Harvard's library. The preface says that it contains volumes 1 through 7. It is about 400 pages long. You can search, read or download it as a pdf from here: http://books.google.com/books?id=-uUGAAAAYAAJ&dq=chapel+of+horbury&source=gb s_navlinks_s Ed.

Many thanks to all who replied to my query. I was about to contact the House of Lords when I received a message about photocopies kept at the the West Riding Archive in Kirklees -- so all should be sorted soon. The was also a mention of a staunch Royalist, John Copley of Batley Hall, who died at York so it's possible he may have attrected other Royalists to the area. Chris Broscomb -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 07 November 2009 08:49 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WRY] Batley - Protestation Returns Chris, As far as I know, the returns are kept in the House of Lords Record Office, where you have to make an appointment for access. I'm not aware of any Yorkshire transcriptions kept independently, but maybe other listers might know. I didn't know Batley was a Royalist stronghold: I always thought the West Riding was staunchly for the Parliamentarians as a result of non-conformist leanings. Good luck! Maggie -----Original Message----- From: ChrisB <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:02 Subject: [WRY] Batley - Protestation Returns Help Please. Can anyone help me locate a copy of the 1642 Protestation Returns for Batley? I believe William BROXSOME moved from Blackburn (in that other County) to Batley due to the Civil War but don't know why. Blackburn was a Parliamentary stronghold and I wonder if he and others were made 'less than welcome' during the troubles and moved as a group to Batley with the help of a Royalist benefactor. I am hoping the list of names might identify non-Batley families who might be traced back to Blackburn. Chris Broscomb Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.60/2495 - Release Date: 11/10/09 19:56:00

Thanks anyway! Glenda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [WRY] William LUNN c 1731 > Glenda, > Sorry for delay in replying. I'm afraid I only have 'L' and 'R' surnames. > > Joan > > 2009/11/5 glenda <[email protected]> > >> Hello Joan, >> >> I wonder, do you have other baptisms for Wath, apart from 'L' surnames? >> If >> you do, I am seeking an Abigail MAWSON circa 1890 and any siblings. 'My' >> Abigail MAWSON married a John ATLEY in 1815 I believe, again in Wath. If >> you >> could help with any of this I would be most grateful. >> >> With thanks, >> >> Glenda Atley >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joan Smith" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 1:59 AM >> Subject: Re: [WRY] William LUNN c 1731 >> >> >> > Dave, >> > I have the baptisms for Wath from 1598 for surnames beginning "L", and >> > these >> > show two Lun (one 'n') entries as follows: >> > >> > Elizabeth, daughter of William, baptised 24th April 1759 >> > >> > Mary, daughter of William, baptised 31st July 1757 >> > >> > Their ages would appear to suggest they could be daughters of your >> > William, >> > but he is not there. >> > >> > There is a marriage for a Mary Lunn of Wath, 4th July 1779 to John >> > Laughton >> > of Mexborough >> > >> > I also have burials and these are the entries there: >> > >> > Elizabeth, daughter of William, buried 2nd March 1765 >> > >> > Catherine, wife of William, buried 24th February 1777 >> > >> > That's all I'm afraid, but hope it helps. >> > >> > Joan. >> > >> > >> > >> > 2009/11/4 Dave Lunn <[email protected]> >> > >> >> This is my first post - or at least my first for a very long time - so >> be >> >> gentle with me! >> >> >> >> I believe that William LUNN b. c 1731 (IGI) is the oldest relative, to >> >> date, >> >> that I have been able to source. >> >> >> >> On the IGI, it states his birth as being 'About 1731 of Wath Upon >> Dearne, >> >> Yorkshire, England'. >> >> >> >> Now I have plenty of relatives in that area of Yorkshire, so all >> >> things >> >> are >> >> positive with this. >> >> >> >> However, how do I go about verifying, if I can, his details? >> >> >> >> Many thanks for your help, >> >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Dave Lunn >> >> m: 07920056546 >> >> e: [email protected] >> >> w: www.lunny68.co.uk >> >> Skype: TheLunnFamily >> >> Facebook: Dave Lunn >> >> Twitter: lunny68 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Some useful websites - >> >> FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ >> >> FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ >> >> Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki >> >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > Some useful websites - >> > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ >> > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ >> > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki >> > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> Some useful websites - >> FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ >> FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ >> Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Glenda, Sorry for delay in replying. I'm afraid I only have 'L' and 'R' surnames. Joan 2009/11/5 glenda <[email protected]> > Hello Joan, > > I wonder, do you have other baptisms for Wath, apart from 'L' surnames? If > you do, I am seeking an Abigail MAWSON circa 1890 and any siblings. 'My' > Abigail MAWSON married a John ATLEY in 1815 I believe, again in Wath. If > you > could help with any of this I would be most grateful. > > With thanks, > > Glenda Atley > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joan Smith" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 1:59 AM > Subject: Re: [WRY] William LUNN c 1731 > > > > Dave, > > I have the baptisms for Wath from 1598 for surnames beginning "L", and > > these > > show two Lun (one 'n') entries as follows: > > > > Elizabeth, daughter of William, baptised 24th April 1759 > > > > Mary, daughter of William, baptised 31st July 1757 > > > > Their ages would appear to suggest they could be daughters of your > > William, > > but he is not there. > > > > There is a marriage for a Mary Lunn of Wath, 4th July 1779 to John > > Laughton > > of Mexborough > > > > I also have burials and these are the entries there: > > > > Elizabeth, daughter of William, buried 2nd March 1765 > > > > Catherine, wife of William, buried 24th February 1777 > > > > That's all I'm afraid, but hope it helps. > > > > Joan. > > > > > > > > 2009/11/4 Dave Lunn <[email protected]> > > > >> This is my first post - or at least my first for a very long time - so > be > >> gentle with me! > >> > >> I believe that William LUNN b. c 1731 (IGI) is the oldest relative, to > >> date, > >> that I have been able to source. > >> > >> On the IGI, it states his birth as being 'About 1731 of Wath Upon > Dearne, > >> Yorkshire, England'. > >> > >> Now I have plenty of relatives in that area of Yorkshire, so all things > >> are > >> positive with this. > >> > >> However, how do I go about verifying, if I can, his details? > >> > >> Many thanks for your help, > >> > >> Dave > >> > >> -- > >> Dave Lunn > >> m: 07920056546 > >> e: [email protected] > >> w: www.lunny68.co.uk > >> Skype: TheLunnFamily > >> Facebook: Dave Lunn > >> Twitter: lunny68 > >> > >> > >> > >> Some useful websites - > >> FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > >> FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > >> Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > Some useful websites - > > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Joan, thank you for your help, Dave On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:59 PM, Joan Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > Dave, > I have the baptisms for Wath from 1598 for surnames beginning "L", and > these > show two Lun (one 'n') entries as follows: > > Elizabeth, daughter of William, baptised 24th April 1759 > > Mary, daughter of William, baptised 31st July 1757 > > Their ages would appear to suggest they could be daughters of your William, > but he is not there. > > There is a marriage for a Mary Lunn of Wath, 4th July 1779 to John Laughton > of Mexborough > > I also have burials and these are the entries there: > > Elizabeth, daughter of William, buried 2nd March 1765 > > Catherine, wife of William, buried 24th February 1777 > > That's all I'm afraid, but hope it helps. > > Joan. > > > > 2009/11/4 Dave Lunn <[email protected]> > > > This is my first post - or at least my first for a very long time - so be > > gentle with me! > > > > I believe that William LUNN b. c 1731 (IGI) is the oldest relative, to > > date, > > that I have been able to source. > > > > On the IGI, it states his birth as being 'About 1731 of Wath Upon Dearne, > > Yorkshire, England'. > > > > Now I have plenty of relatives in that area of Yorkshire, so all things > are > > positive with this. > > > > However, how do I go about verifying, if I can, his details? > > > > Many thanks for your help, > > > > Dave > > > > -- > > Dave Lunn > > m: 07920056546 > > e: [email protected] > > w: www.lunny68.co.uk > > Skype: TheLunnFamily > > Facebook: Dave Lunn > > Twitter: lunny68 > > > > > > > > Some useful websites - > > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Dave Lunn m: 07920056546 e: [email protected] w: www.lunny68.co.uk Skype: TheLunnFamily Facebook: Dave Lunn Twitter: lunny68

Hi Think that Skipton had a bit of a battle on the King's side, the English civil war divided the nation regardless of rank regards Terry (temp in a warm Athens looking at the snow in the Arendal area on the Agderposten web camera, 0 > To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 03:49:02 -0500 > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WRY] Batley - Protestation Returns > > > Chris, > As far as I know, the returns are kept in the House of Lords Record Office, where you have to make an appointment for access. I'm not aware of any Yorkshire transcriptions kept independently, but maybe other listers might know. I didn't know Batley was a Royalist stronghold: I always thought the West Riding was staunchly for the Parliamentarians as a result of non-conformist leanings. > Good luck! > Maggie > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ChrisB <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:02 > Subject: [WRY] Batley - Protestation Returns > > > > > > > > > > > Help Please. > Can anyone help me locate a copy of the 1642 Protestation Returns for > Batley? > I believe William BROXSOME moved from Blackburn (in that other County) to > Batley due to the Civil War but don't know why. > Blackburn was a Parliamentary stronghold and I wonder if he and others were > made 'less than welcome' during the troubles and moved as a group to Batley > with the help of a Royalist benefactor. > I am hoping the list of names might identify non-Batley families who might > be traced back to Blackburn. > > Chris Broscomb > > > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > > > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_2:092009

Hi Many years ago I wrote to House of Lords Re Protestation records for the Castleford/Methly areas, and to my amazement I was sent quite a lot of information. I had to pay a fee, but not sure what it was as it is many years ago. The Rolls were very informative and there were a few of my family on the Rolls Hope this helps Regards John ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [WRY] Batley - Protestation Returns > > Chris, > As far as I know, the returns are kept in the House of Lords Record > Office, where you have to make an appointment for access. I'm not aware of > any Yorkshire transcriptions kept independently, but maybe other listers > might know. I didn't know Batley was a Royalist stronghold: I always > thought the West Riding was staunchly for the Parliamentarians as a result > of non-conformist leanings. > Good luck! > Maggie > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ChrisB <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:02 > Subject: [WRY] Batley - Protestation Returns > > > > > > > > > > > Help Please. > Can anyone help me locate a copy of the 1642 Protestation Returns for > Batley? > I believe William BROXSOME moved from Blackburn (in that other County) to > Batley due to the Civil War but don't know why. > Blackburn was a Parliamentary stronghold and I wonder if he and others > were > made 'less than welcome' during the troubles and moved as a group to > Batley > with the help of a Royalist benefactor. > I am hoping the list of names might identify non-Batley families who might > be traced back to Blackburn. > > Chris Broscomb > > > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > > > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Steve Thanks for the info - all these snippets help build up the bigger picture. All that's left of the houses are the back-cellars built into the hillside. I have a low-res photo if you're interested. Best Wishes, Andy. At 19:50 05/11/2009, you wrote: >Hi Andy > >John Moor 1760 - 1833 married my gt gt gt gt grandfather's sister Martha Walker in 1821, he had previously been married to Ann Illingworth for which they had 12 children. John was a woollen manufacturer. > >Hope this helps > >Regards > >Steve Whitwam > >Golcar, Huddersfield >http://www.whitwam.co.uk >For those tracing their ancestors from the Colne Valley near HUddersfield > > >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:42:37 +0000 >> From: Andy Micklethwaite >> Subject: [WRY] Johnny Moore's Hill, Upper Brow Road, Paddock, >> Huddersfield >> To: [email protected] >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> In the summer I visited Johnny Moore's Hill, Upper Brow Road, Paddock, Huddersfield and took a photograph on my phone - unfortunately the resolution isn't good enough for me to identify the name of the property - other than Xxxxxx Cottage. It's the house that's where Johnny Moore's Hill used to be - apparently there were kennels there till a couple of years ago. It's about 100 yards below where Upper Brow Road crosses the railway line, just by where the public footpath goes down those stone steps. Any local knowledge gratefully received. >> Best Wishes, Andy.

Chris, As far as I know, the returns are kept in the House of Lords Record Office, where you have to make an appointment for access. I'm not aware of any Yorkshire transcriptions kept independently, but maybe other listers might know. I didn't know Batley was a Royalist stronghold: I always thought the West Riding was staunchly for the Parliamentarians as a result of non-conformist leanings. Good luck! Maggie -----Original Message----- From: ChrisB <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:02 Subject: [WRY] Batley - Protestation Returns Help Please. Can anyone help me locate a copy of the 1642 Protestation Returns for Batley? I believe William BROXSOME moved from Blackburn (in that other County) to Batley due to the Civil War but don't know why. Blackburn was a Parliamentary stronghold and I wonder if he and others were made 'less than welcome' during the troubles and moved as a group to Batley with the help of a Royalist benefactor. I am hoping the list of names might identify non-Batley families who might be traced back to Blackburn. Chris Broscomb Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Alan: I hadn't heard of this project. Maggie -----Original Message----- From: John Longbottom <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:46 Subject: Re: [WRY] Southowram abodes in 1841 The Your National Archives - Historical Streets Project shows that Pineberry Bank is the district quoted. Pineberry Bank Southowram HO 107/1303 10 4-50 Pineberry Bank Southowram HO 107/1303 11 4-11 Alan Longbottom -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Elaine Nash Sent: 05 November 2009 17:36 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WRY] Southowram abodes in 1841 Hi Maggie Have you looked at the enumerators page? I think after looking at this page it could be Pineberry Bank, we have looked at a modern map and cannot find it there now. Have sent you copy of page off list. Elaine --- On Thu, 5/11/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [WRY] Southowram abodes in 1841 To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, 5 November, 2009, 5:05 PM Hi List, Has anyone found what the following address means in the 1841 census return for Southowram, Halifax? P.B. Premises It applies to a whole section, 20 pages, and this is the entry on the first line: after that, with very few exceptions, it says P.B. do (for ditto). The reference is HO107/1303/10 and the enumeration page schedules run from 4 to 24: if you want to check it via a name, use Peter Crowther, there's only one of him. I am bemused by it! thanks Maggie Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Andy John Moor 1760 - 1833 married my gt gt gt gt grandfather's sister Martha Walker in 1821, he had previously been married to Ann Illingworth for which they had 12 children. John was a woollen manufacturer. Hope this helps Regards Steve Whitwam Golcar, Huddersfield http://www.whitwam.co.uk For those tracing their ancestors from the Colne Valley near HUddersfield > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:42:37 +0000 > From: Andy Micklethwaite > Subject: [WRY] Johnny Moore's Hill, Upper Brow Road, Paddock, > Huddersfield > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > In the summer I visited Johnny Moore's Hill, Upper Brow Road, Paddock, Huddersfield and took a photograph on my phone - unfortunately the resolution isn't good enough for me to identify the name of the property - other than Xxxxxx Cottage. It's the house that's where Johnny Moore's Hill used to be - apparently there were kennels there till a couple of years ago. It's about 100 yards below where Upper Brow Road crosses the railway line, just by where the public footpath goes down those stone steps. Any local knowledge gratefully received. > Best Wishes, Andy. > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the WEST-RIDING list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the WEST-RIDING mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 4, Issue 286 > ******************************************* > >

The Your National Archives - Historical Streets Project shows that Pineberry Bank is the district quoted. Pineberry Bank Southowram HO 107/1303 10 4-50 Pineberry Bank Southowram HO 107/1303 11 4-11 Alan Longbottom -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Elaine Nash Sent: 05 November 2009 17:36 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WRY] Southowram abodes in 1841 Hi Maggie Have you looked at the enumerators page?  I  think after looking at this page it could be Pineberry Bank, we have looked at a modern map and cannot find it there now. Have sent you copy of page off list.   Elaine --- On Thu, 5/11/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [WRY] Southowram abodes in 1841 To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, 5 November, 2009, 5:05 PM Hi List, Has anyone found what the following address means in the 1841 census return for Southowram, Halifax? P.B. Premises It applies to a whole section, 20 pages, and this is the entry on the first line: after that, with very few exceptions, it says P.B. do (for ditto). The reference is HO107/1303/10 and the enumeration page schedules run from 4 to 24: if you want to check it via a name, use Peter Crowther, there's only one of him. I am bemused by it! thanks Maggie Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message