Hi Jean I'm not sure exactly what it is that you want to clarify, but from sight of the page, this is the information regarding their marital status Elizabeth was a widow, married 33 years, 6 children born, 5 living, 1 died Mary Ann married 10 years, 3 children born, 3 living Anne married ? years, 2 children born, 1 living, 1 died Robert Hugh married 7 years, 2 children born, 2 living Martha May married 1 year, 1 child born, 0 living, 1 died Ruth Alice single No relationship status is recorded. >From Ancestry, these are the marriage years for each child Mary Ellen Haigh married in 1899 in Huddersfield RD Martha May Haigh married in 1910 in Huddersfield RD Annie Haigh married in 1905 in Huddersfield RD Robert Hugh Haigh married in 1904 in Huddersfield RD, spouse - Emma Woodhouse Hope that helps, Regards, Sally ---------------------------------------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 08:12:30 +1030 > Subject: Re: [WRY] 1911 Census > > I am currently subscribed to Ancestry.com and therefore I don't have access > to this census and decided to wait it out until it is included, however I am > starting to receive information from 1911 census occasionally from people > who have either paid to look it up or have access to it through Findmypast. > The information I have which I am curious to clarify (if anyone can do a > look up without spending money) is of Elizabeth HAIGH widow aged 53 living > at Queen Street Paddock. It lists others in the house Mary Ellen aged 31 > Married a woollen weaver Annie married 29 Cotton Piecer, Martha May, 27 > Cloth Presser, an unnamed HAIGH aged 25 cotton piecer and Ruth Alice HAIGH > age 19 woollen weaver. > > Mary Ellen m Saffron LEES > Martha May m Herbert MELLOR (could be after 1911) > Annie m Shaw PEEL > Ruth Alice also married William Henry SPENCE. 15th April 1911 > Now I am wondering if this could be the reason they are all in Queen Street. > > Ancestry.com is quite a different programme to when I first looked at it and > we build our family tree on line and this has allowed me to connect with > each of these lines and my head is spinning with the amount of information I > am receiving. So I decided to try to record everything I know about each > person and the family lines. I started with Elizabeth JONES who married > John HAIGH, and simply recording the data I have in written form which I > hope will be easy for my descendents to understand I have 3 pages and I feel > I have come to know Elizabeth (who I never met but husband says he did as a > young child). > > It is really useful to join our bits of family information across the links > to create a larger picture. I bought the Ancestry family Tree Maker because > I didn't want to have to subscribe to read my Family Tree but I found it too > hard to use. However I decided to look at the tutorials and whilst I can > still learn more I can now access my internet data and merge it into my > family tree and it is through this I have been able to contact others > interested in these families. > > I am also enjoying the opportunity to share the certificates I have bought > with others who are interested in them. as well as photos and family gossip. > The only downside is I am realising how old we are getting when most of my > connections are in their late 70s and how little time there is to get this > work completed for the next generations who have been born into a world so > different from the one we knew and the ones our ancestors lived in. > > Jean in S. Australia. > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If anybody is in the W Yorkshire archives, I would be very grateful if they could look up the following marriage which I have gleaned from IGI as it will be a while before I can visit again 2 July 1797 Joshua Northorp (or possibly Northrop) Hanah Bottomley Also baptism of John Northrop/Northorp 17 Nov 1799 If any other children are immediately obvious, can you please let me have details of those as well. Thank you JON WOOD Derbyshire

Eileen I live in Woking, Surrey so maybe able to help. There's Surrey Family History centre here which may hold some marriage records, and also the local electoral lists c 1978, and newspaper archives (My ancestral families are all Yorkshire in origin! so I hardly use the centre). It would be helpful to know whether Henry the son of Thomas was married in a church, chapel, or local registry office and to whom! - and do you have a date of the marriage As Henry was 57 years old at the time of his marriage (first?) it's probable that any siblings were also relatively old too - already married? with their own families. Other marriages may also have been in Woking - and these siblings also living in Woking area in early post war period. There is only one WILLS presently listed in the telephone directory local to Sheerwater For your information, St. Michael's Road Sheerwater is in a post war council estate built to house Londoners when there was a move out to the suburbs. Many houses subsequently were owner occupied. It seems likely that Thomas Wills originally came from London. Needless to say, "offices" will only re-open next week so it may take time to do any checks - and I'm catching up with outstanding jobs inc. FHS annual subs etc Richard -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eileen Sent: 01 January 2010 7:53 PM To: Westriding Subject: [WRY] WILLS, Thomas Henry - census lookup please Happy new year.   Could some one take a look for Thomas Henry Wills, listed as still living on his son's marriage certificate in 1978 ( son's name Henry Wills born approx 1921, age 57 at time of marriage in 1978,   hoping to locate Thomas with wife and maybe siblings of Henry   Marriage took place in Woking Surrey,  address on marriage cert. for Henry was given as St. Michael's Road Sheerwater, Woking Surrey .   Bride's father was listed as (deceased)  I'm assuming that Thomas was still alive because they did not write (deceased) under his name on the cert.   many thanks Eileen Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Eileen, Sorry, but I'm a bit confused as to which census you would want a look up from? The latest one published is for 1911. Also, this list covers the West Riding of Yorkshire, not Surrey, so any connections would more likely be found by subscribing to one of the rootsweb lists that does, like :http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-SURREY.html Happy New Year! Kind Regards, Sally ---------------------------------------- > Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:52:34 -0800 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [WRY] WILLS, Thomas Henry - census lookup please > > Happy new year. > > Could some one take a look for Thomas Henry Wills, listed as still living on his son's marriage certificate in 1978 ( son's name Henry Wills born approx 1921, age 57 at time of marriage in 1978, hoping to locate Thomas with wife and maybe siblings of Henry > > Marriage took place in Woking Surrey, address on marriage cert. for Henry was given as > St. Michael's Road Sheerwater, Woking Surrey . > > Bride's father was listed as (deceased) I'm assuming that Thomas was still alive because they did not write (deceased) under his name on the cert. > > many thanks > Eileen > > > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Happy new year.   Could some one take a look for Thomas Henry Wills, listed as still living on his son's marriage certificate in 1978 ( son's name Henry Wills born approx 1921, age 57 at time of marriage in 1978,   hoping to locate Thomas with wife and maybe siblings of Henry   Marriage took place in Woking Surrey,  address on marriage cert. for Henry was given as St. Michael's Road Sheerwater, Woking Surrey .   Bride's father was listed as (deceased)  I'm assuming that Thomas was still alive because they did not write (deceased) under his name on the cert.   many thanks Eileen

Hi Carolyn, Our ancestors did travel a fair bit so it is not too surprising that she went from Hull to Stanley to Harrogate. You could try narrowing her death down a bit by looking for the ones who didn't travel but were in the same census each time - ie the one of the same age who died in Halifax but always lived in Halifax is prob not her. It is a slog but can be worthwhile. Otherwise it is very difficult as she could have boarded with one of her children if she turned ill before she died and they could have been anywhere. You have def found the right one as the children are the right age and names. One of her children could have moved to the Harrogate area and she followed on being widowed so it is worth trying to follow up on all of them. Hard with a name like Turner, I know! You could try the rootsweb lists for the Harrogate area and see if anyone has any ideas and links to burials which might help. Perhaps she would be mentioned in a directory after 1861 to further pinpoint the year of death. Sorry, can't think of much else and none of it is a huge help! Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn McCartney" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 9:30 PM Subject: [WRY] Sarah TURNER > > Dear Listers, > I am just wondering if anyone can help me or point me in the right > direction > please? My 4x g grandmother, Sarah HOLBORN was born 1794 in South Cave. > She > married Timothy TURNER in 1815 (he was bapt in Beverley 1791) and they had > 7 > children in Rowley, nr Hull, that I know of: Eliza Ann, James Binnington, > Sarah Maria, Emma, John Holborn, Marmaduke and Charles. > I haven't been able to find very much about the family apart from possible > marriages for James & John and that Emma & Sarah Maria were teachers & > moved > in the census to Coatham by 1891. The family were in Kelfield, > Stillingfleet > in 1841, Stanley-cum-Wrenthorpe in 1851 and I think Timothy died in the > Pontefract district in Jul-Dec 1859 but I haven't bought this certificate > yet. After that I think I have found Sarah as a widow in the 1861 census > living in Northumberland Place, Harrogate as a Lodging House Keeper. Her > husband Timothy had been a farmer/cow keeper so this is quite a step away > from that and also, after looking on google maps I see that Harrogate is > quite some distance from Stanley-cum-Wrenthorpe/Pontefract. I cannot find > her in the 1871 census so presume she died between 61-71. However, there > are > lots of Sarah Turner deaths in West Riding covering those dates and I just > wondered if anyone can tell me how I can narrow them down a bit before > buying a certificate? Perhaps I am barking up the wrong tree??? > > If any of these names ring any bells with any of you, I would love to hear > from you. > > > > Wishing you all a very Happy & Healthy New Year. > > Carolyn > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Listers, I am just wondering if anyone can help me or point me in the right direction please? My 4x g grandmother, Sarah HOLBORN was born 1794 in South Cave. She married Timothy TURNER in 1815 (he was bapt in Beverley 1791) and they had 7 children in Rowley, nr Hull, that I know of: Eliza Ann, James Binnington, Sarah Maria, Emma, John Holborn, Marmaduke and Charles. I haven't been able to find very much about the family apart from possible marriages for James & John and that Emma & Sarah Maria were teachers & moved in the census to Coatham by 1891. The family were in Kelfield, Stillingfleet in 1841, Stanley-cum-Wrenthorpe in 1851 and I think Timothy died in the Pontefract district in Jul-Dec 1859 but I haven't bought this certificate yet. After that I think I have found Sarah as a widow in the 1861 census living in Northumberland Place, Harrogate as a Lodging House Keeper. Her husband Timothy had been a farmer/cow keeper so this is quite a step away from that and also, after looking on google maps I see that Harrogate is quite some distance from Stanley-cum-Wrenthorpe/Pontefract. I cannot find her in the 1871 census so presume she died between 61-71. However, there are lots of Sarah Turner deaths in West Riding covering those dates and I just wondered if anyone can tell me how I can narrow them down a bit before buying a certificate? Perhaps I am barking up the wrong tree??? If any of these names ring any bells with any of you, I would love to hear from you. Wishing you all a very Happy & Healthy New Year. Carolyn

Hello Maggie, Anything is worth a shot if your nights are sleepless enough :o) Ancestry has two marriages of Crowther with Broadbent, but only one with the surnames attributed the right way round. It may even be that Irving had a sister called Mary that married Ethel's brother, Albert... Irving Crowther 1914 Broadbent Halifax Yorkshire Mary A Crowther 1915 Broadbent Halifax Yorkshire : Name: Mary A Crowther Year of Registration: 1915 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Spouse's Surname: Broadbent District: Halifax County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire Volume: 9a Page: 1214 The next date for a match for the Crowther/Broadbent marriage link up isn't until 1943 according to the website and interestingly, all 6 of these surname matches take place in Yorkshire. Hope the information turns out to be more than a co-incidence! Regards, Sally > Aha! I hadn't checked the negative, Sally: if there are no more marriages, it means I should probably obtain at least one of those certs to see what is going on. Thanks very much for the suggestion. > best wishes > Maggie

> immediately went to live in Newcastle, so I'd expect births to be there. Hi Maggie, Not everyone did this but it seems to me to have been very common for young mothers to go home to their own mother for the arrival of their first babies - then subsequent children usually born in the new home area. Just a thought that your couple could have done that. My g-grandmother was born in St Bees because her mother's mother lived there - but the rest of the family was born in Upper or Nether Poppleton. Best wishes, Mary

Hi Celia, This information is very helpful. Although I have read a lot of English history, I had no idea that the PRs were destroyed, in some cases, during the Civil War. The area of YKS where I usually work does not have this problem. I am hoping that my Horseman/Horsman family are registering births and marriages somewhere that the PRs were not destroyed. Sadly, I may be done. I will do the wills of the Masham peculiar for this period and I may find someone and I will also check out some adjacent parishes. I have the NIPR for West Riding and I checked it out for Kirkby Malzeard. I realize that this time period is really distant for many but it is where I am stuck on many of my English families. Of course, as Quakers, my family were dissenters and I have been searching the Quaker records of YKS for them. I have one more Monthly Meeting to search. Living in Stonebeck Down (my guess), I am thinking maybe their records are in the Richmond Monthly Meeting. Of course, this process is iterative and the Stonebeck Down location just came to me a month ago. Janet Sugden Thomas On Dec 29, 2009, at 8:04 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: York records ([email protected]) > 2. Re: WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 4, Issue 327 (janet thomas) > 3. Re: WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 4, Issue 327 (Celia Renshaw) > 4. Re: WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 4, Issue 328 (Ron Costello) > 5. Re: WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 4, Issue 328 - For Ron > (sally roberts) > 6. Re: WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 4, Issue 328 (Celia Renshaw) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:56:41 -0500 > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WRY] York records > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Thank you, Sally: yes, I've got all these births noted but they seem > to me (without spending money on certificates) to be a different > Crowther-Broadbent family. Irving married Ethel on Boxing Day 1914 > in Sowerby, Halifax but they immediately went to live in Newcastle, > so I'd expect births to be there. Certainly the 1912 one isn't to my > couple, implying that there certainly was at least one more such > family. I didn't find any name pattern for either Irving's nor > Ethel's families, either, so these names are on the back boiler. > > I went through all the military records to tie in with any Irving > Crowthers (I know of around 8-10 in the period), and none of them > fit. There was even one Irving who was practically a neighbour, if > you can call Northowram and Ovenden neighbours, but completely > unrelated. Another ended up in Trenton New Jersey as a potter!! > > Right now I'm pinning my hopes on that death in York, and maybe I'll > check out if there was a will, that might be the simplest way forward. > > best wishes > Maggie > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sally roberts <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:59 > Subject: Re: [WRY] York records > > > > Hi Maggie, > > On freebmd they have these entries for Crowther children born with a > mother's > maiden name of Broadbent... > > Births Jun 1912 Crowther Clarice Broadbent Bradford 9b 160 > Births Mar 1915 Crowther Edith Broadbent Bradford 9b 197 > Births Jun 1915 Crowther Jack Broadbent Holbeck 9b 919 > Births Mar 1923 Crowther Jack B Broadbent Bradford 9b 146 > > Are you aware of any of Irving's family names that may have been > given to his > children? > > Have you tried looking for Military records? Have you ruled out this > chap, for > example? > > Name: Irving Crowther > Residence: Halifax > Death Date: 27 Mar 1918 > Enlistment Location: Huddersfield, Yorks > Rank: Private > Regiment: Prince of Wales's Own (West Yorkshire Regiment) > Battalion: 15/17th Battalion. > Number: 41625 > Type of Casualty: Killed in action > Theatre of War: Aldershot > > Regards, > Sally > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of > the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 05:06:44 -0500 > From: janet thomas <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WRY] WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 4, Issue 327 > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Hi Colin, > > I would expect registers prior to 1653 because the parish was an > ancient one. Why do the records start so late? Alternately, I was > wondering was whether a nearby parish would have been a spot for > marriages, baptisms, etc. Or perhaps, the records were lost or just in > terrible condition (like Haworth - a constant frustration for me)? > What I find in London research is that parishes come and go as the > City changes. In YKS, there is not the same level of growth and > change, but there are churches created in the 1700s and 1800s > particularly. Is there some other place to look for records for > someone living in Stonebeck Down in the 1670s? > > Janet > > > On Dec 26, 2009, at 3:01 AM, [email protected] wrote: > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Kirkby Malzeard Parish Registers/Marmaduke Horseman >> (Colin Hinson) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:51:05 +0000 >> From: Colin Hinson <[email protected]> >> Subject: [WRY] Kirkby Malzeard Parish Registers/Marmaduke Horseman >> To: [email protected] >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >> >> Hi Janet, >> Have you information that would lead you to believe that there were >> parish registers before 1653 ? 1653 is the earliest date in Colin >> Blanshard Withers's book and would probably be correct for the start >> of the registers. Kirkby Malzeard was an ancient parish and so the >> records would be there (i.e. at the parish church) as opposed to >> Pateley Bridge which was a chapelry of Ripon. (See the Genuki pages >> for more information). >> >> Best wishes, >> Colin Hinson >> >> In the village of Blunham in Bedfordshire U.K. >> Webmaster for the Genuki Yorkshire pages: >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ >> Old and Rare Yorkshire Books on searchable CDroms: >> http://www.YorkshireCDbooks.com >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>> Does anyone know what happened to the Kirkby Malzeard PRs for the >>> years prior to 1653? Are they just lost or were they recorded >>> somewhere else, like Patley Bridge? >>> >>> I am searching for a Marmaduke Horseman (Quaker) who went to New >>> Jersey in 1679 with a family (dau Susannah b. abt 1665 - m. 1686 in >>> NJ) and I think that he may have been from Kirkby Malzeard. I find 2 >>> Marmaduke Horsemans in the 1672 Hearth Tax rolls living in Stonebeck >>> Down, which is in Kirkby Malzeard parish. There are no other >>> Marmaduke >>> Horsemans in the Hearth Tax rolls in West YKS in 1672. There should >>> be >>> a marriage and birth of children in England. I have looked at the >>> Kirkby Malzeard PR transcripts and do not find the family. Now, I >>> have >>> not looked at the original registers, so I do not know what they >>> look >>> like or whether there are huge gaps. Has anyone seen the actual >>> registers? Of course, part of the problem may be the Interregnum >>> but I >>> many events would have been prior to that, including Marmaduke's >>> birth. >>> >>> Interestingly, there is a Marmaduke Horseman who was hung at York >>> Castle in 1670 for murdering a gamekeeper. One of the Marmaduke >>> Horseman Stonebeck Down hearths was "empty" in 1672. Perhaps the >>> murder Marmaduke? >>> >>> By the way, the IGI gives a marriage for the Quaker Marmaduke >>> Horseman >>> in 1634 in Keighley. The Keighley PR entry from the transcript gives >>> no more information than the date of the marriage and name of the >>> parties. The date and location seem wrong to me for this Marmaduke >>> Horseman. >>> >>> There are also several Marmaduke Horsemans in the baptisms at Ripon >>> in >>> the 1620s and 30s who could be the right one, but who knows? I have >>> not found a will that clears that up for me. >>> >>> Merry Christmas to All, >>> Janet Sugden Thomas, Stamford CT >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the WEST-RIDING list administrator, send an email to >> [email protected] >> >> To post a message to the WEST-RIDING mailing list, send an email to [email protected] >> . >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 4, Issue 327 >> ******************************************* > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:57:31 -0000 > From: "Celia Renshaw" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WRY] WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 4, Issue 327 > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Janet, there can be a variety of reasons for the registers of > ancient > parishes to only run from a mid-17th century date. One of the most > common > is that the registers dating up to the 1650s were lost in the Civil > War, > either destroyed, or taken away and never returned. Here in > Derbyshire > there aren't many parishes with registers (or even BTs) before the > 1650s, > which makes things incredibly difficult. I've been told the reason > for this > is destruction of records at the Diocesan HQ in Lichfield during the > fighting, as well as loss of records in parishes themselves. > > It's worth asking the relevant Archives responsible for your > parishes of > interest for a history of those registers, or you can look in the > Society of > Genealogists National Index of Parish Registers (series of slim county > volumes, available in libraries, or to purchase). GENUKI pages for > Yorkshire parishes usually give the dates of surviving PRs and BTs > too. > > If the non-existence of early PRs is not the problem, there are a > number of > other possibilities. As you say, the family may have used another > nearby > parish. (GENUKI gives a list of nearby places for each location.) > They may > also have been dissenters, or they may have moved about between > religious > affiliations, as many people chose or were forced to do during the > 17th > century. So it's also worth looking at whatever non-conformist > records > exist for your parish and wider area (Archives will tell you). Early > dissenters often travelled considerable distances to the nearest > available > meeting, which may even have been in an adjoining county. > > Hope this helps. > > Celia Renshaw > In Chesterfield UK > Bringing lost ancestors home: www.morganhold.com > Free strays database; affordable family research services > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of janet thomas > Sent: 29 December 2009 10:07 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WRY] WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 4, Issue 327 > > Hi Colin, > > I would expect registers prior to 1653 because the parish was an > ancient one. Why do the records start so late? Alternately, I was > wondering was whether a nearby parish would have been a spot for > marriages, baptisms, etc. Or perhaps, the records were lost or just in > terrible condition (like Haworth - a constant frustration for me)? > What I find in London research is that parishes come and go as the > City changes. In YKS, there is not the same level of growth and > change, but there are churches created in the 1700s and 1800s > particularly. Is there some other place to look for records for > someone living in Stonebeck Down in the 1670s? > > Janet > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:35:30 -0800 (PST) > From: Ron Costello <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WRY] WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 4, Issue 328 > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I notice Sally referenced a free BMD?? What is this website > address?? I have been using the http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/ site > which only refers to the listing of a birth by childs name and does > not name the parents unless you buy a copy of the certificate and > have it sent to you. > > Would be very interested in learning more. > > Gratefully, > > Ron > > --- On Tue, 12/29/09, [email protected] <[email protected] > > wrote: > > From: [email protected] <[email protected] > > > Subject: WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 4, Issue 328 > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 3:01 AM > > > > Today's Topics: > > ???1.? York records ([email protected]) > ???2. Re:? York records (sally roberts) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:47:38 EST > From: [email protected] > Subject: [WRY] York records > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Dear Listers, > > As it's quiet on the list, I hope you don't mind my asking about > records? > just outside the West Riding. I've got out of my depth! > > I'm tracking the life of Irving CROWTHER, born in Halifax 5 Feb > 1884. I? > have obtained the death certificate for an Irving CROWTHER for a > death on > first? of June 1967, correct age of 83 years. There really are very > few > candidates of? this name, so I'm reasonably confident this is my man. > > But frustratingly, he died as a result of being "struck by a motor > cycle? > whilst walking on the highway" and was taken to Poppleton Gate > Hospital, in? > York. There was an inquest: the certificate was received by the > Registrar > from? the Coroner for the City of York, and makes no mention of > family members > at all.? His address is given as 33 Boroughbridge Road York, but I > have no > addresses for? him between then and 1914 when he lived in Newcastle > on Tyne, > so can't use that? for continuity. If I can confirm any family > members, I > think I can accept this? is my man and make further checks - I'd > like to > know, for example, whether his? wife Ethel was still alive, and if > there were > any children. > > Can anyone please advise what newspapers would have carried the > report from > an inquest? or any funeral notice? I just don't know York at all, > and have > little to go on, so absolutely any suggestions are welcome! (I know, > the > first? one will be "join the York list"!!) > > Many thanks! > Maggie > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:59:16 +0000 > From: sally roberts <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WRY] York records > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hi Maggie, > > On freebmd they have these entries for Crowther children born with a > mother's maiden name of Broadbent... > > Births Jun 1912 Crowther? Clarice? Broadbent? Bradford? 9b 160 > Births Mar 1915 Crowther? Edith? Broadbent? Bradford? 9b 197 > Births Jun 1915 Crowther? Jack? Broadbent? Holbeck? 9b 919 > Births Mar 1923 Crowther? Jack B? Broadbent? Bradford? 9b 146 > > Are you aware of any of Irving's family names that may have been > given to his children? > > Have you tried looking for Military records? Have you ruled out this > chap, for example? > > Name: Irving Crowther > Residence: Halifax > Death Date: 27 Mar 1918 > Enlistment Location: Huddersfield, Yorks > Rank: Private > Regiment: Prince of Wales's Own (West Yorkshire Regiment) > Battalion: 15/17th Battalion. > Number: 41625 > Type of Casualty: Killed in action > Theatre of War: Aldershot > > Regards, > Sally ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the WEST-RIDING list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the WEST-RIDING mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > . > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 4, Issue 328 > ******************************************* > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:28:02 +0000 > From: sally roberts <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WRY] WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 4, Issue 328 - For Ron > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hi Ron, > > Mother's maiden names were not officially recorded in the index > until the September quarter of 1911. Some sites that transcribe bmd > databases have included mother's surnames prior to this date, but > it's a rare service :o) > > The freebmd website address is: http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl > and this will take you directly to the search page. The Ancestry > website appears to have the most complete databases for bmd > information, but this is on a subscription basis and not part of its > free to search records. > > Regards, > Sally > > > > ---------------------------------------- >> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:35:30 -0800 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [WRY] WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 4, Issue 328 >> >> I notice Sally referenced a free BMD? What is this website address? >> I have been using the http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/ site which >> only refers to the listing of a birth by childs name and does not >> name the parents unless you buy a copy of the certificate and have >> it sent to you. >> >> Would be very interested in learning more. >> >> Gratefully, >> >> Ron >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:02:53 -0000 > From: "Celia Renshaw" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WRY] WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 4, Issue 328 > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Ron, FreeBMD is at www.freebmd.org.uk but it only gives the same > info as > the GRO indexes themselves so you won't find more details than those > available from Yorkshirebmd, until you look at births after 1911 when > mother's maiden name was included in the indexes. > > Celia Renshaw > In Chesterfield UK > Bringing lost ancestors home: www.morganhold.com > Free strays database; affordable family research services > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Costello > Sent: 29 December 2009 11:36 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WRY] WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 4, Issue 328 > > I notice Sally referenced a free BMD?? What is this website > address?? I have > been using the http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/ site which only > refers to the > listing of a birth by childs name and does not name the parents > unless you > buy a copy of the certificate and have it sent to you. > > Would be very interested in learning more. > > Gratefully, > > Ron > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the WEST-RIDING list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the WEST-RIDING mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > . > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 4, Issue 329 > *******************************************

Hi Maggie, Obviously clerical errors may play a part here, but there is only one entry for a Crowther/Broadbent marriage in that time period and it is the one of Irving in 1914. My husband's grandmother had her first child to his grandfather 2 years before they married. The birth certificate was filled out as though they were already an official couple, with the child carrying the father's surname, and it is possible that this MAY have happened in this family's case. There are a couple of hits for Irvin Crowthers in the telephone directories, although other than addresses, it won't give you much else. Regards, Sally > Thank you, Sally: yes, I've got all these births noted but they seem to me (without spending money on certificates) to be a different Crowther-Broadbent family. Irving married Ethel on Boxing Day 1914 in Sowerby, Halifax but they immediately went to live in Newcastle, so I'd expect births to be there. Certainly the 1912 one isn't to my couple, implying that there certainly was at least one more such family. I didn't find any name pattern for either Irving's nor Ethel's families, either, so these names are on the back boiler. > > I went through all the military records to tie in with any Irving Crowthers (I know of around 8-10 in the period), and none of them fit. There was even one Irving who was practically a neighbour, if you can call Northowram and Ovenden neighbours, but completely unrelated. Another ended up in Trenton New Jersey as a potter!! > > Right now I'm pinning my hopes on that death in York, and maybe I'll check out if there was a will, that might be the simplest way forward. >

Aha! I hadn't checked the negative, Sally: if there are no more marriages, it means I should probably obtain at least one of those certs to see what is going on. Thanks very much for the suggestion. best wishes Maggie -----Original Message----- From: sally roberts <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:20 Subject: Re: [WRY] York records Hi Maggie, Obviously clerical errors may play a part here, but there is only one entry for a Crowther/Broadbent marriage in that time period and it is the one of Irving in 1914. My husband's grandmother had her first child to his grandfather 2 years before they married. The birth certificate was filled out as though they were already an official couple, with the child carrying the father's surname, and it is possible that this MAY have happened in this family's case. There are a couple of hits for Irvin Crowthers in the telephone directories, although other than addresses, it won't give you much else. Regards, Sally > Thank you, Sally: yes, I've got all these births noted but they seem to me (without spending money on certificates) to be a different Crowther-Broadbent family. Irving married Ethel on Boxing Day 1914 in Sowerby, Halifax but they immediately went to live in Newcastle, so I'd expect births to be there. Certainly the 1912 one isn't to my couple, implying that there certainly was at least one more such family. I didn't find any name pattern for either Irving's nor Ethel's families, either, so these names are on the back boiler. > > I went through all the military records to tie in with any Irving Crowthers (I know of around 8-10 in the period), and none of them fit. There was even one Irving who was practically a neighbour, if you can call Northowram and Ovenden neighbours, but completely unrelated. Another ended up in Trenton New Jersey as a potter!! > > Right now I'm pinning my hopes on that death in York, and maybe I'll check out if there was a will, that might be the simplest way forward. > Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

True enough, Mary: but mother was in Sowerby rather than Bradford or Holbeck, so still no validation for Sally's list of names. But it's a point definitely worth remembering. Many thanks! Maggie -----Original Message----- From: Mary Paton <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:17 Subject: Re: [WRY] York records > immediately went to live in Newcastle, so I'd expect births to be there. Hi Maggie, Not everyone did this but it seems to me to have been very common for young mothers to go home to their own mother for the arrival of their first babies - then subsequent children usually born in the new home area. Just a thought that your couple could have done that. My g-grandmother was born in St Bees because her mother's mother lived there - but the rest of the family was born in Upper or Nether Poppleton. Best wishes, Mary Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ron, FreeBMD is at www.freebmd.org.uk but it only gives the same info as the GRO indexes themselves so you won't find more details than those available from Yorkshirebmd, until you look at births after 1911 when mother's maiden name was included in the indexes. Celia Renshaw In Chesterfield UK Bringing lost ancestors home: www.morganhold.com Free strays database; affordable family research services -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Costello Sent: 29 December 2009 11:36 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WRY] WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 4, Issue 328 I notice Sally referenced a free BMD?  What is this website address?  I have been using the http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/ site which only refers to the listing of a birth by childs name and does not name the parents unless you buy a copy of the certificate and have it sent to you. Would be very interested in learning more. Gratefully, Ron

Hi Ron, Mother's maiden names were not officially recorded in the index until the September quarter of 1911. Some sites that transcribe bmd databases have included mother's surnames prior to this date, but it's a rare service :o) The freebmd website address is: http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl and this will take you directly to the search page. The Ancestry website appears to have the most complete databases for bmd information, but this is on a subscription basis and not part of its free to search records. Regards, Sally ---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:35:30 -0800 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WRY] WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 4, Issue 328 > > I notice Sally referenced a free BMD? What is this website address? I have been using the http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/ site which only refers to the listing of a birth by childs name and does not name the parents unless you buy a copy of the certificate and have it sent to you. > > Would be very interested in learning more. > > Gratefully, > > Ron >

Hi Janet, there can be a variety of reasons for the registers of ancient parishes to only run from a mid-17th century date. One of the most common is that the registers dating up to the 1650s were lost in the Civil War, either destroyed, or taken away and never returned. Here in Derbyshire there aren't many parishes with registers (or even BTs) before the 1650s, which makes things incredibly difficult. I've been told the reason for this is destruction of records at the Diocesan HQ in Lichfield during the fighting, as well as loss of records in parishes themselves. It's worth asking the relevant Archives responsible for your parishes of interest for a history of those registers, or you can look in the Society of Genealogists National Index of Parish Registers (series of slim county volumes, available in libraries, or to purchase). GENUKI pages for Yorkshire parishes usually give the dates of surviving PRs and BTs too. If the non-existence of early PRs is not the problem, there are a number of other possibilities. As you say, the family may have used another nearby parish. (GENUKI gives a list of nearby places for each location.) They may also have been dissenters, or they may have moved about between religious affiliations, as many people chose or were forced to do during the 17th century. So it's also worth looking at whatever non-conformist records exist for your parish and wider area (Archives will tell you). Early dissenters often travelled considerable distances to the nearest available meeting, which may even have been in an adjoining county. Hope this helps. Celia Renshaw In Chesterfield UK Bringing lost ancestors home: www.morganhold.com Free strays database; affordable family research services -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of janet thomas Sent: 29 December 2009 10:07 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WRY] WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 4, Issue 327 Hi Colin, I would expect registers prior to 1653 because the parish was an ancient one. Why do the records start so late? Alternately, I was wondering was whether a nearby parish would have been a spot for marriages, baptisms, etc. Or perhaps, the records were lost or just in terrible condition (like Haworth - a constant frustration for me)? What I find in London research is that parishes come and go as the City changes. In YKS, there is not the same level of growth and change, but there are churches created in the 1700s and 1800s particularly. Is there some other place to look for records for someone living in Stonebeck Down in the 1670s? Janet

Hi Ron: Celia Has provided you the URL for FreeBMD but I would add that FreeBMD is the index for the GRO which covers all the England Reg'n districts, while YorkshireBMD covers the local registration offices for Yorkshire (at least those transcribed so far) Note that the YorkshireBMD is part of UKBMD which includes other counties. FreeBMD is indexed by quarters (of a year) while YorkshireBMD is by year Also the information in the two is not always the same. Sometimes an individual may appear in one index and not the other and the Local Indexes only give a middle initial and sometimes not the ages at death (in the earlier years when this was recorded) while the GRO gives the full names and sometimes ages at death that are not given in the local indexes So if you are searching in Yorkshire (especially around Hull & Leeds) then it pays to compare both indexes Mel Smith Whitby, Ontario, Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Celia Renshaw Sent: December 29, 2009 8:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WRY] WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 4, Issue 328 Hi Ron, FreeBMD is at www.freebmd.org.uk but it only gives the same info as the GRO indexes themselves so you won't find more details than those.......... <snip>

Hi Colin, I would expect registers prior to 1653 because the parish was an ancient one. Why do the records start so late? Alternately, I was wondering was whether a nearby parish would have been a spot for marriages, baptisms, etc. Or perhaps, the records were lost or just in terrible condition (like Haworth - a constant frustration for me)? What I find in London research is that parishes come and go as the City changes. In YKS, there is not the same level of growth and change, but there are churches created in the 1700s and 1800s particularly. Is there some other place to look for records for someone living in Stonebeck Down in the 1670s? Janet On Dec 26, 2009, at 3:01 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Kirkby Malzeard Parish Registers/Marmaduke Horseman > (Colin Hinson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:51:05 +0000 > From: Colin Hinson <[email protected]> > Subject: [WRY] Kirkby Malzeard Parish Registers/Marmaduke Horseman > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Hi Janet, > Have you information that would lead you to believe that there were > parish registers before 1653 ? 1653 is the earliest date in Colin > Blanshard Withers's book and would probably be correct for the start > of the registers. Kirkby Malzeard was an ancient parish and so the > records would be there (i.e. at the parish church) as opposed to > Pateley Bridge which was a chapelry of Ripon. (See the Genuki pages > for more information). > > Best wishes, > Colin Hinson > > In the village of Blunham in Bedfordshire U.K. > Webmaster for the Genuki Yorkshire pages: > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > Old and Rare Yorkshire Books on searchable CDroms: > http://www.YorkshireCDbooks.com > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> Does anyone know what happened to the Kirkby Malzeard PRs for the >> years prior to 1653? Are they just lost or were they recorded >> somewhere else, like Patley Bridge? >> >> I am searching for a Marmaduke Horseman (Quaker) who went to New >> Jersey in 1679 with a family (dau Susannah b. abt 1665 - m. 1686 in >> NJ) and I think that he may have been from Kirkby Malzeard. I find 2 >> Marmaduke Horsemans in the 1672 Hearth Tax rolls living in Stonebeck >> Down, which is in Kirkby Malzeard parish. There are no other >> Marmaduke >> Horsemans in the Hearth Tax rolls in West YKS in 1672. There should >> be >> a marriage and birth of children in England. I have looked at the >> Kirkby Malzeard PR transcripts and do not find the family. Now, I >> have >> not looked at the original registers, so I do not know what they look >> like or whether there are huge gaps. Has anyone seen the actual >> registers? Of course, part of the problem may be the Interregnum >> but I >> many events would have been prior to that, including Marmaduke's >> birth. >> >> Interestingly, there is a Marmaduke Horseman who was hung at York >> Castle in 1670 for murdering a gamekeeper. One of the Marmaduke >> Horseman Stonebeck Down hearths was "empty" in 1672. Perhaps the >> murder Marmaduke? >> >> By the way, the IGI gives a marriage for the Quaker Marmaduke >> Horseman >> in 1634 in Keighley. The Keighley PR entry from the transcript gives >> no more information than the date of the marriage and name of the >> parties. The date and location seem wrong to me for this Marmaduke >> Horseman. >> >> There are also several Marmaduke Horsemans in the baptisms at Ripon >> in >> the 1620s and 30s who could be the right one, but who knows? I have >> not found a will that clears that up for me. >> >> Merry Christmas to All, >> Janet Sugden Thomas, Stamford CT > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the WEST-RIDING list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the WEST-RIDING mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > . > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 4, Issue 327 > *******************************************

Thank you, Sally: yes, I've got all these births noted but they seem to me (without spending money on certificates) to be a different Crowther-Broadbent family. Irving married Ethel on Boxing Day 1914 in Sowerby, Halifax but they immediately went to live in Newcastle, so I'd expect births to be there. Certainly the 1912 one isn't to my couple, implying that there certainly was at least one more such family. I didn't find any name pattern for either Irving's nor Ethel's families, either, so these names are on the back boiler. I went through all the military records to tie in with any Irving Crowthers (I know of around 8-10 in the period), and none of them fit. There was even one Irving who was practically a neighbour, if you can call Northowram and Ovenden neighbours, but completely unrelated. Another ended up in Trenton New Jersey as a potter!! Right now I'm pinning my hopes on that death in York, and maybe I'll check out if there was a will, that might be the simplest way forward. best wishes Maggie -----Original Message----- From: sally roberts <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:59 Subject: Re: [WRY] York records Hi Maggie, On freebmd they have these entries for Crowther children born with a mother's maiden name of Broadbent... Births Jun 1912 Crowther Clarice Broadbent Bradford 9b 160 Births Mar 1915 Crowther Edith Broadbent Bradford 9b 197 Births Jun 1915 Crowther Jack Broadbent Holbeck 9b 919 Births Mar 1923 Crowther Jack B Broadbent Bradford 9b 146 Are you aware of any of Irving's family names that may have been given to his children? Have you tried looking for Military records? Have you ruled out this chap, for example? Name: Irving Crowther Residence: Halifax Death Date: 27 Mar 1918 Enlistment Location: Huddersfield, Yorks Rank: Private Regiment: Prince of Wales's Own (West Yorkshire Regiment) Battalion: 15/17th Battalion. Number: 41625 Type of Casualty: Killed in action Theatre of War: Aldershot Regards, Sally Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I notice Sally referenced a free BMD?  What is this website address?  I have been using the http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/ site which only refers to the listing of a birth by childs name and does not name the parents unless you buy a copy of the certificate and have it sent to you. Would be very interested in learning more. Gratefully, Ron --- On Tue, 12/29/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 4, Issue 328 To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 3:01 AM Today's Topics:    1.  York records ([email protected])    2. Re:  York records (sally roberts) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:47:38 EST From: [email protected] Subject: [WRY] York records To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Dear Listers, As it's quiet on the list, I hope you don't mind my asking about records  just outside the West Riding. I've got out of my depth! I'm tracking the life of Irving CROWTHER, born in Halifax 5 Feb 1884. I  have obtained the death certificate for an Irving CROWTHER for a death on first  of June 1967, correct age of 83 years. There really are very few candidates of  this name, so I'm reasonably confident this is my man. But frustratingly, he died as a result of being "struck by a motor cycle  whilst walking on the highway" and was taken to Poppleton Gate Hospital, in  York. There was an inquest: the certificate was received by the Registrar from  the Coroner for the City of York, and makes no mention of family members at all.  His address is given as 33 Boroughbridge Road York, but I have no addresses for  him between then and 1914 when he lived in Newcastle on Tyne, so can't use that  for continuity. If I can confirm any family members, I think I can accept this  is my man and make further checks - I'd like to know, for example, whether his  wife Ethel was still alive, and if there were any children. Can anyone please advise what newspapers would have carried the report from an inquest? or any funeral notice? I just don't know York at all, and have little to go on, so absolutely any suggestions are welcome! (I know, the first  one will be "join the York list"!!) Many thanks! Maggie ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:59:16 +0000 From: sally roberts <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WRY] York records To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Maggie, On freebmd they have these entries for Crowther children born with a mother's maiden name of Broadbent... Births Jun 1912 Crowther  Clarice  Broadbent  Bradford  9b 160 Births Mar 1915 Crowther  Edith  Broadbent  Bradford  9b 197 Births Jun 1915 Crowther  Jack  Broadbent  Holbeck  9b 919 Births Mar 1923 Crowther  Jack B  Broadbent  Bradford  9b 146 Are you aware of any of Irving's family names that may have been given to his children? Have you tried looking for Military records? Have you ruled out this chap, for example? Name: Irving Crowther Residence: Halifax Death Date: 27 Mar 1918 Enlistment Location: Huddersfield, Yorks Rank: Private Regiment: Prince of Wales's Own (West Yorkshire Regiment) Battalion: 15/17th Battalion. Number: 41625 Type of Casualty: Killed in action Theatre of War: Aldershot Regards, Sally                           ------------------------------ To contact the WEST-RIDING list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the WEST-RIDING mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 4, Issue 328 *******************************************