If I understand you correctly, this is your relationship with your new-found kin ... 2GGF brothers GGF GGF GF GF F F you her your children I've always understood that the number of generations different (in your case - 1) is the number of times 'removed'. Then the postition of cousins is the number of *shared* generations back to the sibling link - in your case - 3 So you and she are "3rd cousins once removed". Your children, however, will be straightforward "4th cousins" (as they and she are the same generation. I have to admit that it took me a long time to get to grips with working out relationships. I find that tables are clear but don't explain how the relationship is worked out. Heather (fron snowy east anglia) RICHARD SCALES wrote: > Hi List > In trying to get my kids to understand how an English ancestor and we are > connected---- > > I have made contact with a party in Barnsley---from what we both have > discovered---her 2 great grandfather and my Great grandfather were > brothers--how are we connected--she would be my ???---and I would be her > ???--can anyone fill in the question marks-----also how would she be > connected with my kids > > Sure hope someone can figure this out for me > My Regards > Richard------in cold and snowy Western Pennsylvania ---USA > > >

At 22:49 05/01/2010, you wrote: >I have made contact with a party in Barnsley---from what we both have >discovered---her 2 great grandfather and my Great grandfather were >brothers--how are we connected--she would be my ???---and I would be her >???--can anyone fill in the question marks-----also how would she be >connected with my kids Hi Richard I had a similar issue when I started - it's not always clear. If you just want a relationship calculator, there are plenty about, but I wrote one so I understood how it worked - feel free to try it: http://www.ancestryhost.org/andymick/couscalcintro.htm Your great grandfather was brother to the other branch, so your most recent common ancestor is your great great grandfather. So you and her father (being on the same generation) are 3rd cousins. She is however one generation further away from the MRCA so you and she are 3rd cousins once removed. HTH Andy. In cold and snowy Derbyshire.

Hi Richard Try this http://www.searchforancestors.com/utility/cousincalculator.html Hope it helps! Regards from snowy and cold Buckinghamshire, England Sally ---------------------------------------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:49:02 -0500 > Subject: [WRY] WONDERING??? > > Hi List > In trying to get my kids to understand how an English ancestor and we are > connected---- > > I have made contact with a party in Barnsley---from what we both have > discovered---her 2 great grandfather and my Great grandfather were > brothers--how are we connected--she would be my ???---and I would be her > ???--can anyone fill in the question marks-----also how would she be > connected with my kids > > Sure hope someone can figure this out for me > My Regards > Richard------in cold and snowy Western Pennsylvania ---USA > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm revisting my earlier work and updating.. I started with John LOCKWOOD senior in Meltham and had a great time. He lived from 1795-1867, he and his first wife had 7 children (the youngest is the John Lockwood we are descended from), then he married a second time and had a further 6 children. I researched through census all of these (only one is missing, we think he died young) and have stacks of information but of course the one that matters is elusive. John is in the 1841 and 1851 census he marries Ellen BROADBENT and he is under the same roof in 1861 census and that is where I lose him. Ellen has around 12 children although I suspect the younger ones may be grandchildren given the last one is born 1881. It appears from family memory that John went to America and from I think he was involved in the land rush in Oklahoma. Two of his sons also went although I don't know exactly when and after John died one or more of these sons returned to UK to try to share their father's money with their siblings but by this time our ancestor Elizabeth had died in childbirth and her children were illegitimate so couldn't inherit under American law at the time.. One son James H LOCKWOOD can be found in 1910 Census a farmer living in Oklahoma with wife Alice and 4 children John, Edith, Stella and James by 1920 he is in Guthrie Logan Oklahoma with wife and Stella and James. By 1930 he is a custodian of City Lakes in Oklahoma with wife Alice. In the 1900 census it states he owns his farm freehold which is a far cry from the circumstances he left behind in Meltham. James arrived in USA in 1888. So if anyone has access to Shipping details or a better understanding of the situation in America than I have and can find John, when he arrived and when he died it would be great. I recently thought another ancestor from a different line had returned from America by 1911 only to realise his mother had put him down as a child of hers along with his sisters and none of them were actually living with her. The youngest one might have been. I am actually finding the poverty faced by workers at this time somewhat depressing. We really fail to grasp how fortunate we are I think. Jean in S.Australia.

Hi Richard......does this help? _http://www.rhodesfamily.org.uk/people/relationship.html_ (http://www.rhodesfamily.org.uk/people/relationship.html) mary lou In a message dated 1/5/2010 3:50:20 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi List In trying to get my kids to understand how an English ancestor and we are connected---- I have made contact with a party in Barnsley---from what we both have discovered---her 2 great grandfather and my Great grandfather were brothers--how are we connected--she would be my ???---and I would be her ???--can anyone fill in the question marks-----also how would she be connected with my kids Sure hope someone can figure this out for me My Regards Richard------in cold and snowy Western Pennsylvania ---USA Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Colin I could be very interested in these South Anston parish registers, as I have ancestral Ellis relatives who lived in the adjoining parish of Dinnington, and I think some of them strayed over the border! My interest is time related - that is between the 1550's to late 1600's - as my ancestors turned from being church wardens to joining the Quakers in the late 1660's/early 1670's. They were then persecuted for non-payment of tithes and non-attendance at church. Any help would be appreciated! Kind regards Richard ps Bought some of your CDs..including Documentary History of Dinnington!* which was invaluable to my family research endeavours. Is Gerald Stratford still around and contactable? * Number of mentions of ancestral Ellis's - and I have subsequently found a "settlement" document in the York archives relating to my earliest known ancestor dated 1553 - received coloured copy on CD. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Colin Hinson Sent: 05 January 2010 9:50 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [WRY] GENUKI: South Anston Baptisms Dear all, For those with an interest in South Anston parish, I have just completed uploading transcriptions of the Baptisms for South Anston Parish registers. Jack Parry in the USA has spent many hours transcribing these from previous (typewritten script font) transcriptions done by the Wath and Mexborough archives (now defunct), so if you should find anything of interest, I'm sure Jack would much appreciate a "thank you" message. The email link is at the bottom of each page. Jack has also transcribed lots of PR and census data for Calverley, Leeds, Guiseley etc. all of which is to be found on the GENUKI Yorkshire site. Best wishes, Colin Hinson In the village of Blunham in Bedfordshire U.K. Webmaster for the Genuki Yorkshire pages: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ Old and Rare Yorkshire Books on searchable CDroms: http://www.YorkshireCDbooks.com Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List In trying to get my kids to understand how an English ancestor and we are connected---- I have made contact with a party in Barnsley---from what we both have discovered---her 2 great grandfather and my Great grandfather were brothers--how are we connected--she would be my ???---and I would be her ???--can anyone fill in the question marks-----also how would she be connected with my kids Sure hope someone can figure this out for me My Regards Richard------in cold and snowy Western Pennsylvania ---USA

Never mind - you have done great work so far - beats reading through each page. Many thanks Yvonne -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David O'Malley Sent: 05 January 2010 10:05 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WRY] Parish Register Society - Theory abandoned. Hi, That posting almost worked. The web address went to 2 lines (in my inbox copy) so if you copy and paste it, make sure anything on a second line is included; it should end ... publicdate&page=1 In the table, some of the coverage dates went to a second line although I'm sure you'll work out what it means. HOWEVER, when I checked the website this morning, the search 'parish register Yorkshire' produced 86 hits with the 5 newly uploaded items neither at the top nor the bottom of the list. So my listing method can't be updated without checking through the whole list. No thanks - theory abandoned. To recap; the list was sorted by 'date added' so I assumed any new additions would appear at the top (or bottom) of the list and could be tagged on easily. If anyone can find or suggest a way to easily update new additions onto the list, please let us know. Regards, Dom. Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, That posting almost worked. The web address went to 2 lines (in my inbox copy) so if you copy and paste it, make sure anything on a second line is included; it should end ... publicdate&page=1 In the table, some of the coverage dates went to a second line although I'm sure you'll work out what it means. HOWEVER, when I checked the website this morning, the search 'parish register Yorkshire' produced 86 hits with the 5 newly uploaded items neither at the top nor the bottom of the list. So my listing method can't be updated without checking through the whole list. No thanks - theory abandoned. To recap; the list was sorted by 'date added' so I assumed any new additions would appear at the top (or bottom) of the list and could be tagged on easily. If anyone can find or suggest a way to easily update new additions onto the list, please let us know. Regards, Dom.

Dear all, For those with an interest in South Anston parish, I have just completed uploading transcriptions of the Baptisms for South Anston Parish registers. Jack Parry in the USA has spent many hours transcribing these from previous (typewritten script font) transcriptions done by the Wath and Mexborough archives (now defunct), so if you should find anything of interest, I'm sure Jack would much appreciate a "thank you" message. The email link is at the bottom of each page. Jack has also transcribed lots of PR and census data for Calverley, Leeds, Guiseley etc. all of which is to be found on the GENUKI Yorkshire site. Best wishes, Colin Hinson In the village of Blunham in Bedfordshire U.K. Webmaster for the Genuki Yorkshire pages: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ Old and Rare Yorkshire Books on searchable CDroms: http://www.YorkshireCDbooks.com

THANK YOU, Dom You have saved so many of us soooooo much time :-) Much appreciated Heather David O'Malley wrote: > Hi, > > A couple of weeks ago I posted the webpage listing those Yorkshire Parish > Register Society volumes that were on-line with free access. I also > mentioned how poorly catalogued they were on the website and how the website > wasn't the easiest to navigate. > So, with nowt better to do in the dead week between Christmas & New Year, > I've tried to make sense of this very useful source (although it needs to be > repeated that this is a secondary source). If you copy and paste this link, > > www.archive.org/search.php?query=parish%20register%20yorkshire&sort=-publicd > ate&page=1 > > you should find a webpage with the search results listed by their uploading > date, i.e. the most recently uploaded at the top (I've assumed) of the list. > You've got the right page if Hampsthwaite is at the top of the list, this > being the most recently uploaded of the 81 listed. > Below, I've tabulated the parishes, alphabetically, with their position on > the webpage numbered. Otley is at the bottom of the list and is therefore > number 1 and many parishes have been uploaded more than once. Also listed > are the Yorkshire Parish Register Society's volume number, and the registers > coverage. > The next time a volume is uploaded, it should appear at the top of the > webpage listing and will become number 82 on my list. > That's the theory. > > Until I press 'go', I don't know if this table will translate to the mailing > list site, nor whether my explanation makes sense to you. If either doesn't > work I can copy the table off-list to anyone contacting me direct. > > As this is the only Yorkshire mailing list I subscribe to, feel free to > forward this to any other mailing lists for which it might be appropriate. > > Happy New Year, > Dom O'Malley. > > entry YPRS > position parish vol coverage > > 20 Aldborough (vol 1) 110 1538 - 1611 > 32,73 Allerton Mauleverer 31 1557 - 1812 > 8 Austerfield 39 1559 - 1812 > 27 Blacktoft 8 1700 - 1812 > 15,43 Bolton-by-Bolland(pt 1) 19 1558 - 1724 > 56 Bolton-by-Bolland 22 1725 - 1812 > 19,57,64 Brantingham 12 1653 - 1812 > 18,40,65,76 Cherry Burton 15 > b1597-1740,m1562-1740,d1561-1740 > 2 Danby-in-Cleveland 43 1585 - 1812 > 24 Darrington 49 1567 - 1812 > 61 Farnham 56 1569 - 1812 > Flockton (see Thornhill) > 75 Garforth 46 1631 - 1812 > 33,58,70 Gargrave 28 1558 - 1812 > 21 Great Ayton 90 1600 - 1812 > 39,42 Grinton in Swaledale 23 b&d1640-1807,m1640-1802 > 47 Hackness 25 1567 - 1783 > 37,80,81 Hampsthwaite (vol 1) 13 m1603-1807,b&d1603-1794 > 29 Harewood 50 > b1614-1812,m1621-1812 > 14,49,66 Hartshead 17 1612 - 1812 > 5 Hickleton 109 1626 - 1812 > 77 Howden (vol 1) 21 1543 - 1659 > 13,55 " (vol 2) 24 1543 - 1702 > 3 " 48 1725 - 1812 > 11,62 Horbury 3 1598 - 1812 > 36,60 Huggate 36 1539 - 1812 > 51 Kirk Ella ? > b&d1558-1837,m1558-1841 > 74 Kirklington 35 1658 - 1812 > 46,69 Ledsham 26 1539 - 1812 > 67,78 Linton-in-Craven(vol 2+)18 bmd1779-1812(vol 2)+ > m1754-1778 > 17,59 Marske in Cleveland 16 b&m1570-1812,d1569-1812 > 44 Mirfield (pt 1) 64 1559 - 1700 > 30,50 Monk Fryston 5 1538 - 1678 > 12,41 Otley pt 1 33 1562 - 1672 > 1 " pt 2 44 1672 - 1750/53 > 23 Patrington 6 1579 - 1731 > 16,52,68 Pickhill-cum-Roxby 20 > b1571-1812,m1567-1812,d1576-1812 > 63 Rillington 117 1638 - 1812 > 22 Ripon 80 1574 - 1628 > 10 Rothwell 34 > b&d1690-1763,m1690-1812 > 9 Settrington 38 1559 - 1812 > 45 Sheffield 60 > b&m1635-1653,d1560-1634 > 31 Snaithe (pt 1) 57 b1558-1657,m1537-1657 > 26,34,35,71 Terrington 29 > b1600-1812,m&d1599-1812 > 6 Thirsk 42 1556 - 1721 > 72 Thornhill 30 > b1580-1742,m1580-1745,d1580-1678 > 7 Thornhill (pt 2) 40 > b1743-1812,m1746-1753,d1678-1812 > " & Flockton " 1678 - 1812 > 28 Thornhill (pt 3) 53 > b&d1717-1812,m1754-1812 > " & Flockton " 1717 - 1812 > 38 Wath-upon-Dearne 14 > b&d1598-1778,m1598-1779 > 48 Winestead, in Holerness 4 1578 - 1812 > 4 York, Holy Trinity, > Goodramgate 41 1573 - 1812 > 25 York, St Mary, > Bishophill Junior 52 1602 - 1812 > 54 York, St Michael > le Belfrey (pt 1) 1 1565 - 1653 > 53,79 York, St Michael > le Belfrey (pt 2) 11 > m1653-1772,b&d1653-1778 > > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Can SKS look up Abraham Levenson, Annie Levenson and their 7 children living in Leeds at 81 Concord Street in the 1911 census? I did locate them in the 1901 census, but I cannot find my uncles Max Isaac, Harris and aunt Kate all born between 1891 and 1895 in the Yorkshire marriage or death index. The other children David, Morris, Michael and my father Wolf are all accounted for. Thank you for any assistance you may be able to offer. I am David in Las Vegas, Nevada, USA.

Hi, A couple of weeks ago I posted the webpage listing those Yorkshire Parish Register Society volumes that were on-line with free access. I also mentioned how poorly catalogued they were on the website and how the website wasn't the easiest to navigate. So, with nowt better to do in the dead week between Christmas & New Year, I've tried to make sense of this very useful source (although it needs to be repeated that this is a secondary source). If you copy and paste this link, www.archive.org/search.php?query=parish%20register%20yorkshire&sort=-publicd ate&page=1 you should find a webpage with the search results listed by their uploading date, i.e. the most recently uploaded at the top (I've assumed) of the list. You've got the right page if Hampsthwaite is at the top of the list, this being the most recently uploaded of the 81 listed. Below, I've tabulated the parishes, alphabetically, with their position on the webpage numbered. Otley is at the bottom of the list and is therefore number 1 and many parishes have been uploaded more than once. Also listed are the Yorkshire Parish Register Society's volume number, and the registers coverage. The next time a volume is uploaded, it should appear at the top of the webpage listing and will become number 82 on my list. That's the theory. Until I press 'go', I don't know if this table will translate to the mailing list site, nor whether my explanation makes sense to you. If either doesn't work I can copy the table off-list to anyone contacting me direct. As this is the only Yorkshire mailing list I subscribe to, feel free to forward this to any other mailing lists for which it might be appropriate. Happy New Year, Dom O'Malley. entry YPRS position parish vol coverage 20 Aldborough (vol 1) 110 1538 - 1611 32,73 Allerton Mauleverer 31 1557 - 1812 8 Austerfield 39 1559 - 1812 27 Blacktoft 8 1700 - 1812 15,43 Bolton-by-Bolland(pt 1) 19 1558 - 1724 56 Bolton-by-Bolland 22 1725 - 1812 19,57,64 Brantingham 12 1653 - 1812 18,40,65,76 Cherry Burton 15 b1597-1740,m1562-1740,d1561-1740 2 Danby-in-Cleveland 43 1585 - 1812 24 Darrington 49 1567 - 1812 61 Farnham 56 1569 - 1812 Flockton (see Thornhill) 75 Garforth 46 1631 - 1812 33,58,70 Gargrave 28 1558 - 1812 21 Great Ayton 90 1600 - 1812 39,42 Grinton in Swaledale 23 b&d1640-1807,m1640-1802 47 Hackness 25 1567 - 1783 37,80,81 Hampsthwaite (vol 1) 13 m1603-1807,b&d1603-1794 29 Harewood 50 b1614-1812,m1621-1812 14,49,66 Hartshead 17 1612 - 1812 5 Hickleton 109 1626 - 1812 77 Howden (vol 1) 21 1543 - 1659 13,55 " (vol 2) 24 1543 - 1702 3 " 48 1725 - 1812 11,62 Horbury 3 1598 - 1812 36,60 Huggate 36 1539 - 1812 51 Kirk Ella ? b&d1558-1837,m1558-1841 74 Kirklington 35 1658 - 1812 46,69 Ledsham 26 1539 - 1812 67,78 Linton-in-Craven(vol 2+)18 bmd1779-1812(vol 2)+ m1754-1778 17,59 Marske in Cleveland 16 b&m1570-1812,d1569-1812 44 Mirfield (pt 1) 64 1559 - 1700 30,50 Monk Fryston 5 1538 - 1678 12,41 Otley pt 1 33 1562 - 1672 1 " pt 2 44 1672 - 1750/53 23 Patrington 6 1579 - 1731 16,52,68 Pickhill-cum-Roxby 20 b1571-1812,m1567-1812,d1576-1812 63 Rillington 117 1638 - 1812 22 Ripon 80 1574 - 1628 10 Rothwell 34 b&d1690-1763,m1690-1812 9 Settrington 38 1559 - 1812 45 Sheffield 60 b&m1635-1653,d1560-1634 31 Snaithe (pt 1) 57 b1558-1657,m1537-1657 26,34,35,71 Terrington 29 b1600-1812,m&d1599-1812 6 Thirsk 42 1556 - 1721 72 Thornhill 30 b1580-1742,m1580-1745,d1580-1678 7 Thornhill (pt 2) 40 b1743-1812,m1746-1753,d1678-1812 " & Flockton " 1678 - 1812 28 Thornhill (pt 3) 53 b&d1717-1812,m1754-1812 " & Flockton " 1717 - 1812 38 Wath-upon-Dearne 14 b&d1598-1778,m1598-1779 48 Winestead, in Holerness 4 1578 - 1812 4 York, Holy Trinity, Goodramgate 41 1573 - 1812 25 York, St Mary, Bishophill Junior 52 1602 - 1812 54 York, St Michael le Belfrey (pt 1) 1 1565 - 1653 53,79 York, St Michael le Belfrey (pt 2) 11 m1653-1772,b&d1653-1778

Hi Listers, A Very Happy 2010 to you all. This will be one of those emails that people don't want to read but on a genealogy site there was a person with the email address of [email protected] but my message bounced so: are you on this list - you were looking for descendants of Joseph ILLINGWORTH of Alderscholes, Thornton nr Bradford. Joseph was a brother of my gt.grandmother Sarah Hannah (ILLINGWORTH) ROBINSON. Sorry for cross postings but I would love to find this researcher. TIA, Anita New Zealand

Hi Jon IGI FAMILY SEARCH(PARENT SEARCH) Joshua NORTHROP BPT 17 Nov 1799 Rose NORTHROP BPT 9 OCT 1803 Hannah NORTHROP BPT 26 JAN 1806 Parents Joshua Northrop & Hannah 1841 census Dalton Charles Crossland 30 Rose Crossland 35(This could be Rose Northrop) Hannah Crossland 7 Mary crossland 2 Joshua Northrop 65 Shoemaker Hannah Northrop 60 Joshua Northrop 10 John Kaye 15 Jon hope this is of help. Bill Avoca Beach Nsw

>I re-read emails from the past which told me about the Mill trade in >Newtown Wales where Elizabeth grew up. Hello Jean, My Grandma Elizabeth Evans was also born and raised in Newtown, the 4th in a family of ten. Most of the girls including Grandma were sent from Newtown "into service" in Yorkshire (Halifax in Grandma's case) at the age of about 12 or 13. From then on she never lived in Wales again. My Mum told me she used to go home to Newtown once a year and during that holiday sewed shirts for her brothers - who were not sent away. Was there a Mill trade in Newtown itself? I had thought these girls were sent to the places where there was lots of money from the mills (Yorkshire and Lancashire in particular) and people could afford servants? Thank you for reminding me of all this. Mary (now in WA)

Hi, Thank you for this, I am working on these lines and do have much of the information. Given that I was told Robert abandoned his family I expected the missing person to be his wife Emma. I couldn't understand why the girls were listed as married and surname HAIGH. I have had information for the past 20 years of who the girls married and how many children etc. I have recently contacted Robert's grandson. I didn't think it mattered too much to record any more about them until this amazing ability to tap into each other's family tree. I now have a g grandaughter of Annie living in Canada who is interested in all this, her grandfather is the one who gave me the information originally. Her Uncle from an adjacent line is also doing this research and I have a couple from the Mary Ellen line who are doing research too. I am now trying to help my husband understand how it all fits together as best I can. It is like taking a time capsule into a community a century ago to see where they lived and what they did. All our data would provide a great social statement of the century from early 1800s to mid 1950s. I re-read emails from the past which told me about the Mill trade in Newtown Wales where Elizabeth grew up. It seems that about 1881 times were hard and unemployment forced people to move in droves to USA, Australia and back to parts of UK they had moved from. This explains why my family married in Wales but moved to Batley and then Huddersfield between 1878-1881. They were back in Wales for 1891 census but the husband was working elsewhere, our ancestor was born in 1892 and the family returned to Huddersfield shortly after. Just trying to put what I know of Elizabeth on paper I learned much, now I am really starting to learn more about Robert H Haigh too Grandma Alice called her first born Robert Hugh. Haigh and gave her next son the middle names of Hugh Haigh as well. (I've yet to locate the origins of Hugh mind you.). I've have always known about Robert but it is news to me he abandoned his family. Perhaps he wanted to live in America but his wife didn't. Emigrating was a huge step leaving behind all ones support systems. I always tell people we were just too young to fully appreciate the enormity of what we were doing or we wouldn't have been brave enough to do it. (I don't have any regrets but we were naive). Of course one always has to bear in mind that the census is only one night every 10 years but they are great fun - a pity we don't allow ours to be viewed. Jean in S. Australia.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "sally roberts" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [WRY] 1911 Census > > Sorry Jean, just noticed a typo in the previous email. > > "Mary Ann" married 10 years, 3 children born, 3 living should read as your > "Mary Ellen". > > Regards, > Sally > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Jean, The 1911 is quite exciting for the information regarding the births and deaths of children. Unless there's been access to complete birth and death records for parishes, this is the first time that us researchers get to see how many children we've been successful in attributing :o) I've made lots of connections with both sides of the family tree (mine and my husbands) although for some reason, there are far more researchers out their for hubbie's ancestors than there are for mine. I've found a number of sites that have been good for this, Rootsweb World Connect Project, Genes Reunited (not a free site, sadly), GenCircles and GeneaNet, as well as Ancestry. The ancestoral relations of mine who emigrated must have done so with a heavy heart, but appear to have flourished when they got there. Some became Mormons and travelled to Utah, getting there by hell or high water (literally experienced in some cases) and others went for purposes of better health. Australia was the destination in the latter instance :o) When I've found my ancestors I always look for information as to what they place was like in those time. Sometimes I'm amazed by just how bad those conditions were and the fact that they managed to raise any healthy offspring at all. One Greatx5 grandfather ended up living in a windowless basement, sharing the room with 6 people, and he was there for at least 10+ years as he crossed 2 census takings at the address. Sobering times. And it makes me grateful to be a child of these days... Regards, Sally ---------------------------------------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:25:13 +1030 > Subject: Re: [WRY] 1911 Census > > Hi, Thank you for this, I am working on these lines and do have much of the > information. Given that I was told Robert abandoned his family I expected > the missing person to be his wife Emma. I couldn't understand why the > girls were listed as married and surname HAIGH. I have had information for > the past 20 years of who the girls married and how many children etc. I > have recently contacted Robert's grandson. > > I didn't think it mattered too much to record any more about them until this > amazing ability to tap into each other's family tree. I now have a g > grandaughter of Annie living in Canada who is interested in all this, her > grandfather is the one who gave me the information originally. Her Uncle > from an adjacent line is also doing this research and I have a couple from > the Mary Ellen line who are doing research too. I am now trying to help my > husband understand how it all fits together as best I can. > > It is like taking a time capsule into a community a century ago to see where > they lived and what they did. All our data would provide a great social > statement of the century from early 1800s to mid 1950s. > > I re-read emails from the past which told me about the Mill trade in Newtown > Wales where Elizabeth grew up. It seems that about 1881 times were hard and > unemployment forced people to move in droves to USA, Australia and back to > parts of UK they had moved from. This explains why my family married in > Wales but moved to Batley and then Huddersfield between 1878-1881. They > were back in Wales for 1891 census but the husband was working elsewhere, > our ancestor was born in 1892 and the family returned to Huddersfield > shortly after. > > Just trying to put what I know of Elizabeth on paper I learned much, now I > am really starting to learn more about Robert H Haigh too Grandma Alice > called her first born Robert Hugh. Haigh and gave her next son the middle > names of Hugh Haigh as well. (I've yet to locate the origins of Hugh mind > you.). I've have always known about Robert but it is news to me he abandoned > his family. Perhaps he wanted to live in America but his wife didn't. > Emigrating was a huge step leaving behind all ones support systems. I > always tell people we were just too young to fully appreciate the enormity > of what we were doing or we wouldn't have been brave enough to do it. (I > don't have any regrets but we were naive). > > Of course one always has to bear in mind that the census is only one night > every 10 years but they are great fun - a pity we don't allow ours to be > viewed. > > Jean in S. Australia..

I am currently subscribed to Ancestry.com and therefore I don't have access to this census and decided to wait it out until it is included, however I am starting to receive information from 1911 census occasionally from people who have either paid to look it up or have access to it through Findmypast. The information I have which I am curious to clarify (if anyone can do a look up without spending money) is of Elizabeth HAIGH widow aged 53 living at Queen Street Paddock. It lists others in the house Mary Ellen aged 31 Married a woollen weaver Annie married 29 Cotton Piecer, Martha May, 27 Cloth Presser, an unnamed HAIGH aged 25 cotton piecer and Ruth Alice HAIGH age 19 woollen weaver. Mary Ellen m Saffron LEES Martha May m Herbert MELLOR (could be after 1911) Annie m Shaw PEEL Ruth Alice also married William Henry SPENCE. 15th April 1911 Now I am wondering if this could be the reason they are all in Queen Street. Ancestry.com is quite a different programme to when I first looked at it and we build our family tree on line and this has allowed me to connect with each of these lines and my head is spinning with the amount of information I am receiving. So I decided to try to record everything I know about each person and the family lines. I started with Elizabeth JONES who married John HAIGH, and simply recording the data I have in written form which I hope will be easy for my descendents to understand I have 3 pages and I feel I have come to know Elizabeth (who I never met but husband says he did as a young child). It is really useful to join our bits of family information across the links to create a larger picture. I bought the Ancestry family Tree Maker because I didn't want to have to subscribe to read my Family Tree but I found it too hard to use. However I decided to look at the tutorials and whilst I can still learn more I can now access my internet data and merge it into my family tree and it is through this I have been able to contact others interested in these families. I am also enjoying the opportunity to share the certificates I have bought with others who are interested in them. as well as photos and family gossip. The only downside is I am realising how old we are getting when most of my connections are in their late 70s and how little time there is to get this work completed for the next generations who have been born into a world so different from the one we knew and the ones our ancestors lived in. Jean in S. Australia.

Sorry Jean, just noticed a typo in the previous email. "Mary Ann" married 10 years, 3 children born, 3 living should read as your "Mary Ellen". Regards, Sally