Hello Jean According to the 1851 census William ELLAM & Nancy are living at Dalton William 51 Nancy 47 William 15 Thomas 13 James 10 Joshua 7 Also living with them is David hallsworth 24 Hannah Hawksworth 21 William Hawksworth 2 Jean I'll have a look for their marriage Bill Avoca Beach Nsw jean and terry wrote: > I am trying to bring my data up to date. William ELLAM born 25 Dec 1798 > died 5 Nov 1876. He is good on picking unforgettable dates I see. I > thought my December birthday was bad but Christmas day to be born and > Bonfire day to die is interesting. > > Anyway I wonder if anyone has computer access to details of his marriage. > According to my records supplied by Norma Neill from the Huddersfield Parish > Records he married Nancy Brooks. > > Now a descendent who I have made contact with is querying this as she can't > find such a marriage on the IGI and given the state of your weather can't > get out to the library to physical check these out. My Huddersfield > Marriage booklet is earlier than this. > > My contact is planning to try to discover from records the maiden name of > the mother of Samuel born 12 Nov 1826 (our ancestor) > John 1828, Hannah 26.10.1829, Sarah 14.12.1831, William 7.9.1835 and Thomas > same year, James 30.10.1840 and Joshua 1840-1864 The family lived at > Hillhouse. > > Living in the Australian Bush my only resource tends to be booklets and > discs I have acquired and the internet. I don't like to accept anything > unless properly checked out as one could be researching anyones family. It > is easier from 1837 onwards I must admit. > > Jean > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.132/2610 - Release Date: 01/10/10 06:35:00 > >

Another Ellam query from a different descendent. I can't believe how much time and money I have spent acquiring certificates etc and yet I fail to record data I can easily ask for. I guess there isn't the same challenge in it. My in-laws marriage for instance, I never needed their marriage certificate for anything and I knew they married in 1938 but now I have been given the date. (they are both deceased so couldn't ask and my husband, being a man for whom such dates has no interest wouldn't know). Anyway it seems Sidney Ellam is rather elusive. I have found a birth in 1920 for a Sidney Ellam to a Lockwood mother.which suggest the right one. the only other is 1930 and that is clearly wrong. Terry is convinced Sidney married in Huddersfield but I cannot find anything so think he probably leagally married in Scotland and had a service in the church in Huddersfield which Terry remembers. But Scottish records on Ancestry are a nightmare and I can't find anything. Fortunately his widow is still alive but not necessarily sympathetic to genealogy and I have to be careful what questions I ask.. He died and so did his son Morrison in Scotland, they lived in Airdrie. It isn't too urgent as I can phone his widow but if you are snowed in then like me (we have 113F heat which is keeping me in and lethargic) I thought it might appeal to someone. Jean in S. Australia.

I am trying to bring my data up to date. William ELLAM born 25 Dec 1798 died 5 Nov 1876. He is good on picking unforgettable dates I see. I thought my December birthday was bad but Christmas day to be born and Bonfire day to die is interesting. Anyway I wonder if anyone has computer access to details of his marriage. According to my records supplied by Norma Neill from the Huddersfield Parish Records he married Nancy Brooks. Now a descendent who I have made contact with is querying this as she can't find such a marriage on the IGI and given the state of your weather can't get out to the library to physical check these out. My Huddersfield Marriage booklet is earlier than this. My contact is planning to try to discover from records the maiden name of the mother of Samuel born 12 Nov 1826 (our ancestor) John 1828, Hannah 26.10.1829, Sarah 14.12.1831, William 7.9.1835 and Thomas same year, James 30.10.1840 and Joshua 1840-1864 The family lived at Hillhouse. Living in the Australian Bush my only resource tends to be booklets and discs I have acquired and the internet. I don't like to accept anything unless properly checked out as one could be researching anyones family. It is easier from 1837 onwards I must admit. Jean

Am at the wall with this one and would appreciate hearing from anyone that may have known or are connected to: My Uncle William Henry "Harry" TAYLOR & his Partner (not sure they married) Nora ?. Nora was a hairdresser and it is said that her Parents were very "comfortable". Harry was deaf, not sure if totally or just one ear. They had a Thatched Cottage in Almondbury. The rest of my TAYLOR clan lived in Huddersfield. One brother Tom lived in Slaithwaite (my apologies if that is spelled wrong) Time frame would be late 1940s to early 50s or 60s. Both Harry & Nora are gone now and did not have any children. Ellen

Good morning all & a happy New Year, Whilst some of us are snowed in & the lists are quiet I thought it a good time to resend my family interests to see if there are any new listers with the same interests. Always happy to make new links and share information. - these are all my 2 x great granparents. George RILEY b Halifax 1844 son of James RILEY & Hannah BILTON married in Halifax in 1866 to Grace GREENWOOD b Ovenden1842 dau of Sutcliffe GREENWOOD & Hannah HANSON John JONES b 1837 in Bradford son of John JONES & Mary MATHER married in Bradford 1859 to Elizabeth BANKS b Bradford 1835 dau of John BANKS & Maria JARVIS Thomison MYERS b 1840 Skirlaugh dau of John Myers & Hannah EMPSON had illigitimate son Robert MYERS in 1863 Peter HARRISON b Drax in 1841 son of Isaac HARRISON & Sarah MORELY married in Rawcliffe in 1861 to Hannah HODGSON b Raawcliffe 1843 dau of William HODGSON & Sarah AXUP Joseph BARBER b Southowram 1837 son of Aaron BARBER & Ann TIDSWELL married in Halifax 1869 to Elizabeth GREENWOOD b Southowram 1840 dau of Charles GREENWOOD & Elizabeth FAWCETT Telemachus BARLOW b Southowram 1840 son of Thomas BARLOW & Ruth MANN married in Halifax in 1862 to Mary Alice CULPAN b Halifax 1842 dau of John CULPAN & Mary Ann SUTCLIFFE John HOWELLS b Herefordshire 1831 son of Elisha HOWELLS & Mary OWENS married Herefordshire 1865 to Mary Ann KITSON b c1847 Orleton HEF John WHITAKER b 1850 in Thornton son of William WHITAKER & Martha BINNS married in Thornton in 1872 to Ellen Ann MARSDEN b 1851 in Bury LAN to Frances MARSDEN The above are all my 2x great grandparents, any connections??? Best wishes Susan Wiseman

Happy New Year, listers! Has anyone ever come across the possibility that the two surnames above might be connected - ie one being derived from the other? I've consulted George Redmond but he doesn't mention Southwell at all, and gives Soothill as being derived from a place. I ask because I found (in 1941) a Herbert A Southwell in Sowerby near Halifax where the A stood for Alginton, a crazy sort of name. I've had difficulties with the Southwell family possibly from around Heptonstall before, and I thought he might give me a new angle to follow. He was a grandson of Squire Southwell who lived at Lower Oak Sowerby in 1871. Lower Oak was the home after this date of a John Barraclough and his wife Sarah Ann Soothill and their large family .... including Arthur Alginton Barraclough, b 18 November 1889 almost certainly at Lower Oak. While it's possible Alginton should have been Allington, I am intrigued as to why it should occur twice in families where there is possiby also a surname cross-reference. Any ideas? I haven't found a connection yet. Thanks! Maggie

 I have a Nanny Ellam who was the mother of Sarah Taylor, The first wife of my George Woodhead. I believe her fathers name was James. They lived in the area my Woodheads were from, Almondbury, and moved to Cheshire, when the Woodheads, did.  I never followed up on her family, but there may have been a Buckley linked to them, too. Confusing, I should straighten it out. Ruth Beck --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Nancy Magnusson <[email protected]> wrote: From: Nancy Magnusson <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WRY] Ellam To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 3:00 PM Hi Jean.  My Huddersfield records are too early for you too, but I thought you might not have this information for William ELLAM.  He was born 25 12 1798; baptized 06 01 1799 and his parents were James & Nanny ELLAM of Huddersfield. His mother's maiden name was DRAKE. Nancy Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jean. My Huddersfield records are too early for you too, but I thought you might not have this information for William ELLAM. He was born 25 12 1798; baptized 06 01 1799 and his parents were James & Nanny ELLAM of Huddersfield. His mother's maiden name was DRAKE. Nancy

Either one of these? December Qtr. 1880 JANE GRUNDY Age 55 Registered at Bradford 9b 106 June Qtr. 1885 JANE GRUNDY Age 59 Registered at Settle 9a 11 mary lou In a message dated 1/9/2010 1:20:03 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Listers, Can anyone help with the following query. Jane Grundy was the wife of a Methodist Minister and I believe she was buried in ELLAND probably between 1881 and 1884, but even up to 1891. I can find no record of where she died (probably not in Elland) nor her date of burial Thanks David Bowers Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 9 Jan 2010 at 3:02, [email protected] wrote: > Hi Listers, > Can anyone help with the following query. > Jane Grundy was the wife of a Methodist Minister and I believe she was > buried in ELLAND probably between 1881 and 1884, but even up to > 1891 I can find no record of where she died (probably not in Elland) nor > her date of burial < Jane appears with George in the 1881 census at Elland with Greetland, aged 62. By 1891 George is a Methodist Minister at Prestwich, Lancs, and has remarried to a wife called Anne. FreeBMD has a potential marriage at Prestwich in the Sep quarter of 1887 of George Grundy to an Anna [sic] Stott (vol 8d page 544). FreeBMD also has a death at Halifax in the June quarter of 1881 of a SARAH GRUNDY (vol 9a page 305), aged 62. Was this, in fact Jane, is a question I would be asking myself? In my experience, the forenames SARAH and JANE were very, very common combinations for females, especially in Victorian times. Another possibility: in 1871 George and Jane were in Newcastle, with two daughters both born in Staffordshire. As a Methodist Minister, George obviously got moved around quite a bit. FreeBMD has the death of a Jane Grundy, aged 61, in the March quarter of 1882 at Weardale, a North-eastern registration district (vol 10a page 163). Did she return to the north-east to die and be buried? - though her birthplace was Warley, Halifax, thus it seems unlikely. There's also the death of a Jane Grundy at Prestwich in the Sep quarter of 1886 (vol 8d page 291) of a Jane Grundy, as her age is given as only 31 this cannot be her, unless an error was made in the GRO Indexes. My instinct would be to take a chance and obtain the death certificate for SARAH Grundy at Halifax in 1881, since the age is exactly right. Is it not possible that Jane was actually born as Sarah Jane but preferred to be known just as Jane all her life? I cannot find a Sarah Grundy at Halifax in the 1881 census, which also suggests there may be something in my theory! My apologies if you have already considered all this but you didn't offer much detail. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Roy, Thank you for that detail. I knew a lot of what you wrote, but your theory is a very sound one. I do know from family memory that she WAS buried at Elland and her husband George was buried at Elland on 3rd July 1895. I AM IMPRESSED BY YOUR DETAIL IN SUCH A SHORT TIME AND AS I NOTE THAT YOU ARE A PROFESSIONAL RESEARCHER YOU MAY BE ABLE TO ASSIST ME IN THE FUTURE Can you let me have details of your charges and your experience away from the internet. My problem is prior to 1725 in Cheshire and/or Staffordshire. With kind regards and many thanks. David Bowers

Hi Listers, Can anyone help with the following query. Jane Grundy was the wife of a Methodist Minister and I believe she was buried in ELLAND probably between 1881 and 1884, but even up to 1891. I can find no record of where she died (probably not in Elland) nor her date of burial Thanks David Bowers

There is a Thomas Kaye living next to them in 1861 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mel Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:04 PM Subject: [WRY] Frank FARRAND + Elizabeth ??? > > Hello List: > > > > Hoping someone can help. > > > > I have a Francis FARRAND born 1825 in Lepton in my tree > > > > In 1851 he is living with his parents in Lepton > > In 1861 he is living with wife Elizabeth in Dalton and going by forename > "Frank". She is also born in Kirkheaton. > > > > There are two marriages of a Frank FARRAND in June qtr 1852 in > Huddersfield > Reg'n District. Unfortunately there are Elizabeth's in both pages > > > > Marriages Jun 1852 > > Farrand Frank Huddersfield 9a 347 > > Fox Ann Huddersfield 9a 347 > > Kaye Elizabeth Huddersfield 9a 347 > > Sykes James Neild Huddersfield 9a 347 > > > > Marriages Jun 1852 > > Brier Joseph Huddersfield 9a 360 > > Farrand Frank Huddersfield 9a 360 > > Hepworth Martha Huddersfield 9a 360 > > MCDONALD Elizabeth Huddersfield 9a 360 > > > > Problem is I can't identify which Elizabeth Married Frank. > > KAYE is a fairly common surname in Kirkheaton . McDONALD, I think, is > rare. > > > > Some years back I transcribed the FARRAND entries from the Kirkheaton PR's > and do not have a marriage of Frank in 1852. Either they didn't marry at > the > Kirkheaton Parish Church or I missed the entry. > > There are too many James SYKES listed in the 1861 census in Huddersfield > to > search through and I don't know his age. > > The only Joseph BRIER that appears in 1861 is in Halifax and the wife is > not > present. > > As Frank is not in my direct ancestry lines I'm not prepared to purchase a > child's birth certificate. > > > > Does anyone have any Marriage info from other sources that might clear > this > up. > > > > Mel Smith > > Whitby, Ontario, Canada > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

oh, and neighbours too in case her family lived near. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mel Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [WRY] Frank FARRAND + Elizabeth ??? > > Hi Barbara: > > Thanks for your response. > > I had tried elimination using the 1861 census without success, BUT I > didn't > think to go beyond that. Your email triggered that action. > > Looking at the 1871 census I found both James Nield SYKES and Joseph BRIER > and their spouses. Unfortunately what this left me with is that both Frank > FARRAND's married the respective Elizabeth's, so, the problem still > remains. > Does anyone have sources that may identify which Frank married each > Elizabeth? Localities for each marriage may be the only way to sort them > out? The Frank (Francis) I am looking for resided in Dalton in 1861 and > 1881. The family seems to have been totally missed in 1871 as neither they > or any of the children can be located. They re-appear in 1881 but > Elizabeth > has passed away and Frank has remarried. > > Mel Smith > Whitby, Ontario, Canada > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of barbara johnston > Sent: January 7, 2010 10:35 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WRY] Frank FARouldRAND + Elizabeth ??? > > you could try doing it by elimation! See if you can find a James N Sykes > married to an Ann or an Elizabeth and a Joseph Brier married to an > Elizabeth > > or a Martha. In the right area and the right census you might be able to > eliminate which one did not marry an Elizabeth if you get my drift. > > Regards > Barbara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mel Smith" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:04 PM > Subject: [WRY] Frank FARRAND + Elizabeth ??? > > >> >> Hello List: >> >> Hoping someone can help. >> >> I have a Francis FARRAND born 1825 in Lepton in my tree >> >> In 1851 he is living with his parents in Lepton >> In 1861 he is living with wife Elizabeth in Dalton and going by forename >> "Frank". She is also born in Kirkheaton. >> >> There are two marriages of a Frank FARRAND in June qtr 1852 in >> Huddersfield >> Reg'n District. Unfortunately there are Elizabeth's in both pages >> >> Marriages Jun 1852 >> Farrand Frank Huddersfield 9a 347 >> Fox Ann Huddersfield 9a 347 >> Kaye Elizabeth Huddersfield 9a 347 >> Sykes James Neild Huddersfield 9a 347 >> >> Marriages Jun 1852 >> Brier Joseph Huddersfield 9a 360 >> Farrand Frank Huddersfield 9a 360 >> Hepworth Martha Huddersfield 9a 360 >> MCDONALD Elizabeth Huddersfield 9a 360 >> >> Problem is I can't identify which Elizabeth Married Frank. >>> KAYE is a fairly common surname in Kirkheaton . McDONALD, I think, is >> rare. >> >> Some years back I transcribed the FARRAND entries from the Kirkheaton >> PR's >> and do not have a marriage of Frank in 1852. Either they didn't marry at >> the >> Kirkheaton Parish Church or I missed the entry. >>> There are too many James SYKES listed in the 1861 census in Huddersfield >> to search through and I don't know his age. >> >> The only Joseph BRIER that appears in 1861 is in Halifax and the wife is >> not present. >> >> As Frank is not in my direct ancestry lines I'm not prepared to purchase >> a >> child's birth certificate. >> >> Does anyone have any Marriage info from other sources that might clear >> this >> up. >> >> Mel Smith >> >> Whitby, Ontario, Canada >> > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Mel, So did your Frank end up in the workhouse in 1891? and the other was a fancy rug designer? As his wife is still there in 1891 I would imagine that is the case? Ideas are Trying to find the two Elizabeths in the census before marriage, I know there might be a lot of Kayes so start with MacDonald and see what her siblings, parents were called. This may help as they would use the same family names especially if she was from a Scottish family. This may help tie up an Elizabeth. I take it there are no relations living with them in the census, you may already have checked - which would give the best clue. I will take a look too and see if I can help you. I like these kind of problems tho it you may wish you had just bought the two certificates especially as they may be connected, not that usual a name, surely. regards Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mel Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [WRY] Frank FARRAND + Elizabeth ??? > > Hi Barbara: > > Thanks for your response. > > I had tried elimination using the 1861 census without success, BUT I > didn't > think to go beyond that. Your email triggered that action. > > Looking at the 1871 census I found both James Nield SYKES and Joseph BRIER > and their spouses. Unfortunately what this left me with is that both Frank > FARRAND's married the respective Elizabeth's, so, the problem still > remains. > Does anyone have sources that may identify which Frank married each > Elizabeth? Localities for each marriage may be the only way to sort them > out? The Frank (Francis) I am looking for resided in Dalton in 1861 and > 1881. The family seems to have been totally missed in 1871 as neither they > or any of the children can be located. They re-appear in 1881 but > Elizabeth > has passed away and Frank has remarried. > > Mel Smith > Whitby, Ontario, Canada > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of barbara johnston > Sent: January 7, 2010 10:35 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WRY] Frank FARouldRAND + Elizabeth ??? > > you could try doing it by elimation! See if you can find a James N Sykes > married to an Ann or an Elizabeth and a Joseph Brier married to an > Elizabeth > > or a Martha. In the right area and the right census you might be able to > eliminate which one did not marry an Elizabeth if you get my drift. > > Regards > Barbara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mel Smith" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:04 PM > Subject: [WRY] Frank FARRAND + Elizabeth ??? > > >> >> Hello List: >> >> Hoping someone can help. >> >> I have a Francis FARRAND born 1825 in Lepton in my tree >> >> In 1851 he is living with his parents in Lepton >> In 1861 he is living with wife Elizabeth in Dalton and going by forename >> "Frank". She is also born in Kirkheaton. >> >> There are two marriages of a Frank FARRAND in June qtr 1852 in >> Huddersfield >> Reg'n District. Unfortunately there are Elizabeth's in both pages >> >> Marriages Jun 1852 >> Farrand Frank Huddersfield 9a 347 >> Fox Ann Huddersfield 9a 347 >> Kaye Elizabeth Huddersfield 9a 347 >> Sykes James Neild Huddersfield 9a 347 >> >> Marriages Jun 1852 >> Brier Joseph Huddersfield 9a 360 >> Farrand Frank Huddersfield 9a 360 >> Hepworth Martha Huddersfield 9a 360 >> MCDONALD Elizabeth Huddersfield 9a 360 >> >> Problem is I can't identify which Elizabeth Married Frank. >>> KAYE is a fairly common surname in Kirkheaton . McDONALD, I think, is >> rare. >> >> Some years back I transcribed the FARRAND entries from the Kirkheaton >> PR's >> and do not have a marriage of Frank in 1852. Either they didn't marry at >> the >> Kirkheaton Parish Church or I missed the entry. >>> There are too many James SYKES listed in the 1861 census in Huddersfield >> to search through and I don't know his age. >> >> The only Joseph BRIER that appears in 1861 is in Halifax and the wife is >> not present. >> >> As Frank is not in my direct ancestry lines I'm not prepared to purchase >> a >> child's birth certificate. >> >> Does anyone have any Marriage info from other sources that might clear >> this >> up. >> >> Mel Smith >> >> Whitby, Ontario, Canada >> > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

AHA! So we have the names and approx dates of birth of some children. Any one of their birth certificates will give the mother's maiden name, so you can get to the correct Elizabeth. cheers Maggie -----Original Message----- From: Mel Smith <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:42 Subject: Re: [WRY] Frank FARRAND + Elizabeth ??? Hi Barbara: Thanks for your response. I had tried elimination using the 1861 census without success, BUT I didn't think to go beyond that. Your email triggered that action. Looking at the 1871 census I found both James Nield SYKES and Joseph BRIER and their spouses. Unfortunately what this left me with is that both Frank FARRAND's married the respective Elizabeth's, so, the problem still remains. Does anyone have sources that may identify which Frank married each Elizabeth? Localities for each marriage may be the only way to sort them out? The Frank (Francis) I am looking for resided in Dalton in 1861 and 1881. The family seems to have been totally missed in 1871 as neither they or any of the children can be located. They re-appear in 1881 but Elizabeth has passed away and Frank has remarried. Mel Smith Whitby, Ontario, Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of barbara johnston Sent: January 7, 2010 10:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WRY] Frank FARouldRAND + Elizabeth ??? you could try doing it by elimation! See if you can find a James N Sykes married to an Ann or an Elizabeth and a Joseph Brier married to an Elizabeth or a Martha. In the right area and the right census you might be able to eliminate which one did not marry an Elizabeth if you get my drift. Regards Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mel Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:04 PM Subject: [WRY] Frank FARRAND + Elizabeth ??? > > Hello List: > > Hoping someone can help. > > I have a Francis FARRAND born 1825 in Lepton in my tree > > In 1851 he is living with his parents in Lepton > In 1861 he is living with wife Elizabeth in Dalton and going by forename > "Frank". She is also born in Kirkheaton. > > There are two marriages of a Frank FARRAND in June qtr 1852 in > Huddersfield > Reg'n District. Unfortunately there are Elizabeth's in both pages > > Marriages Jun 1852 > Farrand Frank Huddersfield 9a 347 > Fox Ann Huddersfield 9a 347 > Kaye Elizabeth Huddersfield 9a 347 > Sykes James Neild Huddersfield 9a 347 > > Marriages Jun 1852 > Brier Joseph Huddersfield 9a 360 > Farrand Frank Huddersfield 9a 360 > Hepworth Martha Huddersfield 9a 360 > MCDONALD Elizabeth Huddersfield 9a 360 > > Problem is I can't identify which Elizabeth Married Frank. >> KAYE is a fairly common surname in Kirkheaton . McDONALD, I think, is > rare. > > Some years back I transcribed the FARRAND entries from the Kirkheaton PR's > and do not have a marriage of Frank in 1852. Either they didn't marry at > the > Kirkheaton Parish Church or I missed the entry. >> There are too many James SYKES listed in the 1861 census in Huddersfield > to search through and I don't know his age. > > The only Joseph BRIER that appears in 1861 is in Halifax and the wife is > not present. > > As Frank is not in my direct ancestry lines I'm not prepared to purchase a > child's birth certificate. > > Does anyone have any Marriage info from other sources that might clear > this > up. > > Mel Smith > > Whitby, Ontario, Canada > Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Barbara: Thanks for your response. I had tried elimination using the 1861 census without success, BUT I didn't think to go beyond that. Your email triggered that action. Looking at the 1871 census I found both James Nield SYKES and Joseph BRIER and their spouses. Unfortunately what this left me with is that both Frank FARRAND's married the respective Elizabeth's, so, the problem still remains. Does anyone have sources that may identify which Frank married each Elizabeth? Localities for each marriage may be the only way to sort them out? The Frank (Francis) I am looking for resided in Dalton in 1861 and 1881. The family seems to have been totally missed in 1871 as neither they or any of the children can be located. They re-appear in 1881 but Elizabeth has passed away and Frank has remarried. Mel Smith Whitby, Ontario, Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of barbara johnston Sent: January 7, 2010 10:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WRY] Frank FARouldRAND + Elizabeth ??? you could try doing it by elimation! See if you can find a James N Sykes married to an Ann or an Elizabeth and a Joseph Brier married to an Elizabeth or a Martha. In the right area and the right census you might be able to eliminate which one did not marry an Elizabeth if you get my drift. Regards Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mel Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:04 PM Subject: [WRY] Frank FARRAND + Elizabeth ??? > > Hello List: > > Hoping someone can help. > > I have a Francis FARRAND born 1825 in Lepton in my tree > > In 1851 he is living with his parents in Lepton > In 1861 he is living with wife Elizabeth in Dalton and going by forename > "Frank". She is also born in Kirkheaton. > > There are two marriages of a Frank FARRAND in June qtr 1852 in > Huddersfield > Reg'n District. Unfortunately there are Elizabeth's in both pages > > Marriages Jun 1852 > Farrand Frank Huddersfield 9a 347 > Fox Ann Huddersfield 9a 347 > Kaye Elizabeth Huddersfield 9a 347 > Sykes James Neild Huddersfield 9a 347 > > Marriages Jun 1852 > Brier Joseph Huddersfield 9a 360 > Farrand Frank Huddersfield 9a 360 > Hepworth Martha Huddersfield 9a 360 > MCDONALD Elizabeth Huddersfield 9a 360 > > Problem is I can't identify which Elizabeth Married Frank. >> KAYE is a fairly common surname in Kirkheaton . McDONALD, I think, is > rare. > > Some years back I transcribed the FARRAND entries from the Kirkheaton PR's > and do not have a marriage of Frank in 1852. Either they didn't marry at > the > Kirkheaton Parish Church or I missed the entry. >> There are too many James SYKES listed in the 1861 census in Huddersfield > to search through and I don't know his age. > > The only Joseph BRIER that appears in 1861 is in Halifax and the wife is > not present. > > As Frank is not in my direct ancestry lines I'm not prepared to purchase a > child's birth certificate. > > Does anyone have any Marriage info from other sources that might clear > this > up. > > Mel Smith > > Whitby, Ontario, Canada > Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

you could try doing it by elimation! See if you can find a James N Sykes married to an Ann or an Elizabeth and a Joseph Brier married to an Elizabeth or a Martha. In the right area and the right census you might be able to eliminate which one did not marry an Elizabeth if you get my drift. Regards Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mel Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:04 PM Subject: [WRY] Frank FARRAND + Elizabeth ??? > > Hello List: > > > > Hoping someone can help. > > > > I have a Francis FARRAND born 1825 in Lepton in my tree > > > > In 1851 he is living with his parents in Lepton > > In 1861 he is living with wife Elizabeth in Dalton and going by forename > "Frank". She is also born in Kirkheaton. > > > > There are two marriages of a Frank FARRAND in June qtr 1852 in > Huddersfield > Reg'n District. Unfortunately there are Elizabeth's in both pages > > > > Marriages Jun 1852 > > Farrand Frank Huddersfield 9a 347 > > Fox Ann Huddersfield 9a 347 > > Kaye Elizabeth Huddersfield 9a 347 > > Sykes James Neild Huddersfield 9a 347 > > > > Marriages Jun 1852 > > Brier Joseph Huddersfield 9a 360 > > Farrand Frank Huddersfield 9a 360 > > Hepworth Martha Huddersfield 9a 360 > > MCDONALD Elizabeth Huddersfield 9a 360 > > > > Problem is I can't identify which Elizabeth Married Frank. > > KAYE is a fairly common surname in Kirkheaton . McDONALD, I think, is > rare. > > > > Some years back I transcribed the FARRAND entries from the Kirkheaton PR's > and do not have a marriage of Frank in 1852. Either they didn't marry at > the > Kirkheaton Parish Church or I missed the entry. > > There are too many James SYKES listed in the 1861 census in Huddersfield > to > search through and I don't know his age. > > The only Joseph BRIER that appears in 1861 is in Halifax and the wife is > not > present. > > As Frank is not in my direct ancestry lines I'm not prepared to purchase a > child's birth certificate. > > > > Does anyone have any Marriage info from other sources that might clear > this > up. > > > > Mel Smith > > Whitby, Ontario, Canada > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello List: Hoping someone can help. I have a Francis FARRAND born 1825 in Lepton in my tree In 1851 he is living with his parents in Lepton In 1861 he is living with wife Elizabeth in Dalton and going by forename "Frank". She is also born in Kirkheaton. There are two marriages of a Frank FARRAND in June qtr 1852 in Huddersfield Reg'n District. Unfortunately there are Elizabeth's in both pages Marriages Jun 1852 Farrand Frank Huddersfield 9a 347 Fox Ann Huddersfield 9a 347 Kaye Elizabeth Huddersfield 9a 347 Sykes James Neild Huddersfield 9a 347 Marriages Jun 1852 Brier Joseph Huddersfield 9a 360 Farrand Frank Huddersfield 9a 360 Hepworth Martha Huddersfield 9a 360 MCDONALD Elizabeth Huddersfield 9a 360 Problem is I can't identify which Elizabeth Married Frank. KAYE is a fairly common surname in Kirkheaton . McDONALD, I think, is rare. Some years back I transcribed the FARRAND entries from the Kirkheaton PR's and do not have a marriage of Frank in 1852. Either they didn't marry at the Kirkheaton Parish Church or I missed the entry. There are too many James SYKES listed in the 1861 census in Huddersfield to search through and I don't know his age. The only Joseph BRIER that appears in 1861 is in Halifax and the wife is not present. As Frank is not in my direct ancestry lines I'm not prepared to purchase a child's birth certificate. Does anyone have any Marriage info from other sources that might clear this up. Mel Smith Whitby, Ontario, Canada

file sent off list ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Micklethwaite" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] WONDERING??? > At 22:49 05/01/2010, you wrote: >>I have made contact with a party in Barnsley---from what we both have >>discovered---her 2 great grandfather and my Great grandfather were >>brothers--how are we connected--she would be my ???---and I would be her >>???--can anyone fill in the question marks-----also how would she be >>connected with my kids > > Hi Richard > > I had a similar issue when I started - it's not always clear. If you just > want a relationship calculator, there are plenty about, but I wrote one so > I understood how it worked - feel free to try it: > http://www.ancestryhost.org/andymick/couscalcintro.htm > > Your great grandfather was brother to the other branch, so your most > recent common ancestor is your great great grandfather. So you and her > father (being on the same generation) are 3rd cousins. She is however one > generation further away from the MRCA so you and she are 3rd cousins once > removed. > > HTH Andy. > In cold and snowy Derbyshire. > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >