Hi, The IGI gives: CHARLES NORTON Event(s): Birth: Christening: 13 NOV 1826 Snaith, Yorkshire, England Death: Burial: Parents: Father: NATHAN NORTON Family Mother: MARY GRIME Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date. Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C009232 ELLEN RANBY Pedigree Female Event(s): Birth: Christening: 14 AUG 1831 Snaith, Yorkshire, England Death: Burial: Parents: Father: JONATHAN RANBY Family Mother: FRANCES Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date. Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C009232 cheers Maggie -----Original Message----- From: Keith & Mabel Jowsey <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 4:17 Subject: Re: [WRY] NORTON FAMILY Hi Barbara. I believe you are correct in thinking that Elizabeth & Charles NORTON are brother and sister - both employed by Ann BANKER, a farmer, in 1841 at Low Hall, Pollington. Also in Pollington in 1841 are Nathan aged 56, Mary aged 55 & Ann aged 12 who are apparently living with John & Sarah MIDDLETON aged 80 & 70 respectively (remembering that in 1841 ages were usually rounded down to the nearest multiple of 5 for anyone over the age of 15) in Shop Lane, Pollington. Also in the village is a 20 year old George NORTON employed by Charles WHEATON, farmer of Common End, Pollington. And - in the village, at Common End, are the RANBYs - Jonathan 48, Frances 45, Hannah 21, George 12, Ellen 10 & Mary aged 8. Jonathan is an Ag lab. - possibly employed by John SYKES? My theory is that John & Sarah MIDDLETON could be Mary NORTON's parents - I see that Charles & Ellen had children called John & Sarah? George, Elizabeth, Charles & Ann NORTON are probably all children of Nathan & Marry NORTON - there could be others. Charles NORTON & Ellen RANBY have probably known each other all their lives having grown up in the same village. May I suggest that you contact the Family History Centre at the LDS Church in Christchurch (near Mona Vale) and ask them how to order the Parish Registers for Snaith which is only a couple of miles from Pollington. There you should be able to find out much more about the family. Good hunting Mabel in NZ From: "Barbara Mclachlan" <[email protected]> wrote To: <[email protected]> on: Tuesday, January 12, > I have just joined this group as I am researching the NORTON family from > GOOLE. > I would like to go a little further back than I already managed but am at > a > loss to know where I might be able to find such records. > Here is what I know: > Charles NORTON b abt 1827 Yorkshire > Elizabeth NORTON b abt 1 826 Yorkshire > The above is information is from th 1841 Census, and think this may be > Charles with his sister. > > Information I do know: > Charles NORTON, an agricultural Labourer m Ellen RANBY 1852 > Humberside, > Lincolnshire. Vol 9c Page568 They had the following Children. > Sarah Jane c 1851 > Frank c 1853 > William c 1856 > John c 1859 Pollington > Mark Ranby c 1860 > Mary Hannah b 22 Oct 1861 Pollington (my grt grandmother) > George c 1862 Tadcaster> > Barbara, Christchuch, New Zealand Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am building family tree and connections through Ancestry and goodness knows what else. Anyway I received an email in response to my asking where they got the information from and they quote "me", the email address I used when I first joined ancestry. So I went to bed thinking maybe I have more info than I realised. I have organised myself sufficiently that I have boxes with family groups in them, so I got out the Ellam/Lockwood box and started reading through my various notes and discovered about 3 letters from an Aunt in Scotland and one letter had all the dates and names I had been looking for. The letter would have come pre Christmas a long time ago and I had put it on one side to deal with later. Her son who we always knew as Morrison Ellam was in facst called William Muir Morrison Ellam so no wonder I couldn't find any information. I look for POW info for Sidney Ellam and really had no idea if I had the right one until my husband went for his stamp collection and produced letters and details, even a photograph confirming we had the right one. He got sufficiently interested to play around with Ancestry and discovered his Uncle Donald Spence's marriage but he had the wrong Birth date as he doesn't have the genealogist way of thinking in following clues but we still can't exactly work out when this uncle died or in fact if he has. Death's are harder to work out, and we lost touch a long time ago so have no idea where they might have lived now. I think whoever typed the names into the system transcribed him as Donald M Spence when it should have been H. There isn't anyone else who fits the profile and it seems he was born at Leeds not Huddersfield. But the amount of knowledge I have received over the past 2 weeks when added to what I already know is amazing and what I like is that I can at last share all those certificates I spent good money buying over the years with others who are interested. Like you in UK snowed in, we have been housebound because of extreme heat (hopefully a cool wind is blowing through tonight, although it is still warm.so I manage to get some things done when we have heat waves I wouldn't have the time for normally. I am slowly getting 20 years worth of notes into some kind of order at last. Jean in S. Australia.

On 12 Jan 2010 at 8:16, sandra hargreaves wrote: > There is also an excellent article about Dade Registers by Pauline M > Litton in Family Tree Magazine July 1995. > > In 1998, Family History Magazine began a series by Pauline Litton > called 'Pitfalls and Possibilities in Family History Research'. The > series ran for several years and was exceptional, in my opinion, for > climbing over those inevitable 'brick walls' and giving reasons why > ancestors had become elusive!! And ideas where to look next!! I often > refer to them all these years later. They are well worth reading if > you can get hold of copies from back then! Local libraries perhaps. > > Sandra Hargreaves in Melbourne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roy Stockdill" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 10:19 PM > Subject: Re: [WRY] parish records kirby > > > > > > Not necessarily true, Maggie - especially if you are fortunate > > enough to have had ancestors in one of the many Yorkshire parishes > > that had those wonderful things called DADE Registers from about the > > mid-1770s to 1812. Surely you must be aware of Dade Registers, since > > they have been debated here and on other Yorkshire lists many times > > and I recently had a major article about them published in Practical > > Family History. > Indeed, and Pauline Litton is a friend of mine. You are quite right in that she drew attention to Dade Registers well before I did. She is also the secretary of the Yorkshire Parish Registers branch of the Yorkshire Archaeological Society, which has published a great many Yorkshire registers including many Dade Registers. Pauline is the doyenne of Yorkshire genealogy and I would indeed recommend her articles to everybody. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Found this birth on the FreeBMD site: March Qtr. 1892 EDMUND WILSON Registered at Bradford 9b 140 mary lou In a message dated 1/11/2010 9:32:13 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Good afternoon I am trying to ascertain the birth and death dates of a younger brother of my grandfather Edward WILSON (b 1890 in Halifax). I was unsure about this rumoured extra brother but I see that there were 6 'Total Children Born Alive' to William Henry WILSON (b 1860 Halifax) and Elizabeth JOWETT (b 1859 Clayton, Bradford) but only 5 Children Still Living'. I was told he was called Edmond but possibly spelt Edmund and possibly born between 1892 and 1901, but I cannot find any trace of him: there is no mention of him in the 1901 census. Any ideas - the census page reference is RG14PN26487 RG78PN1528B RD496 SD5 ED36 SN74. Thank you. Incidentally, I have a good history of this Wilson family from Samuel Wilson (born about 1780) and Mary Carter down to William and Elizabeth mentioned above. Elizabeth and all her children emigrated to Canada on various dates from 1913 onwards. I am still looking for children of Edward's siblings (having already found some cousins). Kind regards to all and best wishes for a prosperous 2010! Martin Bishop Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 11 Jan 2010 at 10:55, Keith & Mabel Jowsey wrote: > "Telemachus" - could this forename perhaps be a variation on the > surname "Tollemache"? Mabel in NZ > Possible, I suppose, but in Greek mythology Telemachus was the son of Odysseus in Homer's The Odyssey. Victorians were quite fond of biblical forenames and names from Roman and Greek mythology. It may have been the equivalent of modern families naming their offpsring after footballers and pop singers! -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Good afternoon I am trying to ascertain the birth and death dates of a younger brother of my grandfather Edward WILSON (b 1890 in Halifax). I was unsure about this rumoured extra brother but I see that there were 6 'Total Children Born Alive' to William Henry WILSON (b 1860 Halifax) and Elizabeth JOWETT (b 1859 Clayton, Bradford) but only 5 Children Still Living'. I was told he was called Edmond but possibly spelt Edmund and possibly born between 1892 and 1901, but I cannot find any trace of him: there is no mention of him in the 1901 census. Any ideas - the census page reference is RG14PN26487 RG78PN1528B RD496 SD5 ED36 SN74. Thank you. Incidentally, I have a good history of this Wilson family from Samuel Wilson (born about 1780) and Mary Carter down to William and Elizabeth mentioned above. Elizabeth and all her children emigrated to Canada on various dates from 1913 onwards. I am still looking for children of Edward's siblings (having already found some cousins). Kind regards to all and best wishes for a prosperous 2010! Martin Bishop

On 11 Jan 2010 at 7:04, Mel Smith wrote: > If anyone has access to the Otley Parish Registers could they check > for the marriage of John AMBLER and Margaret Gadsby registered in last > quarter of 1863 to see if there is more information on this couple. > More specifically where they were residing or from and whether by > Banns or License. > > If the right couple, he should be from Kirkheaton and she from Ireland > > Mel Smith > Whitby, Ontario, Canada < Have you checked the 1871 census? In that, John and Margaret Ambler were at Lepton, near Huddersfield, he aged 25 and she 29. John's birthplace was given as Kirkheaton and Margaret's as St Ann's Parish, Dublin. They had two sons, aged 3 and 2, both born at Kirkheaton. However, I should point out that if they were married at Otley then presumably they were living there at the time, possibly at the same address, and the certificate/register may not state where they were originally from. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

On 11 Jan 2010 at 7:06, [email protected] wrote: > > Point taken, Roy, and thank you for the correction. Yes, I'm aware of > the Dade registers, but they never come to mind, as I've never been > fortunate enough to have any ancestors in the right parishes. I just > didn't want Dave to think his problem would automatically be solved > by finding the original. I do agree with you that there is no > substitute for looking up the originals, although we do see people > struggling with the cost of getting negative results when they don't > know whether they will find any ancestor at all. best wishes Maggie > If I may be so bold as to slightly disagree with you again, Maggie (!) in my opinion there is no such thing as a "negative" result in genealogy. OK, even if you find no ancestors in a particular parish, that is not a negative result but a positive one because you have at least eliminated one source and can move on to others and search in other parishes. It's called narrowing the field. It's a bit like drinking isn't it? The negative thinker sees a pint glass as half empty while the positive thinker sees it as half full! -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

On 11 Jan 2010 at 3:57, [email protected] wrote: > West Yorkshire Archives at Wakefield will sell you copies of parish > records on microfiche: the snag being that you need some way to read > them. If you have access to a reader, that's fine: I ended up buying a > handheld reader which works OK too. > > But be warned, you may find very little more detail on an individual > record than you are given on the IGI. > Not necessarily true, Maggie - especially if you are fortunate enough to have had ancestors in one of the many Yorkshire parishes that had those wonderful things called DADE Registers from about the mid-1770s to 1812. Surely you must be aware of Dade Registers, since they have been debated here and on other Yorkshire lists many times and I recently had a major article about them published in Practical Family History. Here, as a classic example, is how the birth and baptism of my great-grandfather, Robert Stockdill, appears on the IGI..... ROBT. STOCKDILL, Birth 22 Jul 1806, Christening 24 Jul 1806, Easingwold, Yorkshire, England, Father Robt. Stockdill, mother Mary Yellow, batch no. P007531, source the register of the parish church of All Saints, Easingwold. 1599-1812. Now compare this with the full entry from the Easingwold parish registers..... "1806 – Robt. (s. of) Robt Stockdill of Easingwold. taylor, s. of George Stockdill of Husthwaite, labourer, and of Mary, dau. of Launcelot Yellow of Sutton-under- Whitestonecliffe, labourer, born 22, baptised 24 July." See all the additional information I would never have known if I had just accepted the IGI entry and never bothered to look at the original registers! Here we have a three- generation family tree, with the father's occupation (a tailor), the names of the two grandfathers AND their parishes of residence (taking me back another generation to other parishes and other records), the occupations of the grandfathers, plus the actual birth date of my gt-grandfather as well as his baptismal date. About the only thing this Dade entry does not include, which many others do, is his place in the "batting line-up", i.e. order of arrival, but the Easingwold registers also contain details of his 5 siblings and he was the youngest. Moreover, all the entries give the same detail about his parents and grandfathers, confirming beyond doubt that there was no other Robert and Mary Stockdill/Stockdale (the first 3 entries are in the surname Stockdale and the last 3 are Stockdill) also baptisding children at Easingwold. I have even seen Dade registers that give a FOUR-generation family tree and include grandmothers as well as grandfathers. So there is no need to put people off looking at the original registers by suggesting they are unlikely to find no more than is on the IGI. Parish registers vary so much in their content from one parish to another that, even if a parish didn't have Dade Registers there is always the possibility that additional information may be given. Indeed, the golden rule is to ALWAYS inspect the original records if you possibly can. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

"Telemachus" - could this forename perhaps be a variation on the surname "Tollemache"? Mabel in NZ From: "Roy Stockdill" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:16 AM On 10 Jan 2010 at 11:37, Susan Wiseman wrote:...... Telemachus BARLOW b Southowram 1840 son of Thomas BARLOW & Ruth MANN married in Halifax in 1862 to Mary Alice CULPAN b Halifax 1842 dau of John CULPAN & Mary Ann SUTCLIFFE < On 11 Jan 2010 Roy wrote > Interesting forename, Telemachus. Were his parents lovers of Greek > mythology? > > Using Surname Atlas (which also analyses forename distribution in the 1881 > census) > he appears to have been one of only six people with the name in the UK and > the only > one in Yorkshire. Results show just one Telemachus, appearing in the > Halifax Poor > Law Union, so that must have been him.

Does anyone have info on Frances Ivy Jacobs, born Nov 14,1912 in Barnsley S Yorkshire? She died Jan. 3,1997 in St James Hospital Leeds. She was the widow of Bernard Jackson Marilyn W FL

Hi Roy: Thanks for the reply Yes, I had first found them in the 1871 census in Lepton and the only marriage that I could find in FreeBMD was that in Otley. I was hoping to perhaps get a better date and some kind of info that might suggest the Otley Marriage is in fact this couple in the Lepton Census Mel Smith Whitby, Ontario, Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roy Stockdill Sent: January 11, 2010 7:49 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [WRY] Otley PR check required. - John Ambler + Margaret Gadsby On 11 Jan 2010 at 7:04, Mel Smith wrote: > If anyone has access to the Otley Parish Registers could they check > for the marriage of John AMBLER and Margaret Gadsby registered in last > quarter of 1863 to see if there is more information on this couple. > More specifically where they were residing or from and whether by > Banns or License. > > If the right couple, he should be from Kirkheaton and she from Ireland > > Mel Smith > Whitby, Ontario, Canada < Have you checked the 1871 census? In that, John and Margaret Ambler were at Lepton, near Huddersfield, he aged 25 and she 29. John's birthplace was given as Kirkheaton and Margaret's as St Ann's Parish, Dublin. They had two sons, aged 3 and 2, both born at Kirkheaton. However, I should point out that if they were married at Otley then presumably they were living there at the time, possibly at the same address, and the certificate/register may not state where they were originally from. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 08:57 11/01/2010, Maggie wrote: >But be warned, you may find very little more detail on an individual record than you are given on the IGI. On the other hand it may have vital information - I checked out one record on that had been on the IGI - it added just one little word "widow"! Best Wishes, Andy.

Hi, thank you for going to that trouble. I do have it as Norma Neill supplied all this years ago and I am only just getting round to checking it out. I think she used the Huddersfield Parish records. I need to look it up but from memory I think someone has now transcribed later records. I just have to get organised to order the new booklets which I find terrific and do appreciate the time people have taken to acquire this knowledge and share it. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Magnusson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 1:30 AM Subject: Re: [WRY] Ellam > Hi Jean. My Huddersfield records are too early for you too, but I > thought you might not have this information for William ELLAM. He was > born 25 12 1798; baptized 06 01 1799 and his parents were James & Nanny > ELLAM of Huddersfield. His mother's maiden name was DRAKE. > > Nancy > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Point taken, Roy, and thank you for the correction. Yes, I'm aware of the Dade registers, but they never come to mind, as I've never been fortunate enough to have any ancestors in the right parishes. I just didn't want Dave to think his problem would automatically be solved by finding the original. I do agree with you that there is no substitute for looking up the originals, although we do see people struggling with the cost of getting negative results when they don't know whether they will find any ancestor at all. best wishes Maggie > West Yorkshire Archives at Wakefield will sell you copies of parish > records on microfiche: the snag being that you need some way to read > them. If you have access to a reader, that's fine: I ended up buying a > handheld reader which works OK too. > > But be warned, you may find very little more detail on an individual > record than you are given on the IGI. > Not necessarily true, Maggie - especially if you are fortunate enough to have had ancestors in one of the many Yorkshire parishes that had those wonderful things called DADE Registers from about the mid-1770s to 1812. Surely you must be aware of Dade Registers, since they have been debated here and on other Yorkshire lists many times and I recently had a major article about them published in Practical Family History. Here, as a classic example, is how the birth and baptism of my great-grandfather, Robert Stockdill, appears on the IGI..... ROBT. STOCKDILL, Birth 22 Jul 1806, Christening 24 Jul 1806, Easingwold, Yorkshire, England, Father Robt. Stockdill, mother Mary Yellow, batch no. P007531, source the register of the parish church of All Saints, Easingwold. 1599-1812. Now compare this with the full entry from the Easingwold parish registers..... "1806 – Robt. (s. of) Robt Stockdill of Easingwold. taylor, s. of George Stockdill of Husthwaite, labourer, and of Mary, dau. of Launcelot Yellow of Sutton-under- Whitestonecliffe, labourer, born 22, baptised 24 July." See all the additional information I would never have known if I had just accepted the IGI entry and never bothered to look at the original registers! Here we have a three- generation family tree, with the father's occupation (a tailor), the names of the two grandfathers AND their parishes of residence (taking me back another generation to other parishes and other records), the occupations of the grandfathers, plus the actual birth date of my gt-grandfather as well as his baptismal date. About the only thing this Dade entry does not include, which many others do, is his place in the "batting line-up", i.e. order of arrival, but the Easingwold registers also contain details of his 5 siblings and he was the youngest. Moreover, all the entries give the same detail about his parents and grandfathers, confirming beyond doubt that there was no other Robert and Mary Stockdill/Stockdale (the first 3 entries are in the surname Stockdale and the last 3 are Stockdill) also baptisding children at Easingwold. I have even seen Dade registers that give a FOUR-generation family tree and include grandmothers as well as grandfathers. So there is no need to put people off looking at the original registers by suggesting they are unlikely to find no more than is on the IGI. Parish registers vary so much in their content from one parish to another that, even if a parish didn't have Dade Registers there is always the possibility that additional information may be given. Indeed, the golden rule is to ALWAYS inspect the original records if you possibly can.

If anyone has access to the Otley Parish Registers could they check for the marriage of John AMBLER and Margaret Gadsby registered in last quarter of 1863 to see if there is more information on this couple. More specifically where they were residing or from and whether by Banns or License. If the right couple, he should be from Kirkheaton and she from Ireland Mel Smith Whitby, Ontario, Canada

Darn it! I just hit the delete key on this question by mistake, so please forgive an unconnected rely. West Yorkshire Archives at Wakefield will sell you copies of parish records on microfiche: the snag being that you need some way to read them. If you have access to a reader, that's fine: I ended up buying a handheld reader which works OK too. But be warned, you may find very little more detail on an individual record than you are given on the IGI. best wishes and good luck Maggie

Good evening. In my pursuit of family history, and grateful for the help given on here by members regarding IGI and batch numbers, I have come across some potential relations, whose records point towards the parishes of Ackworth and South Kirkby. Further investigation has pointed me towards the West Yorkshire Archive Service - is the most appropriate place to look? If it is, what is the best way, aside from a visit, to access the specific records I am looking at and does anyone know what the cost might be? Many thanks, Dave -- Dave Lunn m: 07920056546 e: [email protected] w: www.lunny68.co.uk Skype: TheLunnFamily Facebook: Dave Lunn Twitter: lunny68

Happy New Year, Maggie and all Reaney's Origin of English Surnames doesn't mention either of them, unfortunately.  I'd be surprised if one is derived from the other, and the pronunciations are further apart than may appear from the spelling.    Soothill is between Batley and West Ardsley.  The 'h' is silent (as is often the fate of the 'h' in Yorkshire); I would say Sooooooo-t-ill with a long oooooo, you also hear it shorter, as in soot from the chimney, but I've never hear the 'th' pronounced together (I'm from Dewsbury.)   There's a place called Southwell in Nottinghamshire, which is pronounced suth-l, but I've met people with his name who pronounce it as it looks, South-well.      Sorry can't be more help   Kim --- On Sun, 10/1/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [WRY] soothill - southwell To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, 10 January, 2010, 14:26 Happy New Year, listers! Has anyone ever come across the possibility that the two surnames above  might be connected - ie one being derived from the other? I've consulted George  Redmond but he doesn't mention Southwell at all, and gives Soothill as being  derived from a place. I ask because I found (in 1941) a Herbert A Southwell in Sowerby near  Halifax where the A stood for Alginton, a crazy sort of name. I've had  difficulties with the Southwell family possibly from around Heptonstall before,  and I thought he might give me a new angle to follow. He was a grandson of  Squire Southwell who lived at Lower Oak Sowerby in 1871. Lower Oak was the home after this date of a John Barraclough and his wife Sarah Ann Soothill and their  large family .... including Arthur Alginton Barraclough, b 18 November 1889  almost certainly at Lower Oak.

On 10 Jan 2010 at 11:37, Susan Wiseman wrote: > > Good morning all & a happy New Year, > Whilst some of us are snowed in & the lists are quiet I thought it a > good time to resend my family interests to see if there are any new > listers with the same interests. Always happy to make new links and > share information. - these are all my 2 x great granparents. > > Telemachus BARLOW b Southowram 1840 son of Thomas BARLOW & Ruth > MANN married in Halifax in 1862 to Mary Alice CULPAN b Halifax 1842 dau of > John CULPAN & Mary Ann SUTCLIFFE < Interesting forename, Telemachus. Were his parents lovers of Greek mythology? Using Surname Atlas (which also analyses forename distribution in the 1881 census) he appears to have been one of only six people with the name in the UK and the only one in Yorkshire. Results show just one Telemachus, appearing in the Halifax Poor Law Union, so that must have been him. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE