Annette, We came out in 1966 and the following year a caravan outside a shopping centre invited anyone to become a citizen if they wished. At that point Australians were British and so was I. My husband took the attitude when he left UK that he didn't intend to go back (and so far never has but he could run out of excuses when I lose my dogs!!) and if we were going to live here then we should be citizens. It was easy we signed a piece of paper each and now have certificates saying we and our children are Australian citizens. I am not sure just why but today you are not an Australian citizen unless you go through some ceremony. It is amazing how many people in the upper 60s who have lived here and even had children here who are like you and don't have citizenship. The Yorkshire blood in me would balk at paying an entry visa to get back in. I assumed the original enquirer perhaps wanted an English passport so they could work in UK. (Have no idea how that works.) Our children came here aged under 2 and just 4 so they shouldn't have a problem either. The point you make of the certificate which gave us entry might be what they were looking for as an explanation of why the parent doesn't reside in UK. Jean in S. Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Annette Watson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [WRY] PASSPORT > Hi Bill, I have a British passport, live in Australia but was born in > England of English parents, we came in 1950 but did not have passports > to get into Australia - we had an entry permit which fortunatley my > parents had kept so I was able to use this to prove how I got into > Australia - I still have a British passport as when we came in 1950 > we were classed as Australians, but then Gough WHITLAM changed > the rules and made it retrspective back to 1945 - so I have never been > naturalised - I was good enough when I arrived etc. Of course I now > have to have a re entry visa every five years (we go OS a lot) which I > have to pay for, my sister who came with me has a permanent re > entry visa which costs her nothing - work that out, no on else can, she > is told she is very lucky to have it. There are various immigration > offices around Australia which are listed on their web site, I think I > would be phoning one of them as she will need a re entry visa, also > the British High Commission is where you get the UK passports, they > do have a ph number BUT it does cost a few dollars a minute, don't ask > why, I suppose it's because they can, just check out their website, > (check Google). I use the Southport Immigration Office on the Gold > Coast. > > I do hope this helps, > > Happy hunting and good luck, > Annette WATSON > Lismore 2480 > At 07:37 PM 15/01/2010 +1100, you wrote: >>Hi listers >>Anybody able to answer a question for me. >>A friend of mine is applying for a UK >>Passport born in Australia to UK citizens >>the passport people are asking for her mothers full birthcert (thats fine) >>and the mothers certificateof naturalisation or registration as a >>citizen of the UK (what's this) >> Thanks Bill >> *__* >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Some useful websites - >>FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ >>FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ >>Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki >>http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bill, I have a British passport, live in Australia but was born in England of English parents, we came in 1950 but did not have passports to get into Australia - we had an entry permit which fortunatley my parents had kept so I was able to use this to prove how I got into Australia - I still have a British passport as when we came in 1950 we were classed as Australians, but then Gough WHITLAM changed the rules and made it retrspective back to 1945 - so I have never been naturalised - I was good enough when I arrived etc. Of course I now have to have a re entry visa every five years (we go OS a lot) which I have to pay for, my sister who came with me has a permanent re entry visa which costs her nothing - work that out, no on else can, she is told she is very lucky to have it. There are various immigration offices around Australia which are listed on their web site, I think I would be phoning one of them as she will need a re entry visa, also the British High Commission is where you get the UK passports, they do have a ph number BUT it does cost a few dollars a minute, don't ask why, I suppose it's because they can, just check out their website, (check Google). I use the Southport Immigration Office on the Gold Coast. I do hope this helps, Happy hunting and good luck, Annette WATSON Lismore 2480 At 07:37 PM 15/01/2010 +1100, you wrote: >Hi listers >Anybody able to answer a question for me. >A friend of mine is applying for a UK >Passport born in Australia to UK citizens >the passport people are asking for her mothers full birthcert (thats fine) >and the mothers certificateof naturalisation or registration as a >citizen of the UK (what's this) > Thanks Bill > *__* > > > > > > >Some useful websites - >FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ >FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ >Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki >http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

After 15 years of genealogical research from right here at my computer, I am finally going to Yorkshire in May to visit the places that I have only seen as names on censuses and certificates. I would be most grateful for any tips or recommendations from those of you who have been there or live there regarding accommodation and transportation or any must sees in terms of research facilities for the locations that are of interest to me. My grandfather Edwin POUNDER was born in Altofts in 1890, his father Mark was born in Beverley, ERY 1857 but moved to Wakefield in his teens and worked on the railway, eventually as a driver. His father also Mark, was born 1813 in Leon, Spain (presumably the son of a soldier in the Peninsular War) returned to Beeston at about the age of 2 and then went on to become a jail guard at the Beverley House of Correction. I hope to visit the Railway Museum at York to learn more more about the life as a railway worker. Can anyone suggest a museum that has a good demonstration of life as a jail keeper and a possible approach to learn more about Peter Pounder the Peninsular War soldier. Thanking you in advance from a very happy, soon to be Yorkshire tourist Sandra Ontario, Canada

At 04:04 16/01/2010, you wrote: >The only combination of Jane Boothman and Joseph Lawson which came up on >Free BDM was at Clitheroe this is in Lancashire and Gisburne is in WRY. >Don't know if this is of any help Gisburn is very close to Clitheroe - and has been reorganised into Lancashire now - check Google maps. HTH Andy.

I have been puzzling over an entry in the 1851 census (the actual image) for the two participants in a marriage, Jane Boothman and Joseph Lawson. Until I saw it, I had so much evidence as to the parentage of both Jane and Joseph that I had no doubt that I had identified the correct couple. According to Ancestry, Lancashire BMD and Free BMD the said Jane and Joseph were married in Gisburne Oct-Dec 1850 but of course the fathers are not given. I have the Gisburne microfiche for the period but would you believe, although Jane and Joseph are in the index under the same number, that page of 15 entries is missing...aargh! This is the 1851 entry: 1851 Gisburne Cotes Farm Boothman James Head,Widr, 60 Farmer of 80 acres Waddington Jane Dau, 26 unmarried Farmer's Daughter Downham Thomas Son Farmer's Son Downham Hannah Dau, 14 Farmer's Daughter Downham William Son, 11 Gisburne Joseph Son, 7 Gisburne Lawson Joseph Visitor, 26 Farmer's Son Gargrave So here we have an unmarried Jane Boothman being visited by Joseph Lawson a married farmer's son, who I am certain has been her husband since the last quarter of 1850. It seems an unlikely mistake for any of the family to make or maybe whoever gave the information was drunk! As an example of the evidence I have, Jane's mother's maiden name was Hayes and Jane had a younger brother, Thomas Hayes Boothman, and named one of her own sons, William Hayes Lawson. Also Jane and Joseph's eldest daughter Mary Anne Lawson was born at Gisburne Coates in May 1851 (where Jane's widowed father, was still living). There are so many certificates I really need to buy and I don't want to have to spend money on one when I am 99.99% convinced I already have the answers! Can anyone explain this strange census entry? Any thoughts or ideas would be very much appreciated. Cheers Sue

Hi Jean Thanks for that info.I quite agree. Do you remember the National Registration ID card my wife still as hers thats the only one Ican think of and thay]T went out with the DO DO BIRDS. Bill

Hi, My understanding is that if one has a parent or gandparent born in UK you can have a UK passport. I wonder if your friend misunderstands the question and is actually being asked for a certificate of naturalisation as a citizen of Australian not UK. I have always travelled on an Australia passport because I believed we had offended less people and therefore it was safer (not the case today) and I was more interested in getting back into Australia. I felt being born in UK guaranteed me entry there. They keep changing the rules but I can't see how anyone born in UK would have naturalisation papers. Jean in S. Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "nomads71" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:07 PM Subject: [WRY] PASSPORT > Hi listers > Anybody able to answer a question for me. > A friend of mine is applying for a UK > Passport born in Australia to UK citizens > the passport people are asking for her mothers full birthcert (thats fine) > and the mothers certificateof naturalisation or registration as a > citizen of the UK (what's this) > Thanks Bill > *__* > > > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi listers Anybody able to answer a question for me. A friend of mine is applying for a UK Passport born in Australia to UK citizens the passport people are asking for her mothers full birthcert (thats fine) and the mothers certificateof naturalisation or registration as a citizen of the UK (what's this) Thanks Bill *__*

Hello Gail,wondering if you had any idea how to find a home child,she came from england on the same ship as i did in1950,her name was EVELYN GOWER,thanks Carol. ----- Original Message ----- From: "gail collins" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:38 AM Subject: [WRY] Home Children > 2010 has been designated as Year of the British Home Child in Canada. > >>From 1869 to 1939 various workhouses, sheltering homes, orphanages and > child care organizations in Great Britain immigrated over 100,000 > orphaned, > abandoned, pauper children ages 1 to 18 to Canada today known as the > British Home Children. Of the over 50 sending agencies, some of the more > well known names are Maria Rye, Macpherson, Fegan, Quarriers, Barnardo, > Middlemore, Catholic Emigration Society, Salvation Army, Church of England > Waif & Strays. > > Canada Post is issuing a stamp to commemorate the British Home Children > this October. > > It is estimated that 12%, over 4 million of the Canadian population, is a > descendant of a Home Child. How many would there be worldwide? > > There is a British Home Child mailing list and accompanying Descendants > website for further > information http://www.britishhomechildren.org/ > > We hope you will join us in publicizing this important part of Canadian > history > by helping us spread the word and educating the general public. > > Maria Rye Home Children Database > Gail Collins 1869-1879 [email protected] > Chris Sanham 1880-1896 [email protected] > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

2010 has been designated as Year of the British Home Child in Canada. >From 1869 to 1939 various workhouses, sheltering homes, orphanages and child care organizations in Great Britain immigrated over 100,000 orphaned, abandoned, pauper children ages 1 to 18 to Canada today known as the British Home Children. Of the over 50 sending agencies, some of the more well known names are Maria Rye, Macpherson, Fegan, Quarriers, Barnardo, Middlemore, Catholic Emigration Society, Salvation Army, Church of England Waif & Strays. Canada Post is issuing a stamp to commemorate the British Home Children this October. It is estimated that 12%, over 4 million of the Canadian population, is a descendant of a Home Child. How many would there be worldwide? There is a British Home Child mailing list and accompanying Descendants website for further information http://www.britishhomechildren.org/ We hope you will join us in publicizing this important part of Canadian history by helping us spread the word and educating the general public. Maria Rye Home Children Database Gail Collins 1869-1879 [email protected] Chris Sanham 1880-1896 [email protected]

My thanks to Mabel in NZ and Christine in Yorkshire for the information they have found for me. I appreciate the time that it would have taken to find this. Mabel I certainly know where the LDS is near Mona Vale so will pay them a visit and see if I can't get the information from the Parish Registers. Still to determine if Middleton or Grime is the maiden name for Mary, wife of Nathan. Could be an interesting exercise, if I can find the marriage that would be wonderful. Again thank you for your help. Regards Barbara, New Zealand

Hi I can put you in contact with an Ogley researcher at [email protected] Let me know if you are connected Regards John ----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Marilyn Wright" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:31 PM Subject: [WRY] Ogley and Jacobs > Any Ogley ancestors of Hilda Elizabeth Ogley Wright or Frances Ivy Jacobs > out there? Would like to exchange info > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Any Ogley ancestors of Hilda Elizabeth Ogley Wright or Frances Ivy Jacobs out there? Would like to exchange info

> Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:51:34 +0000 > From: Jon and Barbara Wood > Subject: [WRY] KIRKHEATON LOOK UP > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > If anybody is in the W Yorkshire archives, I would be very grateful if > they could look up the following marriage which I have gleaned from IGI > as it will be a while before I can visit again > > 2 July 1797 Joshua Northorp (or possibly Northrop) > Hanah Bottomley > > Also baptism of John Northrop/Northorp 17 Nov 1799 > > If any other children are immediately obvious, can you please let me > have details of those as well. > Thank you > > JON WOOD > Derbyshire Hi Jon and list I had a look at the fiche copy of the Kirkheaton records in Huddersfield Library today aand they show the following: Kirkheaton marriage, page 10 no 28 Joshua Northorp and Hannah Bottomley, both of this parish, were married in this church, by banns, on 2 July 1797 by me John Sunderland. Joshua signed the register whist Hannah made her mark. The witness were Matthew Hutchinson and Wm Northrop. Kirkheaton Baptisms 7 July 1791 Mally of William Northorp of Dalt 29 Oct 1797 Wm of Joshua and Anna Northorp of Dalt 17 Nov 1799 John of Joshua Northrop of Dalt 14 Feb 1802 Mary of Joshua Northrop of Dalt [9 Oct 1803] (date difficult to read) Rose of Joshua and Hannah Northrop of Dalt 26 Jan 1806 Hannah of Joshua and Hannah Northorp of Dalt. Al the above baptisms are included in the IGI and can be found by first searching for the John you mention and then clicking on the batch number and carrying out a family search on that batch. Cheers Roger

Hi Barbara. I believe you are correct in thinking that Elizabeth & Charles NORTON are brother and sister - both employed by Ann BANKER, a farmer, in 1841 at Low Hall, Pollington. Also in Pollington in 1841 are Nathan aged 56, Mary aged 55 & Ann aged 12 who are apparently living with John & Sarah MIDDLETON aged 80 & 70 respectively (remembering that in 1841 ages were usually rounded down to the nearest multiple of 5 for anyone over the age of 15) in Shop Lane, Pollington. Also in the village is a 20 year old George NORTON employed by Charles WHEATON, farmer of Common End, Pollington. And - in the village, at Common End, are the RANBYs - Jonathan 48, Frances 45, Hannah 21, George 12, Ellen 10 & Mary aged 8. Jonathan is an Ag lab. - possibly employed by John SYKES? My theory is that John & Sarah MIDDLETON could be Mary NORTON's parents - I see that Charles & Ellen had children called John & Sarah? George, Elizabeth, Charles & Ann NORTON are probably all children of Nathan & Marry NORTON - there could be others. Charles NORTON & Ellen RANBY have probably known each other all their lives having grown up in the same village. May I suggest that you contact the Family History Centre at the LDS Church in Christchurch (near Mona Vale) and ask them how to order the Parish Registers for Snaith which is only a couple of miles from Pollington. There you should be able to find out much more about the family. Good hunting Mabel in NZ From: "Barbara Mclachlan" <[email protected]> wrote To: <[email protected]> on: Tuesday, January 12, > I have just joined this group as I am researching the NORTON family from > GOOLE. > I would like to go a little further back than I already managed but am at > a > loss to know where I might be able to find such records. > Here is what I know: > Charles NORTON b abt 1827 Yorkshire > Elizabeth NORTON b abt 1 826 Yorkshire > The above is information is from th 1841 Census, and think this may be > Charles with his sister. > > Information I do know: > Charles NORTON, an agricultural Labourer m Ellen RANBY 1852 > Humberside, > Lincolnshire. Vol 9c Page568 They had the following Children. > Sarah Jane c 1851 > Frank c 1853 > William c 1856 > John c 1859 Pollington > Mark Ranby c 1860 > Mary Hannah b 22 Oct 1861 Pollington (my grt grandmother) > George c 1862 Tadcaster> > Barbara, Christchuch, New Zealand

Hi, We have a JOHN Hinchliffe - b. 10.1.1816 in Holmfirth married to ALICE - b. 1815 Children were JONATHAN JOE MARY THOMAS WALKER. I know there are more Hinchliffes in the Holme Valley than you can shake a stick at, but has anyone else got these in their tree. Alan ( Lodge) Researching: Baker Lodge Dearnley Loft Donkersley Mellor Fawcett Moss Hellawell Pitt Hinchliffe Sharp Hoyle Tolson Livesey Whiteley

[email protected] wrote snip<> I would like to go a little further back than I already managed but am at a loss to know where I might be able to find such records. Charles NORTON b abt 1827 Yorkshire Hi I checked the 1861 census and it shows him born Pollington Pollington sub reg district is Snaith and I found this Christening also if you bought his marriage cert it would confirm his fathers name and help you to get further back Christine CHARLES NORTON Event(s): Birth: Christening: 13 NOV 1826 Snaith, Yorkshire, England Parents: Father: NATHAN NORTON Mother: MARY GRIME 1861 England Census about Charles Norton Name: Charles Norton Age: 33 Estimated birth year: abt 1828 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Ellen Gender: Male Where born: Pollington, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Pollington County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Goole Sub-registration district: Snaith ***************** ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 14 Household Members: Name Age Charles Norton 33 Ellen Norton 29 born Pollington Sarah Jane Norton 10 born Goole Frank Norton 8 born Carlton William Norton 5 born Pollington John Norton 2 born Pollington Mark Ranby Norton 1 born Pollington Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3530; Folio: 61; Page: 3; GSU roll: 543147.

Happy New Year to all. My surname interest in West Riding, particularly Halifax is ASQUITH/ASKWITH. My 3x GGrandfather was - Samuel ASQUITH - born September 1773 in Northowram, Halifax, Yorkshire, son of James ASQUITH and Betty WHITELEY. He married Mary GREEN, daughter of James GREEN, on 24 June 1798, at St. John the Baptist, Halifax, Yorkshire. Children of SAMUEL ASQUITH and MARY GREEN are: i. Harriot ASQUITH, b. Oct 1800, Halifax, Yorkshire, England; d. Jun 1855, Liverpool, England. Married John GREGORY in 1823, ii. James Green ASQUITH, b. Jun 1804, Halifax, Yorkshire, England. iii. Mary Ann ASQUITH, b. Apr 1807, Halifax, Yorkshire, England; d. 1875, Halifax, Yorkshire. Married Joseph HOLDSWORTH in 1832. iv. William ASQUITH, b. Jul 1811, Halifax, Yorkshire, England. Married Hannah Ellen SOWDEN in 1833. v. Samuel ASQUITH, b. Dec 1814, St. John the Baptist , Halifax, Yorkshire; d. 20 Nov 1894, Redfern, NSW. Married Margaret Butler WHALAN in 1844. My 2x GGrandfather was - Samuel ASQUITH, b. Dec 1814, St. John the Baptist , Halifax, Yorkshire, England; d. 20 Nov 1894, Redfern, NSW. He married Margaret Butler WHALAN 17 Aug 1844 in Church of England Hexham, Newcastle, Christ Church, County of Northumberland, Australia, daughter of MICHAEL WHALEN and ELLEN. She was born Abt. 1820 in Longford Pass, Gortnahoe, Tipperary Ireland, and died 19 Aug 1896 in Newtown, NSW. Children of SAMUEL ASQUITH and MARGARET WHALAN are: i. William ASQUITH, b. 23 Dec 1847, Maitland, NSW; d. 29 Dec 1847, Victoria. ii. Mary Ann ASQUITH, b. 08 Feb 1849, Maitland, NSW. iii. Amelia ASQUITH, b. 08 Aug 1851, Maitland, NSW; d. 1902, Waterloo, NSW. iv. Samuel Cornelius ASQUITH, b. 19 Jan 1854, Maitland, NSW. v. George ASQUITH, b. 28 Jun 1856, Maitland, NSW; d. 1912, Queensland, Australia. vi. James Alexander ASQUITH, b. 08 Mar 1859, Maitland, NSW; d. 1904, Townsville. vii. Amelia ASQUITH, b. 1861, Maitland, NSW. viii. Elizabeth Harriet ASQUITH, b. 22 Dec 1862, Maitland, NSW; d. 1936, Bankstown, NSW. ix. Frederick ASQUITH, b. 21 Oct 1866, Maitland, NSW; d. 1867, Maitland, NSW. x. Amelia Theresa ASQUITH, b. 04 May 1867, Maitland, NSW. xi. Annie ASQUITH, b. 31 Dec 1868, Maitland, Australia; d. 1957, Warwick, Queensland, Australia. xii. Henrietta ASQUITH, b. 1846, Maitland, NSW; d. 28 Jan 1847, Maitland, NSW.

Hi everyone, I have just joined this group as I am researching the NORTON family from GOOLE. I would like to go a little further back than I already managed but am at a loss to know where I might be able to find such records. Here is what I know: Charles NORTON b abt 1827 Yorkshire Elizabeth NORTON b abt 1 826 Yorkshire The above is information is from th 1841 Census, and think this may be Charles with his sister. Information I do know: Charles NORTON, an agricultural Labourer m Ellen RANBY 1852 Humberside, Lincolnshire. Vol 9c Page568 They had the following Children. Sarah Jane c 1851 Frank c 1853 William c 1856 John c 1859 Pollington Mark Ranby c 1860 Mary Hannah b 22 Oct 1861 Pollington (my grt grandmother) George c 1862 Tadcaster Ellen RANBY died 16 July 1864 Charles NORTON married Elizabeth Charity in 1866 I have quite a bit of information after Charles and Elizabeth married. If anyone can help me and tell me where I might go to find information about Charles Parents then I would be greatful. Are there any Parish Register CD's which might be of help?? Many thanks. Barbara, Christchuch, New Zealand

There is also an excellent article about Dade Registers by Pauline M Litton in Family Tree Magazine July 1995. In 1998, Family History Magazine began a series by Pauline Litton called 'Pitfalls and Possibilities in Family History Research'. The series ran for several years and was exceptional, in my opinion, for climbing over those inevitable 'brick walls' and giving reasons why ancestors had become elusive!! And ideas where to look next!! I often refer to them all these years later. They are well worth reading if you can get hold of copies from back then! Local libraries perhaps. Sandra Hargreaves in Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] parish records kirby > > Not necessarily true, Maggie - especially if you are fortunate enough to > have had > ancestors in one of the many Yorkshire parishes that had those wonderful > things > called DADE Registers from about the mid-1770s to 1812. Surely you must be > aware > of Dade Registers, since they have been debated here and on other > Yorkshire lists > many times and I recently had a major article about them published in > Practical Family > History.