Hi Lefayre Maggie's use of Google Maps is a good idea - try Google itself too. Another "Must See" site is genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS Searching there for Heslehurst showed up just one reference in the Pickering Board of Guardians. I would expect Hazelhurst or Hazlehurst to be the current spelling (10 and 6 matches respectively) although spellings can change significantly with time. Does your document give any more context? Personally the nearest I can get to such a place is Hazelhead which is between Hepworth and Langsett on the A616 south of Huddersfield (where Hepworth Iron used to be - maybe still are - and there's a big wind farm nearby now). HTH Andy At 09:21 30/01/2010, Maggie wrote: > I have to say I've never heard of a place called Heslehurst, and can't locate one via search engines. What makes you think it is West Riding? - anything that would speak of adjacent towns etc? Google Maps give quite a few locations of the name Hazlehurst (not necessarily the place) near Doncaster and Rotherham. Sorry not to be of more help. >Maggie > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kate Burhouse <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 7:55 >Subject: Re: [WRY] Heslehurst > > >Hi Lefayre > >It's useful to check the list archive if you aren't sure if a post appeared. >If you go here... http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ and use the 'Find a >Mailing List' to search for West-riding. Once on the West-Riding page, go >to the Browse link and you can look for your posting. I can only see one >with a mention of Heslehurst - although, once I click send on this message, >there will be two :-) > >The list archive is also an excellent resource - you can search all the past >messages, looking for previous mentions of a topic, which is why, IMO, it's >so important to post replies to questions on the list, unless of course they >are of a personal/private nature. > >Best wishes > >Kate >in Devon > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:west-riding- >> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Lefayre >> Sent: 30 January 2010 06:50 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [WRY] Heslehurst >> >> I recently sent a request for information regarding a place called >> Heslehurst in the West Riding of Yorkshire mentioned in documents in >> the >> 1500s. >> >> As it did not bounce back to me in my In Box, I am wondering whether it >> appeared. >> >> Other bounce sites I use on Rootsweb usually send your message back to >> you. >> Consequently I am confused. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Lefayre another one in Australia. >>

Hi Lefayre It's useful to check the list archive if you aren't sure if a post appeared. If you go here... http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ and use the 'Find a Mailing List' to search for West-riding. Once on the West-Riding page, go to the Browse link and you can look for your posting. I can only see one with a mention of Heslehurst - although, once I click send on this message, there will be two :-) The list archive is also an excellent resource - you can search all the past messages, looking for previous mentions of a topic, which is why, IMO, it's so important to post replies to questions on the list, unless of course they are of a personal/private nature. Best wishes Kate in Devon > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:west-riding- > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Lefayre > Sent: 30 January 2010 06:50 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [WRY] Heslehurst > > I recently sent a request for information regarding a place called > Heslehurst in the West Riding of Yorkshire mentioned in documents in > the > 1500s. > > As it did not bounce back to me in my In Box, I am wondering whether it > appeared. > > Other bounce sites I use on Rootsweb usually send your message back to > you. > Consequently I am confused. > > Sincerely, > > Lefayre another one in Australia. > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bazza: In the Barnsley PR it's listed Stephen Bailey married Carolina Falks on 3 Sep 1778. He of Worsbro, a bleacher. By Banns witnesses Joseph Green and John Taylor. No mention of other Falks though on the CD. Elizabeth (Canada) ----- Original Message ----- From: bazza yorky <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010 2:25 am Subject: [WRY] Surname Decipher To: [email protected] > Hya to everyone. > I am seeking anyone,s help again to decipher the surname of my > ancestor,s marriage. > Stephen Bailey married Carolina ?????         in Barnsley St Mary,s > church 3 Sept. 1778. > I have two ideas on the name, but I would like to hear from any one else. > Please I am at a dead end . > Thankyou  from Bazza in Lovely Anna Bay Australia > > > __________________________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, > legally, and for free at PLUS7. www.tv.yahoo.com.au/plus7 > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary Lou wrote: <<According to the IGI her name was CAROLINA FALUS.>> This could be a phonetic interpretation of a name quite common in Almondbury parish at least, which is usully spelled FALLAS. Regards, Lesley -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 8:01 Subject: WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 5, Issue 33 Today's Topics: 1. Surname Decipher (bazza yorky) 2. Re: Surname Decipher (Lefayre) 3. Heslehurst (Lefayre) 4. Re: Surname Decipher ([email protected]) 5. Re: Heslehurst (Kate Burhouse) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:25:19 -0800 (PST) From: bazza yorky <[email protected]> Subject: [WRY] Surname Decipher To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hya to everyone. I am seeking anyone,s help again to decipher the surname of my ancestor,s marriage. Stephen Bailey married Carolina ????????????? in Barnsley St Mary,s church 3 Sept. 1778. I have two ideas on the name, but I would like to hear from any one else. Please I am at a dead end . Thankyou? from Bazza in Lovely Anna Bay Australia _________________________________________________________________________ _________ Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. www.tv.yahoo.com.au/plus7 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:43:29 +1100 From: "Lefayre" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WRY] Surname Decipher To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Bazza from Sydney. My brother's widow lives at Nelson Bay. Would love to help but can't without seeing the writing. Could you email me what you have and I shall try. Have a good record with old wills. Lefayre -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of bazza yorky Sent: 30 January 2010 17:25 To: [email protected] Subject: [WRY] Surname Decipher Hya to everyone. I am seeking anyone,s help again to decipher the surname of my ancestor,s marriage. Stephen Bailey married Carolina ????????????? in Barnsley St Mary,s church 3 Sept. 1778. I have two ideas on the name, but I would like to hear from any one else. Please I am at a dead end . Thankyou? from Bazza in Lovely Anna Bay Australia _________________________________________________________________________ ___ ______ Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. www.tv.yahoo.com.au/plus7 Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:49:33 +1100 From: "Lefayre" <[email protected]> Subject: [WRY] Heslehurst To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I recently sent a request for information regarding a place called Heslehurst in the West Riding of Yorkshire mentioned in documents in the 1500s. As it did not bounce back to me in my In Box, I am wondering whether it appeared. Other bounce sites I use on Rootsweb usually send your message back to you. Consequently I am confused. Sincerely, Lefayre another one in Australia. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:51:18 EST From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WRY] Surname Decipher To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" According to the IGI her name was CAROLINA FALUS. mary lou In a message dated 1/29/2010 11:25:40 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hya to everyone. I am seeking anyone,s help again to decipher the surname of my ancestor,s marriage. Stephen Bailey married Carolina ????? in Barnsley St Mary,s church 3 Sept. 1778. I have two ideas on the name, but I would like to hear from any one else. Please I am at a dead end . Thankyou from Bazza in Lovely Anna Bay Australia _________________________________________________________________________ ___ ______ Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. www.tv.yahoo.com.au/plus7 Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:55:22 -0000 From: "Kate Burhouse" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WRY] Heslehurst To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]@btinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Lefayre It's useful to check the list archive if you aren't sure if a post appeared. If you go here... http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ and use the 'Find a Mailing List' to search for West-riding. Once on the West-Riding page, go to the Browse link and you can look for your posting. I can only see one with a mention of Heslehurst - although, once I click send on this message, there will be two :-) The list archive is also an excellent resource - you can search all the past messages, looking for previous mentions of a topic, which is why, IMO, it's so important to post replies to questions on the list, unless of course they are of a personal/private nature. Best wishes Kate in Devon > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:west-riding- > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Lefayre > Sent: 30 January 2010 06:50 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [WRY] Heslehurst > > I recently sent a request for information regarding a place called > Heslehurst in the West Riding of Yorkshire mentioned in documents in > the > 1500s. > > As it did not bounce back to me in my In Box, I am wondering whether it > appeared. > > Other bounce sites I use on Rootsweb usually send your message back to > you. > Consequently I am confused. > > Sincerely, > > Lefayre another one in Australia. > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the WEST-RIDING list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the WEST-RIDING mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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I have to say I've never heard of a place called Heslehurst, and can't locate one via search engines. What makes you think it is West Riding? - anything that would speak of adjacent towns etc? Google Maps give quite a few locations of the name Hazlehurst (not necessarily the place) near Doncaster and Rotherham. Sorry not to be of more help. Maggie -----Original Message----- From: Kate Burhouse <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 7:55 Subject: Re: [WRY] Heslehurst Hi Lefayre It's useful to check the list archive if you aren't sure if a post appeared. If you go here... http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ and use the 'Find a Mailing List' to search for West-riding. Once on the West-Riding page, go to the Browse link and you can look for your posting. I can only see one with a mention of Heslehurst - although, once I click send on this message, there will be two :-) The list archive is also an excellent resource - you can search all the past messages, looking for previous mentions of a topic, which is why, IMO, it's so important to post replies to questions on the list, unless of course they are of a personal/private nature. Best wishes Kate in Devon > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:west-riding- > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Lefayre > Sent: 30 January 2010 06:50 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [WRY] Heslehurst > > I recently sent a request for information regarding a place called > Heslehurst in the West Riding of Yorkshire mentioned in documents in > the > 1500s. > > As it did not bounce back to me in my In Box, I am wondering whether it > appeared. > > Other bounce sites I use on Rootsweb usually send your message back to > you. > Consequently I am confused. > > Sincerely, > > Lefayre another one in Australia. > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

According to the IGI her name was CAROLINA FALUS. mary lou In a message dated 1/29/2010 11:25:40 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hya to everyone. I am seeking anyone,s help again to decipher the surname of my ancestor,s marriage. Stephen Bailey married Carolina ????? in Barnsley St Mary,s church 3 Sept. 1778. I have two ideas on the name, but I would like to hear from any one else. Please I am at a dead end . Thankyou from Bazza in Lovely Anna Bay Australia ____________________________________________________________________________ ______ Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. www.tv.yahoo.com.au/plus7 Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hya to everyone. I am seeking anyone,s help again to decipher the surname of my ancestor,s marriage. Stephen Bailey married Carolina ?????         in Barnsley St Mary,s church 3 Sept. 1778. I have two ideas on the name, but I would like to hear from any one else. Please I am at a dead end . Thankyou  from Bazza in Lovely Anna Bay Australia __________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. www.tv.yahoo.com.au/plus7

Does anybody have access to the Grindleton Parish registers? I am looking for the baptism of a Lawrence/Laurence Tattersall, and his family if also in the register. According to census entries and burial record Lawrence was born in Grindleton in 1780. (He married Mary Bulcock in Downham in 1806). I have checked surrounding parishes including Waddington, Downham, Gisburne, Gargrave, Giggleswick but cannot find him. Any help greatly appreciated Sue

Can anybody please offer any information on this chap or his family? I have not been able to locate a marriage or death for him. His parents were George and Harriet (SYKES). Thanks Roy.

Mavis, Again, thank you for your great help. It is always appreciated. I certainly would not have got as far with my Norton/Ranby family without your help. Best Regards Barbara

Hello Barbara, Try the 1841 again but call him Jonathan RONLEY born 1793 I found him today from his address - I had previously found him by accident because he was on the same page as George NORTON I have submitted a correction to Findmypast and have found them to be very good about dealing with reported mistranscriptions. Regards Mabel in NZ From: "Barbara Mclachlan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 4:31 PM Subject: [WRY] RANBY > Thanks to this list I have managed to find my Norton & Ranby families > further back than I had anticipated. > However, I would like to follow up on a finding in Genes Reunited which > shows Jonathan Ranby in 1841. > Surname Forename Year of birth Place of birth Location in 1841 Ranby > Jonathan 1793 Unknown Yorks W R - Goole & Pontefract > > I have looked up Find My Past for which I have a sub along with Ancestry > for > which I also have a sub and not been able to locate a Jonathan Ranby at > all > for 1841.

Thanks to this list I have managed to find my Norton & Ranby families further back than I had anticipated. However, I would like to follow up on a finding in Genes Reunited which shows Jonathan Ranby in 1841. Surname Forename Year of birth Place of birth Location in 1841 Ranby Jonathan 1793 Unknown Yorks W R - Goole & Pontefract I have looked up Find My Past for which I have a sub along with Ancestry for which I also have a sub and not been able to locate a Jonathan Ranby at all for 1841. Would there be someone who has a sub for Genes Reunited that would be able to look this up for me and tell me who his parents might be. I am pretty convinced that this is the correct Jonathan Ranby. If there is anything that I could look up for someone else, would be more than happy to help. Thanks in anticipation. Regards Barbara, New Zealand

On 23 Jan 2010 at 17:07, Susan Wiseman wrote: > Hi Mabel > I spotted this mass baptism phenomena in Halifax too - see email sent > to the Halifax list last year. I think that with the advent of civil > registration parents were concerned that their older children would > not have any proof of age & possibly the clergy seeing a way of > persuading those unbaptised to do so & so the rush to church. Susan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Susan Wiseman > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:44 PM > Subject: 1837 Halifax baptisms > > > Can anyone tell me whether there was any pressure from the clergy to > baptise children immediately before the start of civil registration in > 1837? > > I have long known that my 2 x great grandfather & 2 siblings (ages > zero - 7) were baptised at Halifax parish church on 26th Jan 1837 - > co-incidentally their parents 20th wedding anniversary. Today, > researching another family I find that a few days later on 31 Jan a > family of 4 children aged from 1 - 9 were baptised together. Looking > at the parish registers on CD there were a significant number of older > children being baptised in the months leading up to the start of civil > registration. Explanations welcome Susan Wiseman > Many clergymen were bitterly opposed to civil registration, since they saw it as some of their power being taken away from the church. Possibly they were making a point! However, I wonder if some of these families were gypsies because mass baptisms of gypsy children were a well-known phenomenon? Despite their itinerant lifestyle, gypsy families were keen on getting their children baptised for two reasons: 1) It established a form of Settlement, enabling them to provide written evidence of a place of birth or settlement and making it easier for them to get poor relief; 2) the clergy were very keen on enlarging their flock, so that they could demonstrate to the archdeacon when he came round on his annual visitation that they were doing their job! Thus, they often offered inducements to gypsy parents passing through the parish to have their children baptised in the form of money, clothing or gifts for the children. This led to some gypsy families taking advantage of the clergy's zeal and indulging in "serial" baptisms, i.e. having the children baptised in a number of different parishes, sometimes even on the same day. In her book "My Ancestors Were Gypsies" (pub. by the SoG) Sharon Sillers Floate says the record was held by a couple who had their daughters baptised between 1831 and 1849 in more than 160 parishes from Devon to Yorkshire! -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Two of my ancestors were blacksmiths in Cattol according to the Hunsingore parish records. My 7x great grandfather was a Richard Wright born about 1710 and the first mention of him in the parish records was in 1738 when he married Ann Burley and he died in 1768. He was succeeded by his son John born in 1741 who married Dorothy Leake in 1774 and he died in 1787 leaving one child Richard aged 13 born in 1774 who later moved to Bramham. I would be very grateful for any information about my Wright family in Cattal and where especially the smithy would have been located. I would also like to find out more about the village at the time they lived there so perhaps someone may know if a book or other literature has been published and if so where can I purchase it from.. With thanks Gordon from Poole, Dorset

Today I was looking at some non-conformist baptism records. Didn't find any lost cousins but have always found church records irresistible & make copious notes which are of no actual use to my research. CULLINGWORTH Wesleyan Methodist Chapel opened in 1806 These were consecutive entries - every mother was called MARY Grace daughter of Joshua & Mary GREENWOOD of Cullingworth was born 30 May and baptised 19 July 1820 by me Abraham CRABTREE Nancy daughter of Benjamin & Mary LONGBOTTOM husbandman of Cullingworth was born 24 Oct. and baptised 29 Oct. 1820 by me Abraham CRABTREE Margaret daughter of William & Mary IBOTSON of ------ in the parish of Bradford was born 17 July and baptised 1 Nov 1820 by me Abraham CRABTREE Joseph son of John & Mary NORTHORP of Cullingworth was born 27 Nov 1820 and baptised 24 Jan 1821 by me Abraham CRABTREE Joseph & Benjamin twin sons of Thomas & Mary PICKLES of Cullingworth were born 2 July and baptised 22 July 1821 by me William WELBORNE. As we know, non-conformist baptism registers were deposited in the General Register Office in 1837 "pursuant to the Act iof the 4th Victoria Cap. 92". The local Ministers must have been exhausted during those last few days before the registers were sent to London. DENBY DALE Wesleyan Chapel opened in 1799 (formerly Denby Dikeside) James JENKINSON, farmer of Ingbirchworth & his wife Ann whose name was BROADBENT had the following children baptised 30 June 1837 William born 12 Feb 1826 Elizabeth born 22 Dec 1827 Hannah born 16 Oct 1830 Martha born 11 Aug 1834 Ann born 9 Sep 1836 Joseph HAIGH, weaver of Ingbirchworth & his wife Ann whose name was ELLISON had the following offspring baptised 30 June 1837 Benjamin born 15 Mar 1822 Edward born 30 Jan 1824 Allen born 17 Nov 1829 Samuel born 14 Aug 1832 Ann born 21 Sep 1835 Uriah HAIGH, weaver of Ingbirchworth & his wife Sarah whose name was HOLMES had their family baptised 30 June 1837 Samuel born 11 Dec 1823 Elizabeth born 8 Feb 1825 Mary born 25 Dec 1827 Hellen born 17 Jul 1830 Phillip born 12 May 1831 William born 17 Apr 1833 Emmy born 4 Apr 1835 Eady born 29 Jan 1837 These 19 children were all baptised by James BUMSTEAD Cheers Mabel in NZ

Thanks to Sally Roberts for recommending FamilyRelatives.com in my search for tracing a relative who married, and died, whilst serving in the army in Germany. This site does not cover recent records but I have now just heard of another site, who have added more up to date overseas BMD records in this last week and may be of help to other listers. www.thegenealogist.co.uk Jean

Hi Mabel I spotted this mass baptism phenomena in Halifax too - see email sent to the Halifax list last year. I think that with the advent of civil registration parents were concerned that their older children would not have any proof of age & possibly the clergy seeing a way of persuading those unbaptised to do so & so the rush to church. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Wiseman To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:44 PM Subject: 1837 Halifax baptisms Can anyone tell me whether there was any pressure from the clergy to baptise children immediately before the start of civil registration in 1837? I have long known that my 2 x great grandfather & 2 siblings (ages zero - 7) were baptised at Halifax parish church on 26th Jan 1837 - co-incidentally their parents 20th wedding anniversary. Today, researching another family I find that a few days later on 31 Jan a family of 4 children aged from 1 - 9 were baptised together. Looking at the parish registers on CD there were a significant number of older children being baptised in the months leading up to the start of civil registration. Explanations welcome Susan Wiseman

I have no idea why this should have happened, but I have a whole family, two generations, up to age 22 being baptised on 27 Feb 1837 at the Ebenezer Primitive Methodist Church in Northowram, Halifax. It seems rather widespread - and why were they not baptised earlier? Maggie -----Original Message----- From: Susan Wiseman <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:07 Subject: [WRY] Re Mass baptisms Fw: 1837 Halifax baptisms Hi Mabel I spotted this mass baptism phenomena in Halifax too - see email sent to the Halifax list last year. I think that with the advent of civil registration parents were concerned that their older children would not have any proof of age & possibly the clergy seeing a way of persuading those unbaptised to do so & so the rush to church. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Wiseman To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:44 PM Subject: 1837 Halifax baptisms Can anyone tell me whether there was any pressure from the clergy to baptise children immediately before the start of civil registration in 1837? I have long known that my 2 x great grandfather & 2 siblings (ages zero - 7) were baptised at Halifax parish church on 26th Jan 1837 - co-incidentally their parents 20th wedding anniversary. Today, researching another family I find that a few days later on 31 Jan a family of 4 children aged from 1 - 9 were baptised together. Looking at the parish registers on CD there were a significant number of older children being baptised in the months leading up to the start of civil registration. Explanations welcome Susan Wiseman Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I am looking for a record of my great grandmother’s parents. My great grand mother’s maiden name was MARGARET LOWTHER. She was born in 1837 in Ingleton, Yorkshire. I believe her parents were JAMES and MARY LOWTHER. However, in the 1841 and 1851 censuses, Margaret and her siblings were living with James and Mary Hammerton in Bentham. I can find no census record of their parents, James and Mary LOWTHER. I would appreciate any help in finding a birth, marriage or death record of JAMES and MARY LOWTHER. There is also a possible conflicting maiden surname involved. Margaret married William ANGUS on 30 May 1857. They lived in Lancaster and nearby Halton. The birth certificate of their sixth child, William Henry Angus, born 5 October 1871 in Lancaster, records “PEEL” as the mother’s maiden surname. Surprisingly, a census search for Margaret PEEL turned up a Margaret PEEL born in 1837, also in Ingelton, Yorkshire. Since I have found birth certificates for three other of Margaret and William Angus’s children that record LOWTHER as her maiden name, I am assuming that LOWTHER is the correct maiden surname for Margaret Angus. Thank you for your time and attention. Bill Angus

Hi you should find the records in the overseas section. The records exist and are in the goverment's lists of birth deaths and marriages. regards Terry Norway > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:01:42 +0100 > Subject: Re: [WRY] Advice please on finding overseas (army) BMD records > > Hi Jean, > > The only thing you could try, that I know of, is to search the GRO indexes > of Overseas BMDs on the findmypast website, this is a pay per view site so > you would need a subscription of one kind or the other. Go there and look > under the Births Marriage and Deaths tab near the top of the page. Click on > the link and you will need to scroll down the next page to the section on > Deaths and Burials. Follow the links to find the right link for either > Service deaths or Army deaths etc., for a suitable span of years. If he > died while still in the army then is death should have been registered with > the British Consul etc., and eventually the registration sent back to the UK > to appear in the GRO index of Oveseas events. I believe that is roughly how > it worked. > > Failing that you might find that his marriage and the birth of his daughter > were registered only locally to where they took place and you would need to > contact the relevant German BMD/Civil Registration office or it's equvaent > if you can find out where these events took place. > > Perhaps a Rootsweb list covering Germany would help, the common language of > all rootsweb lists is supposed to be English, though you may find the odd > foreign language message creeping in here and there. It could be well worth > a try though, especially if you know whereabouts in Germany the child was > born or the couple were married, you may find a list for that particular > County/Province or equivalent. in Germany. > > Maybe someone on such a list could find the family in the German census, if > such a thing exists and is in the public domain and maybe on line. The > subscribers of such a list should be able to to give you more guidance on > this subject, perhaps, than the WRY list subscribers at least. > > Go to the rootsweb site at Rootsweb.com and look under the heading Mailing > Lists, you should then be able to search for a list for Germany, or the > place/Province where you believe these events took place. You can then > search or browse you chosen list's archives to see the sort of discussions > that take place on the list. > > Regards > Jenny DeAngelis > Spain. > <<One of my uncles (HAROLD FOX b. 1927 Dewsbury) was in the army and married > a German national (VAULTRAUT SCHMIDT (SCHMIT?) while serving in Germany. > They had one child, a girl named MARVIN. The family lived in Germany and we > only met the wife and child once when they came over to stay with us in the > 1950 - 60s. Harold died in Borneo in 60s - 70s whilst still serving in the > army. We never had any other contact with the family and none of Harold's > siblings are still living. Having lost contact with the children of all > Harold's siblings, I don't know anyone who would know what happened to the > wife and child. Presumably they stayed on living in Germany. How would I > find the marriage and death records for Harold since they didn't take place > in this country? Does anyone know of a website where such records will be > traceable? Thanks.>> > > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Keep your friends updated—even when you’re not signed in. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_5:092010