We now have the distinction of discovering a convict ancestor. Thomas Ellam started off with minor misdemeanors and this is documented in Huddersfield Examiner and Chronicle. At 13 he removed a canvas cover from a stall and sold it - got 1 month in Wakefield prison. Then he took 1s from an 8 year old child who was shopping with it. - He 2-3 months. Next crime was to steal 3 grates and sell them, he got 6 months (all before he was 15). Then he stole some clothing for sale - Housebreaking and was sentenced to 4 years transportation. He returned, couldn't get work, family disowned him and he stole some fish. Got 8 years transportation. He is convicted 19 Oct 1858 but he departs for Western Australia (which was the last place to take convicts) 10 Oct 1862. Now I wonder if he is deemed to have served 4 years prior to departure and then another 4 years on arrival. If I was him I wouldn't return to UK after completing sentence so can anyone suggest where I start looking for Austrlian records. I haven't needed to before now. We arrived here quite legally but I do live in the outback without access to Records in the Family History Societies or Library in the City.. Jean in S. Australia.

Hi Jean There are many different sites online . Just a quick search and I found the following: Convict Database ELLAM, Thomas Convict No 6865 Ship Name Merchantman (Journey 1) Ship Arrival Date 16 Feb 1863 Birth Date 1842 Marital Status Unmarried Occupation labourer Literacy lit Religion RC Sentence Date 1858 Sentence Place Leeds Sentence Province York Sentence Country England Length of Sentence 8yrs Crime larceny Ticket of Leave Date 14 Mar 1863 Certified Freedom Date 8 May 1871 Certified Freedom Place Newcastle Known Areas Perth, Vasse, Wellington, Guildford, Victoria Plains, Toodyay Comments Labourer, gardener, general servant, quarryman, wood cutter, well sinking. This info is from the Freemantle Prison site http://www.fremantleprison.com.au/Pages/Convict.aspx You can also try these http://www.coraweb.com.au/convict.htm There is an Australian convict group on rootsweb that you can join and they are very helpful. It states his certificate of freedom was granted in Newcastle..... I assume Newcastle NSW ( where I am !) so you can also look at NSW State Archives- which are really good http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online and as he may have married or died in NSW you need to search the BMD'S as well http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/ Good luck with your search Terese Hunter Valley NSW On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 9:38 AM, jean and terry <[email protected]> wrote: > We now have the distinction of discovering a convict ancestor.  Thomas Ellam > started off with minor misdemeanors and this is documented in Huddersfield > Examiner and Chronicle.   At 13 he removed a canvas cover from a stall and > sold it - got 1 month in Wakefield prison.  Then he took 1s from an 8 year > old child who was shopping with it. - He 2-3 months.  Next crime was to > steal 3 grates and sell them, he got 6 months (all before he was 15).  Then > he stole some clothing for sale - Housebreaking and was sentenced to 4 years > transportation.  He returned, couldn't get work, family disowned him and he > stole some fish.  Got 8 years transportation.  He is convicted 19 Oct 1858 > but he departs for Western Australia (which was the last place to take > convicts) 10 Oct 1862.  Now I wonder if he is deemed to have served 4 years > prior to departure and then another 4 years on arrival. > > If I was him I wouldn't return to UK after completing sentence so can anyone > suggest where I start looking for Austrlian records.  I haven't needed to > before now.   We arrived here quite legally but I do live in the outback > without access to Records in the Family History Societies or Library in the > City.. > > Jean in S. Australia. > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You might consider joining http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-CONVICTS.html for "the convicts that were transported to Australia." Heather jean and terry wrote: > <snip> > > ... so can anyone suggest where I start looking for Austrlian records. I haven't needed to > before now. We arrived here quite legally but I do live in the outback without access to Records in the Family History Societies or Library in the City.. > > Jean in S. Australia. > > >

Roy: Thank you so much. This was all most helpful for those of us on the other side of the Pond. Eliz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:09 AM Subject: [WRY] Yorkshire Archives handout > For those who were unable to get to Olympia for Who Do You Think You Are? > LIVE and > hear my presentation on Yorkshire ancestors (or those who did hear it but > weren't able to > get a copy of my handout because I ran out of them, due to demand), a copy > of my 4-page > listings of major Yorkshire archives, record offices, local studies > libraries and specialist > museums is now available as a PDF download at..... > > http://www.sog.org.uk/events/2010show.shtml > > Go to the page and click on the link to "Yorkshire family history". > > I hope it proves useful to some listers. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry for that careless slip. I meant to say that I am unable to visit the Doncaster Archives. Tony O'Grady Melbourne Australia ................................................................................................. .....From: "Tony O'Grady" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:26 PM Subject: [WRY] Birth/christening record for Ethel M, BURWELL/SHAW > I have not been able to locate an LDS film for the 1870/71 births at > Balby. > Could anyone do a look-up for me or suggest a course of action > I am in Australia and so I visit the Doncaster Archives. > > Many thanks, > Tony O'Grady >

I am trying to find the father's name regarding the following birth/christening. Ethel M. BURWELL (or SHAW) at Balby in 1870/71. In the 1871 census the mother gave her own name as Jane BURWELL and her daughter's as Ethel M. BURWELL. The mother's maiden name, however, was Sarah Jane SHAW and she used this name again in 1872 when she married at Yarmouth As a result, it is possible that Ethel was registered as Ethel M. SHAW (rather than BURWELL) in 1870/71. I have not been able to locate an LDS film for the 1870/71 births at Balby. Could anyone do a look-up for me or suggest a course of action I am in Australia and so I visit the Doncaster Archives. Many thanks, Tony O'Grady Melbourne Australia

For those who were unable to get to Olympia for Who Do You Think You Are? LIVE and hear my presentation on Yorkshire ancestors (or those who did hear it but weren't able to get a copy of my handout because I ran out of them, due to demand), a copy of my 4-page listings of major Yorkshire archives, record offices, local studies libraries and specialist museums is now available as a PDF download at..... http://www.sog.org.uk/events/2010show.shtml Go to the page and click on the link to "Yorkshire family history". I hope it proves useful to some listers. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

If anyone 'owns' George CROSS then the following is a real gem for them : Apprentice absconded - Whereas George Cross, apprentice to Thomas Banks, of Ripon, left his masters service, on Sunday morning last, without any just cause, and has not since returned. Notice is hereby given, that whoever employs the said apprentice after this notice, will be prosecuted; and a handsome reward will be paid to any person who will cause him to be apprended, on giving notice to his said master. George Cross is seventeen years of age, five feet two inches high, of a swarthy complexion, grey eyes, and dark hair, and has a scar across his forehead. He had on when he went away a bottle-green coat, black and yellow striped waistcoat, and cotton cord bereeches. NB - He was seen at Harrogate on Sunday night. March 4th 1814 Tony Cheal www.harrogatepeopleandplaces.info http://sites.google.com/site/harrogatenamesdatabase/ [email protected]

Hi Tony, The civil record shows: England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Ethel Mary Burwell Name: Ethel Mary Burwell Year of Registration: 1870 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Doncaster County: Lincolnshire, Nottinghamshire, Yorkshire - West Riding Volume: 9c Page: 582 You can order this online from the GRO and they will mail it to you in Australia. This will either tell you the father's name or let you know that you won't be able to find it because the mother didn't tell anyone! good luck Maggie -----Original Message----- From: Tony O'Grady <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 4:26 Subject: [WRY] Birth/christening record for Ethel M, BURWELL/SHAW I am trying to find the father's name regarding the following birth/christening. Ethel M. BURWELL (or SHAW) at Balby in 1870/71. In the 1871 census the mother gave her own name as Jane BURWELL and her daughter's as Ethel M. BURWELL. The mother's maiden name, however, was Sarah Jane SHAW and she used this name again in 1872 when she married at Yarmouth As a result, it is possible that Ethel was registered as Ethel M. SHAW (rather than BURWELL) in 1870/71. I have not been able to locate an LDS film for the 1870/71 births at Balby. Could anyone do a look-up for me or suggest a course of action I am in Australia and so I visit the Doncaster Archives. Many thanks, Tony O'Grady Melbourne Australia Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jean, I know the feeling! I have Abe Lockwood the "Bishop of Berry Brow" as my G3grandfather. Also a Joseph Wood, as a G2grandfather who was born 1806 & married Mary Lockwood, one of Abe's children, at Almondbury Parish Church in 1845. We might have some close links! John -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jean and terry Sent: Monday, 1 March 2010 4:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WRY] Hadcocke Rawe Hi John, I am currently subscribed to Ancestry and I am bombing along with all the available census, BDM and WW1 data available plus birth, death and marriage certificates and photographs and the contacts with people researching the same family lines, it is amazing. I even got Terry to make me a new cupboard to store my folders and I am slowly going through tidying up, destroying any information I collected in the beginning (in case it was relevant) and trying to record what I now know to be fact in a Publisher file, going family by family. I have done work on the WOOD line (mine in the past) some on mum's line (JACKSON and very challenging as she was adopted but have done better than I could have hoped for, even found a real cousin). Then I have done extensive work on my husband's grandparents, Emma who was a LOCKWOOD and William who was an ELLAM and it is the Ellam line I am currently trying to stick with. It is amazing how much I have managed to stimulate Terry's memory and what I have learned from others, more than I ever dreamed of. I have 3 inquests, a death notice, several death and marriage certificates, some photos and I am awaiting court information, made contact with descendents of one who went to Canada and I am in touch with several second and third cousins of Terry's. Had some great email conversations. Mind you I do need to get my head into the 2000s before it is too late as time goes so fast I feel I am missing out on life by worrying about the past some times. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Spivey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] Hadcocke Rawe

Hi John, I am currently subscribed to Ancestry and I am bombing along with all the available census, BDM and WW1 data available plus birth, death and marriage certificates and photographs and the contacts with people researching the same family lines, it is amazing. I even got Terry to make me a new cupboard to store my folders and I am slowly going through tidying up, destroying any information I collected in the beginning (in case it was relevant) and trying to record what I now know to be fact in a Publisher file, going family by family. I have done work on the WOOD line (mine in the past) some on mum's line (JACKSON and very challenging as she was adopted but have done better than I could have hoped for, even found a real cousin). Then I have done extensive work on my husband's grandparents, Emma who was a LOCKWOOD and William who was an ELLAM and it is the Ellam line I am currently trying to stick with. It is amazing how much I have managed to stimulate Terry's memory and what I have learned from others, more than I ever dreamed of. I have 3 inquests, a death notice, several death and marriage certificates, some photos and I am awaiting court information, made contact with descendents of one who went to Canada and I am in touch with several second and third cousins of Terry's. Had some great email conversations. Mind you I do need to get my head into the 2000s before it is too late as time goes so fast I feel I am missing out on life by worrying about the past some times. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Spivey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] Hadcocke Rawe > Hi Jean, > > Many of the American Spiveys are of African descent. The Spiveys owned > several large cotton & tobacco plantations in the South & I have copies of > the original slave registers. The slaves were referred to as "workers" & > in > many cases were not treated harshly. As most of the slaves didn't have > surnames they often took the name of the owner of the plantation without > any > DNA relationship. Of course there were instances of masters fathering the > children of slaves. One of the most famous being the Jefferson > relationship. > There have been many famous "black" Spiveys. Herman Spivey comes to mind. > If > you are interested I can send you an article but it's probably just as > easy > for you to look him up on the internet. Several people have contacted me > about the mills on the Coln including photographs. I believe one mill is, > or > was, situated at a place called Dungeon! > > Nice to hear from you again. Warm regards, John. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jean and terry > Sent: Monday, 1 March 2010 11:06 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WRY] Hadcocke Rawe > > Hi, There was a Mill on Kings Mill Lane which I actually worked at > briefly > in 1961. I think it had been owned by someone called Kaye and the > daughter > married an American Negro who was actually a friend of Paul Robson the > Actor/Singer. I rather hoped I would meet him some time. Anyway I worked > in the Office. I can remember if I got wages wrong I had to go into the > weaving shed to discuss this with the workers who understood how to work > out > > their wages better than I did. You didn't get it wrong very often. Mum > told me this marriage caused a bit of a scandal in its day as there were > few > > Negros in Huddersfield and a marriage between one and a white girl was > unusual, although Mum said they did have a friend in their own social > group > called Eddy who was coloured (not sure of which nationality)... I can't > remember the American man's name but their children were sent back to > America for their education.. I think he was also well educated. > > Prior to that I often walked on this lane to get to my grandma's at Aspley > from Longroyd Bridge. I believe that there was an Orphanage or Mother's > and > > Babies home called St. Catherine's on this lane too as my Aunt was adopted > from there in 1923. > > None of this helps your understanding I suppose but I have just discovered > that Learoyds Yard was named after Learoyd who owned a Mill so anything is > possible. I can visualise the river side but not the other side where > houses or roads might have been. > > When I think about it trade for cotton might have meant the family > travelling to America perhaps (no idea if it was a cotton or wool mill > from > memory)which could have been when she met her husband.. > > Even back in 1960 a mixed race marriage was still frowned upon and still > unusual.. > > Jean in S. Australia.. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Spivey" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:27 AM > Subject: Re: [WRY] Hadcocke Rawe > > > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jean, Many of the American Spiveys are of African descent. The Spiveys owned several large cotton & tobacco plantations in the South & I have copies of the original slave registers. The slaves were referred to as "workers" & in many cases were not treated harshly. As most of the slaves didn't have surnames they often took the name of the owner of the plantation without any DNA relationship. Of course there were instances of masters fathering the children of slaves. One of the most famous being the Jefferson relationship. There have been many famous "black" Spiveys. Herman Spivey comes to mind. If you are interested I can send you an article but it's probably just as easy for you to look him up on the internet. Several people have contacted me about the mills on the Coln including photographs. I believe one mill is, or was, situated at a place called Dungeon! Nice to hear from you again. Warm regards, John. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jean and terry Sent: Monday, 1 March 2010 11:06 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WRY] Hadcocke Rawe Hi, There was a Mill on Kings Mill Lane which I actually worked at briefly in 1961. I think it had been owned by someone called Kaye and the daughter married an American Negro who was actually a friend of Paul Robson the Actor/Singer. I rather hoped I would meet him some time. Anyway I worked in the Office. I can remember if I got wages wrong I had to go into the weaving shed to discuss this with the workers who understood how to work out their wages better than I did. You didn't get it wrong very often. Mum told me this marriage caused a bit of a scandal in its day as there were few Negros in Huddersfield and a marriage between one and a white girl was unusual, although Mum said they did have a friend in their own social group called Eddy who was coloured (not sure of which nationality)... I can't remember the American man's name but their children were sent back to America for their education.. I think he was also well educated. Prior to that I often walked on this lane to get to my grandma's at Aspley from Longroyd Bridge. I believe that there was an Orphanage or Mother's and Babies home called St. Catherine's on this lane too as my Aunt was adopted from there in 1923. None of this helps your understanding I suppose but I have just discovered that Learoyds Yard was named after Learoyd who owned a Mill so anything is possible. I can visualise the river side but not the other side where houses or roads might have been. When I think about it trade for cotton might have meant the family travelling to America perhaps (no idea if it was a cotton or wool mill from memory)which could have been when she met her husband.. Even back in 1960 a mixed race marriage was still frowned upon and still unusual.. Jean in S. Australia.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Spivey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [WRY] Hadcocke Rawe

Thanks Jean Regards John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Belfitt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:40 AM Subject: [WRY] IGI batch numbers link > Hi John > > Here's the link sent to me. It works fine and also gives Canada and > America links. As Jenny says the site has not been updated since 2002. > Could you remind us all how to look up batch numbers on IGI Jenny, as I > tried to do that but just kept getting lost in the system. > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm#Menu > > Thanks again > > Jean. > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, There was a Mill on Kings Mill Lane which I actually worked at briefly in 1961. I think it had been owned by someone called Kaye and the daughter married an American Negro who was actually a friend of Paul Robson the Actor/Singer. I rather hoped I would meet him some time. Anyway I worked in the Office. I can remember if I got wages wrong I had to go into the weaving shed to discuss this with the workers who understood how to work out their wages better than I did. You didn't get it wrong very often. Mum told me this marriage caused a bit of a scandal in its day as there were few Negros in Huddersfield and a marriage between one and a white girl was unusual, although Mum said they did have a friend in their own social group called Eddy who was coloured (not sure of which nationality)... I can't remember the American man's name but their children were sent back to America for their education.. I think he was also well educated. Prior to that I often walked on this lane to get to my grandma's at Aspley from Longroyd Bridge. I believe that there was an Orphanage or Mother's and Babies home called St. Catherine's on this lane too as my Aunt was adopted from there in 1923. None of this helps your understanding I suppose but I have just discovered that Learoyds Yard was named after Learoyd who owned a Mill so anything is possible. I can visualise the river side but not the other side where houses or roads might have been. When I think about it trade for cotton might have meant the family travelling to America perhaps (no idea if it was a cotton or wool mill from memory)which could have been when she met her husband.. Even back in 1960 a mixed race marriage was still frowned upon and still unusual.. Jean in S. Australia.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Spivey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [WRY] Hadcocke Rawe > Your guess is as good as mine, Mary Lou. Henry Viii would have been doing > what he had to do. Perhaps Mr Hadcocke was a mate of his, property > developer > or whatever they called them in those days. It was called Kings Mill so I > suppose it belonged to him, the King I mean? I never looked up "dialing". > Words change - in those days Hudersfield was Hothersfield, Hadcocke could > have changed to Hancock. Oh well, back to work. Let me know how you go. > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Monday, 1 March 2010 8:03 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WRY] Hadcocke Rawe > > Hi.....maybe Mr. Hadcocke was the builder of the homes rather than the > mill > owner, or owned the land on which they were built. > > Did you ever find out what dialing meant?? Fascinating! > > mary lou > > > In a message dated 2/28/2010 1:19:07 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Hello Mary Lou, > > I was thinking along those lines myself. I don't know who owned the mill > originally but in later years it was part of the Ramsden estate. I know > the > Spiveys had a cottage near the Kings Mill in the early 1600s. The Spivey > "ing" is shown on an early 1600 survey map of Almondbury made by William > Senior, "professor of Arithmetic, Geometry, Astronomy, Navigation and > Dialing". I have a print of this fascinating map which, I think, was > obtained from the Huddersfield Library. "Dialing" had me a bit puzzled as > I > didn't think they had phones in those days! Oh yes, the ing was next to > the > millpond! > > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jean, The only way I know to find batch numbers on the familysearch site is in the following manner, someone else might have a better way. Go to the familysearch site, look at the top tool bar for the Search Records link and click there. From the drop down list select Library Catalogue, now select Place Search and put in the place name that interests you and in the Part Of box add the County name or just England. Once you get a result from your search follow the link until you see a list of items available for that place and look for Church Record Indexes. Click on Church Record Indexes and from the list of results look for items that begin Computer printout of ----- click there and on the next page you should see a section entitled Notes which will give the batch number/s The only fault I find is that these numbers do not have the initial letter in front of them so you need to experiment by putting ether P,C, J or K for baptisms and M for marriages in front of the number until you find the letter that works. I usually experiment by making a search for the surname Smith or other very common surname and adding each of the above letter in turn to the batch number until I get a result. This is all a bit hit and miss I'm afraid. I am sure there must be a better way but I haven't found it yet. So maybe someone else can tell us another way. At least by making such a search as I describe above you can tell if the parish that interests you does have a batch number and entries for that parish should appear in the IGI, dependant on the years covered by each batch number and whether the surname you seek in the parish actually appears in those registers for those years. Hope this helps Jenny DeAngelis Spain. <<Here's the link sent to me. It works fine and also gives Canada and America links. As Jenny says the site has not been updated since 2002. Could you remind us all how to look up batch numbers on IGI Jenny, as I tried to do that but just kept getting lost in the system. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm#Menu Thanks again Jean.>>

Your guess is as good as mine, Mary Lou. Henry Viii would have been doing what he had to do. Perhaps Mr Hadcocke was a mate of his, property developer or whatever they called them in those days. It was called Kings Mill so I suppose it belonged to him, the King I mean? I never looked up "dialing". Words change - in those days Hudersfield was Hothersfield, Hadcocke could have changed to Hancock. Oh well, back to work. Let me know how you go. John -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, 1 March 2010 8:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WRY] Hadcocke Rawe Hi.....maybe Mr. Hadcocke was the builder of the homes rather than the mill owner, or owned the land on which they were built. Did you ever find out what dialing meant?? Fascinating! mary lou In a message dated 2/28/2010 1:19:07 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hello Mary Lou, I was thinking along those lines myself. I don't know who owned the mill originally but in later years it was part of the Ramsden estate. I know the Spiveys had a cottage near the Kings Mill in the early 1600s. The Spivey "ing" is shown on an early 1600 survey map of Almondbury made by William Senior, "professor of Arithmetic, Geometry, Astronomy, Navigation and Dialing". I have a print of this fascinating map which, I think, was obtained from the Huddersfield Library. "Dialing" had me a bit puzzled as I didn't think they had phones in those days! Oh yes, the ing was next to the millpond!

Hi Jean I may have misunderstood your enquiry, but hav you tried this entry: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountryEngland.htm#PageTitle This way you just pick on the English county you are interested in, which then takes you to the alphabetised list of places within that county and the batch numbers held against each town/village. Clicking on either the birth or marriage batch number then takes you to a search page where you enter the name you are interested in and hit the return key. Regards, Sally ---------------------------------------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 07:40:33 +0000 > Subject: [WRY] IGI batch numbers link > > Hi John > > Here's the link sent to me. It works fine and also gives Canada and America links. As Jenny says the site has not been updated since 2002. Could you remind us all how to look up batch numbers on IGI Jenny, as I tried to do that but just kept getting lost in the system. > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm#Menu > > Thanks again > > Jean. > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John Here's the link sent to me. It works fine and also gives Canada and America links. As Jenny says the site has not been updated since 2002. Could you remind us all how to look up batch numbers on IGI Jenny, as I tried to do that but just kept getting lost in the system. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm#Menu Thanks again Jean.

Hello Mary Lou, I was thinking along those lines myself. I don't know who owned the mill originally but in later years it was part of the Ramsden estate. I know the Spiveys had a cottage near the Kings Mill in the early 1600s. The Spivey "ing" is shown on an early 1600 survey map of Almondbury made by William Senior, "professor of Arithmetic, Geometry, Astronomy, Navigation and Dialing". I have a print of this fascinating map which, I think, was obtained from the Huddersfield Library. "Dialing" had me a bit puzzled as I didn't think they had phones in those days! Oh yes, the ing was next to the millpond! All the best, John -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, 1 March 2010 4:45 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WRY] Hadcocke Rawe I'm guessing that it was a "row" of houses owned by Mr. Hadcocke. Perhaps for mill workers. Who owned the mill? mary lou In a message dated 2/28/2010 2:19:49 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Here's a double-barrelled question. First, to check my maths, which aren't brilliant, we have two grandparents & four Ggrandparents & eight G2grandparents - so we have 2^G Ggrandparents - or something like that, if you catch my drift. Now my G11grandmothers would amount to 2^11 = 2048, according to my little calculator. Elizabeth, wife of Thomas Spivey died at Almondbury 1577. She was my G11grandmother, or should I say one of 2048 of them. Ok? Now place of death was Hadcocke Rawe, Mill or Milne, Almondbury. I presume the Mill was the grain mill on the Colne referred to as Kings Mill that was demolished a few years ago, also known as Queens Mill in the days of Good Queen Bess, so I am told. Can any of you smart genealogists tell me what & where Hadcocke Rawe was? What was a Rawe? Best wishes, John Spivey PS I've already tried Googling. Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here's a double-barrelled question. First, to check my maths, which aren't brilliant, we have two grandparents & four Ggrandparents & eight G2grandparents - so we have 2^G Ggrandparents - or something like that, if you catch my drift. Now my G11grandmothers would amount to 2^11 = 2048, according to my little calculator. Elizabeth, wife of Thomas Spivey died at Almondbury 1577. She was my G11grandmother, or should I say one of 2048 of them. Ok? Now place of death was Hadcocke Rawe, Mill or Milne, Almondbury. I presume the Mill was the grain mill on the Colne referred to as Kings Mill that was demolished a few years ago, also known as Queens Mill in the days of Good Queen Bess, so I am told. Can any of you smart genealogists tell me what & where Hadcocke Rawe was? What was a Rawe? Best wishes, John Spivey PS I've already tried Googling.