Hello all   OK....after a "cool-down" period, I am rescinding my previous callous remarks regarding WDYTYA and now "see the light".  If this show gets more families to get on board and begin searching for their ancestors, perhaps it will give those of us who've been searching years for missing family members some fresh clues and resources.   SallyAnn (O'Connor) McChesney USA --- On Mon, 3/8/10, Mike Kostiuk <[email protected]> wrote: From: Mike Kostiuk <[email protected]> Subject: [WRY] WDYTYA in the US To: [email protected] Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 7:05 AM Hi everyone, An interesting blog from our american genealogists following the launch of WDYTYA over there. Scroll down for the video interview with Lisa Kudrow. http://genealogygemspodcast.blogspot.com/2010/03/if-i-dont-say-this-i-think-my-head-will.html Kind Regards Mike Kostiuk Family Tree Folk Bringing genealogy to life * E-mail: [email protected] ( Office phone: 01977 791657 : Website: www.familytreefolk.co.uk Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Fellow members of Bradford Family History Society who have received the latest issue (Vol 8, No. 5, March 2010) of the society's journal, "Bod-Kin", will find in it an article by myself about the Bradford ancestry of that wonderful character actor and film star WILFRID LAWSON, who appeared in almost 50 British and Hollywood films and countless stage productions. If his name has been largely forgotten today, you will recognise him instantly from the photographs - a balding little man with a face like a wrinkled prune, a bulbous (drinker's!) nose and a squeaky voice. Though he mostly played supporting roles, he always stole any scene he was in. Most people will remember him for his part as Laurence Harvey's Uncle Nat in the film of Room At The Top (1958, shot in Bradford and Halifax), the decrepit, ancient butler Peacock in that hilarious comedy The Wrong Box (1966) with John Mills, Michael Caine, Peter Cook and Dudley Moore, Peter Sellers and Tony Hancock, and The Dormouse in Jonathan Miller's TV adaptation of Alice in Wonderland (also 1966, the year of Lawson's death). He was born on January 14 1900 at 18 Harris Street, Bradford, off Barkerend Road, as Wilfred [sic] Lawson WORSNOP, the son of a Bradford photographer and artist called John Mitchell Dowling Worsnop and his second wife, Isabella McCubbin, a Scottish girl from Ayrshire. He began acting in his teens and went on to appear in 47 films in Britain and Hollywood, plus many theatrical productions. He was also known throughout show business as a legendary drinker, about whom many stories were told. I too have WORSNOP ancestry and run, as my second ONS, a one-name study of the name. My gt-grandmother Charlotte Worsnop, though born in Scarborough, married my gt-grandfather Robert Stockdill (as his 4th and last wife) on Christmas Day 1851 at Shipley. WORSNOP is one of those rarish surnames hardly ever found outside its principal home, which is Bradford and Leeds with a presence also in Halifax. In the 19th century and earlier the epicentre of the name appears to have been at Low Moor, Bradford, where there were many church and chapel records of the Worsnops. Wilfrid Lawson (Worsnop) descended from the Low Moor Worsnops and I traced his ancestry back to his gt-grandfather REUBEN WORSNOP, who was born at Low Moor about 1794 and married PRISCILLA BOOTH of Halifax in 1812. Because of the profusion of Worsnops in the area, getting back further is difficult. Surprisingly, Lawson, though a prominent and well-known actor who had a career of over 30 years in the theatre and films, appears to be little recognised or remembered in his home town. I would be glad to hear from anyone who knows anything about him or whether his branch of the Low Moor Worsnops still has living members. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi everyone, Seems an Oxford woman has found she fits into a family tree back to Alice in Wonderland's Alice Liddle! http://www.familytreegenie.co.uk/blog/news/oxford-woman-discovers-shes-related-to-alice-in-wonderland/ Kind Regards Mike Kostiuk Family Tree Folk Bringing genealogy to life * E-mail: [email protected] ( Office phone: 01977 791657 : Website: www.familytreefolk.co.uk

Hi everyone, Seems Ancestors magazine is to cease publication - what a shame! The April issue of Ancestors (no 94) will be the last to the published, as at the end of March as the two partners in the venture The National Archives and Wharncliffe History Magazines (WHM) are going their separate ways Kind Regards Mike Kostiuk Family Tree Folk Bringing genealogy to life * E-mail: [email protected] ( Office phone: 01977 791657 : Website: www.familytreefolk.co.uk

Roy, The high profile of Jessica Parker has encouraged someone to canvas for subscriptions based on it already. I deleted it so can't recollect if it was Ancestry or someone else. Jean in S. Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [WRY] NBC's Who Do You Think You Are... > > You are also correct that television programme makers have to cut corners > sometimes to make it interesting and, as we Brits say, "put bums on > seats". Galling as > some of the scenes may be to we experts, the fact is that these programmes > are > made for the general public and casual viewer and not for the likes of us! > >

On 6 Mar 2010 at 10:46, Rip wrote: > Folks, let's take a minute and think of a few things. The show is on > network TV, which means it is produced to appeal to the greatest > possible market. The more eyeballs they can attract the better for > their purposes. If they applied the strict standards we use, it would > be boring. > > Think what the series "Roots" did to genealogy when it came out. If > this series is even a minor hit then more people are going to take up > this vocation or avocation of ours. More people looking for records > the more incentive for the record repositories to make their holdings > available to us. That's a good thing, isn't it. > > So take your critic's hat off and enjoy and anticipate the possible > benefit's > > Gerald Ripley > Lake Oswego, Oregon < I seem to recall that "Roots" was ultimately exposed as "highly questionable" by American genealogists. However, you are quite correct in that it did produce an upsurge in interest in genealogy. You are also correct that television programme makers have to cut corners sometimes to make it interesting and, as we Brits say, "put bums on seats". Galling as some of the scenes may be to we experts, the fact is that these programmes are made for the general public and casual viewer and not for the likes of us! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

After the show last night I could not get onto Ancestry in the U.S. nor the New England Hist. Genealogical Society website! Once you get back into Connecticut and Massachusetts, as the genealogist at the NEHGS did for her [off camera], then it is not difficult to go back into the 1600s. Plenty of vital records, wills, deeds, etc. The New Englanders recorded everything it often seems. The NEHGS has been doing genealogy since the mid 1800s and does impeccable work. But I agree that it would have been nice to know where they found that contract the 4 men signed before setting off for California and that ?letter that one of them wrote about nursing the two dying men. It seemed like 15 minutes of genealogy and 45 of commercials and exclamations. Liane

I watched the show also. I think it will increase peoples' interest in their ancestors and genealogy. During the month of February, PBS broadcasted a Henry Lewis Gates, Jr show called "Faces of America." If you didn't see it, there is a website: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/facesofamerica/ where yo can read about the making of the 4 part series and watch the video. Much better show! Of course, it's PBS and commercial free. I suppose NBC did the best they could for a general audience. Once all those folks who've never searched before and want an easy trail run into a roadblock/brick wall..... Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "lfenimore" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] NBC's Who Do You Think You Are... > After the show last night I could not get onto Ancestry in the U.S. nor > the > New England Hist. Genealogical Society website! > > Once you get back into Connecticut and Massachusetts, as the genealogist > at > the NEHGS did for her [off camera], then it is not difficult to go back > into > the 1600s. Plenty of vital records, wills, deeds, etc. The New > Englanders > recorded everything it often seems. The NEHGS has been doing genealogy > since the mid 1800s and does impeccable work. > > But I agree that it would have been nice to know where they found that > contract the 4 men signed before setting off for California and that > ?letter > that one of them wrote about nursing the two dying men. > > It seemed like 15 minutes of genealogy and 45 of commercials and > exclamations. > > Liane > > > > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Folks, let's take a minute and think of a few things. The show is on network TV, which means it is produced to appeal to the greatest possible market. The more eyeballs they can attract the better for their purposes. If they applied the strict standards we use, it would be boring. Think what the series "Roots" did to genealogy when it came out. If this series is even a minor hit then more people are going to take up this vocation or avocation of ours. More people looking for records the more incentive for the record repositories to make their holdings available to us. That's a good thing, isn't it. So take your critic's hat off and enjoy and anticipate the possible benefit's Gerald Ripley Lake Oswego, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bryan Slim Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:34 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WRY] NBC's Who Do You Think You Are... What a disappointment. Documents produced in 'mid-air' with no explanation of how they were found. Bryan Slim >The Who Do You Think You Are episode about Sarah Jessica Parker, >broadcast last night, appears to be online here: > >http://www.nbc.com/who-do-you-think-you-are/video/ > >--Noelle >Ohio > > > > > >Some useful websites - >FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ >FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ >Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki >http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What a disappointment. Documents produced in 'mid-air' with no explanation of how they were found. Bryan Slim >The Who Do You Think You Are episode about Sarah Jessica Parker, >broadcast last night, appears to be online here: > >http://www.nbc.com/who-do-you-think-you-are/video/ > >--Noelle >Ohio > > > > > >Some useful websites - >FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ >FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ >Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki >http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Who Do You Think You Are episode about Sarah Jessica Parker, broadcast last night, appears to be online here: http://www.nbc.com/who-do-you-think-you-are/video/ --Noelle Ohio

I had one "minor" problem with the "Who Do You Think You Are" premiere; it appeared to me that each genealogist took the name of "John S. Hodge" sometimes at random to trace it back to the Salem Witch Trials (via one of his wife's ancestors).  No concrete information with the exception of the same first name, middle initial and last name.    I'd hoped I'd have seen more "proof" instead of "speculation and acceptance".   SallyAnn (O'Connor) McChesney Still looking for the O'Connor/Williams/Coyle family in ChristChurch parish, West Riding, Leeds. --- On Sat, 3/6/10, Mike Kostiuk <[email protected]> wrote: From: Mike Kostiuk <[email protected]> Subject: [WRY] Sarah Jessica Parker To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 3:41 AM Hi, To those who have not found it yet The Who Do You Think You Are - Sarah Jessica Parker on NBC has a short highlight showing her uncovering the " witch" in her family. Would like to watch the full programme and series if anyone finds a link! Watch http://www.nbc.com/who-do-you-think-you-are/video/clips/sarah-jessica-parker/1206971/ Kind Regards Mike Kostiuk Family Tree Folk Bringing genealogy to life * E-mail: [email protected] ( Office phone: 01977 791657 : Website: www.familytreefolk.co.uk Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, To those who have not found it yet The Who Do You Think You Are - Sarah Jessica Parker on NBC has a short highlight showing her uncovering the " witch" in her family. Would like to watch the full programme and series if anyone finds a link! Watch http://www.nbc.com/who-do-you-think-you-are/video/clips/sarah-jessica-parker/1206971/ Kind Regards Mike Kostiuk Family Tree Folk Bringing genealogy to life * E-mail: [email protected] ( Office phone: 01977 791657 : Website: www.familytreefolk.co.uk

> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 18:53:09 +1030 > From: "jean and terry" > Subject: Re: [WRY] Australian convict records etc. > To: > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi, Thank you I did follow the URL's I received from Teresa and discovered > that Thomas was 5'11" had brown hair, hazel eyes, a long face, a fresh > complexion slightly stout and no distinguishing marks he was about 25. The > boat took 125 days to get to Australia and half were convicts and the other > half passengers. 2 people died, the first one was a convict who died almost > immediately. On arrival (4 years after being sentenced mind you) he was > given a "ticket of leave" a month later which meant he was virtually free > (like someone on probation) and could work. He worked in Western Australia > and was given his freedom after 8 full years (not today's idea of an 8 year > term). > > I then tried other URL and I did find the Aus-convict site and I have joined > this but thank you for telling me as I had no idea where to look for > anything. > > I should have been doing some housework and I have spent hours on this. I > am not sure why or if he went to Australia for the 4 year sentence, (I doubt > it) he was given previously. He was sentenced because of his bad record > really not entirely for what he did which was only to steal 4 fish to eat. > Previously as a 15 year old he had stolen clothing to sell and for > housebreaking he got the first 4 years after having 3 spells in Wakefield > Prison as a 13 year old for stealing a cover off a market stall, then taking > 1s from an 8 year old and for stealing 3 grates. > > I now need to discover if he stayed - he certainly didn't have anything to > go back to England for. It has been quite an exciting trip. His > relationship is distant enough for us to choose if we want to claim him or > disown him. I think we will claim him. > > It is amazing how much information is out there if we know where to look. > Who knows what people will learn about us in the future. > > Jean Hi folks I have been reading the recent messages re convicts in Australia and knew that somewhere I had a reference to a book which John Spivey recommended to me during discussions re my Joseph Berry research. I have now found the reference: http://www.middlemiss.org/lit/australian/fatalshore.html It is a fascinating book which traces the story of British Justice, and life in the convict colonies, from the early 1700's through the transportation period and really brings home the harshness (by today's standards) of life in those times. I found it in my local library in Huddersfield and would recommend it to anyone interested in that phase of our history. Cheers Roger researching: GILL, BERRY, CHARLESWORTH and ROBINSON in the Holme Valley, south of Huddersfield

listers may enjoy visiting this site for many views of UK _www.geograph.co.uk_ (http://www.geograph.co.uk) chiz RW

I am currently updating my Micklethwaite Roll of Honour web page www.ancestryhost.org/andymick/rollofhonour.htm I have a few details of Thomas Micklethwaite who is on the CWGC web site http://www.cwgc.org/search/SearchResults.aspx?surname=micklethwaite&initials=t&war=2&yearfrom=1900&yearto=2000&force=&nationality=&send.x=44&send.y=12 It says he died in 1943 and is at Cassino Cemetery, and it mentions wife Ivy (nee Travis) of Worsbrough Common, Barnsley. Does anyone recognise him? I have 3 possibilities but can't distinguish whether he was the son of Thomas and Ethel nee Morris, Wilfred and Dora nee Moxon, or Seth and Mary nee Skidmore. Best Wishes, Andy.

Hi, Thank you I did follow the URL's I received from Teresa and discovered that Thomas was 5'11" had brown hair, hazel eyes, a long face, a fresh complexion slightly stout and no distinguishing marks he was about 25. The boat took 125 days to get to Australia and half were convicts and the other half passengers. 2 people died, the first one was a convict who died almost immediately. On arrival (4 years after being sentenced mind you) he was given a "ticket of leave" a month later which meant he was virtually free (like someone on probation) and could work. He worked in Western Australia and was given his freedom after 8 full years (not today's idea of an 8 year term). I then tried other URL and I did find the Aus-convict site and I have joined this but thank you for telling me as I had no idea where to look for anything. I should have been doing some housework and I have spent hours on this. I am not sure why or if he went to Australia for the 4 year sentence, (I doubt it) he was given previously. He was sentenced because of his bad record really not entirely for what he did which was only to steal 4 fish to eat. Previously as a 15 year old he had stolen clothing to sell and for housebreaking he got the first 4 years after having 3 spells in Wakefield Prison as a 13 year old for stealing a cover off a market stall, then taking 1s from an 8 year old and for stealing 3 grates. I now need to discover if he stayed - he certainly didn't have anything to go back to England for. It has been quite an exciting trip. His relationship is distant enough for us to choose if we want to claim him or disown him. I think we will claim him. It is amazing how much information is out there if we know where to look. Who knows what people will learn about us in the future. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Quineys" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] Australian convict records etc. > You might consider joining > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-CONVICTS.html > for "the convicts that were transported to Australia." > > Heather > > jean and terry wrote: >> <snip> >> >> ... so can anyone suggest where I start looking for Austrlian records. I >> haven't needed to >> before now. We arrived here quite legally but I do live in the outback >> without access to Records in the Family History Societies or Library in >> the City.. >> >> Jean in S. Australia. >> >> >> > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers Are you hunting for pictures of the places your ancestors came from? May I suggest a super site where you can hunt for the places under county, town, village, this will give you information and photos to add to your history files. Happy hunting http://www.picturesofengland.com Look and enjoy Cathy South Africa

Can I also thank Roy Stockdill for posting the link to his handouts. It's good to get all the info together in one sheet rather than having bits of paper all over the place. Hope you had a great day Roy and sounds like the turnout was good if all your handouts went. Jean Belfitt

Wow. That is amazing. I've just never needed anything from Australia before I knew we had plenty of information but had no idea where to look. It is rather exciting to actually have a convict relative. I will have to focus on this end now. The crime he actually committed was to steal some herrings to eat because he couldn't get work once they realised he was a returned convict (he had 4 years transportation for stealing clothing to sell at age 19) and his parents had enough of him and disowned him. I used to think that once here the convicts could find a better life but obviously he didn't think so on his 1st 4 year visit!!. I think Western Australia, whilst a lovely state didn't have as many opportunities to earn good money as the Eastern States. We travelled to South Western Australia below Perth and I have done a little reading about the settlements there. It wasn't an easy quick money life but it is a beautiful country. I could happily live there if my children were there. Jean in S. Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "terese mcgrath" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [WRY] Australian convict records etc. Hi Jean There are many different sites online . Just a quick search and I found the following: Convict Database ELLAM, Thomas Convict No 6865 Ship Name Merchantman (Journey 1) Ship Arrival Date 16 Feb 1863 Birth Date 1842 Marital Status Unmarried Occupation labourer Literacy lit Religion RC Sentence Date 1858 Sentence Place Leeds Sentence Province York Sentence Country England Length of Sentence 8yrs Crime larceny Ticket of Leave Date 14 Mar 1863 Certified Freedom Date 8 May 1871 Certified Freedom Place Newcastle Known Areas Perth, Vasse, Wellington, Guildford, Victoria Plains, Toodyay Comments Labourer, gardener, general servant, quarryman, wood cutter, well sinking. This info is from the Freemantle Prison site http://www.fremantleprison.com.au/Pages/Convict.aspx You can also try these http://www.coraweb.com.au/convict.htm There is an Australian convict group on rootsweb that you can join and they are very helpful. It states his certificate of freedom was granted in Newcastle..... I assume Newcastle NSW ( where I am !) so you can also look at NSW State Archives- which are really good http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online and as he may have married or died in NSW you need to search the BMD'S as well http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/ Good luck with your search Terese Hunter Valley NSW On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 9:38 AM, jean and terry <[email protected]> wrote: > We now have the distinction of discovering a convict ancestor. Thomas > Ellam > started off with minor misdemeanors and this is documented in Huddersfield > Examiner and Chronicle. At 13 he removed a canvas cover from a stall and > sold it - got 1 month in Wakefield prison. Then he took 1s from an 8 year > old child who was shopping with it. - He 2-3 months. Next crime was to > steal 3 grates and sell them, he got 6 months (all before he was 15). Then > he stole some clothing for sale - Housebreaking and was sentenced to 4 > years > transportation. He returned, couldn't get work, family disowned him and he > stole some fish. Got 8 years transportation. He is convicted 19 Oct 1858 > but he departs for Western Australia (which was the last place to take > convicts) 10 Oct 1862. Now I wonder if he is deemed to have served 4 years > prior to departure and then another 4 years on arrival. > > If I was him I wouldn't return to UK after completing sentence so can > anyone > suggest where I start looking for Austrlian records. I haven't needed to > before now. We arrived here quite legally but I do live in the outback > without access to Records in the Family History Societies or Library in > the > City.. > > Jean in S. Australia. > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message