I think they are Bishop's Transcripts. Liane

Just to let those who have very kindly helped me in this matter, that the births certs arrived today and one of them does match the date of birth shown on the deaths indexes referred to below. Parents were as Roy Stockdill suggested - Frank WHITE & Nellie LEE and father's occupation is given as "Hotel Chef", so this would fit also. This means I am now confident I have the correct couple and can now proceed back another generation to try and find the reputed connection! Thank you all so much for your help. I am very glad I joined this list! Jayne ---------[ Received Mail Content ]---------- Subject : Re: [WRY] Marco Pierre WHITE Date : Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:55:35 -0000 From : "Tracy Dunne" <[email protected]> To : <[email protected]> A search of google shows that Marco Pierre White's father Frank died in 1997. The GRO deaths indexes shows he died in the Leeds Reg. district and gives his date of birth as 27 April 1927. Therefore, if one of the birth certs you have also gives this date of birth, you could probably safely assume it to be one and the same person, as I doubt the chances of two people with exactly the same name and date of birth in the same area is very likely!

Huh? Don't think it's deliberate. Seriously, first of all, most of the records in the IGI are individual bmd events submitted by individuals from their own work. It is often approximate and prone to error. If the record is an extraction from a local record, it will say so. Of course the transcribers tried to be accurate. But sometimes, being human, they do make mistakes. It is frequently advised that people should always check the original record with the office that holds it, especially if it is important. Most of us, of course, don't. But it can always be wrong. But maybe Andy is one of the rare people who never makes mistakes, and therefore he can contentedly conclude that if someone did make a mistake, something is really wrong with them. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Micklethwaite" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] IGI differs from parish record > Hi Maggie > > At 18:21 18/03/2010, you wrote: >>but my question is really why does >>the IGI, which has large batches for Halifax St Johns, not include >>Lydia's >>marriage? > > It is my belief, based on the PRs I've looked in the Huddersfield area, > that the IGI deliberately misses off 10%. I don't know why, but that's the > way it looks to me! I suppose some could be unreadable, but the ones I've > found missed have always been readable. I don't know what figure other > listers might guess at. Someone I know on another list reckons 20%. > > The IGI submissions can lead you well astray - once someone puts up a > wrong guess, sorry - submission, other members will use that info on > which to base their own guesses. Stick to your guns - if you have the > research to prove it, that's what matters. > > Best Wishes, Andy. > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

One of my ancestors is a John Jagger from Northowram, Halifax. All I really know is that he was the father of William Jagger baptised at Coley 31 October 1779. Looking at the the CD of Halifax St John's marriages (the only church permitted to marry couples in this time and place), I found a marriage of John Jagger to Lydia Longbottom on 5 April 1779. She seems the best candidate but there are others earlier, and there are even more for other children born to a John Jagger in the following 24 years (six in all!!). Lydia was however named as the mother of the late-born Samuel in 1803. My problem is that many researchers have used the IGI rather than the parish records (even the transcribed ones I worked from), and are firmly convinced that the mother of Abraham born to a John Jagger 26 Feb 1784 was Sarah Ambler, married 22 April 1783. But they seem to be basing this conviction on the fact that this is the only applicable marriage to a John Jagger to appear in the IGI. I did have Abraham as a brother to my William, but if he's a son of Sarah, this won't work. I have only found one child positively born to a John and Sarah Jagger, and that was a baptism at the South Parade Wesleyan in the centre of Halifax, in 1804, which has a touch of being rather far from Coley/Northowram where everyone else was baptised. I shall continue to try to solve the mystery of which child belonged to which mother (but feel free to dive in!), but my question is really why does the IGI, which has large batches for Halifax St Johns, not include Lydia's marriage? I've also checked the Pilot search section of the Familysearch website, but no joy. puzzled Maggie

On 18 Mar 2010 at 10:19, Graham Hadfield wrote: > I saw the following post on the English Civil War Society forum and > thought it might be of interest to some on this group. > > **************** > In Morley near Leeds there is a church with undisturbed English Civil > War graves in an excellent state of preservation. Recently planning > permission to alter use of St Mary's in the Wood was advertised. Just > in case you missed this, here's the low down. > > The developer who now owns the site is currently seeking planning > permission for: alterations and addition of new mezzanine floors to > vacant church, to form restaurant and 9 hotels suites and erect 3 > storey detached block of 30 hotel rooms, with removal/relocation of > gravestones, new car parking and landscaping. > > There are no plans to re-site the stones, or to study the archaeology > of the site. > > You can view this here, and make objections online at > http://planningapplications.leeds.gov.uk/publicaccess/tdc/DcApplicatio > n/application_detailview.aspx?caseno=KX7XY6JB0FZ00 > > Please click through and add comments or object, it's your right to > have a say on this matter. Detailed planning drawings are now > available on this site too showing plans to remove gravestones and > trees for car parking. When we talk about Morley being mentioned in > the Domesday book it's this site in particular that was listed. This > is our history, the people who made the town what it is. > > Please join our group and have your say. > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=36206665545&ref=ts > ********************** > As soon as I saw this post I made enquiries, since I have a great-great-uncle, John Stockdill and his wife, Hannah (formerly Senior), buried in this graveyard, plus other relatives by marriage called Middlebrook, several of whom married into the Stockdill family. Hannah and John died in 1865 and 1868 respectively. Actually, setting aside any feelings or comments I might have about the graves of my relatives being interfered with, it was a very useful family history research exercise, since I was able to discover that my gt-gt-uncle and aunt do have a gravestone there; moreover there appear to be three children who died young buried with them whom I had not previously known about. I had quite a lengthy conversation on the phone with a senior partner in the firm of architects who have drawn up the plans and he directed me to the website of Leeds City planning department and talked me through all the documents they have had to submit. They include a spreadsheet of the entire graveyard and photos of the gravestones themselves, which will prove very useful to those on this list who may have ancestors and/relatives buried there. If anyone wants to discover whether they have ancestors or relatives buried at St Mary's in the Wood, Morley, then here is how to do it..... 1) Go to http://planningapplications.leeds.gov.uk/publicaccess/tdc/DcApplication/application_se archform.aspx 2) On the on-screen form that appears type into the very first field the application reference no. 10/00443/FU and click on "Search" at the bottom. 3) In the next screen click on "Click to View". 4) In the next screen click on the link "Associated Documents" and then on "View Associated Documents". 5) You will get a long list of all the documents that have been submitted for this application. If you want to cut out the previous screens, then the direct URL is: http://plandocs.leeds.gov.uk/WAM/showCaseFile.do?appName=planning&appNumbe r=10/00443/FU 6) Finally, scroll down the list of "Document Types" to "Background Papers". There you will find two documents called "Photos of gravestones" and "Spreadsheet of gravestones". The latter lists every grave by number and its occupants and gives you the reference to the jpeg photo in the other file. Unfortunately, the thumbnails are not very large and the inscriptions are not readable. If you go further down that same screen you will also find a lengthy list of objections to the scheme and the reasons. If you study the spreadsheet list of the gravestones you will find there are almost 500 graves in the churchyard, most with more than one person in them, so there must be well over 2,000 people buried there, possibly more since some graves have half-a- dozen in them, though I didn't bother to calculate the actual numbers. Some of the names are highlighted on an orangy-browny background and the architect told me these are the ones scheduled to be built over to form the car park and these are the gravestones that will have to be moved, though he added that some of these may have to be re-scheduled. My John and Hannah Stockdill are among them!!! He also said that in due course there will be another legal process to inform descendants of the plans. I told him that my gt-gt-uncle and aunt had hundreds of descendants alive today in this country and in America, Canada and Australia and I would probably be informing them of the plans. I happen to know that some of them are quite deeply religious and may well be offended. He assured me the whole thing would be done with the greatest sensitivity. We shall see! Personally, I can see both sides of this issue. The architect told me that since the church closed two years ago it had stood empty and been subject to severe vandalism. He asked "Where were all the protestors and objectors who wanted to save it at the time it closed?" A fair point, perhaps. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

I saw the following post on the English Civil War Society forum and thought it might be of interest to some on this group. **************** In Morley near Leeds there is a church with undisturbed English Civil War graves in an excellent state of preservation. Recently planning permission to alter use of St Mary's in the Wood was advertised. Just in case you missed this, here's the low down. The developer who now owns the site is currently seeking planning permission for: alterations and addition of new mezzanine floors to vacant church, to form restaurant and 9 hotels suites and erect 3 storey detached block of 30 hotel rooms, with removal/relocation of gravestones, new car parking and landscaping. There are no plans to re-site the stones, or to study the archaeology of the site. You can view this here, and make objections online at http://planningapplications.leeds.gov.uk/publicaccess/tdc/DcApplication/application_detailview.aspx?caseno=KX7XY6JB0FZ00 Please click through and add comments or object, it's your right to have a say on this matter. Detailed planning drawings are now available on this site too showing plans to remove gravestones and trees for car parking. When we talk about Morley being mentioned in the Domesday book it's this site in particular that was listed. This is our history, the people who made the town what it is. Please join our group and have your say. http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=36206665545&ref=ts ********************** Graham

I haven't seen it mentioned on the list yet, so I thought I'd let you know. From 6th April 2010 the GRO will charge a flat rate of £9.25 per certificate, this price increase will also effect the registry office pricing. So you've got two weeks to get 'em while they're cheap. Steve

Thank you all who sent suggestions - and the recommendation to look at the wonderful Francis Frith photos of Halifax! That was nostalgia time. Out of them all this is the one I shall follow up, I didn't know the library would sell a list. best wishes for St Patrick's day! Maggie -----Original Message----- From: gordon dyson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:05 Subject: Re: [WRY] Halifax Churches Maggie, You can get a paper list of ALL Churches, in the Parish of Halifax from Calderdale Library - - I have copies but mine are quite old and may now be out of date. Mine list 56 CofE Church's and about 200 Non-parochial Churches/Chapels. These give all dates of Registers they hold (on Fiche) for BMD's. If you like, I will photocopy and send the 7 pages to your home address. Regards, Gordon. On 16 March 2010 16:38, <[email protected]> wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a book about the churches of Halifax? I have > tried Genuki but it doesn't give me histories, and I'm particularly > interested to find all the churches in the Ovenden - Northowram - Shelf area, and > when they opened for business. I need to start some serious investigation > into burial places for my family, and don't have a clue which churches they > used. > thanks! > Maggie > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =

On 16 Mar 2010 at 15:27, Jayne England wrote: > Thank you for such interesting info Roy. > The witnesses to the marriage of MWP's parents were (unhelpfully!) > G. STODART & J. YOUNG. The grooms father's occupation is given as "Gas > works canteen manager". Groom's residence is given as Brearly > Street, Leeds 9. > I am waiting for the two copy birth certs to arrive, although the > person who telephoned me back to confirm the certs before issuing them > did mention that the occupation of the father on the one with mother's > maiden surname LEE, is given as "hotel chef". This would tie in with what I have > read the MWP's father and grandfather were also chefs, although of course I > cannot assume anything until seeing both certs. > I was not previously aware of Yorkshire BMD's site, so have checked > the link you provided and sadly the marri! age cert for the WHITE / > LEE couple is not available for download, so I will maybe order that once I have the > births certs, as I admit that is the couple who are looking most > likely to me at the moment. > I am also wondering if perhaps a "hotel chef" registering his son's > birth in > 1927 may turn to being a canteen manager later in life by the time > his son got married in 1954? It's not a million miles away in terms > of occupation - or is it? < I am still puzzled as to why Leeds Register Office say they have two Frank Whites born in 1927 because I have double-checked with FreeBMD and the GRO online birth indexes and can definitely find only the one to which we have already referred you, who was born at Hunslet. The only other possibility is a Dennis F White born in the Dec quarter of 1927 at Leeds, mother's maiden name Steven (9b 457). I suppose it's possible the F may stand for Frank and only the initial has been entered into the GRO indexes. However, that cannot be the one you seek because the matching marriage is of a John W White to a Hettie Steven in the Dec quarter of 1924, so the father of that child wasn't a Frank. It sounds as if they are trying to sell you two birth certificates unnecessarily! As another lister has pointed out, there is a death record for a Frank White at Leeds in 1997 and his DoB is given as 27 April 1927, which accords with the child registered in the June quarter of that year. There are four other Frank Whites whose deaths were recorded at Leeds between 1984 and 2006 but he's the only one who was born in 1927. I am virtually certain that the marriage you want is of Frank White to Nellie Lee in 1922. Unfortunately, Leeds Register Office do not have online ordering, so you will have to order it by phone or post. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi All There's is a write up in my local paper today of John Ostrich aged 14 in 1941, Originally from Cardiff, he now rests in Penzance cemetery. A book is available 'They Shall Grow Not Old' by Billy McGee, which is dedicated to more than 500 boys aged under 16 who died in service with the Merchant Navy during the Second World War. It is only available from the author who can be contacted on [email protected] I have no connection with the author, or the newspaper, I just thought some of you may be interested. Could someone please foreward this to the Cardiff or Wales list. Regards Jane :o)

Hi, I think you may already be realising that a certificate doesn't prove anything if you don't have any information to back it up. We have a relative John HAIGH and there are several born in 1849 (not even certain of the year thanks to poor information in 1881 census) so although I know his father was Joseph there is no point in sending for a birth certificate as it tells me nothing which will prove the parentage of John and I feel this is the case with your birth certificates. When you are sure you have the right age and location a birth certificate will tell you the maiden name of the mother but you need to know the mother's Christian name to confirm what you already know.. I sent for a birth certificate of what I thought was my grandmother born in 1880 in the first quarter - Alice Stephenson, only to discover when it arrived that it was the wrong one because I happened to know the day and month of my grandmother's birthday - I had in fact got the year wrong, she was born 1879. I made the mistake of not checking this as I believed her to be 60 years old when I was born. If I hadn't known I was wrong, I would have researched the wrong family as I didn't know her parents name, they both died when she was young and she was raised by relatives. I also sent for a certificate for a Norman Spence who I found on the War Dead site to see if he was a son of Frederick and Jane Longbottom as the address didn't mean anything to me. While I was busy explaining this to a friend .I discovered a postcard with the same address and I realised I hadn't needed to buy this certificate after all.. I did have their marriage certificate and was trying to identify their children before1901 census data was readily available. They lost 2 sons in WW1 and I recently found records which show that another son was discharged with a medical condition making him unfit for duty. So you need to learn the many different ways you can try to obtain information. I like marriage certificates but am not so keen on birth ones. Death certificates are useful if you know the family as the ones I have seen show a family member giving out the information and the address is known to me. Free BDM is a great tool but it doesn't have everyone on it. The Yorkshire BDM is good if you are researching Hull or Leeds but is limited on other details. I have discovered WW1 war records can often take us beyond the 1911 census with family details. Wills can be a good source of information. I bought two for ancestors who died in 1793 and 1843 and they were full of family details but another one of great grandparents was rather disappointing as he left everything to his wife (I already knew who she was) and didn't mention any other family. Modern Wills could well be similar as many of us leave everything to our partner then to our children unless we have complicated money issues. Baptism records are also good but you need to know the church they were baptised at and in later years many families didn't bother with christenings. Learning how and where to get information is part of the fun of genealogy and what makes it a skill which is challenging and fun and of course you have to check and recheck to avoid tracking the wrong family. I found that it isn't enough to just track ones direct line you benefit from looking at the various branches. Electoral rolls are also useful and newspaper records. I think you can access information from a library close to where you live. My people come from Huddersfield and records seem to be readily available in their main Library. plus they have a FHS which has records. There may be a Family History Society close to you which will have records and someone to guide you. I have to rely on the internet and the legs of people who do go to libraries because I live in an isolated part of Australia without access to any of these. Fellow researchers are very willing to help and it isn't a one way street as sharing information we also share a different way of thinking and can even share certificates and photos thanks to scanners One researcher going to the Huddersfield library has sent me details of 3 inquests. 4 court reports and a death notice from the local paper recently and working as a team (3 others are working on this) we have learned a great deal including that we shared an ancestor who was actually transported for 8 years for stealing 4 herrings. Another ancestor emigrated to Canada and his descendent is researching this line and passing on her information to us. I am in the process of learning how we access information in Australia. Genealogy is a bit like being given a jigsaw with only a few pieces and someone adding more pieces as you go along. Every bit of information helps. Have fun with it. Finding someone famous might sound appealing but there is just as much fun finding ancestors you have searched for. Jean in S. Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jayne England" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 5:57 AM Subject: Re: [WRY] Marco Pierre WHITE > > Thank you for such interesting info Roy. > The witnesses to the marriage of MWP's parents were (unhelpfully!) G. > STODART & J. YOUNG. The grooms father's occupation is given as "Gas works > canteen manager". Groom's residence is given as Brearly Street, Leeds 9. > I am waiting for the two copy birth certs to arrive, although the person > who > telephoned me back to confirm the certs before issuing them did mention > that > the occupation of the father on the one with mother's maiden surname LEE, > is > given as "hotel chef". This would tie in with what I have read the MWP's > father and grandfather were also chefs, although of course I cannot assume > anything until seeing both certs. > I was not previously aware of Yorkshire BMD's site, so have checked the > link > you provided and sadly the marri! age cert for the WHITE / LEE couple is > not > available for download, so I will maybe order that once I have the births > certs, as I admit that is the couple who are looking most likely to me at > the moment. > I am also wondering if perhaps a "hotel chef" registering his son's birth > in > 1927 may turn to being a canteen manager later in life by the time his son > got married in 1954? It's not a million miles away in terms of > occupation - > or is it? > Jayne > > ---------[ Received Mail Content ]---------- > Subject : Re: [WRY] Marco Pierre WHITE > Date : Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:47:23 -0000 > From : "Roy Stockdill" <[email protected]> > To : <[email protected]> > On 16 Mar 2010 at 15:27, Steve Bamford wrote: > > Jayne, > > > > Do you have any other details on the marriage certificate, e.g. > > father's occupation, witnesses (who are often siblings or other > > relatives) - these might give you clues that could help you pin down > > the father. > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I don't know his mother's name May Lou. That's why I'm having probs working out which of two couples is the correct one. However, I have checked the info supplied by Tracy Dunne regarding his father's death and made a note of the date of birth for MPW's known father, so if this matches one of the two birth certs I am waiting for, then as she says, it ir more than likely to be my man. I will of course then know the name of his parents and can <fingers crossed!> proceed in the usual way using the 1911 census etc. Thank you to everyone who has helped me with this. I will let you all know the outcome when the birth certs arrive. Jayne ---------[ Received Mail Content ]---------- Subject : Re: [WRY] Marco Pierre WHITE Date : Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:08:39 EDT From : [email protected] To : [email protected] Hi....what was his mother's name? You can check on his siblings by doing a search on FreeBMD using his mother's maiden name. mary lou

A search of google shows that Marco Pierre White's father Frank died in 1997. The GRO deaths indexes shows he died in the Leeds Reg. district and gives his date of birth as 27 April 1927. Therefore, if one of the birth certs you have also gives this date of birth, you could probably safely assume it to be one and the same person, as I doubt the chances of two people with exactly the same name and date of birth in the same area is very likely! You could also try finding out if he left a Will, which may show more information on the wider family. Hth Tracy

Hi Barrie, Many thanks. I found  Robert Leech who is in Low Bentham on the IGI bap. 21 May 1809 at Clapham son of Christopher Leech and Mary Windle.  He married Ann Willis at Clapham on the 22 March 1834. I can't link any of the others to the information I have at the minute but I'm sure they must all be connected given the close communities.  I just wish I could determine my Richard Leak's birth. I'll keep searching. Regards, Jean ________________________________ From: Barrie Sharples <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 16 March, 2010 19:22:57 Subject: Re: [WRY] LEAK/LEACH/LEACK Jean, Just responded to your request, Windows Mail crashed, my message isn't in 'Sent folder' so I will send again! Bentham Registrars District ( Incl. Townships of: Masongill, Westhouse, Thornton in Lonsdale, Burton in Lonsdale, High & Low Bentham) High Bentham 6 - Gabble Cottage LEAK Thomas, H, M, 40, Farmer of 65 acres, LAN Whittington. LEAK Sarah, W, M, 39, LAN Docker. LEAK John, S, U, 15, YKS Westhouse. LEAK Richard, S, U,14, YKS Westhouse. LEAK Jane, D, 10, LAN Dalton. LEAK Thomas, S, 8, LAN Dalton. LEAK Sarah, D, 6, LAN Dalton. LEAK Joseph, S, 4, YKS Westhouse. LEAK James, S, 2, YKS Westhouse. 20 - Millrow LEAK Sarah, H, W, 67, LAN Tatham. LEAK Jane, D, U, 32, Flax & Tow Carder at Mill, YKS Bentham. LEAK Sarah, D, U, 27, Flax & Tow Carder at Mill, YKS Bentham. 24 - Millrow LEAK Henry, H, M, 48? Journeyman Carpenter, YKS Austwick. LEAK Ellen, W, M, 41, YKS Austwick. LEAK Jane, COUS., 10, YKS Bentham. LEADBETTER, Charles, LODG., U, 25, Clerk to Railway, LAN Manchester. 25 - Millrow LEAK William, H, M, 52, Mill Lab, Flax, YKS Bentham. LEAK Ann, W, M, 56, Thorton. LEAK Agnes, D, U, 27, Works as a spinner at flax Mill, YKS Bentham. LEAK Ellen, D, U, 24, Works as a spinner at flax Mill, YKS Bentham. LEAK John, S, U, 19, Apprentice to Boot & Shoe Maker, YKS Bentham. LEAK William, S, U, 15? Mill Lab., YKS Bentham. LEAK Nancy, D, 12, Works in Flax Mill, YKS Bentham. LEAK James, G.S., 3, YKS Bentham. Thornton in Lonsdale 78 - Vicarage LEACH Thomas, H, M, 33, Vicar, Thornton in L., LAN Preston. LEACH Ann Elizabeth, W, M, 33, LAN Hawkshead. LEACH Thomas, S, 2, LAN Hawkshead. LEACH Charl'te Isab., S(D), 2, YKS Thornton Town. HEY Mary, SERV., U, 45, House Servant, YKS Slaidburn. DOWBIGGIN Alice, SERV., U, 19, Nurse & Assist. Hs. Serv. LAN Hawkshead. Low Bentham 59 LEECH Robert, H, M, 42, Ag. Lab., YKS Clapham. LEECH Ann, W, M, 39, YKS Clapham. LEECH Christopher, S, U, 14, Glaziers Ap., YKS Clapham. LEECH Bridget, D, U, 12, Doffer at Flax Mill, LEECH Henry, S, U, 10, Half time at Flax Mill, LEECH Isabella, D, 8, Scholar, LEECH Robert, S, 5, LAN Skerton. LEECH William, S, 2, YKS Bentham. Fingers Crossed. Barrie Sharples North Yorkshire PS Austwick is about 1.5 miles from Clapham via Thwaite Lane, (Lovely stroll in nice weather) nowdays C. 3 miles of busy roads. Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jean, Just responded to your request, Windows Mail crashed, my message isn't in 'Sent folder' so I will send again! Bentham Registrars District ( Incl. Townships of: Masongill, Westhouse, Thornton in Lonsdale, Burton in Lonsdale, High & Low Bentham) High Bentham 6 - Gabble Cottage LEAK Thomas, H, M, 40, Farmer of 65 acres, LAN Whittington. LEAK Sarah, W, M, 39, LAN Docker. LEAK John, S, U, 15, YKS Westhouse. LEAK Richard, S, U,14, YKS Westhouse. LEAK Jane, D, 10, LAN Dalton. LEAK Thomas, S, 8, LAN Dalton. LEAK Sarah, D, 6, LAN Dalton. LEAK Joseph, S, 4, YKS Westhouse. LEAK James, S, 2, YKS Westhouse. 20 - Millrow LEAK Sarah, H, W, 67, LAN Tatham. LEAK Jane, D, U, 32, Flax & Tow Carder at Mill, YKS Bentham. LEAK Sarah, D, U, 27, Flax & Tow Carder at Mill, YKS Bentham. 24 - Millrow LEAK Henry, H, M, 48? Journeyman Carpenter, YKS Austwick. LEAK Ellen, W, M, 41, YKS Austwick. LEAK Jane, COUS., 10, YKS Bentham. LEADBETTER, Charles, LODG., U, 25, Clerk to Railway, LAN Manchester. 25 - Millrow LEAK William, H, M, 52, Mill Lab, Flax, YKS Bentham. LEAK Ann, W, M, 56, Thorton. LEAK Agnes, D, U, 27, Works as a spinner at flax Mill, YKS Bentham. LEAK Ellen, D, U, 24, Works as a spinner at flax Mill, YKS Bentham. LEAK John, S, U, 19, Apprentice to Boot & Shoe Maker, YKS Bentham. LEAK William, S, U, 15? Mill Lab., YKS Bentham. LEAK Nancy, D, 12, Works in Flax Mill, YKS Bentham. LEAK James, G.S., 3, YKS Bentham. Thornton in Lonsdale 78 - Vicarage LEACH Thomas, H, M, 33, Vicar, Thornton in L., LAN Preston. LEACH Ann Elizabeth, W, M, 33, LAN Hawkshead. LEACH Thomas, S, 2, LAN Hawkshead. LEACH Charl'te Isab., S(D), 2, YKS Thornton Town. HEY Mary, SERV., U, 45, House Servant, YKS Slaidburn. DOWBIGGIN Alice, SERV., U, 19, Nurse & Assist. Hs. Serv. LAN Hawkshead. Low Bentham 59 LEECH Robert, H, M, 42, Ag. Lab., YKS Clapham. LEECH Ann, W, M, 39, YKS Clapham. LEECH Christopher, S, U, 14, Glaziers Ap., YKS Clapham. LEECH Bridget, D, U, 12, Doffer at Flax Mill, LEECH Henry, S, U, 10, Half time at Flax Mill, LEECH Isabella, D, 8, Scholar, LEECH Robert, S, 5, LAN Skerton. LEECH William, S, 2, YKS Bentham. Fingers Crossed. Barrie Sharples North Yorkshire PS Austwick is about 1.5 miles from Clapham via Thwaite Lane, (Lovely stroll in nice weather) nowdays C. 3 miles of busy roads.

Hi....what was his mother's name? You can check on his siblings by doing a search on FreeBMD using his mother's maiden name. mary lou In a message dated 3/16/2010 7:33:22 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Dear list members, I am new to this list and hoping someone can advise me. I am researching a family tale that suggests there is a distant family connection to this well known Leeds chef. The story goes on to say the connection arises through MPW's paternal line - the WHITE family. I have a copy of the marriage cert for MPW's parents and therein lies my problem. Marco's father was named Frank WHITE, the son of Frank WHITE according to his marriage cert. His age given on marriage would suggest the year of birth as 1927. I have contacted Leeds Register Office and they have searched for the birth of a Frank White, with father named Frank +/- 2 years either side of 1927 and come up with TWO options. Both born in Leeds and both in 1927. So now I am stumped as to which one is the correct set of parents! I also do not know the names if any, of siblings to MWP's father, so can't even work out who the parents were via his siblings. I have tried a search of google etc but cannot find anything that shows the genealogical "tree" of this celebrity, so if anyone could point me in the right direction, or can advise me on how to differentiate between the two sets of parents, I would be pleased to hear from you. I live in the West Country, so do not have access to local archives, libraries etc in Yorkshire, so any searching I need to do has to be done remotely. Thank you! Jayne Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maggie, You can get a paper list of ALL Churches, in the Parish of Halifax from Calderdale Library - - I have copies but mine are quite old and may now be out of date. Mine list 56 CofE Church's and about 200 Non-parochial Churches/Chapels. These give all dates of Registers they hold (on Fiche) for BMD's. If you like, I will photocopy and send the 7 pages to your home address. Regards, Gordon. On 16 March 2010 16:38, <[email protected]> wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a book about the churches of Halifax? I have > tried Genuki but it doesn't give me histories, and I'm particularly > interested  to find all the churches in the Ovenden - Northowram - Shelf area, and > when they  opened for business. I need to start some serious investigation > into burial  places for my family, and don't have a clue which churches they > used. > thanks! > Maggie > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

>From Alan Longbottom Maggie Try looking at the latest trade directory for Halifax shown on the Leics University Historical Directories pages Also look at Malcolm Bulls - calderdale companion web-site Yorkshire Indexers also have a series of pages for churches on their site at www.yorkshireindexers.co.uk For this site you have to register but it is a free site Alan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 16 March 2010 16:39 To: [email protected] Subject: [WRY] Halifax Churches Does anyone know if there is a book about the churches of Halifax? I have tried Genuki but it doesn't give me histories, and I'm particularly interested to find all the churches in the Ovenden - Northowram - Shelf area, and when they opened for business. I need to start some serious investigation into burial places for my family, and don't have a clue which churches they used. thanks! Maggie Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Maggie, Thanks for that prompt reply. Jean Spencer ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 16 March, 2010 16:31:50 Subject: Re: [WRY] LEAK/LEACH/LEACK You could google Hugh Wallis, Jean. He gives entries from the IGI grouped  into (and searchable by) parish batch numbers, but only the "proper" batch  numbers begining with a letter. So there can always be more in those informal  batches, only accessible (as far as I know) via the IGI. good luck! Maggie Would you know if there is a web-site for the IGI batch  numbers? Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Barry, Thanks for your reply.  You will no doubt see my reply to Roy Stockdill.  I haven't looked any further than Long Preston and Clapham at the moment. I found a Richard LEACH on the 1851 Census in Long Preston aged 35, a butcher born in Clapham. His parents were a Christopher LEECH and Ann CARR.  A Mary LEECH(nee WINDLE)  in Clapham in 1861 aged 77,  widow of another Christopher LEECH.  Her son William aged 53 appears to have been born in Austwick.  I need to the look at a map to see where that is in relation to Clapham, but probably not far. If it's not too mouch trouble I would appreciate the information.  Something may tie in. Regards, Jean Spencer Lancashire ________________________________ From: Barrie Sharples <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, 15 March, 2010 13:18:16 Subject: Re: [WRY] LEAK/LEACH/LEACK Hi Jean, There are over twenty LEAKS on the 1851 Bentham Registrars District. There is no Richard b. abt. 1782 only one b. 1837 (Yks Westhouse), son of Thomas b. 1811, LAN Wittington. I note that some of the siblings of the above Richard were b. in LANCS, Docker & Dalton. Some of the LEAKS were neighbours of my TEMPEST, if you find a link I can send you some digipics of the dwellings. Bentham is quite close to Clapham, although none of the listed LEAKS have this recorded as their birthplace, if you don't have these details I would be happy to send them if you wish. Regards Barrie Sharples North Yorkshire N.B. There are 8 LEECH, all b. Clapham, plus 4 LEACH 1 b. LAN Preston, 1 b. LAN Hawkshead rest b. either Slaidburn or Thorton-in-Lonsdale. Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message