Hi  Some specific problems that need looking at are Burials 1888-0904 attributed to Castleford St John. These are Castleford All Saints, Pontefract FHS has just transcribed them. Castleford St John did not open until 1905 and WYAS only has baptisms 1914-1950 in the catalogue of deposited registers. No burials ever took place at Castleford St John. Early registers attributed to Wakefield Christchurch, again are Castleford All Saints. Early registers attributed to Kippax, St Mary are actually Kirk Deighton and Kippax, St Mary registers are indexed as Hunslet Moor, St Cuthbert Sharon Buchanan vicechair@pontefractfhs.org.uk www.pontefractfhs.org.uk --- On Thu, 14/7/11, maggiemole@aol.com <maggiemole@aol.com> wrote: From: maggiemole@aol.com <maggiemole@aol.com> Subject: Re: [WRY] West Yorkshire Parish Records on Ancestry To: ctaylor@wyjs.org.uk Cc: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, 14 July, 2011, 20:40 Dear Catherine, Thank you for such a helpful reply. When the information is correct it really is splendid, and I'm pleased that Ancestry understand the importance of correcting it. We'll await the results in August eagerly. If you want an example of the combining of two churches within one batch, it has happened with Royston St John the Baptist and Sowerby St Peter's. One of the list members gave us a baptism of Thomas Cooper, son of Robert, in 1733 which appears twice in the index, once at each church, and the image pages in the Royston batch are from both churches. The correct parish is not easily identified if you don't know the area, so I symathise with their problem - a bit. If you don't mind, I would ask the list to report any new problems to you directly and copy the list: please, listers, give a full example if it's a new problem so that Ancestry can work out what has happened. Many thanks Maggie -----Original Message----- From: Catherine Taylor <ctaylor@wyjs.org.uk> To: 'maggiemole@aol.com' <maggiemole@aol.com> CC: 'WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com' <WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:20 Subject: RE: West Yorkshire Parish Records on Ancestry Dear Maggie (and rootsweb members), Thank you for your email which has been passed to me as I currently have oversight of our contract with Ancestry.co.uk. As you mention in your email there are a number of issues with the data as it currently is provided on Ancestry.  I think I was aware of all the issues you mention and have reported them to Ancestry and since been in discussion with them about how they are to fix the problems.  The reason it has taken me a few days to reply to you was so I could get the latest information from ancestry to pass on. You mention the following as being the particularly problems you have noticed: - an individual's record being attributed to more than one parish church - an individual's record being attributed to the wrong church - more than one church's records within what is meant to be a single batch - that your own labelling at the foot of an image has been cut off on the display, so we cannot cross-check from your paper documents The first two appear to have been at least partially caused by Ancestry using the information on the head of the page to create the parish attribute rather than the reference number from the image (your issue four has not helped with this), further difficulties seem to have been caused by them confusing records from one diocese and attributing them to another.  With regards issue three I have been unable to ascertain why this has happened. What Ancestry have agreed to do is to check each image against the reference numbers and correct the citation and parish attribution as necessary. It is hoped that the amended indexing will be live from August. I am working alongside Ancestry to offer advice where they are struggling to correctly identify the images. At the same time Ancestry are apparently going to fix some of the more common transcription issues such as where surnames have been omitted or names have been commonly mis-transcribed e.g. Lykes for Sykes. I hope that this will go a long way to fixing the problems but would be grateful if you could continue to highlight any further major errors. Yours sincerely, Catherine Catherine Taylor E-Services/Offsite Services Coordinator West Yorkshire Archive Service West Yorkshire Joint Services PO Box 5, Nepshaw Lane South Morley, Leeds LS27 0QP (LS27 7JQ for sat nav) t: +44 (0)113 289 8287 f: +44 (0)113 2530311 w: http://www.archives.wyjs.org.uk West Yorkshire Archive Service has launched it's e-shop! You can now purchase most of our services online athttps://eshop.wyjs.org.uk/ including research service time, copies from the Registry of Deeds and from our collections as well as high quality colour tithe maps of the Leeds area! From: maggiemole@aol.com [mailto:maggiemole@aol.com] Sent: 10 July 2011 10:55 To: Archives Cc: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com Subject: West Yorkshire Parish Records on Ancestry Dear WYJS, In common with other genealogy researchers, I have been using the recent releases of the above records on Ancestry. In many cases, I have been rewarded with information I did not previously have and which would have taken inordinate effort to acquire - so the release is very welcome, and the images remarkably clear to read. Well done! However, there are also many errors of indexing coming to light. I am copying the rootsweb mailing list as you can see above as complaints have been aired widely across the world over the last week or so. I wonder what supervision you have had over the indexing process? We have found: - an individual's record being attributed to more than one parish church - an individual's record being attributed to the wrong church - more than one church's records within what is meant to be a single batch - that your own labelling at the foot of an image has been cut off on the display, so we cannot cross-check from your paper documents and generally widespread confusion. Do you have any comments on this, please? We would be more than willing to provide examples of these and probably other issues, if you are not already aware of them. (I have not been appointed spokesman for the group, but have taken it upon myself to ask you what is going on, and what can be done to put matters right - someone has to. If this offends any member of the group, I apologise.) I/we look forward to your response. best wishes Maggie Berry, in Surrey -- Scanned by iCritical. Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Catherine, Thank you for such a helpful reply. When the information is correct it really is splendid, and I'm pleased that Ancestry understand the importance of correcting it. We'll await the results in August eagerly. If you want an example of the combining of two churches within one batch, it has happened with Royston St John the Baptist and Sowerby St Peter's. One of the list members gave us a baptism of Thomas Cooper, son of Robert, in 1733 which appears twice in the index, once at each church, and the image pages in the Royston batch are from both churches. The correct parish is not easily identified if you don't know the area, so I symathise with their problem - a bit. If you don't mind, I would ask the list to report any new problems to you directly and copy the list: please, listers, give a full example if it's a new problem so that Ancestry can work out what has happened. Many thanks Maggie -----Original Message----- From: Catherine Taylor <ctaylor@wyjs.org.uk> To: 'maggiemole@aol.com' <maggiemole@aol.com> CC: 'WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com' <WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:20 Subject: RE: West Yorkshire Parish Records on Ancestry Dear Maggie (and rootsweb members), Thank you for your email which has been passed to me as I currently have oversight of our contract with Ancestry.co.uk. As you mention in your email there are a number of issues with the data as it currently is provided on Ancestry. I think I was aware of all the issues you mention and have reported them to Ancestry and since been in discussion with them about how they are to fix the problems. The reason it has taken me a few days to reply to you was so I could get the latest information from ancestry to pass on. You mention the following as being the particularly problems you have noticed: - an individual's record being attributed to more than one parish church - an individual's record being attributed to the wrong church - more than one church's records within what is meant to be a single batch - that your own labelling at the foot of an image has been cut off on the display, so we cannot cross-check from your paper documents The first two appear to have been at least partially caused by Ancestry using the information on the head of the page to create the parish attribute rather than the reference number from the image (your issue four has not helped with this), further difficulties seem to have been caused by them confusing records from one diocese and attributing them to another. With regards issue three I have been unable to ascertain why this has happened. What Ancestry have agreed to do is to check each image against the reference numbers and correct the citation and parish attribution as necessary. It is hoped that the amended indexing will be live from August. I am working alongside Ancestry to offer advice where they are struggling to correctly identify the images. At the same time Ancestry are apparently going to fix some of the more common transcription issues such as where surnames have been omitted or names have been commonly mis-transcribed e.g. Lykes for Sykes. I hope that this will go a long way to fixing the problems but would be grateful if you could continue to highlight any further major errors. Yours sincerely, Catherine Catherine Taylor E-Services/Offsite Services Coordinator West Yorkshire Archive Service West Yorkshire Joint Services PO Box 5, Nepshaw Lane South Morley, Leeds LS27 0QP (LS27 7JQ for sat nav) t: +44 (0)113 289 8287 f: +44 (0)113 2530311 w: http://www.archives.wyjs.org.uk West Yorkshire Archive Service has launched it's e-shop! You can now purchase most of our services online athttps://eshop.wyjs.org.uk/ including research service time, copies from the Registry of Deeds and from our collections as well as high quality colour tithe maps of the Leeds area! From: maggiemole@aol.com [mailto:maggiemole@aol.com] Sent: 10 July 2011 10:55 To: Archives Cc: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com Subject: West Yorkshire Parish Records on Ancestry Dear WYJS, In common with other genealogy researchers, I have been using the recent releases of the above records on Ancestry. In many cases, I have been rewarded with information I did not previously have and which would have taken inordinate effort to acquire - so the release is very welcome, and the images remarkably clear to read. Well done! However, there are also many errors of indexing coming to light. I am copying the rootsweb mailing list as you can see above as complaints have been aired widely across the world over the last week or so. I wonder what supervision you have had over the indexing process? We have found: - an individual's record being attributed to more than one parish church - an individual's record being attributed to the wrong church - more than one church's records within what is meant to be a single batch - that your own labelling at the foot of an image has been cut off on the display, so we cannot cross-check from your paper documents and generally widespread confusion. Do you have any comments on this, please? We would be more than willing to provide examples of these and probably other issues, if you are not already aware of them. (I have not been appointed spokesman for the group, but have taken it upon myself to ask you what is going on, and what can be done to put matters right - someone has to. If this offends any member of the group, I apologise.) I/we look forward to your response. best wishes Maggie Berry, in Surrey -- Scanned by iCritical.

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Thanks Maggie, 2 certificates should definately help clear this. Thank you for doing the checking for me. Will advise when certificates are to hand and if they clear the puzzle.. Kind regards - June -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of maggiemole@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, 13 July 2011 1:08 AM To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WRY] SMITH Hi June, This gets more and more mysterious. As you hadn't mentioned the 1911 census, I took the liberty of finding Susan and her family then: here it is. DAVIES, GEORGE HEAD MARRIED

Thanks Maggie As far as I am aware the census information is the only information I can go by. My ggrandfather's marriage certificate in 1867 says that his father William Smith, contractor is deceased. My grandfather's marriage certificate in 1906 says that his father is Charles Smith, coal miner, deceased, but his birth certificate says his father is Thomas Smith. I don't know what else to go on. But thanks for your reply. Regards - June -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of maggiemole@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2011 5:34 PM To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WRY] SMITH June, Anyone researching Smiths has my sympathy! This may be a ridiculous suggestion, but might it be that Thomas and Charles are the same person? There are such a number of possible birth places which you quote, but Haywood Little and Little Hawswood do have some similarity. Also Little Haywood is in Staffordshire, Little Hawswood is somewhere I can't locate. Are you only able to go by census information? It's a bit limiting especially in a case like this. good luck! Maggie -----Original Message----- From: June Chan <mai_ling@aapt.net.au> To: WEST-RIDING-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 4:22 Subject: [WRY] SMITH I am reposting my brick wall in the hope that new eyes or a new look with old eyes might be able to give me any hints for further checking. Below is the information I have: My grandfather Thomas Smith born 1885, Millhouses Darfield, married in 1906, by which time his father has died and his mother has remarried a Charles Smith (still trying to find out if they are related). Thomas' father is also Thomas. 1871 census my ggrandfather is with his wife Susan in Rotherham. Susan is from Staffordshire. Thomas says he was born in Leeds. He is 24. 1881 census he is with his wife and family in Darfield and says he was born in Haywood Little Yorkshire. He is 35 By 1891 he must have died as his family are with Charles Smith in Rotheram, Charles says he was born in Little Hawswood Yorkshire In 1901 the family are all together but this time Charles says he was born in Dudley. Thomas married Sussanah (Susan) Marston in Dudley in 1867 at this time he states that his father is William Smith, deceased contractor. I have tried to find either my grandfather, great grandfather or gg grandfather in either 1861, 1851 or 1841. But the common name and a positive lack of a place are not helping. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you June Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message = Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am reposting my brick wall in the hope that new eyes or a new look with old eyes might be able to give me any hints for further checking. Below is the information I have: My grandfather Thomas Smith born 1885, Millhouses Darfield, married in 1906, by which time his father has died and his mother has remarried a Charles Smith (still trying to find out if they are related). Thomas' father is also Thomas. 1871 census my ggrandfather is with his wife Susan in Rotherham. Susan is from Staffordshire. Thomas says he was born in Leeds. He is 24. 1881 census he is with his wife and family in Darfield and says he was born in Haywood Little Yorkshire. He is 35 By 1891 he must have died as his family are with Charles Smith in Rotheram, Charles says he was born in Little Hawswood Yorkshire In 1901 the family are all together but this time Charles says he was born in Dudley. Thomas married Sussanah (Susan) Marston in Dudley in 1867 at this time he states that his father is William Smith, deceased contractor. I have tried to find either my grandfather, great grandfather or gg grandfather in either 1861, 1851 or 1841. But the common name and a positive lack of a place are not helping. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you June

Hi June, This gets more and more mysterious. As you hadn't mentioned the 1911 census, I took the liberty of finding Susan and her family then: here it is. DAVIES, GEORGE HEAD MARRIED M 27 COAL MINER HEWER NORMANTON YORKSHIRE DAVIES, SUSANNAH WIFE MARRIED F 24 DARFIELD YORKSHIRE DAVIES, SUSANNAH DAUGHTER F 3 THURNSCOE YORKSHIRE DAVIES, FLORENCE MAY DAUGHTER F 2 THURNSCOE YORKSHIRE SMITH, SUSAN MOTHER IN LAW MARRIED F 63 CLAY HILLS SHROPSHIRE SMITH, JACK SON SINGLE M 19 ASSISTANT BANKSMAN COLLIERY ABOVE GROUND GREASEBORO YORKSHIRE TURTON, EMILY ADOPTED DAUGHTER SINGLE F 19 JUMP YORKSHIRE HUGHES, WILLIAM BOARDER WIDOWER M 61 COLLIERY LABOURER ABOVE GROUND BLACK HEATH STAFFORDSHIRE SMITH SUSAN (RG14PN28182 RG78PN1609 RD512 SD2 ED26 SN327) Address 59 WHITWORTHS BLDS THURNSCOE EAST NEAR ROTHERHAM County Yorkshire West Riding District Doncaster Subdistrict Barnbrough Enumeration District 26 Parish Thurnscoe As the family are in Thurnscoe, I assume they did not move from there between 1901 and 1911. Yet the only Smith death registered in Doncaster between 1901 and 1911 with a birth date of 1848 plus or minus 2 is Thomas. Do you have the certificate below to rule him out? Thomas Smith est birth year about 1850, Jan-Feb-Mar 1905, Doncaster, age at death 55, vol 9c page 49. Widening the birth date net to five years, there is also a Charles, died Jan-Feb-Mar 1911 est birth year about 1843, Doncaster, vol 9c page 578. Susan says she is still married in 1911 but this contradicts your grandfather's marriage information. Frustratingly, she does not say how many years she had been married! Emily Turton seems to have come from nowhere: I don't know where she was in 1901, can't find an obvious candidate. Do you know Susan's maiden name? (Should be on your grandfather's birth certificate). It might help decide both marriages. But I still feel the two men are one and the same. There's only one Little Haywood or anything like it, and it is in Staffordshire not Yorkshire, despite what the enumerator wrote down. (someone else is bound to contradict such a flat statement!) Two certificates isn't much of a price if it solves a ten-year-old mystery for you. best wishes Maggie -----Original Message----- From: June Chan <mai_ling@aapt.net.au> To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:40 Subject: Re: [WRY] SMITH Thanks Maggie As far as I am aware the census information is the only information I can go by. My ggrandfather's marriage certificate in 1867 says that his father William Smith, contractor is deceased. My grandfather's marriage certificate in 1906 says that his father is Charles Smith, coal miner, deceased, but his birth certificate says his father is Thomas Smith. I don't know what else to go on. But thanks for your reply. Regards - June -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of maggiemole@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2011 5:34 PM To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WRY] SMITH June, Anyone researching Smiths has my sympathy! This may be a ridiculous suggestion, but might it be that Thomas and Charles are the same person? There are such a number of possible birth places which you quote, but Haywood Little and Little Hawswood do have some similarity. Also Little Haywood is in Staffordshire, Little Hawswood is somewhere I can't locate. Are you only able to go by census information? It's a bit limiting especially in a case like this. good luck! Maggie -----Original Message----- From: June Chan <mai_ling@aapt.net.au> To: WEST-RIDING-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 4:22 Subject: [WRY] SMITH I am reposting my brick wall in the hope that new eyes or a new look with old eyes might be able to give me any hints for further checking. Below is the information I have: My grandfather Thomas Smith born 1885, Millhouses Darfield, married in 1906, by which time his father has died and his mother has remarried a Charles Smith (still trying to find out if they are related). Thomas' father is also Thomas. 1871 census my ggrandfather is with his wife Susan in Rotherham. Susan is from Staffordshire. Thomas says he was born in Leeds. He is 24. 1881 census he is with his wife and family in Darfield and says he was born in Haywood Little Yorkshire. He is 35 By 1891 he must have died as his family are with Charles Smith in Rotheram, Charles says he was born in Little Hawswood Yorkshire In 1901 the family are all together but this time Charles says he was born in Dudley. Thomas married Sussanah (Susan) Marston in Dudley in 1867 at this time he states that his father is William Smith, deceased contractor. I have tried to find either my grandfather, great grandfather or gg grandfather in either 1861, 1851 or 1841. But the common name and a positive lack of a place are not helping. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you June Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message = Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

June, Anyone researching Smiths has my sympathy! This may be a ridiculous suggestion, but might it be that Thomas and Charles are the same person? There are such a number of possible birth places which you quote, but Haywood Little and Little Hawswood do have some similarity. Also Little Haywood is in Staffordshire, Little Hawswood is somewhere I can't locate. Are you only able to go by census information? It's a bit limiting especially in a case like this. good luck! Maggie -----Original Message----- From: June Chan <mai_ling@aapt.net.au> To: WEST-RIDING-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 4:22 Subject: [WRY] SMITH I am reposting my brick wall in the hope that new eyes or a new look with old eyes might be able to give me any hints for further checking. Below is the information I have: My grandfather Thomas Smith born 1885, Millhouses Darfield, married in 1906, by which time his father has died and his mother has remarried a Charles Smith (still trying to find out if they are related). Thomas' father is also Thomas. 1871 census my ggrandfather is with his wife Susan in Rotherham. Susan is from Staffordshire. Thomas says he was born in Leeds. He is 24. 1881 census he is with his wife and family in Darfield and says he was born in Haywood Little Yorkshire. He is 35 By 1891 he must have died as his family are with Charles Smith in Rotheram, Charles says he was born in Little Hawswood Yorkshire In 1901 the family are all together but this time Charles says he was born in Dudley. Thomas married Sussanah (Susan) Marston in Dudley in 1867 at this time he states that his father is William Smith, deceased contractor. I have tried to find either my grandfather, great grandfather or gg grandfather in either 1861, 1851 or 1841. But the common name and a positive lack of a place are not helping. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you June Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =

It seems we are not the only list to have problems with Ancestry's indexing. Here's one from a list I'm on in Pennsylvania. Maggie Here's what I sent--under the title 1830 York Co., PA indexing error It has come to the attention of Wayne Co. Pa family researchers that Manchester Twnp, Wayne Co., PA-- has in error --- been indexed in Manchester Twp of York Co., PA. Easy to see how that is going to confuse and obfuscate research! Thank heavens for technology--- corrections become instant! Thank you so much in advance-- Sheila S. Stover -----Original Message----- From: Firehair3@aol.com To: pawayne@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 22:09 Subject: [PAWAYNE] ANCESTRY.COM ERROR Here's what I sent--under the title 1830 York Co., PA indexing error It has come to the attention of Wayne Co. Pa family researchers that Manchester Twnp, Wayne Co., PA-- has in error --- been indexed in Manchester Twp of York Co., PA. Easy to see how that is going to confuse and obfuscate research! Thank heavens for technology--- corrections become instant! Thank you so much in advance-- Sheila S. Stover In a message dated 7/11/2011 4:56:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Firehair3@aol.com writes: Will do, Ann, it adds ti the long list of what Ancestry won't fix. We all appreciate the mass of on line records, but---having wrong info out there doesn't help---those of us who dig til we drop---or those who believe TV and accept their leaves as gospel and thank you so much for the info as to where some of the 1830s folks went to--- in a case or two--seeing a familiar name in York Co. trying to migrate folks you could document didn't--- or tie in folks who seemed the same--but----------an exercise in huuuuuh? Hope all on list are well! Sheila/Firehair---in way too hot NC In a message dated 7/11/2011 3:04:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, yannster@ptd.net writes: I'm having a little tiff with Ancestry.com. I discovered that the residents of Manchester Township on the 1830 census were indexed in York County. Apparently there is also a Manchester Township in York. Perhaps if enough of us complain they'll actually fix it. I have pointed out that the census enumerator, Eliphalet Kellogg, is correctly listed as a resident of Bethany. Ann ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well done Maggie, if you need any examples we have come across plenty for our particular area Sharon Buchanan vicechair@pontefractfhs.org.uk www.pontefractfhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: maggiemole@aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 10:54 AM To: archives@wyjs.org.uk Cc: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com Subject: [WRY] West Yorkshire Parish Records on Ancestry Dear WYJS, In common with other genealogy researchers, I have been using the recent releases of the above records on Ancestry. In many cases, I have been rewarded with information I did not previously have and which would have taken inordinate effort to acquire - so the release is very welcome, and the images remarkably clear to read. Well done! However, there are also many errors of indexing coming to light. I am copying the rootsweb mailing list as you can see above as complaints have been aired widely across the world over the last week or so. I wonder what supervision you have had over the indexing process? We have found: - an individual's record being attributed to more than one parish church - an individual's record being attributed to the wrong church - more than one church's records within what is meant to be a single batch - that your own labelling at the foot of an image has been cut off on the display, so we cannot cross-check from your paper documents and generally widespread confusion. Do you have any comments on this, please? We would be more than willing to provide examples of these and probably other issues, if you are not already aware of them. (I have not been appointed spokesman for the group, but have taken it upon myself to ask you what is going on, and what can be done to put matters right - someone has to. If this offends any member of the group, I apologise.) I/we look forward to your response. best wishes Maggie Berry, in Surrey Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear WYJS, In common with other genealogy researchers, I have been using the recent releases of the above records on Ancestry. In many cases, I have been rewarded with information I did not previously have and which would have taken inordinate effort to acquire - so the release is very welcome, and the images remarkably clear to read. Well done! However, there are also many errors of indexing coming to light. I am copying the rootsweb mailing list as you can see above as complaints have been aired widely across the world over the last week or so. I wonder what supervision you have had over the indexing process? We have found: - an individual's record being attributed to more than one parish church - an individual's record being attributed to the wrong church - more than one church's records within what is meant to be a single batch - that your own labelling at the foot of an image has been cut off on the display, so we cannot cross-check from your paper documents and generally widespread confusion. Do you have any comments on this, please? We would be more than willing to provide examples of these and probably other issues, if you are not already aware of them. (I have not been appointed spokesman for the group, but have taken it upon myself to ask you what is going on, and what can be done to put matters right - someone has to. If this offends any member of the group, I apologise.) I/we look forward to your response. best wishes Maggie Berry, in Surrey

Checking with the YPRS printed parish register for Kippax, items indexed on Ancestry as Hunslet Moor, St Cuthbert are actually Kippax St Mary. Items indexed as Kippax are actually Kirk Deighton Sharon Buchanan vicechair@pontefractfhs.org.uk www.pontefractfhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Cambridge Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:04 PM To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: [WRY] West Riding PR muddles on Ancestry In my search for TATE and TOWNEND of Kippax, which is in the Liberty of Pontefract I found them at Hunslet Moor, St Cuthbert which I believe is in the Diocese of Ripon and Leeds. Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Harley" <Anne@eborel.co.uk> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 6:42 AM Subject: [WRY] West Riding PR muddles on Ancestry Hi all Following recent reports, I have just tripped over another attribution which can't be possible. Halifax All Souls Haley Hill is a church which dates from the late 1850s. I picked up a few christenings from the 1500s and 1600s indexed as taking place at this church and when I cross-check with the IGI they seem to be Elland baptisms. Hope this helps someone find missing relatives Anne Harley Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Sharon. I appreciate that clarification. Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pontefract FHS" <pontefhs@btinternet.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] West Riding PR muddles on Ancestry Checking with the YPRS printed parish register for Kippax, items indexed on Ancestry as Hunslet Moor, St Cuthbert are actually Kippax St Mary. Items indexed as Kippax are actually Kirk Deighton Sharon Buchanan vicechair@pontefractfhs.org.uk www.pontefractfhs.org.uk

Hi all Following recent reports, I have just tripped over another attribution which can't be possible. Halifax All Souls Haley Hill is a church which dates from the late 1850s. I picked up a few christenings from the 1500s and 1600s indexed as taking place at this church and when I cross-check with the IGI they seem to be Elland baptisms. Hope this helps someone find missing relatives Anne Harley

In my search for TATE and TOWNEND of Kippax, which is in the Liberty of Pontefract I found them at Hunslet Moor, St Cuthbert which I believe is in the Diocese of Ripon and Leeds. Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Harley" <Anne@eborel.co.uk> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 6:42 AM Subject: [WRY] West Riding PR muddles on Ancestry Hi all Following recent reports, I have just tripped over another attribution which can't be possible. Halifax All Souls Haley Hill is a church which dates from the late 1850s. I picked up a few christenings from the 1500s and 1600s indexed as taking place at this church and when I cross-check with the IGI they seem to be Elland baptisms. Hope this helps someone find missing relatives Anne Harley

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At 11:34 AM 08/07/2011, you wrote: >Dear Roy > >Many thanks for your help. > >I have looked at this possibility. > > >From the IGI, william had 3 siblings all baptized in Knaresborough: >1. John bapt. 01 03 1679 >2. William bapt. 13 03 1681, and >3. Jonathan bapt. 05 08 1684 who most probably is the Jonathan that >married Mary Coward 26 12 1709 in Knaresborough. > >I realise that Knaresborough isn't that far as the crow flies from >Easingwold, but I have always thought, having looked at different >family lines, that there are different branches of SCAIFE in >Easingwold, Knaresborough, Hampsthwiate, and one or two other places. > >Since you've been so kind, can you possibly advise where to go now, >bearing in mind I live (and am stuck) in Tenerife? > >Thanks again >Lynne. ------------- Lynne have you been in contact with Rick Hammond in B.C. Canada. He is related to some Scaifes from around Easingwold. His email address is rickh@telus.net. He might be able to help you. Cheers Doug Appleton Web Site: http://appld.sasktelwebsite.net SEARCHING: Appleton, Bate, Downey, Flintoff, Harker, Hunter, Kilvington, Lang, Maidens, Nodding, Smith, Weighell, Wilkinson Biggs, Bolton, Hood, Lofthouse (Loftus, Loftos), Smith, Snowball

On 8 Jul 2011 at 7:17, Lynne Scaife wrote: > Dear list >   > Given all the problems with baptism duplications and the parish > registers being in a bit of a muddle on Ancestry, I wonder if anyone > can help me with the following.   I am trying to find the father of > these 2 brothers, and this information is from the Ancestry Easingwold > register:   1.  John SCAIFE son of Jonathan SCAIFE bapt. 22 Jan 1711 > in Easingwold 2.  Jonathan son of Jonathan SCAIFE bapt. 8 Feb 1713 in > Easingwold, this entry says posthume son of Jonathan SCAIFE.   > Therefore, I have been searching for their father's birth, ie. > Jonathan, but I can't find a Jonathan that's a suitable candidate > bapt. in Easingwold.   There is however this:   John SCAIFE son of > William bapt. 4 Mar 1689.   Could it be that he should have been (or > perhaps was) christened Jonathan, but for whatever reason, it was > entered in the register as John by mistake?   The other possible > Jonathans are:   Jonathan SCAFE son of Jnº and Ann, birth 02 11 1681 > in Knaresborough.  I don't think it's this one, I think the > Knaresborough SCAIFES are a different branch. There's also a Jonathan > SCAIFE born in Fewston, but I have now ruled that one out.   Any > thoughts or advice would be very much appreciated.   Thanks Lynne > Why dismiss the Knaresborough Jonathan, who would appear from the IGI to have married Mary Coward at Knaresborough on 26 December 1709? His name is spelt there as SKAIFE but, as we know, this means very little at a time when surnames were spelt in any number of variants. This seems to me to be a very likely marriage for the parents, given the baptismal dates of the two boys - and Knaresborough is no great distance from Easingwold. Couples very often did bring up children in a different parish to the one where they were born and perhaps Jonathan moved to Easingwold for work. I cannot find any other marriage on the IGI for any Jonathan Scaife/Skaife anywhere in Yorkshire in the appropriate time-frame, so I certainly wouldn't dismiss it without more evidence! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Dear Roy Many thanks for your help.  I have looked at this possibility. >From the IGI, william had 3 siblings all baptized in Knaresborough: 1.  John bapt. 01 03 1679 2.  William bapt. 13 03 1681, and 3.  Jonathan bapt. 05 08 1684 who most probably is the Jonathan that married Mary Coward 26 12 1709 in Knaresborough. I realise that Knaresborough isn't that far as the crow flies from Easingwold, but I have always thought, having looked at different family lines, that there are different branches of SCAIFE in Easingwold, Knaresborough, Hampsthwiate, and one or two other places. Since you've been so kind, can you possibly advise where to go now, bearing in mind I live (and am stuck) in Tenerife? Thanks again Lynne.   ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Stockdill <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: "WEST-RIDING-L@rootsweb.com" <WEST-RIDING-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: Sent: Friday, July 8, 2011 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] Easingwold Parish Registers SCAIFE following double entries On 8 Jul 2011 at 7:17, Lynne Scaife wrote: > Dear list >   > Given all the problems with baptism duplications and the parish > registers being in a bit of a muddle on Ancestry, I wonder if anyone > can help me with the following.   I am trying to find the father of > these 2 brothers, and this information is from the Ancestry Easingwold > register:   1.  John SCAIFE son of Jonathan SCAIFE bapt. 22 Jan 1711 > in Easingwold 2.  Jonathan son of Jonathan SCAIFE bapt. 8 Feb 1713 in > Easingwold, this entry says posthume son of Jonathan SCAIFE.   > Therefore, I have been searching for their father's birth, ie. > Jonathan, but I can't find a Jonathan that's a suitable candidate > bapt. in Easingwold.   There is however this:   John SCAIFE son of > William bapt. 4 Mar 1689.   Could it be that he should have been (or > perhaps was) christened Jonathan, but for whatever reason, it was > entered in the register as John by mistake?   The other possible > Jonathans are:   Jonathan SCAFE son of Jnº and Ann, birth 02 11 1681 > in Knaresborough.  I don't think it's this one, I think the > Knaresborough SCAIFES are a different branch. There's also a Jonathan > SCAIFE born in Fewston, but I have now ruled that one out.   Any > thoughts or advice would be very much appreciated.   Thanks Lynne > Why dismiss the Knaresborough Jonathan, who would appear from the IGI to have married Mary Coward at Knaresborough on 26 December 1709? His name is spelt there as SKAIFE but, as we know, this means very little at a time when surnames were spelt in any number of variants. This seems to me to be a very likely marriage for the parents, given the baptismal dates of the two boys - and Knaresborough is no great distance from Easingwold. Couples very often did bring up children in a different parish to the one where they were born and perhaps Jonathan moved to Easingwold for work. I cannot find any other marriage on the IGI for any Jonathan Scaife/Skaife anywhere in Yorkshire in the appropriate time-frame, so I certainly wouldn't dismiss it without more evidence! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear list   Given all the problems with baptism duplications and the parish registers being in a bit of a muddle on Ancestry, I wonder if anyone can help me with the following.   I am trying to find the father of these 2 brothers, and this information is from the Ancestry Easingwold register:   1.  John SCAIFE son of Jonathan SCAIFE bapt. 22 Jan 1711 in Easingwold 2.  Jonathan son of Jonathan SCAIFE bapt. 8 Feb 1713 in Easingwold, this entry says posthume son of Jonathan SCAIFE.   Therefore, I have been searching for their father's birth, ie. Jonathan, but I can't find a Jonathan that's a suitable candidate bapt. in Easingwold.   There is however this:   John SCAIFE son of William bapt. 4 Mar 1689.   Could it be that he should have been (or perhaps was) christened Jonathan, but for whatever reason, it was entered in the register as John by mistake?   The other possible Jonathans are:   Jonathan SCAFE son of Jnº and Ann, birth 02 11 1681 in Knaresborough.  I don't think it's this one, I think the Knaresborough SCAIFES are a different branch. There's also a Jonathan SCAIFE born in Fewston, but I have now ruled that one out.   Any thoughts or advice would be very much appreciated.   Thanks Lynne