Sometimes 'Black Dutch' was a term used for 'Native American'. I have heard debates on both sides of the fence who say it was a term for NA, and some who say it wasn't, that it meant something else. It could have had more than one meaning. :) But in my family it was a 'cover up' for Native American. barb In a message dated 4/13/2006 10:11:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lridall@ambt.net writes: Later on I was told that the West side of the family were "Black Dutch" but my mother didn't know what that meant. Barb :) Surnames: Dunn, Brewster, Groat, Harding, West, Guinn, Newton, Williams "Share knowledge as if it is a living entity, for in fact, it is. It lives on in the lives of others for generations to come." Barb Grainger - 2006

I think you hit on something barb. My grandma west would not much to do with my father or his children. Her children tend to dark in skin similar to native America and green eyes.There was much made of the fact typical West earlobes (the hangy-down part) are very small; hence not able to wear earrings. shelda ----- Original Message ----- From: <PalTia@aol.com> To: <WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [WEST-L] ETHNICITY of the WEST NAME > > > Sometimes 'Black Dutch' was a term used for 'Native American'. I have > heard > debates on both sides of the fence who say it was a term for NA, and some > who > say it wasn't, that it meant something else. It could have had more than > one meaning. :) But in my family it was a 'cover up' for Native American. > > barb > > In a message dated 4/13/2006 10:11:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > lridall@ambt.net writes: > > Later on I was > told that the West side of the family were "Black Dutch" but my mother > didn't know what that meant. > > > > > > Barb :) > Surnames: Dunn, Brewster, Groat, Harding, West, Guinn, Newton, Williams > "Share knowledge as if it is a living entity, for in fact, it is. It lives > on in the lives of others for generations to come." Barb Grainger - 2006 > > > ==== WEST Mailing List ==== > Families are like fudge. > Mostly sweet with a few nuts. > >

I remember my grandmother, Pirley 'Pearl' Andrew West-Manning, had mentioned something about being SHANTY-IRISH. Asked what that meant and she said they were the darker Irish. Since then I have been told that there is possiblly indian somewhere in the family. We have, for the most part, high cheekbones and as we age we tend to get the eye most common to cherokee/indian. I have an Uncle, Hugh Edward Manning, now deceased, who is dark with the squinty eye which is quite unique, sort of oriental which the Cherokee say they were originally. Edith PalTia@aol.com wrote: Sometimes 'Black Dutch' was a term used for 'Native American'. I have heard debates on both sides of the fence who say it was a term for NA, and some who say it wasn't, that it meant something else. It could have had more than one meaning. :) But in my family it was a 'cover up' for Native American. barb In a message dated 4/13/2006 10:11:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lridall@ambt.net writes: Later on I was told that the West side of the family were "Black Dutch" but my mother didn't know what that meant. Barb :) Surnames: Dunn, Brewster, Groat, Harding, West, Guinn, Newton, Williams "Share knowledge as if it is a living entity, for in fact, it is. It lives on in the lives of others for generations to come." Barb Grainger - 2006 ==== WEST Mailing List ==== Families are like fudge. Mostly sweet with a few nuts. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.