I printed it out too because it will sure help me keep them straight. :) In a message dated 4/14/2006 5:45:41 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lindapsy@ec.rr.com writes: Thanks Barb! That was very helpful. I copied that info into a word document and saved it for future reference. Linda West Hutchison Barb :) Surnames: Dunn, Brewster, Groat, Harding, West, Guinn, Newton, Williams "Share knowledge as if it is a living entity, for in fact, it is. It lives on in the lives of others for generations to come." Barb Grainger - 2006

Wow Karon, at least you know some things about her. That's wonderful. It's that way with my Sarah Ann West Harding. I know quite a bit about her after she married. But nothing about her before her marriage except when and where she was born. Barb :) Surnames: Dunn, Brewster, Groat, Harding, West, Guinn, Newton, Williams "Share knowledge as if it is a living entity, for in fact, it is. It lives on in the lives of others for generations to come." Barb Grainger - 2006

Also, it has two ?? behind it. According to the info at the top of the page that means that the spelling may not be correct. Barb In a message dated 4/13/2006 6:05:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, FireRaven@insightbb.com writes: found a transcription online of the 1885 Dodge County, Nebraska census... For John CRAMER & Asserkus ?? It looks like it was perhaps a first name of the wife. Doesn't appear to have the nationality listed in the transcript. http://www.rootsweb.com/~nedodge/census/1885/C85DodgeCensus.htm Deb Barb :) Surnames: Dunn, Brewster, Groat, Harding, West, Guinn, Newton, Williams "Share knowledge as if it is a living entity, for in fact, it is. It lives on in the lives of others for generations to come." Barb Grainger - 2006

Hi Karen, thanks for the info. I have not heard that name before either. In a message dated 4/13/2006 5:36:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, karon@yvn.com writes: Mom didn't want to admit to German or Indian. "Asserkus" was her grandmother. Barb :) Surnames: Dunn, Brewster, Groat, Harding, West, Guinn, Newton, Williams "Share knowledge as if it is a living entity, for in fact, it is. It lives on in the lives of others for generations to come." Barb Grainger - 2006

As far as I know my particular West's mother came from France. At least that is what most of the census say. But it doesn't say where her father came from or what her father's race was. I know that she m. a man we suspect was NA. We also have very dark people in our family with high cheekbones but most of us have either green or blue eyes. My oldest son has 'black' eyes though. We have shades of color in our family. My sister, father and my oldest son are all pretty dark. They can pass for NA, part black, part Spanish..or part anything else that is darker skinned. I got what the old slavers used to call 'hi yellow'.. I'm just a kind of yellow color. LOL My youngest sister is whiter than white. And my bro is a little darker than me. I have slanty eyes..almost oriental. In fact, the eye doc used to say, Barb, open your eyes.. I'd tell him that they already are. When my sister was in South Dakota and was sick with pneumonia she went to the NA authorities there and told them that we know we are Indian, but can't prove it with paperwork and they took one look at her and said, "You are definitely Indian.' So they treated her for her pneumonia. I tell you these West people of mine are so elusive. I only have my 2nd Great Grandmother Sarah Ann West. I don't even know her parents names. These Wests hide real good LOL But I am determined to find her and find out about her ancestors. I have a lot of info about her from the time se was married, but nothing about her parents or siblings. n a message dated 4/13/2006 4:41:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, skempto@adelphia.net writes: I think you hit on something barb. My grandma west would not much to do with my father or his children. Her children tend to dark in skin similar to native America and green eyes.There was much made of the fact typical West earlobes (the hangy-down part) are very small; hence not able to wear earrings. shelda Barb :) Surnames: Dunn, Brewster, Groat, Harding, West, Guinn, Newton, Williams "Share knowledge as if it is a living entity, for in fact, it is. It lives on in the lives of others for generations to come." Barb Grainger - 2006

I too am a West descendant, but when we were in grade school and the teachers ask us to bring our family history to school and what nationality we were, my sister, just older than me told us to go to school and tell them we were Black Dutch. My mother just laughed and didn't tell us any thing but Scotch Irish. Now I am trying to locaate the West families I am related to and it is so hard finding back further than Elihew West and Eleanor Moss West. My Great Grandfather is George W. West so if any of you can help me with that family or further I would appreciate it. I did through some of the relatives help find Eli and Eleanor West in Texas later on and was so grateful to her for that. They sure did go from state to state back then not to have much transportation like we have now. Or maybe they had more than we thought/ ew

Everytime we travel through the town of George West, Texas, I wonder if they are my kin. I have always found this interesting, and maybe y'all know about this, but it could be helpful to someone. ..Ginger West-Wagner Homestead Marker Location: 8 miles south of Hallettsville on US 77; 0.5 miles north on CR 312; 0.4 miles west on Wagner Ranch Marker Text: Washington West and his wife Mary Willauer West moved their family from Tennessee in 1854 and settled in Lavaca County, Texas. Their home became a stagecoach stop which developed into the community of Old Sweet Home. The Wests' sons George, Ike and Sol drove longhorn cattle to markets in Kansas, Nebraska, the Dakotas, Montana and Wyoming from 1867-85. George married Catherine (Kittie) Searcy in 1874, and in 1875 built this Greek revival style home on family land. George West's ranching interests expanded to several south Texas counties. They moved to Live Oak County in 1880 and later established the town of George West on a portion of their 200,000 acre ranch. In 1883 George and Kittie West sold the Lavaca County homestead to Ike and Emma West, who sold it in 1891 to Frank and Anna Wagner. Natives of Czechoslovakia, the Wagners had lived at the West homestead doing ranch and farm work. Here they reared their six children, Frank Jr., Jim, John, Anton, Joe and Mary. In 1918 Frank and Anna Wagner deeded the homestead to their youngest son, Anton Wagner. His brother and sister, Joe and Mary, lived in the house until the 1950s. The West-Wagner homestead remains in the Wagner Family. (1997) Information excerpted from Texas Historic Sites Atlas (on line) located at: http://atlas.thc.state.tx.us/Atlas/atlas_search_frame.html

ONLY WHEN you have the time, I would like to have a copy of the West's. I have hit a large brick wall and haven't been through the thing in years. It seems to be thicker now than ever. Thank you so very much. EWhitehRDW@aol.com

Hello list, I would like a copy or the West name list. I have West's on my side of the family. My Great Grandfathers name was Everett Marvin West he was born in Lickin MO. He married Miss Ethel (Muse) this was his second wife. I am not sure what his first wifes name was but he married Ethel 10 days later. They lived in Vera Texas for awhile. Then they move to Vinita OK. That is where both of them are buried. If anyone has any info I would sure like to hear from you. Tammy Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "skempto" <skempto@adelphia.net> To: <WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [WEST-L] Requesting copy of West names list in Word >I posted my grandmother West and West tombstone pictures on Barry >county, Mo. photos.Go to Mogenweb and choose Barry county. The coordinator >has worked hard with her volunteers to make it top-notch. > Perhaps we should have a west site for everyone to post. Please send me > the list. I love to share what I have. > shelda Davis > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "B. Morwessel" <emzfan@fuse.net> > To: <WEST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 4:15 PM > Subject: RE: [WEST-L] Requesting copy of West names list in Word > > >> Please send me the list also whenever you get the chance! >> >> Thanks! >> Barb Morwessel >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sandra [mailto:clanmother@bresnan.net] >> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:31 PM >> To: WEST-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [WEST-L] Requesting copy of West names list in Word >> >> I love sending the list out probably for selfish reasons: I'm hoping >> that I >> >> will connect with a cousin or twenty (vbg) and that we can combine our >> information. I'm going to put up a site soon with pictures, info, etc >> but >> it will be awhile. If anyone does list the "list" please put my cousins >> name, Jeff Young, in the credits. Like I've said before - no one really >> owns this information, it belongs to our ancestors and anyone searching >> for >> them, but it's hard work, and giving credit is one of the nicest ways to >> salute someone's efforts. >> >> I guess no one has found a connection with my line and that's >> disappointing. >> >> I've sent out soooooo many and nary a bite. Related or not, I consider >> you all my friends, if not DNA related, we are connected through the >> cosmic >> >> soup. So, happy hunting and again, let me know if we connect. >> >> Sandra >> >> >> ==== WEST Mailing List ==== >> Become a transcriber for the Census Project. >> www.us-census.org >> >> >> >> >> ==== WEST Mailing List ==== >> Families are like fudge. >> Mostly sweet with a few nuts. >> >> > > ______________________________

Hi there! William West/Abiah Sprague/Jane Tanner are my West's. Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Norstedt" <past-lane@adelphia.net> To: <WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 8:06 AM Subject: [WEST-L] for Edith > Edith, just looking through your posted genealogy for William West, > born May 31, 1681 I can see a change that needs to be made, if you > don't already have it, here it is - > William West married (1) Abiah Sprague ca 1709. > > their children: > > William b. ca 1709 married Mary Southwick ca 1735 > Deborah b. ca 1712 died after 11 Nov 1723 > John born 25 Nov 1715 married ca 1744 Ann born 10 Oct 1726 > Abiah b. ca 1718 > > William married (2) ca 1723 Jane Tanner > their children > > Joseph b. ca 1724 > Jane ca 1726 > Susanna ca 1728 > Benjamin ca 1730 > Thomas ca 1732 > Francis 5 Aug 1735 > Hezekiah ca 1737 > Ebenezer ca 1739 > > My source for this is: > Mayflower Families in Progress > George Soule of the Mayflower and His Descendants for Four Generations > Pub: 2002 > > Joan > > > > > ==== WEST Mailing List ==== > Become a transcriber for the Census Project. > www.us-census.org >

Thanks Barb! That was very helpful. I copied that info into a word document and saved it for future reference. Linda West Hutchison ----- Original Message ----- From: <PalTia@aol.com> To: <WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 5:50 PM Subject: [WEST-L] Relationship Chart and terminology information > Hello Cousins :) > > I thought I'd post this site for those of you who are as confused as I've > been about extended family relationship terminalogy. > > I knew about great aunts and etc.. but what the heck was a Great > grand-aunt > etc. > > This site explains it. I hope this helps someone like is has me :) > _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephew_ > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephew) > > > > Barb :) > Surnames: Dunn, Brewster, Groat, Harding, West, Guinn, Newton, Williams > "Share knowledge as if it is a living entity, for in fact, it is. It lives > on in the lives of others for generations to come." Barb Grainger - 2006 > > > ==== WEST Mailing List ==== > Become a transcriber for the Census Project. > www.us-census.org

Edith, just looking through your posted genealogy for William West, born May 31, 1681 I can see a change that needs to be made, if you don't already have it, here it is - William West married (1) Abiah Sprague ca 1709. their children: William b. ca 1709 married Mary Southwick ca 1735 Deborah b. ca 1712 died after 11 Nov 1723 John born 25 Nov 1715 married ca 1744 Ann born 10 Oct 1726 Abiah b. ca 1718 William married (2) ca 1723 Jane Tanner their children Joseph b. ca 1724 Jane ca 1726 Susanna ca 1728 Benjamin ca 1730 Thomas ca 1732 Francis 5 Aug 1735 Hezekiah ca 1737 Ebenezer ca 1739 My source for this is: Mayflower Families in Progress George Soule of the Mayflower and His Descendants for Four Generations Pub: 2002 Joan

Whenever it is convenient for you, I would also like a copy of the list also. By the way has anyone ever heard of Wade D West born about 1897 in SC, who married Jane Cook (b 1832 SC) about 1847 in Alabama? Thanks, Bev Blair

I haven't connected with him yet. My West line is Benjamin Perkins West, Joseph Franklin West and Rhoda Orlena West. shelda David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Marshall" <jmarshall40@mchsi.com> To: <WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [WEST-L] Requesting copy of West names list in Word > Shelda, > I had West relatives living in Barry Co. MO. My great grandfather was > Bejamin Franklin West. He is buried at Munsey Cemetary. Is there a > connection with your West family? > Janet Marshall > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "skempto" <skempto@adelphia.net> > To: <WEST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:44 PM > Subject: Re: [WEST-L] Requesting copy of West names list in Word > > >>I posted my grandmother West and West tombstone pictures on Barry >>county, Mo. photos.Go to Mogenweb and choose Barry county. The >>coordinator has worked hard with her volunteers to make it top-notch. >> Perhaps we should have a west site for everyone to post. Please send me >> the list. I love to share what I have. >> shelda Davis >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "B. Morwessel" <emzfan@fuse.net> >> To: <WEST-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 4:15 PM >> Subject: RE: [WEST-L] Requesting copy of West names list in Word >> >> >>> Please send me the list also whenever you get the chance! >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Barb Morwessel >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Sandra [mailto:clanmother@bresnan.net] >>> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:31 PM >>> To: WEST-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [WEST-L] Requesting copy of West names list in Word >>> >>> I love sending the list out probably for selfish reasons: I'm hoping >>> that I >>> >>> will connect with a cousin or twenty (vbg) and that we can combine our >>> information. I'm going to put up a site soon with pictures, info, etc >>> but >>> it will be awhile. If anyone does list the "list" please put my >>> cousins >>> name, Jeff Young, in the credits. Like I've said before - no one really >>> owns this information, it belongs to our ancestors and anyone searching >>> for >>> them, but it's hard work, and giving credit is one of the nicest ways to >>> salute someone's efforts. >>> >>> I guess no one has found a connection with my line and that's >>> disappointing. >>> >>> I've sent out soooooo many and nary a bite. Related or not, I >>> consider >>> you all my friends, if not DNA related, we are connected through the >>> cosmic >>> >>> soup. So, happy hunting and again, let me know if we connect. >>> >>> Sandra >>> >>> >>> ==== WEST Mailing List ==== >>> Become a transcriber for the Census Project. >>> www.us-census.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== WEST Mailing List ==== >>> Families are like fudge. >>> Mostly sweet with a few nuts. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== WEST Mailing List ==== >> To unsubscribe send a post to <WEST-L-request@rootsweb.com> >> Type UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. >> For Digest substitute the letter D for the L in the address. >> >> > > > > ==== WEST Mailing List ==== > To contact WEST-L listowner send a post to > Myra Chambers at WEST-admin@rootsweb.com >

Shelda, I had West relatives living in Barry Co. MO. My great grandfather was Bejamin Franklin West. He is buried at Munsey Cemetary. Is there a connection with your West family? Janet Marshall ----- Original Message ----- From: "skempto" <skempto@adelphia.net> To: <WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [WEST-L] Requesting copy of West names list in Word >I posted my grandmother West and West tombstone pictures on Barry >county, Mo. photos.Go to Mogenweb and choose Barry county. The coordinator >has worked hard with her volunteers to make it top-notch. > Perhaps we should have a west site for everyone to post. Please send me > the list. I love to share what I have. > shelda Davis > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "B. Morwessel" <emzfan@fuse.net> > To: <WEST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 4:15 PM > Subject: RE: [WEST-L] Requesting copy of West names list in Word > > >> Please send me the list also whenever you get the chance! >> >> Thanks! >> Barb Morwessel >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sandra [mailto:clanmother@bresnan.net] >> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:31 PM >> To: WEST-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [WEST-L] Requesting copy of West names list in Word >> >> I love sending the list out probably for selfish reasons: I'm hoping >> that I >> >> will connect with a cousin or twenty (vbg) and that we can combine our >> information. I'm going to put up a site soon with pictures, info, etc >> but >> it will be awhile. If anyone does list the "list" please put my cousins >> name, Jeff Young, in the credits. Like I've said before - no one really >> owns this information, it belongs to our ancestors and anyone searching >> for >> them, but it's hard work, and giving credit is one of the nicest ways to >> salute someone's efforts. >> >> I guess no one has found a connection with my line and that's >> disappointing. >> >> I've sent out soooooo many and nary a bite. Related or not, I consider >> you all my friends, if not DNA related, we are connected through the >> cosmic >> >> soup. So, happy hunting and again, let me know if we connect. >> >> Sandra >> >> >> ==== WEST Mailing List ==== >> Become a transcriber for the Census Project. >> www.us-census.org >> >> >> >> >> ==== WEST Mailing List ==== >> Families are like fudge. >> Mostly sweet with a few nuts. >> >> > > > > ==== WEST Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe send a post to <WEST-L-request@rootsweb.com> > Type UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. > For Digest substitute the letter D for the L in the address. > >

Maybe it just because its been such a long day but I looked at Asserkus and immediatly thought "A Circus". Not very helpful but sure struck me funny at the time. Is there more than one person on that census with that designation? Are you sure it was a nationality or was it perhaps a given name? I found a transcription online of the 1885 Dodge County, Nebraska census... For John CRAMER & Asserkus ?? It looks like it was perhaps a first name of the wife. Doesn't appear to have the nationality listed in the transcript. http://www.rootsweb.com/~nedodge/census/1885/C85DodgeCensus.htm Deb Karon wrote: >That is humorous to me as my mother was saying she was Pennsylvania Dutch to avoid being German. And she wouldn't admit to being any degree of Indian. In the 1885 Nebraska Census, Frances Bertha West was listed as Asserkus. I am totally unfamiliar with that name, and have wondered if it was an Indian name. Anybody on the list know? > >Karon > > > >

In the 1850 census it does not give her nationality. She was living with Frank and Lydia Hanna in Gilmer Illinois, Adams County in 1850 Her given name is Frances Bertha West. In the census you saw she was the wife of John K Cramer, every census I have found it is Frances, until the 1885 Nebraska State Census. Claire Mares typed that up, and she is the one who did a lot of research for me, because I live so far away from there. 1860 Census, Territory of Nebraska, she is called Frances, and it does not give any nationality. 1870 U S Fed Census, Nebraska Territory, Washington County, calls her Frances, says she is female, 32, born in Ohio, no nationality. 1880 U S Fed Census, Dodge co. Nebraska calls her Frances, says she was born in Ohio, her father was born in Canada and her mother born Ohio. No nationality given. She died in 1889. A circus is the only way I would know how to pronounce that name, and I have often thought that is funny. She was giving birth to babies in Nebraska at an early date. They had snow storms people died in, they had Indian raids, insect infestations that ate crops, times when it looked like starvation looked eminent. The 1870 census said she was insane. Who knows what they meant. She had lived through the death of her father at an early age, the death of a baby, all those hard times on the frontier. I have wondered if insanity was why she gave her name as Asserkus, I have wondered if today they would have a very different definition of her problem. No where to I get any direction on her nationality. There are a good number of redheads in the line. I think I have told you about all I can. My grandpa seemed to like his mother, he named his oldest daughter Frances Bertha. He said he ran away from home because his dad was mean to him. I don't know. That reminds me the census said she was insane about the time he was born, or a young child. Post Partum Blues? I don't know. Wish I did. Karon ----- Original Message ----- From: Deborah Slager To: WEST-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [WEST-L] ETHNICITY of the WEST NAME Maybe it just because its been such a long day but I looked at Asserkus and immediatly thought "A Circus". Not very helpful but sure struck me funny at the time. Is there more than one person on that census with that designation? Are you sure it was a nationality or was it perhaps a given name? I found a transcription online of the 1885 Dodge County, Nebraska census... For John CRAMER & Asserkus ?? It looks like it was perhaps a first name of the wife. Doesn't appear to have the nationality listed in the transcript. http://www.rootsweb.com/~nedodge/census/1885/C85DodgeCensus.htm Deb Karon wrote: >That is humorous to me as my mother was saying she was Pennsylvania Dutch to avoid being German. And she wouldn't admit to being any degree of Indian. In the 1885 Nebraska Census, Frances Bertha West was listed as Asserkus. I am totally unfamiliar with that name, and have wondered if it was an Indian name. Anybody on the list know? > >Karon > > > > ==== WEST Mailing List ==== Become a transcriber for the Census Project. www.us-census.org

Please send me the list also whenever you get the chance! Thanks! Barb Morwessel -----Original Message----- From: Sandra [mailto:clanmother@bresnan.net] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:31 PM To: WEST-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WEST-L] Requesting copy of West names list in Word I love sending the list out probably for selfish reasons: I'm hoping that I will connect with a cousin or twenty (vbg) and that we can combine our information. I'm going to put up a site soon with pictures, info, etc but it will be awhile. If anyone does list the "list" please put my cousins name, Jeff Young, in the credits. Like I've said before - no one really owns this information, it belongs to our ancestors and anyone searching for them, but it's hard work, and giving credit is one of the nicest ways to salute someone's efforts. I guess no one has found a connection with my line and that's disappointing. I've sent out soooooo many and nary a bite. Related or not, I consider you all my friends, if not DNA related, we are connected through the cosmic soup. So, happy hunting and again, let me know if we connect. Sandra ==== WEST Mailing List ==== Become a transcriber for the Census Project. www.us-census.org

Sometimes 'Black Dutch' was a term used for 'Native American'. I have heard debates on both sides of the fence who say it was a term for NA, and some who say it wasn't, that it meant something else. It could have had more than one meaning. :) But in my family it was a 'cover up' for Native American. barb In a message dated 4/13/2006 10:11:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lridall@ambt.net writes: Later on I was told that the West side of the family were "Black Dutch" but my mother didn't know what that meant. Barb :) Surnames: Dunn, Brewster, Groat, Harding, West, Guinn, Newton, Williams "Share knowledge as if it is a living entity, for in fact, it is. It lives on in the lives of others for generations to come." Barb Grainger - 2006

I don't know anything about it either. I googled the word 'Asserkus' to see if it was a surname or a tribe or whatever and only got one link to someone's post. But it didn't show their post it only took me to a page that was a transcript of the census. But I didn't find this name. I'm really curious too. Can you give me the direct link to this exact page on the census where you found this? I'd like to look at it myself too. :) Thanks. Barb n a message dated 4/13/2006 3:24:27 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, karon@yvn.com writes: In the 1885 Nebraska Census, Frances Bertha West was listed as Asserkus. I am totally unfamiliar with that name, and have wondered if it was an Indian name. Anybody on the list know? Barb :) Surnames: Dunn, Brewster, Groat, Harding, West, Guinn, Newton, Williams "Share knowledge as if it is a living entity, for in fact, it is. It lives on in the lives of others for generations to come." Barb Grainger - 2006