Hello everyone: Time for my annual reposting of my elusive WEST...you never know when or where info might come from. I'm trying to find Mr. E.G. West and his wife ______ HOPPER. They were living in Cleveland, Ohio at the time of her mother's 1924 death in Saginaw, Michigan. Unfortunately for me, obits in those days identified women only as Mrs. So-and-so (as if they really only existed because their husbands did...Grrrr). So I can't be sure which one of the Hopper daughters was married to him. An elimination process (who died before Mama, who was already married, etc.) whittled the candidates down to one: Emily Maria Hopper, b. 1871. Any connection with anybody's tree? And does anyone have any suggestions about what I can do from my home in Ottawa in Canada to make a connection in Cleveland? (I already tried the Ohio Historical Society's searchable deaths index - no joy there, but it's a GREAT site.) Hopefully, Barb Hopper Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

I am not familiar too much with the Owen line...especially with the names Joshua Owen & Sarah Butcher. Sorry. Jo

Hi All, I keep seeing Morris West in the subject line, but then when I scan down to read about him there is nothing concerning him. I am researching Morris West b. abt. 1751. I have 4 sons for him but would like a complete list of his children, were there any girls, what was his wife name, etc.? This is Morris West, Sr. I am referring to. Thanks, Vi -- Vi Poland email address [email protected]

I'm new on this list and thought I'd pass on an outline of my WEST line just in case someone else is in the same line. Ian Loomer has already been a great help -- I hope someone else out there shares this line. Elijah West m. Esther Loomer Enoch West m. Rosalinda Brewster Jonathan West m. Mary Hamilton Elijah Maxwell West m. Annie Laura Gough Minnie Mable West m. Charles George Medros Beatrice Hildren Medros m. Dana Fellows Simonds Laura Ann Simonds m. William E. Siebold I do have most dates, but would love to fill out historical as well as vital statistics and information. Allen Rev. E. Allen Siebold Lansingburgh Ecumenical Shared Ministry Pastor: The United Methodist Church 3rd Ave at 116th St. Stated Supply: First Presbyterian Church (USA) 3rd Ave at 115th St Troy, Rensselaer Co., New York, USA www.gbgm-umc.org/lansingburgh [email protected]

Hey, I did not buy it, don't know who did. Vickie ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 7:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WEST-L] BENJAMIN WEST Vicki, How about offering to sell it to someone on the list for what it cost you. I am sure you will get an offer. From what I understand, a lot of people sell pages from old books on ebay and other places. It doesn't take away from the fact that it came from a 1860's book. Ask the seller for more information if you can and just offer to sell it. Lisa ==== WEST Mailing List ==== Become a transcriber for the Census Project. www.us-census.org

Hi - thanks for the info! I am still gathereing info - but I must say I have had the best luck with this list serve. Thanks for all the ideas on my "Benjamin West" engraving...the seller did not respond and I decided to just let it go. I'll preserve the document - scan it into the system for my records. Its okay - I just felt somewhat deceived! Jo..I I am trying to verify where they all belong. Joshua Owen & Sarah Butcher were Sarah A Owen-Webb's parents. I am not certain about Joshua's parents - were they William Owen and Delila Rupe? And if so..was William's father Joseph? Thanks so much! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Titus" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [WEST-L] Morris West > Fabel, > > Joseph and Jane (Owen) West had 10 children: > > Issac-b. 1741, Penn. > Lacey (Tracy)-b. 1743 > Sally (Sarah)-b.1745 > Owen-b. 1749, Fairfax Co., Virginia > Joseph-b. 1757, Loudon Co., Virginia > George-b. 1755, Fairfax Co., Virginia > John-b. Nov. 26, 1753 > James-b. 1759 > Hannah-b. 1751 > Benjamin-b. Feb. 26, 1762, Loudon Co., Virginia > > Thought you might be interested. > > Jo > > > > ==== WEST Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe send a post to <[email protected]> > Type UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. > For Digest substitute the letter D for the L in the address. > >

You may be correct on this and I did not know it. I have laminated so many of the old pictures I have copied of my GGGG Grandfather and many more of them. Most of them are copies from my scanner though and they do look so much more clearer than they would without being laminated. I am so glad you told us that. elw

It is my understanding, based on limited knowledge, that old paper records that are heirlooms should never be laminated. They can never be unlaminated and the adhesive can turn gummy over years. Any office supply store should sell archival quality plastic sheet protectors. Just make sure the box says "archival." If the documents are torn and will not stay organized in a sheet protector, the use of archival quality dry mount tissue or dry mounting adhesive can be used to permanently attache the document to acid free paper, also easily available at an office supply store. A Google search reveals a lot of information and dealers. Think of dry mount adhesive as wax paper (it really isn't) which you cut the same size or a little smaller than the document you are saving. Put the adhesive sheet between the document and acid free paper and then using a relatively cool iron, iron the document to the paper and keep it in a sheet protector. Libraries with old documents will know about some other products. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fischers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [WEST-L] BENJAMIN WEST > How safe is laminating?? I understand lamination will , in time, > darken the > item until one cannot read/see it anymore. I have obituaries, > laminated in the > mid 1970's that cannot be copied now, they are so dark and not > readable. > Marilyn > > [email protected] wrote: > >> If I were you I would go down if you don't have one and have it >> enclosed it >> laminated. >> It will show up so much clearer and that way you can copy it and laminate >> them >> for your children and grandchildren. That is what I am doing with a >> lot of my >> old >> pictures. >> I would feel exactly like you but they, I am sure meant well. >> wrak

Debora, Who are your WESTs in Mississippi and what part of Mississippi? Mine were in Marshall County and my Grandmother, Pirley West Manning [Pearl] was born in Yalobusha County. James M. West, 1818-bef 1920 b. KY or TN wife: Amanda Jane Ragsdale Oct 1850-Jan 1900 b. Harris Co., GA Two sons: James West 1885-???? [w. b. Ireland, Juanita Estelle, dau., Truenella, they lived in Memphis, TN] and Levy Lewis 1888-1929 [never married] Daughters: Mary Elizabeth 1868-1870; Ada West Preher 1874-1959; Pirley Andrew 1875-1955 [Grandmother Manning, husband was Arthur Augustus Manning]; Eva West Bowen 187?-????; Alice Ophelia 1872-1934 [never married]; Annie West Ellis 1879-1899 Do not know any of James M. Wests brothers, sisters or parents. Edith Debora King <[email protected]> wrote: Ralph, are you related to any of the Wests from Mississippi? Debby ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph West" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 1:08 PM Subject: [WEST-L] WEST family of wester PA > > I am researching the WEST, WHITAKER, MCCOMAS, LOWERY and HAYS families who settled in western Pennsylvania before 1800. > > > > The following is a summary of information that is known: > > > > Mary Lowery, b. May 21, 1761, dau. of, Col. Alexander Lowery and Mary Waters, married 1st John (or Matthew) Hay and moved to western PA, after the Rev war, they had two sons; Lowery and John. (the sons later moved to Shawneetown, IL) John Hay drown leaving Mary a widow. > > > > My GGG/GdFather Joseph West, Sr., b. 1757, d. Mar. 19, 1841, in Allegheny Co., PA, married 1st the widow Mary (Lowery) Hays about 1789, they had four sons; Alexander, Edward, Joseph b. 1795 and Matthew b. 1799. Mary died between 1799 and 1812. Joseph Sr. married 2nd my GGG/GdMother Catherine Whitaker, b. ?1788, dau. of Aaron Whitaker and Martha Ann Roush. Joseph and Catherine's 1st son, Aaron Whitaker West, b. 1813, is my GG/GdFather. > > > > In 1796 Col. Lowery sold his 300 acre Rev War land patent, named "Leydon", located on the Monongahela River about 9 miles up river from Pittsburgh, to Joseph West and his daughter Mary (Lowery)(Hays) West. In 1871 the West heirs would sell the farm and it would become Homestead, PA. > > > > I have located information in regard to the ancestors of Joseph West Sr. in several biographical history books about western PA, I have no proof to backup the bios. > > > > The bios. list Joseph's parents as Edward West and Elizabeth McComas who settled in Washington, Co., PA on a warrant named "Election Ground". > > > > I have a DAR application that lists Edward West b. June 16, 1729 in Loudoun Co., VA, d. Jun. 14, 1812, in Washington, Co., PA. He married Elizabeth McComas 1769. She was b. Jan. 2, 1731, d. May 26, 1813. They are buried in "Old West" cemetery, in Washington Co., PA. > > > > There is no Joseph West listed as a son of Edward on the DAR application. Elizabeth may be Edwards second wife since they married (1769) after Joseph was born (1757). > > > > If any one has any info I will share all that I have. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Ralph West > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > > ==== WEST Mailing List ==== > To contact WEST-L listowner send a post to > Myra Chambers at [email protected] > > ==== WEST Mailing List ==== Families are like fudge. Mostly sweet with a few nuts. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search

Hi List... I'm really hitting dead ends in my quest for information so I was hoping that maybe someone here would have some familiarity with the people I have begun looking at as potential links to my family. On the 1830 Centre County Census, Lamar township Samuel West and Conrad West are listed. As I am unable to locate many other persons in the area, I am thinking that one of them may be the father or grandfather of Hugh St. Clair West born in 1826 in Boggs Township, Centre County PA. If any of this rings any bells, or anyone would have some ideas, I would really appreciate it. Thanks Dawn West

Ralph, are you related to any of the Wests from Mississippi? Debby ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph West" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 1:08 PM Subject: [WEST-L] WEST family of wester PA > > I am researching the WEST, WHITAKER, MCCOMAS, LOWERY and HAYS families who settled in western Pennsylvania before 1800. > > > > The following is a summary of information that is known: > > > > Mary Lowery, b. May 21, 1761, dau. of, Col. Alexander Lowery and Mary Waters, married 1st John (or Matthew) Hay and moved to western PA, after the Rev war, they had two sons; Lowery and John. (the sons later moved to Shawneetown, IL) John Hay drown leaving Mary a widow. > > > > My GGG/GdFather Joseph West, Sr., b. 1757, d. Mar. 19, 1841, in Allegheny Co., PA, married 1st the widow Mary (Lowery) Hays about 1789, they had four sons; Alexander, Edward, Joseph b. 1795 and Matthew b. 1799. Mary died between 1799 and 1812. Joseph Sr. married 2nd my GGG/GdMother Catherine Whitaker, b. ?1788, dau. of Aaron Whitaker and Martha Ann Roush. Joseph and Catherine's 1st son, Aaron Whitaker West, b. 1813, is my GG/GdFather. > > > > In 1796 Col. Lowery sold his 300 acre Rev War land patent, named "Leydon", located on the Monongahela River about 9 miles up river from Pittsburgh, to Joseph West and his daughter Mary (Lowery)(Hays) West. In 1871 the West heirs would sell the farm and it would become Homestead, PA. > > > > I have located information in regard to the ancestors of Joseph West Sr. in several biographical history books about western PA, I have no proof to backup the bios. > > > > The bios. list Joseph's parents as Edward West and Elizabeth McComas who settled in Washington, Co., PA on a warrant named "Election Ground". > > > > I have a DAR application that lists Edward West b. June 16, 1729 in Loudoun Co., VA, d. Jun. 14, 1812, in Washington, Co., PA. He married Elizabeth McComas 1769. She was b. Jan. 2, 1731, d. May 26, 1813. They are buried in "Old West" cemetery, in Washington Co., PA. > > > > There is no Joseph West listed as a son of Edward on the DAR application. Elizabeth may be Edwards second wife since they married (1769) after Joseph was born (1757). > > > > If any one has any info I will share all that I have. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Ralph West > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > > ==== WEST Mailing List ==== > To contact WEST-L listowner send a post to > Myra Chambers at [email protected] > >

I would not laminate for long term preservation. I've been told the item still does break down and there is little/no chance of recovery or restoration. The suggestion to contact your scrap booking stores is a good one. Also your genealogical or historical society is a good resource to ask about archival quality storage. Allen Siebold wrote: >I'm not an expert, but laminating will maintain the item's physical >integrity, but UV will ultimately still affect the contents. If you ask >around at scrapbooking stores they might lead you to laminates which are UV >blockers. Also, if you use those handily plastic sheet protectors, make >certain they are 'archival' quality or they can do damage to the papers if >you use them long-term. > >While I'm not a fan of 'scrapbooking', the technology you can learn is very >helpful in preserving genealogical documents over the long-term. > >Allen > > >Rev. E. Allen Siebold > Lansingburgh Ecumenical Shared Ministry > Pastor: The United Methodist Church > 3rd Ave at 116th St. > Stated Supply: First Presbyterian Church (USA) > 3rd Ave at 115th St > Troy, Rensselaer Co., New York, USA > www.gbgm-umc.org/lansingburgh > [email protected] > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Fischers" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 1:08 AM >Subject: Re: [WEST-L] BENJAMIN WEST > > > > >>How safe is laminating?? I understand lamination will , in time, darken >> >> >the > > >>item until one cannot read/see it anymore. I have obituaries, laminated >> >> >in the > > >>mid 1970's that cannot be copied now, they are so dark and not readable. >> Marilyn >> >>[email protected] wrote: >> >> >> >>>If I were you I would go down if you don't have one and have it enclosed >>> >>> >it > > >>>laminated. >>>It will show up so much clearer and that way you can copy it and >>> >>> >laminate > > >>>them >>>for your children and grandchildren. That is what I am doing with a lot >>> >>> >of my > > >>>old >>>pictures. >>>I would feel exactly like you but they, I am sure meant well. >>>wrak >>> >>>==== WEST Mailing List ==== >>>To unsubscribe send a post to <[email protected]> >>>Type UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. >>>For Digest substitute the letter D for the L in the address. >>> >>> >>==== WEST Mailing List ==== >>Families are like fudge. >>Mostly sweet with a few nuts. >> >> >> >> > > > >==== WEST Mailing List ==== >To contact WEST-L listowner send a post to >Myra Chambers at [email protected] > > > >

Debby, I know that the two HAY brothers, John and Lowey moved to Shawneetown, then later (1830-1850 time frame) two sons of Joseph WEST and Mary HAY, Alexander and Edward, also moved to ILL. That's about all I know about western movement of the WEST clan. My brick wall is where did Joseph WEST Sr. come from and who are his parents? Sorry I can't be of more help. Ralph Debora King <[email protected]> wrote: Ralph, are you related to any of the Wests from Mississippi? Debby ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph West" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 1:08 PM Subject: [WEST-L] WEST family of wester PA > > I am researching the WEST, WHITAKER, MCCOMAS, LOWERY and HAYS families who settled in western Pennsylvania before 1800. > > > > The following is a summary of information that is known: > > > > Mary Lowery, b. May 21, 1761, dau. of, Col. Alexander Lowery and Mary Waters, married 1st John (or Matthew) Hay and moved to western PA, after the Rev war, they had two sons; Lowery and John. (the sons later moved to Shawneetown, IL) John Hay drown leaving Mary a widow. > > > > My GGG/GdFather Joseph West, Sr., b. 1757, d. Mar. 19, 1841, in Allegheny Co., PA, married 1st the widow Mary (Lowery) Hays about 1789, they had four sons; Alexander, Edward, Joseph b. 1795 and Matthew b. 1799. Mary died between 1799 and 1812. Joseph Sr. married 2nd my GGG/GdMother Catherine Whitaker, b. ?1788, dau. of Aaron Whitaker and Martha Ann Roush. Joseph and Catherine's 1st son, Aaron Whitaker West, b. 1813, is my GG/GdFather. > > > > In 1796 Col. Lowery sold his 300 acre Rev War land patent, named "Leydon", located on the Monongahela River about 9 miles up river from Pittsburgh, to Joseph West and his daughter Mary (Lowery)(Hays) West. In 1871 the West heirs would sell the farm and it would become Homestead, PA. > > > > I have located information in regard to the ancestors of Joseph West Sr. in several biographical history books about western PA, I have no proof to backup the bios. > > > > The bios. list Joseph's parents as Edward West and Elizabeth McComas who settled in Washington, Co., PA on a warrant named "Election Ground". > > > > I have a DAR application that lists Edward West b. June 16, 1729 in Loudoun Co., VA, d. Jun. 14, 1812, in Washington, Co., PA. He married Elizabeth McComas 1769. She was b. Jan. 2, 1731, d. May 26, 1813. They are buried in "Old West" cemetery, in Washington Co., PA. > > > > There is no Joseph West listed as a son of Edward on the DAR application. Elizabeth may be Edwards second wife since they married (1769) after Joseph was born (1757). > > > > If any one has any info I will share all that I have. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Ralph West > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > > ==== WEST Mailing List ==== > To contact WEST-L listowner send a post to > Myra Chambers at [email protected] > > ==== WEST Mailing List ==== Families are like fudge. Mostly sweet with a few nuts. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search

List, Does anyone on this list have a full copy of the painting of John West that was done by Benjamin West. It is located in the Friends Historical Society, Swarthmore, PA. Or know of a web site where it might be? The historical society does not have it online. Thanks. Lisa

Thanks Jo I appreciate the effort ! Dawn -----Original Message----- From: Lee Titus [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:44 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WEST-L] John W. West Dawn, The only John W. West that I know of is: John W. West b. 28 Oct 1690-Long Credon, Buckinghamshire, England m. 1718-Chester Co., Penn. d. 5 Oct 1776-Warborough, Oxforshire, England to: Sarah Pearson b. 8 April 1697-Marple Twp. Chester, Penn. d. 1756-Springfield, Penn Sorry I wasn't of any help. Jo ==== WEST Mailing List ==== To contact WEST-L listowner send a post to Myra Chambers at [email protected]

Lisa, You can go to Ebay and tell them exactly what you have told us, since it is not what she advertised. I believe they will take care of it. That is unfair.

Fabel, Thanks for the info on Nicholas. Looks like you have about the same info as I do. My line also continues down through Williams son, William-b. about 1530. Here is my decent: Nicholas William William William William Thomas John Joseph Owen John Samantha Samantha-my Great Grandmother Would be interested to hear your decent or if you have any more info you could offer. Thanks. Jo

Fabel, Joseph and Jane (Owen) West had 10 children: Issac-b. 1741, Penn. Lacey (Tracy)-b. 1743 Sally (Sarah)-b.1745 Owen-b. 1749, Fairfax Co., Virginia Joseph-b. 1757, Loudon Co., Virginia George-b. 1755, Fairfax Co., Virginia John-b. Nov. 26, 1753 James-b. 1759 Hannah-b. 1751 Benjamin-b. Feb. 26, 1762, Loudon Co., Virginia Thought you might be interested. Jo

Jim, Joseph and Jane (Owen) West had 10 children: Issac-b. 1741, Penn. Lacey (Tracy)-b. 1743 Sally (Sarah)-b.1745 Owen-b. 1749, Fairfax Co., Virginia Joseph-b. 1757, Loudon Co., Virginia George-b. 1755, Fairfax Co., Virginia John-b. Nov. 26, 1753 James-b. 1759 Hannah-b. 1751 Benjamin-b. Feb. 26, 1762, Loudon Co., Virginia Thought you might be interested. Jo

I'm not an expert, but laminating will maintain the item's physical integrity, but UV will ultimately still affect the contents. If you ask around at scrapbooking stores they might lead you to laminates which are UV blockers. Also, if you use those handily plastic sheet protectors, make certain they are 'archival' quality or they can do damage to the papers if you use them long-term. While I'm not a fan of 'scrapbooking', the technology you can learn is very helpful in preserving genealogical documents over the long-term. Allen Rev. E. Allen Siebold Lansingburgh Ecumenical Shared Ministry Pastor: The United Methodist Church 3rd Ave at 116th St. Stated Supply: First Presbyterian Church (USA) 3rd Ave at 115th St Troy, Rensselaer Co., New York, USA www.gbgm-umc.org/lansingburgh [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fischers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [WEST-L] BENJAMIN WEST > How safe is laminating?? I understand lamination will , in time, darken the > item until one cannot read/see it anymore. I have obituaries, laminated in the > mid 1970's that cannot be copied now, they are so dark and not readable. > Marilyn > > [email protected] wrote: > > > If I were you I would go down if you don't have one and have it enclosed it > > laminated. > > It will show up so much clearer and that way you can copy it and laminate > > them > > for your children and grandchildren. That is what I am doing with a lot of my > > old > > pictures. > > I would feel exactly like you but they, I am sure meant well. > > wrak > > > > ==== WEST Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe send a post to <[email protected]> > > Type UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. > > For Digest substitute the letter D for the L in the address. > > > ==== WEST Mailing List ==== > Families are like fudge. > Mostly sweet with a few nuts. > >