I am trying to trace the HOLDING Family of Kingsclere and have found a marriage to a member of the Lutyens family, namely:- LOUISA FRANCES LUTYENS born Pangbourne, Berks about 1828, who married John Carter HOLDING at St. Andrew, Clifton (Bristol) on 15 Oct 1851. John was a member of the Kingsclere Holdings family whose roots go back to the early 1600s in Kingsclere. The Holdings lived at Elm Grove, Kingsclere, Beenham Court, Headly (now Cheam Hawtreys School) and Hide End House, Brimpton, Berks. I know of Sir Edwin Lutyens, a very prominent architect, and there are plenty of websites devoted to his work but I can find very little about his parents or other ancestors. I did find that:- Charles Augustus Henry Lutyens was his father. Charles A. H. was born ca 1829. He served in the Army and rose to rank of Captain before leaving the army to become a painter. Among other accomplishments he helped design the lions in Trafalgar Square. Noted for his portraits of race horses, Charles married Mary GALLWEY and had thirteen children, Edwin being the 10th. It looks as though Charles had a brother (or cousin) Englebert, also a painter. The 1881 census has them both in London and gives birth place of both as Stall, Reading. Where is Stall? I've also found a Captain Englebert Lutyens who was Orderly Officer at Longwood, St. Helena and a collection of his letters from Feb 1820-Nov 1823 have been published. Longwood was Napoleon Bonaparte's home on St Helena until his death. Is there any connection between this Englebert and Charles A. H. & Englebert and possible parents Charles Lutyens and Frances Jane FLUDGER who were married at Pangbourne on 26 May 1824. The place and date suggest these two could be the parents of Louisa, Charles Augustus and Englebert but I have no means of checking. Charles and Frances both died at Southcote House, Reading and are buried in London Road Cemetary, Reading. Did the Lutyens family own Southcote House? There is no mention of this in the brief reference to the house I found on the web. John and Louisa Holding must have left almost immediately after their wedding for The Cape of Good Hope, S.A. as their first child was born there in 1853. 20 years later the family are back in the UK and living in Southampton where the last of their 7 known children was born. John and Louisa are recorded in Portsmouth in the 1901 census, he was of independant means and had five un-married daughters in household aged from 30-49. John & Louisa both died in Southsea in the early 1900s and are buried at St. Paul, Ashford Hill (near Kingsclere) next to John's father, the Rev. John Holding who was Vicar of Ashampstead, Berks until his death in 1870. The Rev John's wife Susannah died at Pangbourne in 1846 and was buried at Holy Trinity, Reading. Lutyens doesn't seem to be a very common surname in England and isn't even listed in the National Genealogical Survey or Rootsweb Surnames listings. Possibly of German origin and I wonder if Captain Englebert Lutyens was a member of the King's German Legion who fought at Waterloo. I shall be trying to get hold of a copy of his letters to see if they throw any light on his family connections. -- John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software