Subject: Brick wall. I am searching for Archibald SAMPSON b. 1837 Nailsworth, Gloucester. I have him in the 1851 Census and then it is known he is in the States abt. 1859/60 selling for his father and visiting Uncle's there. I can find nothing more about him in Eng. or the States except I have a Jane SAMPSON s.i.l. in the 1891 age 43 b. Malmsbury marr. and 1901 wid.living with Archibald's sister in Dorset, do not know who she is but Archibald is the only one unacounted for. I will be happy with two dead bodies !!!!! Toni

Pamela, Have you searched the UKBMD site? http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/ The GRO indexes are known to have errors and omissions - remember that these idexes were originally made from copies held by the local Superintendant Registrar. The UKBMD site is aiming to produce new indexes from the originals held at local offices ...and it is FREE. Quite good coverage for the northern areas of England so may be worth a search. For those who have never used this site before, the marriage indexes usually include the name of the other party...so no gueswork involved. Kind regards Sandra pamela.pa.hayes@centrelink.gov.au wrote: >- > > >Pamela PA HAYES >28/07/2005 08:04 AM > > To: WESSEX-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com > cc: > Subject: Re: [WSX] stone or brick walls > Reference: > Expires on > > > > > > >How about a brick wall that is 25 years old. !! > >I have been searching for the marriage of my GG Grandparents John ALLSOP >(1820-1870) and Ann HADWIN (1822-1863) nee ATKINSON around 1854 >probably in Bradford area (Ann was there in 1851) for that long. His >second marriage. > Just recently I found a third marriage in Milford Derbyshire to Ann >WHEATCROFT nee Gregory.This was after I found his son Bennett ALLSOP (my >g grandfather) on 1871 Census in Crewe (thanks to Ancestry) with step >mother and half siblings. Bennett known as John ended up in Bristol when >is wasn't at sea and married Lydia WALTER in 1891. I am descended from >their son Charlie Burgoyne ALLSOPP. > >Any suggestions on where to look for the marriage. I have done searched in >various versions of St Caths indexes. Free BDM Yorkshire & Derbyshire BDM >. and paid for searches. I am sure they did marry I think they were missed >off the index. >John snr travelled around a lot as an engine smith turner for railways >which doesn't help. In 1841 he was still in Milford with his parents and >brother Elijah. In 1861 he was in Lancashire with second wife Ann at her >sisters (Mary FOGGILL) home > >Hopefully some long lost cousin will read this . > >Pam Hayes nee Allsopp >Brisbane > > >********************************************************************** >IMPORTANT: This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is confidential, commercially valuable or subject to legal or parliamentary privilege. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that any review, re-transmission, disclosure, use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited by several Commonwealth Acts of Parliament. If you have received this communication in error please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this transmission together with any attachments. >********************************************************************** > > > >==== WESSEX-PLUS Mailing List ==== >Genealogy isn't just for Christmas it's for all the year round and beyond into future years and future generations > > > >

Connie wrote, I have a brick wall that is impossible to get over. I'll searching for my father's parents. Actually his mother's name would suffice, if I had it. My father was left at an orphanage; it was the Scattered Homes of Plymouth. According to the records he was born Aug. 1908, and left at this orphanage in June 1911. Now whatever happened to him in the first three years of his life is a real mystery. The records say that there is no mention of either parent and no signature of who left him at this place ??????? After leaving The Scattered Homes of Plymouth he was sent to The Liverpool Sheltering Homes , and here they prepared him for his new life in Canada. After searching for a few years I have not been successful in finding any birth registration nor a birth certificate. I shall never give up, and I know there is someone , somewhere who gave birth to my father. -----------Connie-----daughter of BHC, William James Lemmon / Lemon----------

Still searching for the correct connections of GALLOP and EUSTACE in Dorset and Devon that went to Newfoundland. The GALLOP is William and he married a Mary KEARLEY in NL in 1794. The EUSTACE is James who married a Grace COX in NL in 1777. Also have a James EUSTACE married to a Bridget in Swanage and in NL around 1654 and a James and Charity (Rockall?) in NL and Hugenden, Buckinghamshire in 1734. Non of these are proven except the marriages of William and Mary 1774 and James and Grace in 1777 in NL. Any possible connections appreciated. Pat, in Michigan

Hello Pamela, There is a JOHN ALLSOP married in MARCH QTR 1854 TAMWORTH (Staffordshire) Vol 6b 379 on Ancestry Civil Reg list. Unfortunately, it doesn't given any other names. Is it worth sending for the marriage certificate, "just in case"? Good Luck, Norma Coomber

I have a big stone wall in the shape of Jessie JAMES. Jessie first appears on the scene in 1891 with her widowed mother: 1891 census Gloucester Mary A James 38 widow b London Middlesex Head girls school Jessie 11 b London Middlesex daur home scholar Fluker, Charlotte W 72 Hampton, Herefordshire Mother Living at 117 Oxford Road,Gloucester in 1901 they are still there: 1901 census Gloucester Agnes James head W 53 Headmistress Girl's School own Ac At Home b London Jessie do dau S 21 Teacher in do do b. do Flossie Wade niece S 14 Boarder in do b. nk Douglas C. Gough Boarder S 22 Grocer's Assistant Worker b. Rodley Glos Living at 117 Oxford Road, Gloucester She married the lodger Douglas Gough in 1902. She said her father's name was Charles James. In 1903 they had a son Reginald James Gough. In 1904 Douglas died of pneumonia. In 1906 she married Wilfrid Tapscott and said her father's name was James James. They had a son in 1907. Wilfrid left home and was never heard of again. (Until I found him!) In 1914 Jessie married Arthur Price, a greengrocer aged 40. She said her father's name was Henry Fluck. I have no more on her and can find no deaths for her or Arthur. Where did she come from? There is a red herring in 1881 with another Mary James in Gloucester, also a school teacher: 1881 England Census No 13 Brunswick Sqr., Littleworth, Gloucestershire, England Mary James abt 1841 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Head School proprietress Jane A. James abt 1846 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Sister do Elizabeth James abt 1807 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Mother do Elizabeth Wheeler abt 1836 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Sister do Harry P Powell abt 1872 Clapham, Middlesex, England Boarder Scholar Thomas A. Washbourne abt 1870 Barnwood, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Scholar Emma Avery abt 1861 Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England Servant I don't believe these two Mary (Agnes) James are the same person. If so, where was Jessie in 1881? I believe she was most likely illegitimate and that Henry Fluck was her grandfather. If anyone can help unravel her story I would be very pleased ----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <WESSEX-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:05 PM Subject: [WSX] stone or brick walls > > How about we all do some brick or stone wall postings then? > We all have them... > You never know we might find some connections out there with a new found > cousin or 2... > Look forward to seeing you soon. > Linda and Tony (List Admin) > > > > ==== WESSEX-PLUS Mailing List ==== > Are they called brick walls because there is always "mortar" find > > Hampshire Parish Register transcriptions at:www.knightroots.co.uk > www.knightroots.co.uk >

Thanks to all who responded to my Willis lookup request - it's confused me even more, but hey - what are we in this for anyway?! LOL! All the best. Colin Hunt.

Hi I have a "brickwall that I`ve tried to get down for 4 years. I`m looking for any records of my great grandmother Catherine POWELL and the only three records that mention her are concerning her daughter Agnes Selina POWELL. I have AGnes`s birth, marriage and death certificates which hhave no mention of a father I only know that Catherine was a servant at Joys Green in 1874and that in 1884 she was desrcribed as "late of Ruardean" Agnes was born in 1874 and in 1896 married my grandfather William ALLAWAY at Lydbrook Any suggestions as to my next move in this search@? Sylvia Morgan(nee ALLAWAY) From: Knightroots@aol.com Reply-To: WESSEX-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com To: WESSEX-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WSX] stone or brick walls Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:05:26 EDT How about we all do some brick or stone wall postings then? We all have them... You never know we might find some connections out there with a new found cousin or 2... Look forward to seeing you soon. Linda and Tony (List Admin) ==== WESSEX-PLUS Mailing List ==== Are they called brick walls because there is always "mortar" find Hampshire Parish Register transcriptions at:www.knightroots.co.uk www.knightroots.co.uk

1b. TIPS FROM READERS: Creating Off-site Backups By Nona Lightner I just read the tip from a reader about having backups externally as well as off-site. I firmly believe that backups should not be saved on the hard drive--too easy for the computer to crash, and there go the backups! I have stuff on floppies and CDs. As to my genealogy, each of my three grandsons has a binder for genealogy with his personal information in it -- including family group sheet and pedigree chart. There is a pocket in the binders for a floppy backup. That way, I have an off-site back up for genealogy -- and I get the floppies periodically to update them for the boys. * * * 1c. USING ROOTSWEB: Striving for Perfection You might say Paula PERFECT fits her name, well, perfectly. She wants everything to be error-free. When she married Stewart STICKLER all of her friends laughed and knew this was a marriage made in heaven when Paula became Paula (PERFECT) STICKLER. To say that Paula is obsessive/compulsive about perfection is an understatement. Her favorite pastime is family history research and Paula's friends have an arsenal of "Perfect Paula" stories about her attempts to achieve perfection in genealogical record keeping. There's the tale about her scribbling in a history book to correct a typographical error. Then there was the time Paula, flashlight and tools in hand, was apprehended by the night watchman at the local cemetery where her great-grandparents are buried. She was caught red-handed trying to "correct" the spelling on her great-grandfather's stone from GREEN to GREENE. The family Bible entry showed that great-grandpa GREENE had been born on March 22 and that is the day he'd always celebrated his birthday. When Paula obtained a copy of his birth certificate she noted the date of birth was listed as March 23. Now most people would just shrug off a one day difference in the birth date of an ancestor who has been dead for more than 30 years -- but not Paula. She sent in a photocopy of the Bible record along with a sworn affidavit that Silas GREENE had always celebrated his birthday on March 22nd -- and demanded that the state correct its record. A tad over the top? But look how many of us approach "errors" we find in online databases at RootsWeb. If you find a user-submitted family tree that includes your ancestor and his name is spelled GREEN when you have never seen it spelled other than GREENE, do you demand that the submitter (or worse yet RootsWeb) change the spelling? Does it really make a difference and have you considered that the submitter may well have found great-grandpa's name spelled GREEN in records he uncovered that you have not yet discovered? Name spelling variations are common in genealogical records. Only greenhorns insist on a particular spelling of their family names. It is not unusual to find an ancestor's name spelled two or more ways in the text of a deed or a will and then quite often the signature will vary from the spelling(s) in the document itself. Does it really matter whether great-grandpa was born on March 22 or March 23? Is it not more important to prove his parentage and the connection between the generations than whether he was born one minute before or after midnight on a given date? When you find online user-submitted data that conflicts with your research information, take the time to check the source of the information listed by the submitter (if provided, of course). Then, follow up by contacting the submitter to further review any serious discrepancies between your data and his. If you are unable to reach the submitter, he/she does not respond, and/or the two of you cannot come to an agreement and you feel strongly that your interpretation of the evidence needs to be represented, upload your file with sources and explanatory notes. This enables others to review the data in both files and decide for themselves which to believe. Nothing counteracts erroneous data more forcefully than having a genealogy with well- substantiated evidence and cited sources online. RootsWeb does not edit, alter or remove genealogical data from someone's online database just because you feel you can prove something is inaccurate or differs from what you have in your files. The world is filled with conflicting genealogical information -- in books, on CDs, in online files, and on tombstone inscriptions. Even official documents, such as birth records, contain inaccuracies. For those of you, like Paula (PERFECT) STICKLER, who are concerned about pinpoint accuracy in genealogical records, the starting point should be with your own database. Have you checked it to be sure it is error-free? Use the error-finding and fixing capabilities of your genealogy software program to locate inconsistencies and improbabilities. Do you have anyone in your database whose birth, marriage, and death dates are inconsistent or improbable -- such as marrying after they die, living to be 176 years old, or a woman giving birth at age three? Make certain that your database includes sources for all information. Your sources might range from a family Bible entry to a vital record, military record, or an interview with a much older cousin. All are your sources and represent how you came to know these pieces of informa- tion you have included in your file. Even thought there might be 10 incorrect (and unsourced) databases with the same individual for whom you have listed a source in your file, your inclusion of a verifiable source will help to outweigh incorrect data in the other family trees.

How about we all do some brick or stone wall postings then? We all have them... You never know we might find some connections out there with a new found cousin or 2... Look forward to seeing you soon. Linda and Tony (List Admin)

Colleagues The next meeting of the Oxfordshire Family History Society will be held next Monday 1 August 2005 at Exeter Hall, Oxford Road, Kidlington, Oxford OX5 1AB. The doors open at 7.15 pm with the presentation starting at around 7.30pm. The evening will be hosted by Les Binns of the society's Computer Group Panel, who will be talking about "Using Personal Ancestral File V5". He will be conducting an extensive exploration of this free family history programme. All members, potential members and their guests are welcome. For directions as to how to get there, please see the map linked to the society's website at :- www.ofhs.org.uk For a list of future meetings of OFHS, please see :- http://www.ofhs.org.uk/meetings.html Any queries, please contact me off-list. Paul Gaskell Minutes Secretary and Publicity Officer Oxfordshire Family History Society Web : www.ofhs.org.uk E-mail : publicity@ofhs.org.uk

Hello from N.Z., I hope members of this list are still as friendly and helpful as they were some years ago when I was a member. I am looking for information on D’ARCY WILTON BATTERN, whom I believe was the gentleman who married my Aunt Frances Fowler, in Taunton in 1912. According to the marriage cert he was a journalist and his father was Wilton Forrester Battern, a Royal Navy captain. So far I have had little luck in tracing any other details. I would very much like to know a) D’ARCY’s mothers name and lineage b) What ship or ships his father served in and dates if possible c) Any details of Darcys employment names of papers he may have worked for I realize this is a big ask but any information or suggestions as to further avenues to investigate would be extremely useful and appreciated. TIA Sally in N.Z. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/55 - Release Date: 21/07/2005

I have several brickwalls, Martha GEARING is one I would like to put a crack in. According to her death certificate, Martha was born the daughter of Thomas and unknown in 1786 in Wallingford, Oxford. I know Wallingford is sometimes in Berkshire. There is no listing anywhere in Oxfordshire or Berkshire which matches her. Or anywhere else either. This knowledge comes from her daughter who registered her death in 1869, so we have no real idea if this is the truth. It is documented that she married Guy COLE in Ealing Middlesex on 29 Aug 1814, and they came to Australia in 1849. Any ideas ? Diane Cole

None in Hinton Charterhouse. These in Norton St. Philip: Lower Street, Norton St. Philip Joseph 50 farmer Ann 15 Dean(?) 15 All born Somerset Regards, Colleen ----- Original Message ----- From: <Kvilhaugveien@aol.com> To: <WESSEX-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 9:44 AM Subject: [WSX] 1841 lookup request > Morning all, > > I don't know whether anyone has instant access to the 1841 census, but I'd > appreciate details of any WILLIS entries at Hinton Charterhouse (aka > Charterhouse Hinton) or Norton St. Philip. Both are reasonably small villages, so > hopefully this isn't a mad request. > > All the best, > > Colin Hunt. > > > ==== WESSEX-PLUS Mailing List ==== > The Free BMD Project: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > > Hampshire Parish Register transcriptions at:www.knightroots.co.uk > www.knightroots.co.uk >

Take good notes for me , Paul, as I have been needing this info. for a few years now. I'm tracing the Elliot family from Devonshire, collaterals of the Elliots from Sommersetshire. Please note if the group of Elliots from your area are related to he ones north of the border as all of the early Elliot records were burned in the castle. Linda Elliott > [Original Message] > From: <PaulGask@aol.com> > To: <WESSEX-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 7/21/2005 5:21:03 AM > Subject: [WSX] Next week's Oxfordshire FHS meeting > > > Hi Colleagues > > The next meeting of the Oxfordshire Family History Society will be held on > Monday 25 July 2005 at Exeter Hall, Oxford Road, Kidlington, Oxford OX5 1AB. > > Doors open at 7.15 pm for coffee, help with both genealogy and computers, > bookstall, library and exchange journals. > > The subject of the talk at 8:00pm is "Tracing Scottish ancestry in England & > Wales", by Wendy Anderson. This sounds like a very useful lecture for those > researchers who have not yet tackled their lines from North of the Border. > > All members, potential members and their guests are welcome. > > For directions to get there, see :- > > http://www.ofhs.org.uk/ExeterHall.html > > For a list of future meetings of the OFHS see :- > > http://www.ofhs.org.uk/meetings.html > > Any queries, please contact me off-list. > > Paul Gaskell > Minutes Secretary and Publicity Officer > Oxfordshire Family History Society > Web : www.ofhs.org.uk > E-mail : publicity@ofhs.org.uk > > > ==== WESSEX-PLUS Mailing List ==== > Virus warnings, test message and flaming are strictly OFF TOPIC. If you need virus info, see http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/announce.html#virus >

Hi Colleagues The next meeting of the Oxfordshire Family History Society will be held on Monday 25 July 2005 at Exeter Hall, Oxford Road, Kidlington, Oxford OX5 1AB. Doors open at 7.15 pm for coffee, help with both genealogy and computers, bookstall, library and exchange journals. The subject of the talk at 8:00pm is "Tracing Scottish ancestry in England & Wales", by Wendy Anderson. This sounds like a very useful lecture for those researchers who have not yet tackled their lines from North of the Border. All members, potential members and their guests are welcome. For directions to get there, see :- http://www.ofhs.org.uk/ExeterHall.html For a list of future meetings of the OFHS see :- http://www.ofhs.org.uk/meetings.html Any queries, please contact me off-list. Paul Gaskell Minutes Secretary and Publicity Officer Oxfordshire Family History Society Web : www.ofhs.org.uk E-mail : publicity@ofhs.org.uk

Morning all, I don't know whether anyone has instant access to the 1841 census, but I'd appreciate details of any WILLIS entries at Hinton Charterhouse (aka Charterhouse Hinton) or Norton St. Philip. Both are reasonably small villages, so hopefully this isn't a mad request. All the best, Colin Hunt.

Hi! Thanks for your advice. This type of thing is really addictive and I wish I had more time to devote to the investigation. I am really intrigued by what I have found so far. I appreciate your help. Lori

Hi Lori, I am afraid that there is quite a gap between our Duckett s. My nearest Richard Duckett lived in a little village in Wiltshire, England. He was my greatgreatgreatgrandfather. He was like many of his time, an agricultural labourer (usually shortened to Ag Lab in personal records) and in 1867 when his son got married he could not write his name. This is hardly like someone from a family which came over with the conqueror, sporting the name Duchet. Your Richard Duckett was 200 years earlier and tracing his genealogy might be easier and might be harder. If you can trace him to one of the major families in Britain then you might find him in Burke's Peerage or Landed Gentry or in Debrett. If you can then you can work from books which might be available in your local library. Otherwise you will have to access Church records and archives for anything before about 1837. Since 1841 there have been census records in Britain taken every 10 years. I have transcriptions for Wilts, Somerset and Gloucestershire for 1851 and the whole of Britain is available on CD from the Mormons. They are not perfect but they are very helpful. If you know about Richard Sr from the US end then you could find some clues to his reason for being stateside and then start over here. A birthplace and date would lead you to church records of Baptism, Marriage and Burial. I find the prospect of going back on the Duckett s quite fascinating. The only one I can remember meeting was my father's great aunt about 50 years ago but I have some records going back to the early 19th century but not before. I hope you find this interesting. Please keep in touch regarding your researches. Regards, Rod ----- Original Message ----- From: <HDZ321@aol.com> To: <WESSEX-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [WSX] FW: Duckett > Hi Rod: > I am new at geneaology and am not sure how accurate my information is at > this point. I have traced back as far as Ranulph Duchet in 1098. His son > Nicholas (b1129) spelled his surname Duket. Nicholas' son Richard (b1162) changed > the spelling again to Ducket. Richard's son Stephen (b1205) then changed it to > Duckett and that is how we spell it to this day. I am in South Carolina, USA. > Richard Duckett Sr. came to America in the late 1600's. I have found a few > Duckett's born in Wiltshire, Grayrigg, Calston etc. Richard Duckett Sr. was > born in London in 1672. Being an American, I am very interested in where my > family originated and why they came to America. > > Lori > > > ==== WESSEX-PLUS Mailing List ==== > Virus warnings, test message and flaming are strictly OFF TOPIC. If you need virus info, see http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/announce.html#virus > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Felicitations. I'm in the process of (trying!) to make enough sense of all my notes to come up with a roll-call of ancestors as far as I know them. While I've been going through the papers, it dawned on me that in the six years or so since I gave up quill and parchment in favour of the mystery which is this computer, I've received an enormous amount of help from other listers from all around the world. It struck me that there probably aren't many other hobbies which produce such a marvellous amount of collaboration, so as there's no time like the present, I'd like to say a huge THANK YOU to everyone who's helped me with my research, and to those who help others too. It's really quite a privilege to belong to such groups. All the best, and here's to future successes! Colin Hunt