G'day This is one of the wills I had success with from the GLS R O site http://www.gloscc.gov.uk/pubserv/gcc/corpserv/archives/genealogy.htm (please note I have included the site this time!) The will of Samuel GAZZARD of Dunkirk Minchinhampton who died 1843. Basically he leaves things in trust for his wife Mary during her life time and then everything to be sold and divided evenly between son John GAZARD (mason), son Samuel GAZARD, sons in law John GARDNER and Nathaniel HILLIER and grandson Charles NICHOLLS. Died the day after he made the will 10 Feb 1843 - made a cross (because of illness?) Witnessed by Isaac WAKEFIELD and Isaac CHANDLER who could both write (after a fashion). I tried to put together the family that was on the 1851 census from this; started with Nathaniel HILLIER as he was easiest Minchinhampton 1851 census SECTION V All that part of the Parish of Minchinhampton called Theescombe Division lying to the South of the Road from Hampton Common to Little Britain and to the West or Lower side of the Road from Littleworth to Nailsworth passing Dunkirk House, including the Old Lodge, Theescombe, Little Brittain, Dyehouse, Mills-Culver House, Dunkirk Mills. Merritts Mill and that part of Watledge and Nailsworth to the West of the Road 22 Pages Persons 160 Male 218 Female 378 Total Enumerator William Latham 62 GAZARD John 47 Stone Mason Horsley Esther 49 Former Servant Kingscote James 19 Stone Mason Minchinhampton Henry 13 Errand Boy Minchinhampton Louisa 8 Scholar Minchinhampton 63 HILLIER Nathaniel Widr 71 Chelsea Pensioner Minchinhampton Mary Ann 20 Cloth Worker Burler Minchinhampton Nathaniel 17 Fellmonger App Minchinhampton OK so that’s him, living next door to his brother-in-law John GAZARD mason. His wife is dead (and may have been dead in 1843 which is why the share went to son-in-law rather than daughter.) [NB I have a researcher's note that Susanna HILLIER may have died 1847]. Here is his marriage Nathaniel HILLIER Sex: M Marriage(s): Spouse: Susanna GARERD Marriage: 1 Mar 1827 Minchinhampton, Gloucester, England ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Batch number: Dates Source Call No. Type Printout Call No. Type M049001 1754-1803 0857042 Film 6911966 Film No wonder that wasn’t picked up as GAZARD! He was obviously much older; here is his bapt Nathaniel HILLIER Sex: M Event(s): Christening: 30 Jul 1780 Minchinhampton, Gloucester, England Parents: Father: Daniel HILLIER Mother: Martha ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Batch number: Dates Source Call No. Type Printout Call No. Type C049002 1751-1812 0857040 Film 6911965 Film C049002 1813-1875 0857041 Film NONE Sheet: John and Mary GARDINER (GFHS index as marrying Painswick 31 Jan 1817) are much harder because of the common names. With my version of the 1851 census index (although not really suited to such a task) it does not appear to me that there are John and Mary GARDNER however spelled who are old enough living together in 1851, at least not in Minch or any of the obvious surrounding parishes or in Painswick. There are only 2 bapts for John and Mary GARDNER in Painswick on the IGI . Mary Anne GARDNER - International Genealogical Index Gender: F Christening: 18 May 1817 Painswick, Gloucester, England 2. George GARDNER - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Christening: 15 Oct 1826 Painswick, Gloucester, England This could be the son living at Painswick 1851 150 JONES Thomas Widr 64 Labourer Painswick Ann 35 Cranham Emily 13 Scholar Painswick GARDNER George Lodger 24 Lab Bisley Anyway, I wonder again if Mary GARDNER was dead by 1843 (which is why she is not mentioned by name) and if John has died by 1851 - but as I said VERY common names, especially around Painswick. Grandson Charles NICHOLLS; well if you assume that he didn’t go to NSW (with the rest of his family - George and Hannah NICHOLLS, sibs Eliza, Elizabeth, Isaiah, Ellen in 1839) because he had better things to do Charles NICHOLLS Sex: M Marriage(s): Spouse: Deborah ALDER Marriage: 28 Jul 1839 Horsley, Gloucester, England ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Batch number: Dates Source Call No. Type Printout Call No. Type M018101 1733-1754 0425442, 0019528 Film 6911586 Film M018101 1754-1881 0091529 Film NONE Sheet: That made me look closely at this entry Horsley 1851 census 59 ALDER Samuel 75 Shearer King Stanley Fanny 74 Lime Carrier King Stanley Susannah 22 Lime Carrier Horsley Robert Grandson 20 Cloth Worker Horsley NICHOLLS Charles Grandson 3 Cheltenham and then find the family Cheltenham 18 1851 census 74 NICHOLLS Deborah 30 Monthly Nurse Horsley George 1 Cheltenham SIMS John nurse child 9m Cheltenham No sign of Charles although it does not say whether Deborah is widowed or married. If anyone is interested in this family I can put them in touch with Peter Proctor of ACT Australia who is an eminent GAZARD researcher and a descendant of this family. Samuel GAZARD's wife is regarded as being nee SMITH. My own connection to this line is somewhat dubious; I descend from Susannah GAZARD bc1780 who was living Minchinhampton when she married William JEFFRIES Horsley 8 Apr 1805. The relationship is unknown, but as the family witnessed each other's marriages, and JEFFRIES chn sailed on the boat to NSW in 1841 as other GAZZARD descendants, some relationship is assumed. Because truth is stranger than fiction I received an enquiry today for my index of GLS born people who arrived Australia pre 1888 for Mary Ann HILLIER dau of Nathaniel, who married George GLASTONBURY (GLASSENBURY - father Philip, another Horsley bloke) in South Australia in 1858. Mary Ann is the dau aged 20 on the 1851 census; her brother Nathaniel aged 17 also came to South Australia and married Hannah RICKARDS (father Daniel another Minch lady) there in 1866. Any interest in these families? Regards Kaye Kaye Purnell <kayepur@ozemail.com.au> Ancestors from GLS who came to Oz? Database kept on GLS arrivals to AUS pre 1888. Entries happily accepted; searches done. Visit my site at <http://www.ozemail.com.au/~kayepur>. Snail mail to 15 Balla Machree Way, Gymea Bay NSW 2227 AUS, including SSAE or 1 IRC.

Forwarded for information: GENUKI is pleased to announce that it now controls the URLs www.genuki.com and www.genuki.co.uk and anyone using them will now see the real GENUKI pages at www.genuki.org.uk Cheers, Brian -- Brian Pears Gateshead, UK .

Francis FARR married Sarah (?) c 1800. Their children, all baptised in Winterbourne, were: - Daniel bapt 9 Nov 1800 Ann bapt 28 Nov 1802 Sarah bapt 2 Jun 1805 William bapt 6 Sep 1807 Edwin bapt 18 August 1811 Did Sarah die and Francis marry again between 1811 and 1813? The BVRI shows that an Eliza, daughter of Francis and Elisabeth FARR, was bapt on 12 Sep 1813. Adrian Yorkshire Researching: - Devon - LUSCOMBE, SHOBBROOK, PERRIAM, PITTS, QUICK, STONEMAN, COX & CORNISH. Dorset - WILMOT(T) Gloucestershire - HESKINS, FARR, BAKER, & FOWLER Middlesex - MONTGOMERY & SAWARD Somerset - HOLBROOK, POTHECARY & WILMOT(T) Wiltshire - HAWKINS, HEATH, COOK, BECKINGHAM, DASH, RUDMAN, FARR, PITT, WATKINS, FELL, DREW, WILTSHIRE, WAIT(E) & WHIT(E)BREAD Carmarthenshire - PARRY & MORGANS Glamorgan - PARRY & POTHECARY Monmouthshire - POTHECARY Anywhere - MUDON

If anyone has started looking into this then another name that has been linked to this name is BURRY who have been residents in Wiltshire as early as 1584. My Burry ancestors were James Burry and his wife Susannah Swanborough originally from Stert, Wiltshire and then moved to All Cannings, Wiltshire. There are Burry's in the All Cannings records on my site www.swangen.co.uk if anyone wishes to look at it. The 1881 census shows a BERRY/BURRY family which I think was linked to my Burrys. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "isobel newman" <teramahome@optusnet.com.au> (via Paul Benyon <pbtyc@netscapeonline.co.uk>) Reply-To: teramahome@optusnet.com.au To: WESSEX-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WSX] (fwd) BERRY FAMILY WILTSHIRE Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:32:08 +0000 Forwarded: From: "isobel newman" <teramahome@optusnet.com.au> please can u help in finding more about Robert Berry b.abt1592 London.(LDS pedigree chart). Joseph berry b.abt.1807 Ramsbury died in Ulverstone, Tasmania 1 Nov.1880. He was my g.g. grandfather. Joseph came out 1831/2 on the "FOURTH'to work as a shepherd for the Van Diemens Land Company, the rest as they say is history. Thankyou for your attention Tony Newman ==== WESSEX-PLUS Mailing List ==== Can't find the mail list you need - try John Fuller's page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail_country-unk.html _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

There are lots of Wessex mariners in the searchable database of ships and their crews (and passengers where there were any) in port or in coastal waters around the UK on my website. Latest updates are for Cardigan, Cornwall, Cumberland, Hull (Yorks) & Chepstow (Mon) plus two training ships - the Clio at Anglesey & the Mount Edgecombe at Saltash, Cornwall. URL is http://www.angelfire.com/de/BobSanders/81Intro.html Bob Sanders Cardiff

I have not posted in a while. Looking for family name KICK. Also a site for Wiltshire. Have a nice day purrr6242@aol.com Illinois, USA

Does anyone have the fiche for Droxford marriages, and would they be prepared to do a single lookup, please? I looking for the details of the marriage of Charles KINGGATE to Mary PENTON in June 1873, especially places of birth and fathers, plus witnesses. The name Maria GIBSON might feature somewhere. Many thanks, Nigel

As I recently advertised lists in Hampshire, the thought occurred to me that it would only be fair to even the scales as far as other list in the Wessex Region are concerned, especially in view of the rather poor front page that Rootsweb devotes to English Lists! So herewith a list of Lists in the area covered by this list (ugh! :-) ) - please advise me of any errors or omissions off-list: see below for subscription details: BERKSHIRE-L: Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in the county of Berkshire Bristol_and_Somerset-L: Topic: genealogy and local history in the city of Bristol and the county of Somerset DEVON-L: Topic: the county of Devon DORSET-L: Topic: the county of Dorset. ENG-SOM-NORTHCURRY-L: Topic: The village of North Curry, Somerset and surrounding villages. ENG-SOMERSET-FROME-L: Topic: the city of Frome, Somerset. GLOUCESTER-L: Topic: the county of Gloucestershire OXFORDSHIRE-L: Topic: the county of Oxfordshire WILTSHIRE-EMI-L: Topic: emigrants from the County of Wiltshire, to anywhere in the world in any timeframe Subscription details for these lists can be found at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail_country-unk.html or by taking links from: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ Paul Benyon List Moderator

This morning Downloaded the following 1851 Censuses to the usual recipients: Charlton Adam, Charlton Mackrell, Kingsdon, Long Sutton, Pitney, High Ham, It will take several hours to deliver 1,150 emails. Coming up next week Aller, Langport, Huish, Muchelney, Kingsbury, Curry Rival. Somerset will likely be completed about August 5th. See Web Page below if you have an interest in Gloucestershire, Bristol/Bedminster or Somerset, Gordon Please Record New Web Page: http://www.mycensuses.com Email gordonb@mycensuses.com Gordon W. Beavington, 560, Hemlock Road, Kelowna, B.C. Canada, V1X5G4 Transcriber of Gloucestershire, Bristol & Somerset Censuses (250)-765-7621

Forwarded: From: "isobel newman" <teramahome@optusnet.com.au> please can u help in finding more about Robert Berry b.abt1592 London.(LDS pedigree chart). Joseph berry b.abt.1807 Ramsbury died in Ulverstone, Tasmania 1 Nov.1880. He was my g.g. grandfather. Joseph came out 1831/2 on the "FOURTH'to work as a shepherd for the Van Diemens Land Company, the rest as they say is history. Thankyou for your attention Tony Newman

Certain new lists members are sending details of their sites and others to the list every other day or so. This practice is not encouraged and I shall be monitoring the mail of those concerned in future! As it states in your welcome notes the Wessex-Plus List is a discussion area for anyone who has an interest in genealogy or local history related to the Wessex area. It is not a noticeboard! A monthly mention of your site on the list should be more than adequate. You should remember that this list covers 10 counties and the continued mention of one name or one county can become very irritating for other list members and can have the opposite effect to that desired! If you have any comments to make please send them to me off-list! Paul Benyon Wessex List Moderator

Hello Would anyone know if there are "Wells Parish" or "Wells St Cuthbert" Parish Records through the LDS. I have looked and the following is all that I could come up with. The Somerset Archives site lists parish records, so I guess they must exist. Has anyone on this list ordered Wells Parish records? The records I am looking for would be Church Of England. The ones below look like they are for a Independent Chapel.This is all that I could find listed through the LDS. Any suggestions would help. Topic: England, Somerset, Wells - Church records - Indexes Titles: Parish register printouts of Wells, Somerset, England (Independent, Grove Lane Chapel) ; christenings, 1790-1837 Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Genealogical Parish register printouts of Wells, Somerset, England (Independent, Grove Lane Chapel) ; christenings, 1790-1837 FHL BRITISH Film 1037011 Item 13 Best Wishes Ann

Hi Roger, further to Paul's reply - my grandfather(1870-1921)'s army records are a mine of information, with details of two previous wives before my grandmother, his children (my mother never knew that she had step brothers), his date and place of birth, but no mention of who his parents were. Regards, Jill >From: Paul Benyon <pbtyc@netscapeonline.co.uk> >Reply-To: pbtyc@netscapeonline.co.uk >To: WESSEX-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [WSX] Information required to obtain personnel records from >PRO for military service >Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:02:17 +0000 > >On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:33:26 +1000, you wrote: > > >Hello Everyone, > > Could one of our military experts advise if >knowing a person was in the Royal Artillery during the 1870's > >to about 1891 would be enough to obtain a copy of the personnel/service >records from the PRO at all? > > > >The person we are looking for is John Walter SHIRLEY who was a corporal >and he managed to dodge the 1881 census and then was not at > >home in the 1891 census at Saltash, Cornwall where his family lived. > > > >We need to find the army records as we have been unable to find the >marriage in the GRO indexes under any variation of the name for > >himself or his wife. We need to find either the marriage certificate or >obtain the amry records to find out who the parents were for > >these two. > > > >Any help or suggestions would be appreciated, as I am fast running out of >ideas. > > > >Regards > >Roger Shirley > >Cairns, Australia > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

The following pages have been added to the Country Villages website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages HAMPSHIRE WELLOW - History of the Church of St Margaret of Antioch and includes Photographs of Florence Nightingales grave and window display in the church ____________________________________________________________________________ Chris and Caroline Hayles Eastleigh Hampshire List Administrators: HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com Home of THE HAMPSHIRE DORSET & the ISLE OF WIGHT VILLAGES EMAIL: chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk WEBSITE ADDRESS: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages FAMILY WEBSITE: http://www.chayles.freeserve.co.uk Over 350 village histories,parish church histories, village photographs, and other useful information for genealogy. Lots of links to other useful sites

I've uploaded the details for John TILBURY found in the August 1914 Navy List. http://www.tilburyweb.com ==== Steve Tilbury tilbste@home.com Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Hello Listers, Going away for a few days in London, including the FRC time allowing! If any one has anything on VEALE and COLLINGS of Compton Bishop/Axbridge or BESZANT, BINSOME and ANDREWS of Axbridge/Cheddar, and BESZANT and GUY of Chippenham, please feel free to mail me off-line. Regards - Patrisia

Hello Everyone, Could one of our military experts advise if knowing a person was in the Royal Artillery during the 1870's to about 1891 would be enough to obtain a copy of the personnel/service records from the PRO at all? The person we are looking for is John Walter SHIRLEY who was a corporal and he managed to dodge the 1881 census and then was not at home in the 1891 census at Saltash, Cornwall where his family lived. We need to find the army records as we have been unable to find the marriage in the GRO indexes under any variation of the name for himself or his wife. We need to find either the marriage certificate or obtain the amry records to find out who the parents were for these two. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated, as I am fast running out of ideas. Regards Roger Shirley Cairns, Australia esanti@cairns.net.au or roger@hiddenforest.co.nz West Country Genealogy - (coming soon) Co-ordinator for Somerset, England GenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~engsom/ Dorset, England GenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~engdor/

Forwarded On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:41:05 -0000, "Ruth Bartlett" <Ruth.Bartlett@tesco.net> wrote: > > My names and locations of interest are:-- > > BARNES, GREAT SOMERFORD WILTSHIRE 1642 - 1900s > BARTLETT, SIDBURY/SALCOMBE REGIS DEVON 1700-1900 > BOWMAN, MALMESBURY WILTS 1800 > COX, HONITON DEVON 1860 > CROSS, SHOBROOKE DEVON 1850 ON > DAVEY, EGLOSKERRY CON 1841 > " TAVISTOCK, COLDRIDGE DEVON 1850 on > DEEM, SIDBURY/SALCOMBE REGIS DEVON 1750 on > " GITTISHAM DEVON 1860 on > DOEL, WESTBURY/TROWBRIDGE WILTS 1750 ON > FRY, EXETER, SHOBROOKE DEVON 1850 > GOSLING, SIDBURY/SALCOMBE REGIS 1800 > HALFYARD, EXETER/SHOBROOKE 1850 > JONES ASHREIGNEY/COLDRIDGE 1800 ON > KETNOR, LUCCOMBE SOMS 1700 on > LEWIS, MALMESBURY WILTS 1700 on > METTERS, BRATTON CLOVELLY DEVON 1800 > NEWMAN, PURTON WILTS 1700 ON > SEALY, GREAT SOMERFORD WILTS 1650 > WESTLAKE. CLUTTON SOMS 1840 ON >

I have just launched a new mailing list with Rootsweb for the surname WHITTARD. I myself am descended from the WHITTARDs of Leonard Stanley (granddad was even named after the village). To subscribe : send a message to WHITTARD-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains the word subscribe and nothing else. If you prefer digest mode, they should send the command instead to WHITTARD-D-request@rootsweb.com. To unsubscribe, you should send the command "unsubscribe" to WHITTARD-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or WHITTARD-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) To switch from one mode to the other, you should unsubscribe from one and then subscribe to the other. Geoffro The Pond Dipper Http://www.HawkesburyFamilyHistory.co.uk Http://www.HillesleyFamilyHistory.co.uk

On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:33:26 +1000, you wrote: >Hello Everyone, > Could one of our military experts advise if knowing a person was in the Royal Artillery during the 1870's >to about 1891 would be enough to obtain a copy of the personnel/service records from the PRO at all? > >The person we are looking for is John Walter SHIRLEY who was a corporal and he managed to dodge the 1881 census and then was not at >home in the 1891 census at Saltash, Cornwall where his family lived. > >We need to find the army records as we have been unable to find the marriage in the GRO indexes under any variation of the name for >himself or his wife. We need to find either the marriage certificate or obtain the amry records to find out who the parents were for >these two. > >Any help or suggestions would be appreciated, as I am fast running out of ideas. > >Regards >Roger Shirley >Cairns, Australia Hi Roger Firstly lets make it clear that I'm not a military expert and I hope someone will correct me, but this doesn't sound to me to be a purely military question? As it sounds as though you really want the service documents so that you can find details of his marriage and his parents: perhaps you should first of all explore the series of GRO fiche in respect of Births, Marriages and Deaths for H.M. Forces, unless you've already been this avenue: these relate to births, marriages and deaths among members of H.M. Forces and certain other persons working for or attached to H.M. Forces. Entries in the Army Registers appear to date primarily from 1881, although some records are known to go back as far as 1761. May or may not include you man, but if he's not in the regular GRO fiche it may be worth a try. I understand that these are available at the Family Records Centre at: 1 Myddelton Street London EC1R 1UW see: http://www.pro.gov.uk/about/frc/contact.htm I don't know anywhere else that has a copy of these records and can find no trace of the LDS holding them? Perhaps someone else may know? I would have thought that a set of these fiche might have reached your part of the World by now? Perhaps the FRC may know? On to things Army: The chances of finding information that has been archived at the PRO depends in part on the length of the soldier's service. If he completed pensionable service or otherwise gained a pension the chances are usually far higher and from the dates you supply it would appear that he may well have completed pensionable service. The Army: Soldiers' Pensions, 1702-1913 Military Records Information Leaflet No 6 which can be found at: http://www.pro.gov.uk/leaflets/ri2006.htm explains where to find the information. Royal Artillery pensions come under WO 116/125-185, but if he isn't included in these then WO 97 is the main series of records for long service soldiers and survive for most men discharged between 1882-1913. documents are listed alphabetically for all soldiers who completed an Army career, and not just those discharged to pension. They are said to contain a wonderful supply of information about the soldier and his career. But what information they would provide that would help you regarding his Next of Kin, I'm not sure: I would guess that his parents details would have been removed or erased once he married and changed his next of kin, but I could be wrong? Can anyone with experience here advise? Unless you're planning a holiday over here you would need to employ a researcher so see: http://www.pro.gov.uk/readers/independent.htm for details. Best of luck in your research Roger and would love to know how it pans out? Regards Paul Portland