Hi Karla! Somerset is the same as Somersetshire. The conventions with regard to the naming of English counties can be quite confusing. Some, such as Cornwall, Northumberland and Rutland never have the suffix "shire". Some always do eg Cheshire. Dorset and Somerset are, perhaps more often used without the "shire" nowadays but either version is correct. Finally, to add to your confusion, one or two have an abbreviated form which, for historical resaons is not formed by merely dropping the "shire" eg Hants is the short version of Hampshire and Shropshire has an abbreviated form "Salop". I'm beginning to wish I hadn't started this :-) Cheers Paul Alternative Address: mountpleasant@goginan.fsbusiness.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Staudt" <staudt@cptelco.net> To: <WESSEX-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 4:03 PM Subject: [WSX] Where is Somersetshire? > Hello, > > I am trying to locate my g.g.grandparents place of origin. Their > tombstones, and several documents, say they came to the U.S.A. from > "Somersetshire, England". Is this in Somerset county or somewhere else? I > have been unable to find it on any map that I have had access to. > > I would greatly appreciate any help you can offer! > > Karla > staudt@cptelco.net > > > ==== WESSEX-PLUS Mailing List ==== > Can't find the mail list you need - try John Fuller's page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail_country-unk.html > or Rootsweb's own pages from http://lists.rootsweb.com/ > >

Can anyone help me please I am trying to trace the following family and their ancestors. Any information would be greatfully received. I have some information on my line of their descendants if that would be of any interest to anyone. Many Thanks Kelven Descendants of Thomas Burroughs 1 Thomas Burroughs b: WFT Est. 1793-1822 d: Aft. 1866 2 Elizabeth Mary Burroughs b: Abt. 1844 Chard, Somerset. d: Abt. 1917 Honiton Registration District, Devon. Census: 1881 Church Street Salcombe Regis Devon .... +Edwin Ebdon b: 15 August 1845 Sidbury, Devon. Baptism: 14 September 1845 Sidbury Parish Church, Sidbury, Devon. m: 16 July 1866 Sidbury Parish Church, Sidbury, Devon. d: 11 May 1929 4 Laburnum Cottage, Sidford, Sidbury. Census: 1881 Church Street Salcombe Regis Devon

Hello, I am trying to locate my g.g.grandparents place of origin. Their tombstones, and several documents, say they came to the U.S.A. from "Somersetshire, England". Is this in Somerset county or somewhere else? I have been unable to find it on any map that I have had access to. I would greatly appreciate any help you can offer! Karla staudt@cptelco.net

Does anyone know where in Chard, Chard Farm was. It doesn't seem to exist now and I've scanned the maps on http://www.oldmaps.co.uk and can't find it there either. It was farmed in the 1880's by an ggg uncle and his name is the one on the 1881 census. Any help greatly appreciated Andrew

Here is my periodic posting for any new subscribers. I am researching the Rugg twigs on my tree. The information I have so far is as follows; Descendants of Jonas Rugg and Sarah Snelgrove Jonas Rugg married Sarah in Somerset in 1841 1) George Snellgrove Rugg bpd 1845 He married Emily Sophia Edwards of Warminster in 1873 d unknown They had three children George Edward who married a Katherine Randall in 1902 in Wiltshire. Herbert Emily Sarah 2) Thomas Snellgrove Rugg married Emily Bateman in 1873 who died in 1881 His 2nd wife was Frances Ellen (b unknown) in 1881 His children were Jonas born 1874 d unknown + Ella Susanna ? Hurford Thomas b 1877 d unknown Elizabeth b 1876 d unknown If these mean anything to you, please get in touch. Chris Brentnall UK

Hi Researchers. It is the BEARD/TROTMAN/SMITH/HOBBY/ & TUDOR. The period I am doing is from year dot to present day The BEARD's are from Wiltshire into Gloucestershire and one in Lancs (1920) The other surnames are Gloucester. The TUDOR's may have come from Wales, not to sure yet. I do have a very large amount of info on above names and others not mentioned but are connected. Alf Beard

On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:25:09 -0700, you wrote: >Could SKS possibly know a " Sally Bishop, Ripon Court, Bristol " who is also >researching the KEMBREY family ? >I would dearly love to hear from Sally, email, who is a descendant from >siblings of my grandmother - Mary Ann (Polly) KEMBREY b. April 16 1875 >Abson, Glos. > >TIA Mary in California > > If anyone can help replies off-list to Mary please, lest we contravene the UK Data Protection Act! Regards Paul Portland Wessex LO

Periodic posting for the benefit of new group subscribers I am researching the Clift branch of my tree. The information gathered so far is this: Descendants of Mary Ann Clift 1 Mary Ann Clift born abt 1835 in UK d unknown + John Shore Wallis born Redlynch Bruton Somerset August 1841 died Bruton August 1883 2 Married a John Shore Wallis at Bath in 1870 3 Agnes Mary Wallis born March 1872 Cranmore d 1955 4 Martha Kate Wallis born October 1874 married Charles W Hoare in Evercreech Somerset. d Salisbury date unknown 5 Flora Wallis born April 1877, d July 1877 at 3 months old. 6 Evelyn Shore Wallis born July 1879 in County Durham married a William Snelgrove place unknown 7 Greville John Wallis born 1881 at County Durham, married a Yvonne Franks d 1975 If any of this rings a bell with anyone, please get in touch. Regards Chris Brentnall UK

Judy asked: >Browsing through the Amazon site for maps of Dorset (www.amazon.co.uk) I came across 3 lots of Ordnance Survey maps. I am familiar with the Landranger and Explorer series - but what is the Aqua series?< The Aqua series appeared on BBC TV News last night, in sad circumstances. They are O.S maps laminated to make them waterproof, for ramblers and other people who go out in the rain. The sad aspect is that the sales have fallen dramatically because of the Foot & Moth epidemic, so the firm producing them is having to lay off staff. I think maps are very relevant to genealogy. I have always been keen on programs like Genmap UK and BIRDIE which provide mapping of IGI data. The National Burial Index to be released in April incorporates a map of England & Wales, showing the locations and coverage. I reckon the Phillimore Atlas and Index of Parish Registers is the book I use most often. At present I am using this, Lewis's 1835 Topographical Dictionary, and http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ to find the grid reference and postcode of each Wiltshire parish, so I can add Multimaps to each parish page of GENUKI for Wiltshire. regards, David Hawgood.

Forwarded. On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 19:05:15 -0000, "Mary Haskell" <mary-haskell@beeb.net> wrote: I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong, but if you obtained a copy of the death certificate that would give place of death, which would help pinpoint possible place of burial. Mary Haskell (Slough, England) ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Benyon <pbtyc@netscapeonline.co.uk> To: <WESSEX-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [WSX] William W. Sherren > On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:23:27 -0500, you wrote: > > >Hi there! > > > > I am interested to find out where my great grandfather was actually buried. William White Sherren was a travelling minister who I found out died on the 5th of June 1896 and buried in Sunningdale cemetery in Berkshire County. However, when I researched his burial, I was told that He was not buried there. Where do I look for the correct information? > > > >Derk Sherren in Canada > > Hi Derk > > Not quite sure what you mean by cemetery, especially in view of the way > it is sometimes used in North America compared with its usage in the UK. > > In the UK, as many church graveyards were running out of space > government legislation was introduced allowing burials from the mid > 1850s onwards to take place in the public cemeteries run by the local > authority or other licenced body, although many were still performed in > the church graveyard, if there was room. This cemetery may be many > miles from the parish in which the deceased lived and may well be in the > nearest town eg Windsor? > > I'm not aware of the situation regarding Sunningdale and would have > thought that, unless someone on the list has personal knowledge of the > this area, you might receive a more knowledgeable answer on the possible > options available for Sunningdale on the Berkshire List? The subscribe > address is: > > BERKSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Alternatively, perhaps his body was removed from Sunningdale and taken > to a different part of the country for burial, especially if there was a > family plot somewhere else? Although fairly rare in those days it is > not unheard of, especially as the railways covered most of the populated > parts of the country by this time. Perhaps a check in the parish of > his birth should also be on your agenda? > > Further thought: you don't say whether you ggrf was a minister of the > Church of England or a non-conformist: if the latter that may open > other options if one of the chapels at which he preached had a burial > ground: by this I mean that many didn't, but some did! > > Regards > > Paul > Portland > > > ==== WESSEX-PLUS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from list send the command "unsubscribe" to: > WESSEX-PLUS-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > WESSEX-PLUS-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > >

Hi Derek I wonder if this is one of those cases many of us have experienced in real life when someone asks the same sort of question! The census enumerator asks Henry "Where were you born"? Henry replies - with a suitably strong Wiltshire accent "Upton Scudamore" or wherever as appropriate! Say it quickly to get the suitable effect on the enumerator! Westbury Leigh and Chapmanslade are maybe other good ones? To which the enumerator has replied "Where's that"? wondering how its spelt and getting his mental phonetic alphabet ready :-) "Near Westbury" replies Henry "Oh, I know where that is!" replies enumerator, with relief, and thinks to himself, I know how to spell it too, and enters Westbury! So perhaps the event may have been recorded in one of the PRs around Westbury "or" in the home parish of his mother if she went home to have Henry, which, of course, he might not be aware of! On the other hand the baptists were fairly popular in that part of Wiltshire at that time and there are numerous baptist chapels in the area: the difficult thing with them is that baptism wouldn't take place until the person concerned was of an age to make a decision regarding his faith, as confirmation is supposed to be, in the CofE! The other problem can be tracking down their Registers! There maybe birth registers, but often few and far between and I have a feeling there may are also be a few sunday school registers around? There's one on-line for Penknap, but regret no Neates present! http://dilton-marsh.port5.com/research/prov_ssreg.html So in summary I should be inclined to have a search of the PRs in the area around Westbury. There is a useful little program called Parish Locator which you can download from: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/parloc/parishlocator.exe which will allow you to select parishes within a given radius of Westbury. If you should bump into my ggf John RAINES b c 1852 in the area let me know - I've got the same problem :-) Paul Portland On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:20:03 EST, you wrote: >Hello List: > >I am looking for information on my 3g-grandfather Daniel NEATE. > >His son Henry Daniel NEATE was born Westbury, Wilts abt 1822 according to census information but search of Westbury PR (and Westbury nonconformist registers at FRC) has failed to find a baptism record. > >Henry Daniel NEATE (by then living in Kensington, Middx) married Anna WHITE 1849 at Winterbourne Dantsey, Wilts and it is from that marriage certificate that I have got the occupation of his father Daniel NEATE. > >>From relationships of visitors stated in census data I know that the following were related to my NEATE line: > >Matilda Nelson NEATE (married name) born Salisbury, Wilts abt 1779 >Julia NEATE (unmarried as at 1881) born Westbury, Wilts abt 1850 >John NEATE, shoe-maker, born Market Lavington, Wilts abt 1820 >Matilda NEATE (married name REA) born Malmesbury. Wilts abt 1825 > > >Does anyone have any of the above people in their tree? > >Thanks >delwoodman@aol.com >Derek Woodman >Brighton, East Sussex , England > >Researching NEATE, WHITE in Wiltshire >SPARROW, EVANS Gloucester >WOODMAN, WALKER, HURCOM, COATES, COOK, COLE in South Glos > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== WESSEX-PLUS Mailing List ==== >Useful Somerset Sites: >http://www.genuki.org.uk/indexes/SOMcontents.html >http://www.somerset.gov.uk/archives/somhome.htm > >

Hi All, Can anyone help me with a look up for GEORGE CAWTE age 43? in the 1851 census for Christchurch Hampshire, hopefully with his wife and children, and please let his son John age 7, be there. Thanks. Annette. South Wales

Hello I'm looking for a Mary Ann CLIFT who married a John S Wallis in Bath in 1870. Mary had a Father called Frederick who was a Woodman. She was living in St Saviours Road at the time of her marriage. I know that she and John had 5 children. Some born in Somerset and one in County Durham. But her early life is a mystery. She had at least one sister. Does this name ring a bell with anyone? Regards Chris Brentnall

Hello List: I am looking for information on my 3g-grandfather Daniel NEATE. His son Henry Daniel NEATE was born Westbury, Wilts abt 1822 according to census information but search of Westbury PR (and Westbury nonconformist registers at FRC) has failed to find a baptism record. Henry Daniel NEATE (by then living in Kensington, Middx) married Anna WHITE 1849 at Winterbourne Dantsey, Wilts and it is from that marriage certificate that I have got the occupation of his father Daniel NEATE. >From relationships of visitors stated in census data I know that the following were related to my NEATE line: Matilda Nelson NEATE (married name) born Salisbury, Wilts abt 1779 Julia NEATE (unmarried as at 1881) born Westbury, Wilts abt 1850 John NEATE, shoe-maker, born Market Lavington, Wilts abt 1820 Matilda NEATE (married name REA) born Malmesbury. Wilts abt 1825 Does anyone have any of the above people in their tree? Thanks delwoodman@aol.com Derek Woodman Brighton, East Sussex , England Researching NEATE, WHITE in Wiltshire SPARROW, EVANS Gloucester WOODMAN, WALKER, HURCOM, COATES, COOK, COLE in South Glos

Judy, The OS are replacing the old series maps with a Outdoor Leisure & Explorer maps. They can be found on http://www.ordinancesurvey.co.uk/ Have you tried Alan Godfrey site for reprints of old town maps? May be worth a try. http://www.alangodfreymaps.co.uk/ Try Stanfords the best map and chart shop in the world, they are on http://www.stanfords.co.uk/ regrds Adrian

Browsing through the Amazon site for maps of Dorset (www.amazon.co.uk) I came across 3 lots of Ordnance Survey maps. I am familiar with the Landranger and Explorer series - but what is the Aqua series? Judy New Zealand

On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:23:27 -0500, you wrote: >Hi there! > > I am interested to find out where my great grandfather was actually buried. William White Sherren was a travelling minister who I found out died on the 5th of June 1896 and buried in Sunningdale cemetery in Berkshire County. However, when I researched his burial, I was told that He was not buried there. Where do I look for the correct information? > >Derk Sherren in Canada Hi Derk Not quite sure what you mean by cemetery, especially in view of the way it is sometimes used in North America compared with its usage in the UK. In the UK, as many church graveyards were running out of space government legislation was introduced allowing burials from the mid 1850s onwards to take place in the public cemeteries run by the local authority or other licenced body, although many were still performed in the church graveyard, if there was room. This cemetery may be many miles from the parish in which the deceased lived and may well be in the nearest town eg Windsor? I'm not aware of the situation regarding Sunningdale and would have thought that, unless someone on the list has personal knowledge of the this area, you might receive a more knowledgeable answer on the possible options available for Sunningdale on the Berkshire List? The subscribe address is: BERKSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com Alternatively, perhaps his body was removed from Sunningdale and taken to a different part of the country for burial, especially if there was a family plot somewhere else? Although fairly rare in those days it is not unheard of, especially as the railways covered most of the populated parts of the country by this time. Perhaps a check in the parish of his birth should also be on your agenda? Further thought: you don't say whether you ggrf was a minister of the Church of England or a non-conformist: if the latter that may open other options if one of the chapels at which he preached had a burial ground: by this I mean that many didn't, but some did! Regards Paul Portland

Hi Judy Just had a quick look around the site and couldn't see anything, but its getting late and I might have missed something: the URL is: http://www.ordsvy.gov.uk/ As an aside it is interesting to note that the OS site has now linked in there site at: http://getamap.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/getamap.asp where you can see a modern map with the old map site ie turn up the map you want to see as it is today and then click on the icon on that page and turn up the 19th century equivalent. Not as good as the alternative site at: http://www.old-maps.co.uk/oldSite/index.htm but could be handy if you can't find what you want on the old maps. Regards Paul Portland On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:47:01 +1300, you wrote: >Browsing through the Amazon site for maps of Dorset (www.amazon.co.uk) >I came across 3 lots of Ordnance Survey maps. I am familiar with the >Landranger and Explorer series - but what is the Aqua series? > >Judy >New Zealand > > > >==== WESSEX-PLUS Mailing List ==== >If your relative was a mariner why not have a look at: >http://www.mariners-l.freeserve.co.uk/ > >

Hi there! I am interested to find out where my great grandfather was actually buried. William White Sherren was a travelling minister who I found out died on the 5th of June 1896 and buried in Sunningdale cemetery in Berkshire County. However, when I researched his burial, I was told that He was not buried there. Where do I look for the correct information? Derk Sherren in Canada sherren@csolve.net

Many years ago, a search of The Nimrod Index revealed a Bastardy record by Sarah FORWARD spinster against William ALFORD, a labourer, both of Mere in 1816. Also a warrant to arrest father. Ref: WRO/438/50&51. This information has not been followed up at this time, although a baptism of Mary FORWARD daughter of Sarah on 7 July 1816 at Mere has been noted on the IGI. Am I likely to get much more detail from the WRO reference ? Thanks in advance, Vicki Sydney, Australia http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hails/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.231 / Virus Database: 112 - Release Date: 12/02/01