Hello I was looking for the good old needle in a haystack today at my FHC. My ggg grandmother was Sarah ___ married John Barrett, born in Melksham. I went through the Melksham pr's looking for any Sarah's born between 1812 and 1817 as I have a few different dates for her, and I wrote down quite a few. I will post some to the list, and then if enough people want me to post more I will. They are all different surnames, so may help someone out there. 1812 Jan 26th Sarah, daughter of Robert and Sarah GERRISH March 1 Sarah daughter of William and Ann ANGEL August 2 Sarah daughter of William and Jane RAMSEY ?? (hard to read) November 1 Sarah daughter of John and Ann POCOCK Ann dauhgter of John and Ann POCOCK 1813 Jan 31 Sarah daughter of Robert and Ann WILLIAMS, abode Melksham, trade/calling/rank labourer Feb 14 Sarah daughter of Joseph and Catherine HOWELL, abode Melksham, trade/calling/rank labourer. Sarah daughter of William and Sarah PRICE, abode Radcliffe Bristol, calling/trade/rank Rope maker March 28 Sarah daughter of James and Sarah STARE, abode Melksham, trade/calling/rank weaver. October 24 Sarah daughter of James and Jane RICHARDS, abode Melksham, trade/calling/rank plasterer ??? Hope those help someone out there, because they can't all be related to me! Taryn Jones Canada PS - I can not do lookups on the pr's as I only have limited time, but I will keep posting the Sarah's from 1814-1817 if I get enough replies. Off list please! I don't want the listowner getting mad at me! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

Hi Listers I couldn't stay away from this great site! I've now discovered a 2xg-grandmother in my husband's family, named Julia BUCKLAND,b 3 Mar 1830. She married James Charles HALE in Fisherton Anger, 11 Jan 1854. Well, it looks like Anger in the family bible, but could be Angel. Either way, I can't locate it, not even on Multimap. Could SKS please tell me whether I'm looking for the right name? And of course, if anyone is researching these names I'll be delighted to hear from them Kind regards Joy

Hello I have found the birth of someone who I believe is my gg grandmother's brother George Barrett. The registration district is Swindon, the year/qrtr is 1853/1 and the volume is 5a. I can't read the page number however and that year isn't on film at my FHC. Could sks just take a quick look and tell me if the page number is _ _ 9, _9 or just 9? Thanks in advance Taryn Canada __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

Just remember that if you were married in 1870, & born after 1837 you stood a good chance of not having a birth certificate as it was'nt compulsory to register births until 1875. "Sod's Law Prevails", in my experience it's those about whom you want to know most who were'nt registered - or even included in the 1881 census!! Steve in Zelston, Dorset Annette wrote: > If you were married in 1870, did you have to provide your birth certificate, or did you just put what you were known by. > > I have John Alfred CAWTE age 26 married on 1.1.1870, surely he would have had to have been born in 1844. > So why could I only find a birth registration of John George CAWTE. (George was his fathers name). > Could this one and the same person?? ______________________________

Hi Listers I am seeking any information on WOODWARD family of Bremhill Wilts. George WOODWARD married Jane Skeates PILL at Bremhill they had 6 children one of which Edwin Thomas WOODWARD married Hannah GULWELL of Hawkesbury Glos and moved to Berkley I cannot find birth of George regards Robert Millard

Annette wrote: > If you were married in 1870, did you have to provide your birth certificate, or did you just put what you were known by. > > I have John Alfred CAWTE age 26 married on 1.1.1870, surely he would have had to have been born in 1844. > So why could I only find a birth registration of John George CAWTE. (George was his fathers name). > Could this one and the same person?? In addition to the points already made, you should be aware of the possibility that John George was an older brother who died in infancy. Re-use of the same or very similar name in these circumstances was very common. ------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Fisher in Luton, Beds, UK. jim@jimella.co.uk Personal site: http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~jimella/home.htm Management accounting site: http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~jimella/

The registers for St Mary' parish church Calne includes the following: - "Burials August 1739 22 William Brown 22 William Swain (?) both executed at Tytherton for Robbery on the High Way." Does anyone claim them? ===== Adrian Yorkshire ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

Have you come across the following, please: - Elizabeth RIX or RICKS of Purton. She had two children (as far as I know), Richard and Ann. Richard was baptised in Purton on 1 August 1784. He married Hester GLEED in Purton on 21 July 1806. Adrian Yorkshire ===== Adrian Yorkshire ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

Hi David, I have the following: James DOGGRELL, born in West Tisbury and christened in Semley on 6 August 1837. Married in 1861 to his first wife Eliza HACKER, born in Fonthill Gifford circa 1836 and buried there on 26 July 1905. Any connection, d'you think? Regards Joy

I am a new subscriber and would like to hear from anyone, whos knows anything about either of the undermentioned families: 1) The HACKER'S who originate from around the Yeovil area in the early 1600's 2) The SWANGER/SWAINGER family who lived in and around Stogursey/ Bristol/ Gloucestershire I look forward to hearing any news David

I want to share info with anyone having the following UK genealogical interests: NEWMAN of Portland, DORSET (from 1735), Weymouth/Melcombe Regis, and wherever earlier (my paternal line). (also AYLES, PEARCE, BALE, MUSSELWHITE of same area) NEWMAN family of DORSET: Fifehead Magdalen, E & W. Stour, Kington, Sherborne; SOMERSET: N & S. Cadbury, Evercreech, Wincanton, Queen Camel, etc.; GLOUCESTERSHIRE: Thornbury; CORK, IRELAND, Cork city; WILTSHIRE: Salisbury district (pre1500). This armigerous family used the swallow volant/swallow rising/martlet volant crest. I am not directly related to this family but have pursued its genealogy and hold much information concerning it. ROSE of BUCKINGHAMSHIRE: Haddenham, Cuddington, Dadbrook, Eythrop (Eythrope), Hartwell, Waddesdon; OXFORDSHIRE (eastern side); Thame, etc. (also RAYNER, RICKETTS, KNIBBS, CLARKE, BURROWS of same areas) DODWELL of BUCKINGHAMSHIRE and OXFORDSHIRE (also DYSON of same areas) Tony Newman Lisle ONTARIO

Hi Michael! If you are in the Latin period, the more likely words for Senior and Junior would be "major" and "minor" but the word "senior" is in any case only the comparative forrm of senex ie the elder. So I should regard the abbrevaited "Sen" after the name in all but a burial record as definitely senior and senex would be more likely to be spelled out in full Cheers Paul Alternative Address: mountpleasant@goginan.fsbusiness.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tut" <tut@tutton.org> To: <WESSEX-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 2:12 AM Subject: [WSX] Latin/Middle English > Hello all. > > I'm doing the parish record transcription thing and I need a bit of help > with the word "senex" > > My Latin dictionary says "senex" means "old (over 45) old man, old woman". > > Sometimes the records say "senex" other times they say "sen." > > I'm wondering if "sen." means senior or if it is short for "senex"? > > Can "senex" mean senior or is the only meaning of "senex" "old"? > > I don't think I could have been more confusing if I tried. > > Thanks in advance. > > P.S. I'll be doing this with other words over the next few weeks, as I near > the end of the burials. > > -Michael- > > www.tutton.org > > > > ==== WESSEX-PLUS Mailing List ==== > Useful Somerset Sites: > http://www.genuki.org.uk/indexes/SOMcontents.html > http://www.somerset.gov.uk/archives/somhome.htm > >

>Original message > >Hi All, >If you were married in 1870, did you have to provide your birth >certificate, or did you just put what you were known by. >I have John Alfred CAWTE age 26 married on 1.1.1870, surely he would have >had to have been born in 1844. >So why could I only find a birth registration of John George CAWTE. >(George was his fathers name). >Could this one and the same person?? >Thanks. >Annette..South Wales. My great grandfather was christened and buried [ certificates for both events agree ] as James Charles Bartlett HALLETT yet was married, also in 1870, as Charles James Bartlett HALLETT and was known as Charles. I assume this was to avoid confusion with his father James. If I were Annette I would put my money on buying the certificate for John George CAWTE to see if parents are correct. Geoff Hallett, near Kingston, Canada

The 1851 Censuses for the following Locations have just been downloaded to the usual recipients. Bishop Hull, Norton Fitzwarren, Staplegrove, Cheddon Fitzpaine, West Monkton, Bishop Lydiard. Kingston waiting for 2 missing pages to arrive from the PRO. This film 107/1923 will be finished in a couple of days but it maybe a week before I can issue the Film Index. Next Film is 107/1922 will start next Monday. a 2 reeler about 5 weeks to transcribe. Gordonb Please Record New Web Page: http://www.mycensuses.com Email gordonb@mycensuses.com Gordon W. Beavington, 560, Hemlock Road, Kelowna, B.C. Canada, V1X5G4 Transcriber of Gloucestershire, Bristol & Somerset Censuses (250)-765-7621

Dear Michael and all friends, Latin was thrust upon and into me at school. Our master, Hector Raymod Gilleard, told us that, 'One day, you'll find it useful!' and he was right, for the day has arrived! "SENEX" meant, according to him, specifically an 'old man', as the noun is masculine. The word for an old woman is "ANUS". Iain, in Brampton, Cumbria, UK

Forwarded: On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:45:52 -0700, "Bryan Jones" <bryanthomasjones@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi to all: I am interested in anything relating to the surnames:- STONE in the Wiveliscombe area. WINTER in the Brampton Ralph Area and JONES of St Patricks and St Joseph areas of Bristol for the periods pre 1828. I am able to assist in records searching at Pembrokeshire and Carmarthenshire Records Offices. And visit the National Library of Wales an average of once a month, should anyone like some assistance with Welsh Connections, please send details known and what is wanted by way of assistance. Should anyone know anything regarding my names I'd be grateful to hear from them, thanks Bryan (Pembrokeshire, Wales)

Hi Annette No, there is no need to produce a birth certificate for a marriage. The fact that those who have been married sign the certificate in the presence of two witnesses, who also sign, is deemed adequate, as my parents found to their cost when they had to order a copy from Somerset House following the loss of the original in a fire. When they received the copy they discovered that an error had been made and requested a correction. Somerset House explained that as they had signed the original certificate they were certifying that it was correct: however further investigation revealed that the copy held by the church where they were married was correct, so it was just the copy sent to Somerset House that was wrong. It took another two years for Somerset House to agree to a correction being made. I still have some of the correspondence. Perhaps like my parents you have an error ? It is interesting to note that on my grandmother's birth cert she is known as Annie Mabel, but on the marriage cert she is shown as Mabel Annie: not quite the same, but the very devil to find in the GRO's Index :-) And on the same marriage certificate her father is noted as John Samuel Kinsey, whereas he was christened Samuel Kinsey, which is also how he appears on Annie's birth cert. I have been advised that the John came about because as a Butler he was known as John by the family he worked for and decided to adopt it as a part of his name. In summary, there is probably no easy answer! All you can do is follow the trail back to the best of your ability with the information you have available. Regards Paul Portland On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:55:16 -0000, you wrote: >Hi All, >If you were married in 1870, did you have to provide your birth certificate, or did you just put what you were known by. > >I have John Alfred CAWTE age 26 married on 1.1.1870, surely he would have had to have been born in 1844. >So why could I only find a birth registration of John George CAWTE. (George was his fathers name). >Could this one and the same person?? > >Thanks. >Annette..South Wales. > > >==== WESSEX-PLUS Mailing List ==== >Looking for a 19th century map in your area of interested? The try: >http://www.old-maps.co.uk/oldSite/index.htm or old Gloucs maps >http://www.smilodon.uklinux.net/maps/GLS/index.html > >

Hello all. I'm doing the parish record transcription thing and I need a bit of help with the word "senex" My Latin dictionary says "senex" means "old (over 45) old man, old woman". Sometimes the records say "senex" other times they say "sen." I'm wondering if "sen." means senior or if it is short for "senex"? Can "senex" mean senior or is the only meaning of "senex" "old"? I don't think I could have been more confusing if I tried. Thanks in advance. P.S. I'll be doing this with other words over the next few weeks, as I near the end of the burials. -Michael- www.tutton.org

Hi All, If you were married in 1870, did you have to provide your birth certificate, or did you just put what you were known by. I have John Alfred CAWTE age 26 married on 1.1.1870, surely he would have had to have been born in 1844. So why could I only find a birth registration of John George CAWTE. (George was his fathers name). Could this one and the same person?? Thanks. Annette..South Wales.

I have a Charles and Bertha Prater (Preater, Preator, Pretor,etc) living at Hermitage, Berks. Looking for names of parents or anything else! THANKS! Gary Benton Prather Frisco, Texas USA