Sometimes there are Bishops Transcripts available. These are the copies of the parish register sent to the bishop for his information, they are usually kept at the record or archive offices, at least mostly they are in Somerset, for Wooton Basset, particularly, I don't know. These are your best bet though. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: <Joaras@aol.com> To: <WESSEX-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 5:38 PM Subject: [WSX] DAMAGED PAGES IN PARISH REGISTER -WHERE NEXT? > Hello all, > > I am researching Wootton Bassett, Wiltshire Baptisms and the book I have says > the pages were damaged from August 24, 1709 through April 7, 1717 so that > last names of children born were not legible nor the names of their parents. > Is there any other source of births that can be checked aside from parish > registers for births for that time period? > > Any advice would be greatly appreciated. > > Joan in Freeport,N.Y. > > > ==== WESSEX-PLUS Mailing List ==== > Ordering BMD Certificates and how much: see > http://www.statistics.gov.uk/nsbase/registration/certificates.asp > http://www.statistics.gov.uk/nsbase/registration/certe_w/fees.asp > >

kerri parker wrote: > hi > I wonder if this is the correct list to post this query to?? > > I have John SPOKES b 1805 and transported to australia. his papers give Reading as his native place > I believe that there are some publications of some of the birth transcripts for reading. I wonder if anyone has access to these for this time and could have a look for me ..... only if they are indexed of course > Thank you for reading this. I have looked through some of the parish records but no luck. hoping he might be on an indexed transcript Kerri > Kerri > researching > COATES,ESAU,HAYNES,SNELL in London > BAKER,STALLARD in Somerset > SPOKES in Berkshire > WALL,WILLIAMS in Herefordshire > SAVILLE in Essex > HARKER,GIBSON in Cumberland > CANNON,QUAYLE in IOM > CAPEWELL,YATES in Staffordshire > WORRALL,in Worcester > MEE in Leicester > ALCORN in Sussex > > ==== WESSEX-PLUS Mailing List ==== > Looking for a 19th century map in your area of interested? The try: > http://www.old-maps.co.uk/oldSite/index.htm or old Gloucs maps > http://www.smilodon.uklinux.net/maps/GLS/index.html

Carol Carlson asks: >I have been using the suggestions recently posted regarding the IGI and had great success with it. My question is, since there was not a census at the time period in which I am researching (late 1700's, early 1800's), is this considered a primary source - not the IGI itself, but the church records on film at the LDS library? Or are the church records a secondary source? At what point did the government start recording births and issuing birth certificates? - which are considered a primary source, right?< Parish registers of christenings, marriages and burials are primary records (for some churches - mainly baptists - there is a dedication at birth and later an adult baptism). The government started registers of births, marriages and deaths in July 1837. Church records of christenings, marriages and burials after July 1837 are still a primary source. Note that Bishops Transcripts are copies from the parish registers - made within the parish to send to the Bishop. Note also that the LDS library does not have all church records on film. It is always worth checking with the relevant Record Office, and looking at the National Index of Parish registers published (usually a book per county) by the Society of Genealogists. regards, David Hawgood.

Joan asks: >I am researching Wootton Bassett, Wiltshire Baptisms and the book I have says the pages were damaged from August 24, 1709 through April 7, 1717 so that last names of children born were not legible nor the names of their parents. Is there any other source of births that can be checked aside from parish registers for births for that time period?< Bishops transcripts have been suggested, but unfortunately the National Index of Parish Registers (Vol 8 pt 2 by Cliff Webb) says BTs around this time only exist for . . 1693, 1701, 1718-1731, . . It is worth sending an email to Wiltshire and Swindon Record Office. at wsro@wiltshire.gov.uk , to check that these dates are correct. regards, David Hawgood.

Hi All I am new to this list and trying to trace the following COOPER,s, I would be much obliged if someone could please look up to see if there is a birth for Eliza COOPER and Louisa COOPER and William COOPER and Benjamin COOPER to one family in the parish of Ropley or Bishop Sutton for the years c1885-to c1895, I know they lived in Ropley area as well as Bishop Sutton, some of the family relocated to this parish later. Eliza and Louise moved to Reading Berkshire later in there lives. I beleive William moved to Winchester/Aldershot later in his life. I have the data for 1881 census on CD rom but cannot find them except a possible link at Southampton St Marys. Sorry to be so vague but this is all the info I have. Would be grateful for any information. Paul Clements pclement@jlonline.com Nanjing China Paul Clements ADC Telecommunications(Nanjing) Ltd Telephone 025-to follow

On my web page there are some names of people in Chard in 1829 and 1832 which may be of interest to someone. http://www2.dynamite.com.au/rjoram/Lacejohn.htm with best wishes Rosemary Rosemary Oram rjoram@dynamite.com.au http://www2.dynamite.com.au/rjoram/index.htm

Hello all, I am researching Wootton Bassett, Wiltshire Baptisms and the book I have says the pages were damaged from August 24, 1709 through April 7, 1717 so that last names of children born were not legible nor the names of their parents. Is there any other source of births that can be checked aside from parish registers for births for that time period? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Joan in Freeport,N.Y.

Could some kind lister please check for A Mary Ann BROWN dob 14/6/1846 daughter of an Alfred and Eliza BROWN of Rockbourne. Tia Shirley searching for HAYTER BROWN MASTERS WATERS GODFREY

I have been using the suggestions recently posted regarding the IGI and had great success with it. My question is, since there was not a census at the time period in which I am researaching (late 1700's, early 1800's), is this considered a primary source - not the IGI itself, but the church records on film at the LDS library? Or are the church records a secondary source? At what point did the government start recording births and issuing birth certificates? - which are considered a primary source, right? Carol/USA Researching: ROWSELL, CLEAL, LYE, MORGAN, LACEY, SYMS, BROWN in Somerset CRABB and CAINS in Dorset

Hi Chris Looks like your Ellen may be here: H.O. 107/1936 CENSUS No. 1 Part of the Parish of East Brent, Edingworth & North Yeo (Yeo - Local River) Pages 21 Persons 196 Male 182 Female 378 Total Enumerator Edmund Gane Call No 7 BAILEY Thomas Widow/er 39 Tailor Worle Edwin 14 Servant East Brent, Som. Ellen 11 Scholar East Brent, Som. John 9 Scholar East Brent, Som. Emily 6 Scholar East Brent, Som. Emma 4 Scholar East Brent, Som. Ann Mother in Law Widow/er 73 Ag. Lab Kewstoke, Somerset. Source: Gordon Beavington's index of the 1851 census for Somerset: See: http://www.mycensuses.com for details Regards Paul Portland On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 05:56:25 EDT, you wrote: >Can sks please look up 1841 and 1851 census of EAST BREANT for an ELLEN >BAILEY She was born 1839c so would be about 2 and 12 on census. Many TIA > Chris For 19th Century Newspaper Extracts see: http://members.netscapeonline.co.uk/pbtyc/News_Extracts/News_Extracts_Index.html

Hi all, In looking through the burials book for WROUGHTON. Wiltshire I was moved quite deeply by the causes of death noted during the period 1785 through 1812. Dropsy, consumption,smallpox,measles, convulsions, "hooping cough", fever, cancer, the "King's Evil" (scrofula), apoplexy seemed to affect persons of all ages and, of course, there were deaths of child and mother during childbirth. It makes one pause and wonder not only about the miracles of modern medicine but also at the fact that so many of us were blessed to have ancestors who survived all this and more. Will be happy to do lookups for WROUGHTON, Wiltshire baptisms through 1837 and burials through 1837 as well. Best wishes Joan in Freeport,N.Y.

Hi Derek You could try: The Cemetery Manager Portsmouth City Council Civic Offices Guildhall Square Portsmouth PO1 2AL Telephone City Infopoint: (023) 92 834092 Switchboard: (023) 92 822251 E-mail general@portsmouthcc.gov.uk Regards Paul Portland On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 02:10:25 EDT, you wrote: >I am looking to find burial records of various ancestors who died in >Portsmouth or Southsea in the period 1910 to 1930. > >Does anyone have readily to hand contact details for whichever body holds the >records for cemeteries operating in Portsmouth at that time? > >Thanks >Derek Woodman > > >==== WESSEX-PLUS Mailing List ==== >If your relative was a mariner why not have a look at: >http://www.mariners-l.freeserve.co.uk/ > > For 19th Century Newspaper Extracts see: http://members.netscapeonline.co.uk/pbtyc/News_Extracts/News_Extracts_Index.html

On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:11:15 +1000, you wrote: >On my web page there are some names of people in Chard in 1829 and 1832 >which may be of interest to someone. >http://www2.dynamite.com.au/rjoram/Lacejohn.htm > >with best wishes >Rosemary >Rosemary Oram rjoram@dynamite.com.au >http://www2.dynamite.com.au/rjoram/index.htm Thanks Rosemary And could I also suggest that if list members have someone in their tree who was in the lace industry Rosemary's site makes an excellent place to start you research if you want to explore some of the history of the industry as she also includes a bibliography of her sources. http://www2.dynamite.com.au/rjoram/laceintr.htm Paul Portland

Can sks please look up 1841 and 1851 census of EAST BREANT for an ELLEN BAILEY She was born 1839c so would be about 2 and 12 on census. Many TIA Chris BURGESS IN CHESHIRE AND BARROW-IN-FURNESS HUMPHRIES IN PORTSKEWETT, MON. ANY MON. FISHER IN WALES NORTH IN DEVON GROVES IN DEVON MOCK IN DEVON BAILEY IN EAST BRENT, SOMERSET

I am looking to find burial records of various ancestors who died in Portsmouth or Southsea in the period 1910 to 1930. Does anyone have readily to hand contact details for whichever body holds the records for cemeteries operating in Portsmouth at that time? Thanks Derek Woodman

Dear Listers, I apologise most humbly for being so woolly headed. Unfortunately I was distracted by family and deleted some instructions I intended to keep. If SKS has a copy of the message from David Hawgood re Finding Children on IGI that west sent 19 Mar 2001, would they be so very kind to send me a copy. Thanks, Carole

On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 20:41:18 +0100, you wrote: > Later known, I believe as >Gladstone's Follies, one of which I have the pleasure to view from the >front of my home ie the Verne Citadel at Portland. Should of course read Palmerston's Follies Paul Portland For 19th Century Newspaper Extracts see: http://members.netscapeonline.co.uk/pbtyc/News_Extracts/News_Extracts_Index.html

Hi All, Searching for descendents and anyone with connections to Frederick ROSE born in 1891 in Yeovil, Somerset. He married Nellie Lucy STONE in 1916 in Yeovil. They had children Frank William ROSE born 1922 - 1923 in Yeovil died 1940 in Yeovil and Rodney M ROSE born 1928 in Yeovil. Grateful for any information. Sue Bridgend Descendants of Walter Rose 1 Walter Rose b: Bet. 1859 - 1862 in Winchester, Hampshire .. +Alice Alma Lane b: 1856 in Cranborne, Dorset m: 1879 in Hinton Martel ...... 2 Edith Lily Rose b: 1876 in Yeovil ...... 2 Annie Rose b: 1881 in Yeovil ...... 2 William Rose b: 1882 - 1883 in Yeovil d.1918 in France ...... 2 Nelly Rose b: 1885 in Yeovil ...... 2 Flossy Rose b: 1889 in Yeovil ...... 2 Frederick Rose b: 1891 in Yeovil .......... +Nellie Lucy Stone m: June 1916 in Yeovil .............. 3 Frank William Rose b: 1922 - 1923 in Yeovil d: 1940 in Yeovil .............. 3 Rodney M Rose b: 1928 in Yeovil

I don't know how others feel, but I think I would recommend the Birth Certificate option initially, which, although it will cost £6.50 + any expenses, should provide the Mother's maiden name which should help you find the Marriage Certificate, if you should need it, of course? Paul Portland On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:40:45 +0100, you wrote: > >> we are after information on jesse gardner who was born in about 1850 in >marcham, Abingdon. any help please. > >The 1851 census for Marcham gives Jesse:- > > Full 1851 Census Index >Search made on 10 April 2001 from Index dated 02/01/2000 >A project funded by the Oxfordshire Family History Society > >Folio 102 HO 107/1688 Marcham > , , HIGGINS, John, SV, u 19, Shop Porter, BRK Marcham > 138, , GARDNER, William, HD, m 36, Ag Lab, BRK Marcham > , , , Frances, WI, m 28, Slop Work, BKM Buckingham > , , , Christopher, SO, 9, Scholar, BRK Grove > , , , Seth, SO, 7, Scholar, BRK Marcham > , , , Esther, DA, 4, , BRK Marcham > , , , Jesse, SO, 2, , BRK Marcham > >You will be able to look for his & his siblings' and parents' baptisms in >the transcribed parish registers - see www.ofhs.org.uk for details of >purchase. Alternatively you could purchase his birth certificate - I can >recommend some certificate agents if you wish. For 19th Century Newspaper Extracts see: http://members.netscapeonline.co.uk/pbtyc/News_Extracts/News_Extracts_Index.html

Hi Heather Me too:-) Nothing much in Great Britain apart from garrison duty and the ever present troubles in Ireland, but plenty of activity in the new colonies such as NZ, Canada, several outbreaks of hostility in China with the Opium Wars etc, the North West Frontier region and the sub-contininent of India and Burma: troops garrisoned in most of the colonies including those which were thought to be fairly peaceful like Oz etc with the major event for the Army of this period probably being the Crimean War 1854-6. But during all of this period, right through to the end of the Century, there was always constant garrison duty along the South Coast of England and the Channel Isles where large forts were being built in the event of hostilities breaking out with the French. Later known, I believe as Gladstone's Follies, one of which I have the pleasure to view from the front of my home ie the Verne Citadel at Portland. There is an excellent Time Line at for some of these events, written by a school teacher, at: http://www.britishempire.co.uk/timeline/19century.htm and another at: http://www.headley1.demon.co.uk/histdate/ Regards Paul Portland On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:36:03 -0700, you wrote: >Please excuse my ignorance, my history took a whisk about the world--French, >English, Russian American and Canadian history, so I really cannot remember >if there was a war in England between 1830 and 1870? A relative says that >A gr.gr.gr grandad was a private soldier at that era. Can someone help? >Heather >Canada > > >==== WESSEX-PLUS Mailing List ==== >If your relative was a mariner why not have a look at: >http://www.mariners-l.freeserve.co.uk/ > > For 19th Century Newspaper Extracts see: http://members.netscapeonline.co.uk/pbtyc/News_Extracts/News_Extracts_Index.html