Hello all Just to add a comment re the International Genealogical INDEX. If we remember that the IGI is an index then we shouldn't be surprised at #s 3,4,5,6,7 listed in previous messages. It is an index not a transcription of the parish register. has a few drawbacks, that you should be aware: >> >>1) Accuracy is suspect, all extracted records must be checked against the original registers >>2) Birth and burial dates are not usually given, burial information never show the age of a person at death. >>3) Illegitimate births do not show the name of the father, even if recorded in register >>4) Comments and asides (sometimes very useful information) by the parson are not recorded >>5) Marriages do not indicate if a person is single, a widow or a widower, when marrying >>6) Marriages do not show name of the parish in which the bride or bridegroom were living prior to the marriage >>7) Those present at a marriage (witnesses) are not recorded >>8) Inscriptions from graveyards are never supplied Regards Marjorie

The following names have been extracted from wills. All names and places are as spelled in the documents. If anyone has connections to these families from the Dorset-Wilts-Hants border area, I would like to hear from you. Phyllis (Ohio) == == == Richard BENCH, of Monkton up Wimborne. [Will] Sarah, wife, Executrix. Children: Richard, son; Samuel, son; Sarah, daughter. Witnesses: Matt: WEST; Samuell _BORN; Charls CLARKE. Signed: 26 Mar 1728 30 Aug 1728. Tho: RILEY Senr. <DRO: AD/DT/W/1728/42> -- -- -- Samuel BENCH, bachelor of Monkton-in-Cranborne. [Letters of Administration] Sarah, sister, wife of John PAUL. 18 Apr 1732 <PRO> -- -- -- Thomas BENCH, deceased, late of Pentridge. [Administration] Mary Bench, widow relict, Administratix, of Woodyates in Pentridge. Matthew PERCY, of Wimborne Minster, stonecutter. John CLARKE, of Blandford Forum, labourer. Edward HAMMOND; Tho: FITZ-HERBERT; Tho: SOLLERS 18 Dec 1739 <DRO: AD/DT/A/1739/24> -- -- -- William NIPPEARD, of Whitsbury, Wilts [Will] Mary, late wife, land at Handley. Children: William Nippeard, son; Elizabeth Nippeard, spinster, daughter. Daughter, Ann Nippeard, deceased. Daughter: Mary MIAL, wife of John Mial of West Harnham, Wilts. Granddaughter: Elizabeth Mial (d/o Mary & John) 6 grandchildren: Ann, John, Mary, Elizabeth, Christian and Jane Mial. Richard Nippeard, of Rockborne, Yeoman, kinsman William BENCH, Tollard, Wilts, yeoman, kinsman Peter BEVIS, deceased, Whitsbury. Francis COLLINS, occupant, Hungerferd within Fordingbridge, Southton Co. Witnesses: Elizabeth TURNER; Stephen PARATT; Ste_ TURNER. 1 Feb 1773 John MORGAN 12 October 1773 -- -- -- William BENCH, of Tollard Royal, yeoman. [Will] Elizabeth Bench, wife. Elizabeth BARKER, widow, daughter. Sarah, wife of Richard NIPPERD, daughter. William Bench, son. Witnesses: George GREEN; George Green Junior; BRICKLER 14 May 1773 -- -- -- William BENCH, of Tollard Royall, Wilts, Yeoman. [Will] Sarah Bench, wife Children: William, son; Sarah FERES, daughter; Thomas Bench, son; Betty Bench, daughter. Mr. Wm. NIPARD, Whichbury, Wilts, cousin. Richd. NIPPARD, Rogborn, Hants, brother in-law. Witnesses: Wm. BENNETT; Robert FOOT; John ROBERTS. 29 September 1805 R. MORRES Junr: 1 May 1810 -- -- -- James BENCH, City of New Sarum, Wilts, Hairdresser. [Will] (Freehold Estate at Tollard Royal, Wilts) Martha BAILEY, of City of New Sarum, spinster, aunt. Witnesses: Samuel DAVIS; N: DAVIS 10 Jan 1856 Charles R. FITZ-MACDONALD. 16 Jul 1864 <WRO> -- -- -- Samuel BENCH, of Tollard Green in Tollard Royal, Wilts, Laborer. [Will] Sophia Bench, wife. Children: Sylvia HOSKETT, daughter; Thomas BENCH, son. Revd George Howard WATERFALL, of Tollard Royal, Rector, Executor. James BURDEN, of Tollard Royal, Executor. Witnesses: George Howard Waterfall; George BUGDEN. 15 Jan 1886 Died 30 Nov 1886, Tollard Royal. Thomas BRODRICK Proved 17 Feb 1887, Salisbury. <WRO> == == == ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

The following Deeds and Leases pertaining to Tollard Royal are among the holdings of the Wiltshire Record Office. For three of them, I extracted the surnames. Perhaps this will help someone. Phyllis (Ohio) -- -- -- -- -- Document # Year Name 2667/1/14/7 1672 Robt BARBER 2667/1/14/12 1694 William BENCH [see below] 2667/1/14/86 1761 LANGFORD [see Vincent below] 2667/1/14/103 1770 Geo GREEN 2667/1/14/107 1771 Geo GREEN 2667/1/14/126 1774 John SIMS 2667/1/14/137 1789 Henry VINCENT [see below] 2667/1/14/143 1796 John GREEN 2667/1/14/149 1802 Thomas BENCH [see below] 2667/1/14/154 1813 John SIMS Indenture (sale) dated 29 Sept 1694 Anne BARBER, of Tollard Royall (sic), Wilts William BENCH alias AGULLY, of East Woodyates, Pentridge, Dorset, yeoman James BOWER, of Donhead St. Andrews, Wilts, yeoman Thomas Bower, son Richard Bower, son Robert Barber, Tollard Royall, gent John BENNETT, Tollard Royall, gent Indenture (lease) dated 30 Mar 1789 Henry Lord ARUNDELL, Baron Arundell of Wardour Henry VINCENT, of Tollard Royal, Wilts, cordwainer Joseph Vincent, son, aged about 8 years Martha LANGFORD, widow (previous occupant under lease of 17 Dec 1761) Mary Langford, daughter-in-law of Martha Langford John Langford (living) Elizabeth Langford (living) Betty RABBETTS (not living) SamL AUGIER, witness Stephen EDWARDS, witness Indenture (lease) dated 28 May 1802 Henry Lord ARUNDELL, Baron of Wardour Thomas BENCH, of Tollard Royall (sic), Wilts, shepherd, aged 40 years Benjamin Bench, son, aged 8 years Thomas Bench, son, aged 3 years -- -- -- -- -- ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Dear Listers I am trying to locate the marriage of Richard Apperley born 23 June 1813 in Stonehouse, Gloucestershire, (parents possibly Richard Apperley & Eliza/Elizabeth Powell) - to - Ann ?. Probably/possibly in Cheltenham or they moved there as Richard died there before 1881. Any information on these or any Apperleys would be greatly appreciated, Later generations came from Tetbury! thanks, Heather Shale

Hi Listers I am new to the list and thought I would post my interests: COOK, DAVEY, DENNER, PRING - Uffculme, Devon DAVEY, Burlescombe, Devon DENNER - Crediton, Devon; Wellington, Somerset TOLLY - Bow, Devon FORWARD -Somerset, ?Devon FRIEND - Dolton, Devon DOWN - Dolton,Devon WESTCOTT, ROGERS, JEFFRIES, PRINCE, SLADE, FORWARD, HARTNELL, SMALE - Wellington, Somerset HARTNELL - Wilton, Somerset VICARY -probably Somerset WARE - Dolton, Devon; Marriston, South Wales If anyone has the 1851 census for Somerset, could you please do a lookup for: John HARTNELL (age 39 b 1812 or age 32 b 1819) and wife Frances (age 32 b 1819) nee Vicary I have 2 birthdates and places of birth and am trying to figure out which John Hartnell is mine. Thanks in advance Regards Jenny

Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:50:04 -0300 From: "Howard Williams & Carole Donaldson" <cdetal@attcanada.ca> > LEPPARD is mainly in southern U.K., I know of one other Leppard in Canada, i just wondered whether there were more. ------ Hi Any LEPPARDs out there, please contact Howard, above.

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:25:29 +0100, you wrote: >Listers, - If this is the appropriate list. If not which is ? > >Does anyone know where I could locate and search the Electoral registers for 'Christchurch and New Forest West constituency'. > >The area I'm interested in is just outside the then Bournemouth town boundary. >I've checked in Bournemouth Library and they only have 'Bournemouth', not even Poole ! > >Bournemouth in the 1920's included Winton and Turberry Park, but excluded East Howe and Kinson. > >TIA >Tim in Nutbourne, W. Sussex Hi Tim This is certainly one of the right lists:-) I would've thought that the Hampshire County RO at Winchester was your best bet as Christchurch and Bournemouth didn't become a part of Dorset until 1974: contact details are: Tel. (01962) 84 6154 e-mail to sadeax@hants.gov.uk See: http://www.hants.gov.uk/record-office/ for details for opening hours etc. Regards Paul Portland For 19th Century Newspaper Extracts see: http://members.netscapeonline.co.uk/pbtyc/News_Extracts/News_Extracts_Index.html

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:43:39 +0100, you wrote: >The IGI (International Genealogical Index) can be searched on line at http://www.familysearch.org/, but for UK users it can be a VERY expensive tool. > >The IGI can be a very good pointer to where a family may have dwelt, but it has a few drawbacks, that you should be aware: > >1) Accuracy is suspect, all extracted records must be checked against the original registers >2) Birth and burial dates are not usually given, burial information never show the age of a person at death. >3) Illegitimate births do not show the name of the father, even if recorded in register >4) Comments and asides (sometimes very useful information) by the parson are not recorded >5) Marriages do not indicate if a person is single, a widow or a widower, when marrying >6) Marriages do not show name of the parish in which the bride or bridegroom were living prior to the marriage >7) Those present at a marriage (witnesses) are not recorded >8) Inscriptions from graveyards are never supplied > >If you are not living near a CRO (County Record Office), visit the LDS Family History Centre, where parish records can be hired at a reasonable cost, for a short duration. >The nearest branch will be found in your telephone directory. > >regards >Adrian Hi All I must stop doing this, but I just had to add a comment to Adrian's excellent list: As Adrian states in item 4) Comments and asides are rarely if ever recorded: this can often cause confusion where a private baptism is followed by a public baptism - not an unusual course of events - so that when both events are recorded in the IGI this appears as 2 separate and normal baptisms and it is sometimes assumed that 2 separate children have been baptised: however a check of the Parish Register and the parson's notes will often clarify the true situation: even if it is only with a faint "pri" and "pub" alongside the entry. You can also find details of LDS Family History Centres from: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp although I doubt if it details the latest addition to the list ie Charlestown, Weymouth, Dorset, UK, which recently held an open day and should be opening properly in the next month or so? Paul Portland

Hello Can anyone tell me if there is an 1851 or 1861 census surname index for Wootton Bassett? I am looking specifically for John Barrett, Sarah Barrett, (Emily)Sabina Barrett and William Barrett. Emily Sabina wouldn't have been born for the 1851 census, but would have been a child in 1861. I'd like to know if there is an index before I order in the roll. Thank you for any assistance! Taryn Jones ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

Dear all, This has probably been said before, but I just found a list of Taunton St Mary batisms at: http://freespace.virgin.net/paul.mansfield1/taunmba3.txt Tnia

Listers, - If this is the appropriate list. If not which is ? Does anyone know where I could locate and search the Electoral registers for 'Christchurch and New Forest West constituency'. The area I'm interested in is just outside the then Bournemouth town boundary. I've checked in Bournemouth Library and they only have 'Bournemouth', not even Poole ! Bournemouth in the 1920's included Winton and Turberry Park, but excluded East Howe and Kinson. TIA Tim in Nutbourne, W. Sussex

Listers, posting interests, Any assistance in tracing the ancestors or contemporaries of these families would be appreciated, please contact. William WICKENDEN -b. 1820's Chatham/Plumstead? KENT. m. ?? ???; family:- son: George WICKENDEN -b. Dec1857 (N.Kent) m.Feb1881 to Kate BARKER b.Mar1857 (?..?) Married in Woolwich worked at the Arsenal, moved to Weymouth/Portland with family of 7 around 1915-20's. William C; Edith; George A; Elsie Mary; Elenor Kate (Nell); Ethel; Alfred Thomas (my ggf); Florence Rose. dau: Sarah WICKENDEN - b. ??? dau: Polly WICKENDEN - b. ??? James Edward BURBIDGE -b. 1852 poss. Wyke Regis, m. Mary E ?...? b. 1850 They had 5 children: Bess(Elisabeth), Richard, Charles, Nell(Eleanor?), Beatrice - between 1876-90. Alfred Thomas WICKENDEN m. Beatrice in Jul-1916 Weymouth. Samuel Highman GREEN - b.1829 Gillingham, DORS, m.Mary A.. ?..?; Shoemaker in Sherborne, had >15 children incl: Samuel Ernest, Stephen U (my ggf) 12 other shown in 1881census Samuel FURZE (believed of Devon) said was (Master) Mariner. m. ?? ???, had as least 1 child dau: Mary Ann FURZE b. 1882 (Newton Abbot, Dev). Stephen U GREEN m. Mary Ann in Aug 1900 Stepney, London. TIA - Tim in Nutbourne, W. Sussex

The IGI (International Genealogical Index) can be searched on line at http://www.familysearch.org/, but for UK users it can be a VERY expensive tool. The IGI can be a very good pointer to where a family may have dwelt, but it has a few drawbacks, that you should be aware: 1) Accuracy is suspect, all extracted records must be checked against the original registers 2) Birth and burial dates are not usually given, burial information never show the age of a person at death. 3) Illegitimate births do not show the name of the father, even if recorded in register 4) Comments and asides (sometimes very useful information) by the parson are not recorded 5) Marriages do not indicate if a person is single, a widow or a widower, when marrying 6) Marriages do not show name of the parish in which the bride or bridegroom were living prior to the marriage 7) Those present at a marriage (witnesses) are not recorded 8) Inscriptions from graveyards are never supplied If you are not living near a CRO (County Record Office), visit the LDS Family History Centre, where parish records can be hired at a reasonable cost, for a short duration. The nearest branch will be found in your telephone directory. regards Adrian

http://www.herald.ns.ca/cgi-bin/home/displayobit?2001/04/12+obit618.raw Thursday, April 12, 2001 The Halifax Herald Limited DENSLEY, Albert St. Clair DENSLEY, Albert St. Clair - Dartmouth, passed away suddenly on Tuesday, April 10, 2001, in Dartmouth General Hospital. Born on May 1, 1915, in Halifax, he was a son of the late Hubert Albert Reginald Densley (born on September 15, 1887, in Newport, Southampton, England, the son of ..................................>

Can anyone help me? Maternal great-grandparents were James MESSAM and Julia WITHERS (the former hailing from Preshute/ Marlborough and the latter from Haydon Wick/Rodbourne, Swindon). I have successfully traced both families back through a couple of generations. However, this week on doing a double check I went to the parish records for St Mary's Rodbourne to look at the wedding date for James and Julia and to my horror I discovered that in September 1882 Julia married James MASON! - he even signed his name that way (or was it the clerk who signed, plus a X ?) There is no indication of a death for James MASON and a second marriage to James MESSAM. Is this just another example of poor literacy at the time, and mis-spelling of his name in the register? Is it the result of an odd pronunciation? Or have I been researching the wrong Julia? Census evidence suggests I am correct - and an older generation remembers visiting some of Julia's younger siblings and all the names tally. There is no doubt that the family name was MESSAM. Presumably a copy of a cert. from London would only give me a the marriage of WITHERS/MASON?! Any suggestions to find a way forward? Steve, Swindon

On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:54:39 -0400, you wrote: >Joan asks: >>I am researching Wootton Bassett, Wiltshire Baptisms and the book I have >says >the pages were damaged from August 24, 1709 through April 7, 1717 so that >last names of children born were not legible nor the names of their >parents. >Is there any other source of births that can be checked aside from parish >registers for births for that time period?< > >Bishops transcripts have been suggested, but unfortunately the National >Index of Parish Registers (Vol 8 pt 2 by Cliff Webb) says BTs around this >time only exist for . . 1693, 1701, 1718-1731, . . > >It is worth sending an email to Wiltshire and Swindon Record Office. at >wsro@wiltshire.gov.uk , to check that these dates are correct. > >regards, >David Hawgood. >Hi Joan > Hi Joan Oops! Having just written the following: >Just had a look at the IGI catalogue and as Andrew suggests the LDS hold >the Bishop's transcripts for the period 1607-1880 - Contains bundles >1-5: baptisms, marriages, burials, 1607-1837; baptisms and burials, >1838-1880. FHL BRITISH Film 1279441 Items 2-6. and not being aware of David's contribution above it looks as though the LDS catalogue doesn't reflect missing years - apologies! Paul Portland For 19th Century Newspaper Extracts see: http://members.netscapeonline.co.uk/pbtyc/News_Extracts/News_Extracts_Index.html

On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:54:41 -0400, you wrote: >Bishops Transcripts are copies from the parish registers - made within the >parish to send to the Bishop. Although this is the ideal state of affairs the actuality is occasionally a little different ie one does sometimes find differences between the Parish Registers (PRs) and the Bishops Transcripts (BTs) eg at Bridport, Dorset there are a number of baptisms which appear in the 18th Century BTs but not in the PRs, despite ISTR some of the BTs being signed as true copies by the vicar and a church warden - one of the latter being a distant rellie - we think :-) It should be emphasised that although most vicars appeared to be very conscientious some vicars at this time didn't take their clerical duties too seriously: in view of their background and upbringing some were more interested in their social round than bothering with church duties! There is an interesting item written in 1868 in Notes and Queries asking the question "What Becomes of Parish Registers?" which is quite an eye opener: see: http://erl.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/ilej/image1.pl?item=page&seq=5&size=1&id=nq.1868.2.29.1.9.x.197 and the item on Chickerell says something about the validity of a few of the entries too :-) Which all adds up to the answer - yes the PRs are the prime source, but if you are able to check both the BTs too, then this is advisable. Similarly Birth, Marriage and Death Certificates raised under civil registration can also have transcription errors and a check of the PRs can sometimes clarify an anomaly. I have a marriage certificate where the wrong person was patently entered as the father of the bride, and from the Parish Register I was able to find the correct info! Regards Paul Portland For 19th Century Newspaper Extracts see: http://members.netscapeonline.co.uk/pbtyc/News_Extracts/News_Extracts_Index.html

On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:38:02 EDT, you wrote: >Hello all, > >I am researching Wootton Bassett, Wiltshire Baptisms and the book I have says >the pages were damaged from August 24, 1709 through April 7, 1717 so that >last names of children born were not legible nor the names of their parents. >Is there any other source of births that can be checked aside from parish >registers for births for that time period? > >Any advice would be greatly appreciated. > >Joan in Freeport,N.Y. Hi Joan Just had a look at the IGI catalogue and as Andrew suggests the LDS hold the Bishop's transcripts for the period 1607-1880 - Contains bundles 1-5: baptisms, marriages, burials, 1607-1837; baptisms and burials, 1838-1880. FHL BRITISH Film 1279441 Items 2-6. Hopefully this'll get you out of the hole? Regards Paul Portland For 19th Century Newspaper Extracts see: http://members.netscapeonline.co.uk/pbtyc/News_Extracts/News_Extracts_Index.html

Hello all, Thank you Paul for your kind words and if anyone has any suggestions or criticisms about any of the pages on lace please let me know. List of the known original workforce that went from Loughborough, Leicestershire to Tiverton, Devon in 1816 THIS LIST IS BY NO MEANS COMPLETE http://www2.dynamite.com.au/rjoram/loughlist.htm Best wishes Rosemary Rosemary Oram rjoram@dynamite.com.au http://www2.dynamite.com.au/rjoram/index.htm

You shouldn't forget Southern Africa during this period, where there was a series of "Kaffir Wars" on the border of Cape Colony particularly in the region of the Kei River in the Eastern Cape. Many of the forts around Portsmouth face inland and were built to protect Portsmouth, the premier naval base, from attack in the event of the Napoleon getting ashore further up the coast. At the time of the Crimean War, the Victorian Goldfields had made Melbourne the richest port in the Empire. This lead to the fortification of Port Philip Bay to protect Melbourne from a potential attack by the Russian Pacific Fleet. Cheers David Perth, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Benyon" <pbtyc@netscapeonline.co.uk> To: <WESSEX-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 3:41 AM Subject: Re: [WSX] What war was around in 1835? > Hi Heather > > Me too:-) Nothing much in Great Britain apart from garrison duty and > the ever present troubles in Ireland, but plenty of activity in the new > colonies such as NZ, Canada, several outbreaks of hostility in China > with the Opium Wars etc, the North West Frontier region and the > sub-contininent of India and Burma: troops garrisoned in most of the > colonies including those which were thought to be fairly peaceful like > Oz etc with the major event for the Army of this period probably being > the Crimean War 1854-6. > > But during all of this period, right through to the end of the Century, > there was always constant garrison duty along the South Coast of England > and the Channel Isles where large forts were being built in the event of > hostilities breaking out with the French. Later known, I believe as > Gladstone's Follies, one of which I have the pleasure to view from the > front of my home ie the Verne Citadel at Portland.