A change in legislation which meant that vicars were required to use new registers from 1813. This cut off date often comes at a suitable juncture for some transcribers - eg one County FHS has, I believe, transcribed all the PRs in the county from 1813 - 1837 ? There are other dates which some transcribers also work to, for similar reasons, eg 1837 and 1754. Paul On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 15:44:29 -0000, "Pat Robb" <[email protected]> wrote: >Does anyone know why many parish registers and transcriptions are only available to 1812? On numerous occasions I have found that PRs are available beyond 1812 but are not included in some transcriptions and that on other occasions the PRs only seem to go up to 1812. Why 1812? > >Pat Robb >Researching: >CORNELIUS - Chard & Combe St Nicholas Somerset, Southampton and Cardiff > >TUCKER - Chardstock > >KEETCH / KEECH / KETCH - Chard & Combe St Nicholas Somerset > >TROTT - Chard & Combe St Nicholas Somerset > >COAT / COTE / COATES - Curry Rivel & Combe St Nicholas Somerset > >TRUMP - Combe St Nicholas Somerset > >WAKEFIELD - The Ampneys & Chedworth Glos., Cardiff > >PINCHEN / PINCHIN - Salperton &Coln Rogers Glos > >THOMAS - St Mellons Mon., Cardiff > >LEWIS - St Mellons Mon., Cardiff > >WEBB - Ringwood & East Dean Hants., Charlton/Downton & Salisbury Wilts., Cardiff > >GOODREDGE / GOODRIDGE - Charlton/Downton & Salisbury Wilts., WITCOMB / WHITCOMBE - Frome Somerset, Poole Dorset, Salisbury Wilts > >GILLINGHAM / HAYTER - Pentridge & Great Canford Dorset > >DANIELS - West Bromwich & Smethwick Staffs., Cardiff > >CUNNINGHAM - Oldham Lancs., West Bromwich & Smethwick Staffs. > >BARRY - Ireland, Cardiff > >BURCHELL - Ireland, Cardiff > >MURPHY - Ireland, Cardiff > > > >==== WESSEX-PLUS Mailing List ==== >To Order Birth, Marriage or Death Certificates: >http://www.statistics.gov.uk/nsbase/registration/certificates.asp >http://www.statistics.gov.uk/nsbase/registration/certe_w/fees.asp 50.33.50N 02.26.70W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Sorry, forgot to enter my email address for anyone wanting to request a Combe St Nicholas lookup off list. It is: [email protected]

Does anyone know why many parish registers and transcriptions are only available to 1812? On numerous occasions I have found that PRs are available beyond 1812 but are not included in some transcriptions and that on other occasions the PRs only seem to go up to 1812. Why 1812? Pat Robb Researching: CORNELIUS - Chard & Combe St Nicholas Somerset, Southampton and Cardiff TUCKER - Chardstock KEETCH / KEECH / KETCH - Chard & Combe St Nicholas Somerset TROTT - Chard & Combe St Nicholas Somerset COAT / COTE / COATES - Curry Rivel & Combe St Nicholas Somerset TRUMP - Combe St Nicholas Somerset WAKEFIELD - The Ampneys & Chedworth Glos., Cardiff PINCHEN / PINCHIN - Salperton &Coln Rogers Glos THOMAS - St Mellons Mon., Cardiff LEWIS - St Mellons Mon., Cardiff WEBB - Ringwood & East Dean Hants., Charlton/Downton & Salisbury Wilts., Cardiff GOODREDGE / GOODRIDGE - Charlton/Downton & Salisbury Wilts., WITCOMB / WHITCOMBE - Frome Somerset, Poole Dorset, Salisbury Wilts GILLINGHAM / HAYTER - Pentridge & Great Canford Dorset DANIELS - West Bromwich & Smethwick Staffs., Cardiff CUNNINGHAM - Oldham Lancs., West Bromwich & Smethwick Staffs. BARRY - Ireland, Cardiff BURCHELL - Ireland, Cardiff MURPHY - Ireland, Cardiff

Is there some kind soul who has easy access to the Taunton RO who is willing to look up an actual PR for me? I have looked at the film for the Parish Church of Chard at my local LDS centre but the entries I am interested in are very feint and difficult to read. I need someone with access to the original PRs to check them for me. They are all Baptisms and I have guessed the following names although the dates were a bit easier: Date Child's Name Father Mother Surname 29/6/1797 Henry? William Ann Keetch 22/5/1796 Sarah Robert Betty Keetch 16/4/1797 Will Robert Betty Keetch 25/12/1797 Betty Saml?James? Sarah Kitch 10/12/1797 Sarah Saml? James? Sarah Kitch Any help will be greatly appreciated. I also have the microfiche for the parish Church of Combe St Nicholas, Somerset. Although I do not have a reader and use the one at the library, I am willing to do lookups for anyone who would like to contact me off list.Please enter the word LOOKUP in the subject line of your email

Hi listers The second Bath Family History Fair takes place on Sunday 23 February 2003 at Bath Pavilion, North Parade Road, Bath BA2 4ET. The doors open at 10am and the event finishes at 4pm. Admission is £2, with accompanied children free. For further details and a map of the events location, please see :- http://members.aol.com/aquarterma/datesandlocations.htm I'm pleased to say that Oxfordshire FHS will have a stall at this event. The team for the day will be Hugh Kearsey, Jean Kearsey and Neil Bradshaw, and they will be armed with :- 1. supplies of CDs and microfiche for sale. 2. the society's bookstall, comprising our extensive range of Oxfordshire books for sale. 3. the society's computerised "Search Services", meaning that immediate look-ups can be done on our extensive range of indexes. For further details of some of what we'll have on our stall, please see :- http://www.ofhs.org.uk/mfiche.html http://www.ofhs.org.uk/CDsales.html http://www.ofhs.org.uk/books.html http://www.ofhs.org.uk/searches.html Do please visit the Oxfordshire FHS stall and say hello ! Paul Gaskell Publicity Officer and Minutes Secretary Oxfordshire Family History Society E-mail : [email protected] Website : www.ofhs.org.uk

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Anyone researching FRAMPTON please get in touch. I am specifically looking for a John FRAMPTON who moved to Hannington, Wilts around 1780. David

Hi Colin > Just thought I would wish anyone attending the up-coming FHF a happy and profitable visit. For those who aren't clear what Colin's talking about, the second Bath Family History Fair takes place on Sunday 23 February 2003 at Bath Pavilion, North Parade Road, Bath BA2 4ET. The doors open at 10am and the event finishes at 4pm. Admission is £2, with accompanied children free. For further details and a map of the events location, please see :- http://members.aol.com/aquarterma/datesandlocations.htm I'm pleased to say that Oxfordshire FHS will have a stall at this event. The team for the day will be Hugh Kearsey, Jean Kearsey and Neil Bradshaw, and they will be armed with :- 1. supplies of CDs and microfiche for sale. 2. the society's bookstall, comprising our extensive range of Oxfordshire books for sale. 3. the society's computerised "Search Services", meaning that immediate look-ups can be done on our extensive range of indexes. For further details of some of what we'll have on our stall, please see :- http://www.ofhs.org.uk/mfiche.html http://www.ofhs.org.uk/CDsales.html http://www.ofhs.org.uk/books.html http://www.ofhs.org.uk/searches.html Do please visit the Oxfordshire FHS stall and say hello ! Paul Gaskell Publicity Officer and Minutes Secretary Oxfordshire Family History Society E-mail : [email protected] Website : www.ofhs.org.uk

The two families I am currently stuck on are: HILL - I have Edmund and wife Mary Ann - both born c 1804 and from South Cerney (and surrounding villages) PAYNE - George and wife Ann - both from Challow/Wantage in the late C19 If anyone has any info on these I would be more than delighted! Philip Wills

I am new to this list. I have been working primarily on my paternal side which has encompassed Yorks (initially from Church/Castle Gresley Derby) and Stuarts (from Aberdeen Scotland). I have a collection of research done by my grandfather's cousin. Unfortunately, I do not have complete information, dates, etc. The families I am researching include: Greenslade - James Maine and Alice Maud Mary Lewis, children: Oliver Mervyn (my grandfather), Violet, Greenslade, Nell Greenslade, Ivy Nora Greenslade Lewis - John and Eliza Ann Painter Florence Hetty, Laura Augustus, Francis G, Alice Maud Mary, Mable Annie, Winnifred Dora, Clement William, Sarah Elizabeth, Dealie Diana Lucinda, Mervyn Henry, Edith Louisa, Mildred May Greenslade - William Benjamin and Mary Ann Walker children: James Main, Lionel William, Ive(Charles), Edward, Dolly, Oliver Walker - family of Mary Ann Walker, wife of William Benjamin Greenslade, Greenslade - family of Lionel Greenslade including his son John Greenslade - family of John including his son Martin Lewis - Francis G and Mabel Florence Lewis dau - Mary Harvey - William Edwin Harvey and Laura Augustus Lewis children - Florence Laura; Herbert William John Heath - Worthy and Florence Hetty children - John Jack, Donald, Victor, Alan, Daisy Walker - John and Sarah Freeman children - only know of John Walker (above) but IGI lists children of John Walker and Sarah Freeman to include: Sarah, Martha, and twins Monnele and Manuele. I am also looking for the family of William Meredyth and Louise Hinton. I am not sure yet where exactly they came from, but thought I would include them here. My information indicates that they had 4 children - Fred, Frank, Clara and Mary Louise. Mary Louise came to Canada in the early 1900s. I hope that someone may also be researching this family. Unfortunately, I do not have family to talk to as Gr Aunt Ivy Nora, the last of that family, passed away recently. Thank you!!! Norah Thornton (nee York) Searching for: England: York,Ellett, Meredyth, Burford, Greenslade, Lewis, Walker, Harvey, Heath, Freeman Hinton Scotland: Stuart, Cattanach, Troup, Brown, McLean, Location unknown: Robson, Stephenson Sunny Victoria, Canada

Anyone with an interest in the name of STRANGE might like to visit my web site where they will find (amongst other topics) a one name study. In addition to transcriptions from national and international records there is a considerable amount of county-based event information; Berkshire and Oxfordshire are particularly well covered. If you would like to share your family knowledge or queries with like- minded folk then you may care to sign up to my mail list at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STRANGE_thename Regards Mike STRANGE www.yourtotalevent.com

Is there anyone descendant from Charles Cartwright HAWKINS. Be interested in making contact. Leonie Australia

Hi all. Just thought I would wish anyone attending the up-coming FHF a happy and profitable visit. Sadly, it being on a Sunday preculdes some of us from attending. I shall be hard at work along the road from the Pavilion, in my capacity as Director of Music at St. Mary's, Bathwick, so if anyone fancies a bit of spiritual uplift before the Fair, we'd be delighted to see you at the 10.30 Sung Eucharist! Good wishes to all. Colin Hunt.

Hello, I'm having trouble with the parents of my Rose PRING. Her obituary says that she was from an old Taunton family, but the census data gives her father as being born in Chippenham, Wiltshire and her mother from Broadclyst, Devon. Does anyone have access to the baptism records for Chippenham, Wiltshire? I'm looking for a baptism of a Charles or James D. PRING/RING somewhere between about 1853 and 1856. Below are the census entries for 1881 and 1901. They are the only entries that appear for the name Lily PRING/RING, but the parents names are different in both cases. Any light that can be shed on the identity of Rose's parents will be greatfully received. 1881 Census Dwelling: Castle Green Census Place: Bishops Hull, Somerset, England Source: FHL Film 1341570 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2369 Folio 5 Page 6 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Charles RING M 28 M Chippenham, Wiltshire, England Rel: Head Occ: Farrier Frances RING M 26 F Broad Clist, Devon, England Rel: Wife Robert RING 2 M Taunton, Somerset, England Rel: Son Lily RING 2 m F Taunton, Somerset, England Rel: Daur Charles BOUNE 18 M Ilminster, Somerset, England Rel: Lodger Occ: Brewer 1901 Census Schedule Number 113, 12 Greenbrook Terr??, Taunton St James Without James D. RING/PRING Head Mar 45 Farrier Wilts Chippenham Sarah RING/PRING Wife Mar 46 Devon Broadclyst Lily RING/PRING Dau S 21 Shirt Fitter Som Taunton Rose RING/PRING Dau S 19 ? Som Taunton James RING/PRING Son S 18 Horse? Drover?? Som Taunton William RING/PRING Son S 15 Errand Boy Som Taunton Beatrice RING/PRING Dau S 13 Som Taunton Charles RING/PRING Son S 06 Som Taunton Yours Sarah Hawkins http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sarahhawkins/index.htm Researching: (all places in Somerset unless stated otherwise) MALE - Fivehead/Barrington/Curry Rivel etc BUDGE/BURGE(BRIDGE)/EDMONDS/EDMUNDS - Fivehead/Lambrook PAYNE/SPARKS - Fivehead RICHARDS - Pitney/Curry Rivel PERRIM/PERIAM - Pitney/High Ham CLARK/COX - Pitney OATEN/TALBOT/BULL - Taunton HAWKINS - Creech/West Monkton/Taunton/Pontypridd,Wales PRING - Taunton? ABBOT - Taunton St James/West Monkton PARSONS - Carhampton/West Monkton PARKER/SLOCOMBE/WILTSHIRE/CHEEK/TUTE/LOCKIER/EVANS - North Petherton RUCKLEY/ROOKLEY/TUCKER - North Petherton/Kentisbeare,Devon FOURACRE - Kittisford nr Wellington/Taunton HENDY/OSTLER/DUCK/DEAMONT/DEAN etc - Barrington

To Paul Joy and Ian, Many thanks for your reply to my query about Marriages by license. Very much appreciated Thanks again Andy Bleary eyed in Penton Hants

Hi listers I mentioned last week that the Oxfordshire FHS range of Monumental Inscription CDs for sale was about to be doubled ! Well it has, from one to two !!! Please see :- http://www.ofhs.org.uk/CDsales.html These CDs are created by Alan Simpson and contain photographs of the church and each MI as well as transcriptions of each MI. Navigation is by means of a clickable plan view of the churchyard. The two parishes now available are :- Horspath MIs Eynsham MIs These CDs are in HTML format, not PDF. They require a web browser (such as Internet Explorer) to be installed on your computer. They do NOT require that you have an internet connection. Very best wishes. Paul Gaskell Publicity Officer and Minutes Secretary Oxfordshire Family History Society E-mail : [email protected] Website : www.ofhs.org.uk

Dear all, Spotted this in today's FT - thought it might be of interest: "The credibility of the 2001 census has been questioned after independent research [by MORI] suggested the population of the London borough of Westminster was higher than the census figure..." Mike

Could some kind person answer me 'of air', I cannot remember how to send a gedcom of one branch of the family plus their descendants, did it years ago and I know it was simple but cannot find out how now. Toni.

Andy Agree with Ian Using a license also made it easier if you didn't live in the area eg if both parties were working away from the area. As you are probably aware it is traditional for a marriage to take place in the bride's church or chapel. According to the Church Census, completed in 1851, over 40% of the church going population attended non-conformist churches, so if people come up against brick walls they should always explore the possibility that their relatives might've been non-conformists. I fully agree with Ian that non-conformist registers can be difficult to access - I have 2 lots of great grand parents who married in non-conformist churches: I can find no trace of one set of registers and I have to contact the church to gain access to the other ;-) Regards Paul On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 04:38:21 EST, [email protected] wrote: >Hi Andy & List, > >Marriages by license were a lot quicker than having to wait for banns to be >read on three Sundays before the wedding. >I have an ancestor who married the same day that he signed the license. >Licenses could be used to get around the problem of opposisition to the >union, you could marry before anyone found out about it. >You could also try looking for a christening about six months after the >wedding, that is another reason to get married before anything shows. > >People married in chapels because they were non-conformists, they were >baptists, methodists etc. and didn't follow the Church of England. > >There are quite a few marriage licenses around, non-conformist registers can >be more difficult to access. > >Regards, Ian in sunny France >>Hi All, >>Could somebody please explain the difference between being married by Banns and a License. Also why would somebody get married in an Independent chapel and not their local Church. Could it possibly be that one was from out of the Parish? >>My Great grandparents were married in one such chapel. No child was born within 2yrs, so that was not the reason. One G.P. was from outside the parish so could this be why? >> >>Best wishes >> >>Andy >>Penton Mewsey, Hants. 50.33.50N 02.26.70W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

I have a HALE in my family. William Hale of Staffordshire, from the mid 1800s. I don't really know much more than that. He was the first husband of my grandmother Sara Jane Atkins Hale. Alice ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 8:37 PM Subject: WESSEX-PLUS-D Digest V03 #39