This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/SCWBAIB/4383.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I suppose it could be a long shot, but Bronk/Brunk has never shown up anyplace. I also never heard of Sally and Elsa or Elsie being interchangable. Joachim and some spelling of Woodard/Woodward do fit. I sent you our pre 1900 family listing in conjunction with the DNA study. We believe our "Elsie/Elsa" later may have married Benjamin Bates. Benjamin was living in Macomb Co. Michigan as early as 1860 with George, his wife, Francis and Juliet. We believe the older sister, Elizabeth, was also in Michigan living in Jackson Co. married to Henry Melosh. We don't find Elsa/Elsie in Michigan until the 1870 Census.