I believe eventually the DNA testing will become so refined that we can use it-males and females-to search our own genealogy. Meanwhile, it I think we would all be contributing to knowledge if we submit our DNA samples. I have already asked for my kit. Mary Beth

"The easy answer is you can't. But get tested by Sorenson anyway. At the appropriate time we will be able to find you in their results (I hope). I just sent off a message to Dr. Woodward to see if they can tell me where they are in the ability to test non-male Wells. I have seen no information for a long time, so I am not hopeful we are very close. If you get your mtDNA tested, you might learn something interesting from it, but it won't help us nail your Wells line." Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa............so what could I find interesting in getting tested............???????? Shari

Orin, I want to get tested, so how can we make sure we can get the results to you. I am female and my Great Grandmother was a Wells. I have the four generations...actually five. Sharon Terca VanDeCar

The mtDNA is passed on through the maternal lines much like the y-chromosome in males. BUT, it hardly ever changes so your mtDNA will be pretty much the same as your ancestor 70,000 years ago. So you can find out which of the "daughters of Eve" you are descended from. It won't help the genealogy unless you are able to identify someone else descended from the same maternal ancestor and it can help confirm the relationship. I really have not tried to track the folks who are using this for genealogical purposes. At 02:06 PM 1/6/2006, GenealogyJones@aol.com wrote: >"The easy answer is you can't. But get tested by Sorenson anyway. At >the appropriate time we will be able to find you in their results (I >hope). I just sent off a message to Dr. Woodward to see if they can >tell me where they are in the ability to test non-male Wells. I have >seen no information for a long time, so I am not hopeful we are very close. > >If you get your mtDNA tested, you might learn something interesting >from it, but it won't help us nail your Wells line." > >Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa............so what could I find interesting >in getting tested............???????? > >Shari > > >==== WELLS Mailing List ==== >To search Archives of list go to: >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >and enter list name Orin R. Wells Wells Family Research Association P. O. Box 5427 Kent, Washington 98064-5427 <OrinWells@wells.org> http://www.wells.org Subscribe to the "Wells-L" list on RootsWeb

I would like to encourage your family as well as all other families, Wells or not, to participate in the Sorenson testing. It does not cost you and you don't get the results but you may be contributing to finding the keys to using DNA for more extensive matching. They need a lot of related individuals to be able to spot the DNA that is dominent when passed on generation to generation (like the red hair, brown eyes etc.) If they can identify stable indicators and tie it into specific lines they may be able to use this for the testing for genealogy. The more we give them, the closer we get to our goals. Even if they don't want to send their DNA to Relative Genetics, we may be able to find the Wells males anyway since we know their DNA. And I now know a way to find other samples. But I am not letting it out because I am not sure they intended for their system to work this way and could shut the door if they find out about it. At 10:00 AM 1/6/2006, Patricia Straube wrote: >This is an opportunity for mtDNA testing for the female part of the >ancestral COUPLE if direct descendants in the female line are known. As the >database keeper for the Aaron Wells and Ruth Wiggins Family Association, I >was able to use my genealogy program (Brothers Keeper) to do a descendant >report in the female line only. I was able to identify many living >descendants, both male and female, fortunately one of whom is known to me >personally. January is the month for the the winter edition of our family >newsletter so I hope to enlist the help of our male Wells descendants who >participated in the initial study to help our Wells cousins who don't carry >the Y chromosome (Family 020) but who still carry the inheritance from our >foremother, Ruth Wiggins. > >This may also help to eventually help identify Ruth's mother. We haven't >definitively proven it yet, but lots of circumstantial evidence indicates >that she was Elizabeth Ashcraft, daughter of Daniel and Elizabeth Ashcraft. >Daniel was killed by Indians at Conococheague Manor Town Creek on 9 Oct >1755 in Maryland > >1. Ruth Wiggins' father was William Wiggins who sold his land in Maryland >with dower rights to his wife Elizabeth before moving to Mason Co., KY. Deed >records show that William Wiggins' land adjoined that of Daniel Ashcraft. > >2. Daniel Ashcraft had a daughter, Elizabeth, of the right age who is >otherwise unaccounted for. > >3. Aaron Wells and Ruth Wiggins named their eldest daughter, Elizabeth >Ashcraft Wells. IF they followed traditional naming customs, this would be >the wife's mother's name. According to the custom, their second son would be >named after the wife's father and indeed this was the case, his name was >William Wiggins Wells. [If this custom was also followed for Aaron, the >evidence indicates that his parents were named Nathan Wells and Rachel >Evans, but this is purely conjecture at this point, since particular >individuals with these names have yet to be identified.] > >4. Aaron and Ruth's twin sons were named Daniel and Uriah, names that were >used extensively in the Ashcraft family. [Twinning was also one of the >inherited traits that many of the descendants of our Wells' family >exhibited, including my own ancestor, their daughter, Ruth (Wells) Callon.] > >Alas, I myself am not one of those in a direct female line from Ruth though >someday I hope to find the mtDNA signature of my own earliest known American >female ancester, Eve Seidelmann, wife of Andreas Gaar of the 1717 Germanna >Colony in Virginia. > >Patricia > >----- Original Message ----- From: "OrinWells" <orinwells@wells.org> >To: <WELLS-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 1:35 PM >Subject: [WELLS-L] DNA - Time for everyone to get tested > > >>I would like to suggest to everyone, whether you are a Wells male or not, >>to get your DNA tested in the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation DNA >>research project. You will be contributing to the science of DNA testing, >>helping their project and possibly helping others who are looking for long >>lost cousins when they are able to connect to your DNA haplotype. >> >>This is open to both men and women. BUT, the hitch is you don't get the >>results of your DNA back from Sorenson. The Molecular Genealogy Project >>is the program through with we originally tested our phase I participants >>for the Wells DNA project. Most of them are now in the on-line database >>where you can search for matching DNA haplotypes (patterns) for >>y-chromosome. If you have your pattern, you can run a search. It takes >>them about 6 months from the time they get your sample to get you into the >>database. And I don't think they have the mtDNA data on-line yet. >> >>This brings us to the other part. Sorenson, for a limited time only, is >>offering a coupon to all participants (past and present) that is good for >>a $95 26 marker y-chromosome OR mtDNA test at Relative Genetics. I have >>talked Relative Genetics into allowing our project members to use the >>coupon $95 plus $40 to get the 43 marker test at $135 - a clear bargain!! >>43 marker? Yes, they have decided that since Family Tree DNA keeps >>claiming that their test is a 37 marker test although it is actually less >>because some of the values are double values on the same markers, that >>Realtive Genetics might as well advertise that theirs is a 43 marker test. >>It is actually 37 markers that returns 43 alleles (values). In the >>reality since DYS464 is now revealing up to 6 values I guess you could >>call it a 45 marker test. >> >>Here is how it works. You sign up at Sorenson. They send you a kit. You >>send back the kit, a consent form and your genealogy. You MUST be able >>to provide AT LEAST 4 generations including yourself. They want more if >>you can provide it. This is not too hard for the first couple of >>generations - you, your parents and your 4 grandparents. I know there are >>some who can not identify their parents let alone grandparents, but this >>is a small group. If you are not able to document the full four >>generations, all is not lost. Read on. >> >>When you send back the kit they will send you a coupon for the Relative >>Genetics $95 27 marker test. You can either use this yourself or pass it >>on to someone else. That means we can use the coupons for those who can >>not make the 4 generation or more genealogy. But you can also use it to >>test a Wells cousin or any other surname cousins if you don't want to or >>can't use it yourself. >> >>What I would like to ask of you is that you let me know if and when you >>participate at Sorenson, get the coupon and how you use it. I want to >>make them aware of how many we send to them. If you don't want to use it, >>please send it to me and I will find someone who can use it. Everyone who >>has ever previously participated in the Molecular Genealogy Project can >>simply go to the website and request a coupon. A few or our participants >>are not in the data base yet and a few more are not there because either >>the BYU group was not able to get two samples (one for our project and one >>for the MGP project), didn't collect a second consent form or lost your >>genealogy. I will be notifying you all and asking you to submit a new >>sample so we can get you into the Sorenson database. >> >>This also serves as a shortcut for those who can't justify the 37/43 >>marker test cost at Relative Genetics. With the 26 marker test we can >>find your test results in the Sorenson database and extract the remaining >>markers - they do not test DYS464 (6 values) but that is only a minor >>problem. >> >>Now, if you are a Wells but someone from your family has already been >>tested so you have been reluctant to get your own DNA tested, do it NOW! >>We can then confirm that you match your cousins at no cost to you and we >>can collect more information on the mutations in various families. If you >>are not a Wells (some other surname but are here because you have Wells >>ancestors) participate yourself and encourage your Wells cousins to >>participate. >> >>Here are the instructions on how to do this: >> >>Go to the following website and follow the instructions as I show them. >> >>http://www.smgf.org >> >>Click on "Participate" at the bottom of the screen >> >>Click on "Request a Free Kit" at the bottom of the next screen >> >>Click the link to read the consent form then return to the request page. >> >>Fill in the requested information on the request form and click on >>"Request Kit" >> >>They will send you the kit and ask for your Gedcom file or paper >>genealogy. The Gedcom/genealogy should be a full 4 generations or more. >>They are also interested in anyone who has ancestry documented in the >>1800s even if there is a flawed branch or two. >> >> >> >> >>Orin R. Wells >>Wells Family Research Association >>P. O. Box 5427 >>Kent, Washington 98064-5427 >><OrinWells@wells.org> >>http://www.wells.org >>Subscribe to the "Wells-L" list on RootsWeb >> >>==== WELLS Mailing List ==== >>To search Archives of list go to: >>http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >>and enter list name >> > > > >==== WELLS Mailing List ==== >To contact Listowner, >Send email to: >dwells@zekes.com > Orin R. Wells Wells Family Research Association P. O. Box 5427 Kent, Washington 98064-5427 <OrinWells@wells.org> http://www.wells.org Subscribe to the "Wells-L" list on RootsWeb

Liz, Although getting tested at Sorenson won't help - you don't even get the results - it can contribute to the overall science of testing the DNA. I would like to see as many participants from the various families as possible. It may be that in this way we will get them enough DNA material on related individuals to help them perfect the methodology for testing the allied branches. It won't cost you anything to do it. At 01:14 PM 1/6/2006, Liz Engle wrote: >Orin, if I thought my getting tested would result in finding out to what >Wells group I belong, I certainly would do it. But I gather from what I read >that it won't tell me what I want to know. My gr. gr. grandmother was a >Wells five generations back. See: > >1. Me, [I] >2. mother Helen Taylor Child, >3. grandfather David Trumbull Child, >4. great grandmother Rachel Lockwood Trumbull, >5. gr. gr. grandmother Harriet Townsend Wells. > >So, how should I proceed (if at all)? > >Elizabeth Goodfellow Engle >Edmonds, WA >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.14/222 - Release Date: 1/5/2006 > > >==== WELLS Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from this list >send the command "unsubscribe" >to WELLS-L-request@rootsweb.com for list mode >or WELLS-D-request@rootsweb.com for digest mode Orin R. Wells Wells Family Research Association P. O. Box 5427 Kent, Washington 98064-5427 <OrinWells@wells.org> http://www.wells.org Subscribe to the "Wells-L" list on RootsWeb

The easy answer is you can't. But get tested by Sorenson anyway. At the appropriate time we will be able to find you in their results (I hope). I just sent off a message to Dr. Woodward to see if they can tell me where they are in the ability to test non-male Wells. I have seen no information for a long time, so I am not hopeful we are very close. If you get your mtDNA tested, you might learn something interesting from it, but it won't help us nail your Wells line. At 12:56 PM 1/6/2006, GenealogyJones@aol.com wrote: >Orin, I want to get tested, so how can we make sure we can get the results >to you. I am female and my Great Grandmother was a Wells. I have the four >generations...actually five. > >Sharon Terca VanDeCar > > >==== WELLS Mailing List ==== >To contact Listowner, >Send email to: >dwells@zekes.com Orin R. Wells Wells Family Research Association P. O. Box 5427 Kent, Washington 98064-5427 <OrinWells@wells.org> http://www.wells.org Subscribe to the "Wells-L" list on RootsWeb

Orin, if I thought my getting tested would result in finding out to what Wells group I belong, I certainly would do it. But I gather from what I read that it won't tell me what I want to know. My gr. gr. grandmother was a Wells five generations back. See: 1. Me, [I] 2. mother Helen Taylor Child, 3. grandfather David Trumbull Child, 4. great grandmother Rachel Lockwood Trumbull, 5. gr. gr. grandmother Harriet Townsend Wells. So, how should I proceed (if at all)? Elizabeth Goodfellow Engle Edmonds, WA -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.14/222 - Release Date: 1/5/2006

This is an opportunity for mtDNA testing for the female part of the ancestral COUPLE if direct descendants in the female line are known. As the database keeper for the Aaron Wells and Ruth Wiggins Family Association, I was able to use my genealogy program (Brothers Keeper) to do a descendant report in the female line only. I was able to identify many living descendants, both male and female, fortunately one of whom is known to me personally. January is the month for the the winter edition of our family newsletter so I hope to enlist the help of our male Wells descendants who participated in the initial study to help our Wells cousins who don't carry the Y chromosome (Family 020) but who still carry the inheritance from our foremother, Ruth Wiggins. This may also help to eventually help identify Ruth's mother. We haven't definitively proven it yet, but lots of circumstantial evidence indicates that she was Elizabeth Ashcraft, daughter of Daniel and Elizabeth Ashcraft. Daniel was killed by Indians at Conococheague Manor Town Creek on 9 Oct 1755 in Maryland 1. Ruth Wiggins' father was William Wiggins who sold his land in Maryland with dower rights to his wife Elizabeth before moving to Mason Co., KY. Deed records show that William Wiggins' land adjoined that of Daniel Ashcraft. 2. Daniel Ashcraft had a daughter, Elizabeth, of the right age who is otherwise unaccounted for. 3. Aaron Wells and Ruth Wiggins named their eldest daughter, Elizabeth Ashcraft Wells. IF they followed traditional naming customs, this would be the wife's mother's name. According to the custom, their second son would be named after the wife's father and indeed this was the case, his name was William Wiggins Wells. [If this custom was also followed for Aaron, the evidence indicates that his parents were named Nathan Wells and Rachel Evans, but this is purely conjecture at this point, since particular individuals with these names have yet to be identified.] 4. Aaron and Ruth's twin sons were named Daniel and Uriah, names that were used extensively in the Ashcraft family. [Twinning was also one of the inherited traits that many of the descendants of our Wells' family exhibited, including my own ancestor, their daughter, Ruth (Wells) Callon.] Alas, I myself am not one of those in a direct female line from Ruth though someday I hope to find the mtDNA signature of my own earliest known American female ancester, Eve Seidelmann, wife of Andreas Gaar of the 1717 Germanna Colony in Virginia. Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: "OrinWells" <orinwells@wells.org> To: <WELLS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 1:35 PM Subject: [WELLS-L] DNA - Time for everyone to get tested >I would like to suggest to everyone, whether you are a Wells male or not, >to get your DNA tested in the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation DNA >research project. You will be contributing to the science of DNA testing, >helping their project and possibly helping others who are looking for long >lost cousins when they are able to connect to your DNA haplotype. > > This is open to both men and women. BUT, the hitch is you don't get the > results of your DNA back from Sorenson. The Molecular Genealogy Project > is the program through with we originally tested our phase I participants > for the Wells DNA project. Most of them are now in the on-line database > where you can search for matching DNA haplotypes (patterns) for > y-chromosome. If you have your pattern, you can run a search. It takes > them about 6 months from the time they get your sample to get you into the > database. And I don't think they have the mtDNA data on-line yet. > > This brings us to the other part. Sorenson, for a limited time only, is > offering a coupon to all participants (past and present) that is good for > a $95 26 marker y-chromosome OR mtDNA test at Relative Genetics. I have > talked Relative Genetics into allowing our project members to use the > coupon $95 plus $40 to get the 43 marker test at $135 - a clear bargain!! > 43 marker? Yes, they have decided that since Family Tree DNA keeps > claiming that their test is a 37 marker test although it is actually less > because some of the values are double values on the same markers, that > Realtive Genetics might as well advertise that theirs is a 43 marker test. > It is actually 37 markers that returns 43 alleles (values). In the > reality since DYS464 is now revealing up to 6 values I guess you could > call it a 45 marker test. > > Here is how it works. You sign up at Sorenson. They send you a kit. You > send back the kit, a consent form and your genealogy. You MUST be able > to provide AT LEAST 4 generations including yourself. They want more if > you can provide it. This is not too hard for the first couple of > generations - you, your parents and your 4 grandparents. I know there are > some who can not identify their parents let alone grandparents, but this > is a small group. If you are not able to document the full four > generations, all is not lost. Read on. > > When you send back the kit they will send you a coupon for the Relative > Genetics $95 27 marker test. You can either use this yourself or pass it > on to someone else. That means we can use the coupons for those who can > not make the 4 generation or more genealogy. But you can also use it to > test a Wells cousin or any other surname cousins if you don't want to or > can't use it yourself. > > What I would like to ask of you is that you let me know if and when you > participate at Sorenson, get the coupon and how you use it. I want to > make them aware of how many we send to them. If you don't want to use it, > please send it to me and I will find someone who can use it. Everyone who > has ever previously participated in the Molecular Genealogy Project can > simply go to the website and request a coupon. A few or our participants > are not in the data base yet and a few more are not there because either > the BYU group was not able to get two samples (one for our project and one > for the MGP project), didn't collect a second consent form or lost your > genealogy. I will be notifying you all and asking you to submit a new > sample so we can get you into the Sorenson database. > > This also serves as a shortcut for those who can't justify the 37/43 > marker test cost at Relative Genetics. With the 26 marker test we can > find your test results in the Sorenson database and extract the remaining > markers - they do not test DYS464 (6 values) but that is only a minor > problem. > > Now, if you are a Wells but someone from your family has already been > tested so you have been reluctant to get your own DNA tested, do it NOW! > We can then confirm that you match your cousins at no cost to you and we > can collect more information on the mutations in various families. If you > are not a Wells (some other surname but are here because you have Wells > ancestors) participate yourself and encourage your Wells cousins to > participate. > > Here are the instructions on how to do this: > > Go to the following website and follow the instructions as I show them. > > http://www.smgf.org > > Click on "Participate" at the bottom of the screen > > Click on "Request a Free Kit" at the bottom of the next screen > > Click the link to read the consent form then return to the request page. > > Fill in the requested information on the request form and click on > "Request Kit" > > They will send you the kit and ask for your Gedcom file or paper > genealogy. The Gedcom/genealogy should be a full 4 generations or more. > They are also interested in anyone who has ancestry documented in the > 1800s even if there is a flawed branch or two. > > > > > Orin R. Wells > Wells Family Research Association > P. O. Box 5427 > Kent, Washington 98064-5427 > <OrinWells@wells.org> > http://www.wells.org > Subscribe to the "Wells-L" list on RootsWeb > > ==== WELLS Mailing List ==== > To search Archives of list go to: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > and enter list name > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Wells; Yount; Bass Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/SCWBAIB/4400 Message Board Post: My 2-great grand aunt Harriet Elizabeth Bass (1845-1921) married Thomas H. Wells in Missouri 1862-1863. Thomas was the son of Jacob Wells & Charity Yount. Thomas & Harriet had three sons, two of whom died fairly young. The third son is listed on the 1880 census of Collin Co, TX simply W. E. Wells born in Missouri and age 13. With only the initials to go on, I've had no luck figuring out if he survived, married or had children. Is there anyone out there possibly working on this part of the Wells family also that might know a full name. I suspect it is William, because that is a popular name on both sides of the family...but no luck pinning it down. The rest of the family is buried in New Hope Cemetery in Fannin Co, TX. He is not there. Their migration was 1860 - Douglas & Dallas MO; 1870 - unknown; 1880 - Collin Co TX; 1900 & 1910 - Fannin County, TX and 1920 Grayson Co, TX. The two brothers who died young were: Auther E. Wells b. Dec 6, 1881 d. July 24, 1889 Clarence L. Wells b. Aug 30, 1879 and d. July 15, 1900. Here's hoping there is an genie miracle. Thanks April Bass

Check out this URL to receive the $95 coupon for testing at Relative Genetics Orin was talking about. You will get the coupon if you provide a DNA sample to the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy for free testing ...or you have participated in the testing in the past. Again, Orin has made arrangement for the 37/43 marker test through Relative Genetics for $135 and the coupon. I believe this is about a $70 reduction. http://smgf.org/coupon_request.html Bonita \\\|/// \\ ~ ~ // ( @ @ ) ----oOOo-(_)-oOOo---- Just Lurking ... Lady Bonita Arizona, USA

Well that is encouraging........the fact that no one has done the DNA yet on this line. That means there is still a chance that my husband's Wells weren't hatched but really came from other humans ;-). Seriously, in all that research, you don't see any Johns from that line that might have actually gone to South Carolina in the early 1800s do you? Thanks, kathy Wells. ----- Original Message ----- From: <BaileyWells@att.net> To: <WELLS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 11:56 PM Subject: [WELLS-L] Re: Wells family Maryland 1679-1836 > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/SCWBAIB/4399.1.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Orin, > The book refered to is "Across the Years in Prince George's County" by > Effie Gwynn Bowie, published in 1947, reprinted in 1975. > Pages 470-473 concern the Daniel Wells I, II, and III families in Ann > Arundel Co. MD. > I have extensive research on them from the MD. Archives, but lost them > after the 1920-30 Coffeyville, Montgomery Co. KS. census, and have not > been able to locate a descendant for a DNA test. > Bailey > > > ==== WELLS Mailing List ==== > Don't Forget > The Wells Family Research Association > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wellsfam/wfrahome.html > >

Jason Notify me when you have unblocked your e-mail account and we can communicate off-line from the group. Dick

With regard to the original communication -- chimpanzees are not monkeys. They are great apes. Margaret Wells ----- Original Message ----- From: OrinWells<mailto:orinwells@wells.org> To: WELLS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:WELLS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 9:45 PM Subject: [WELLS-L] Re: [Wells-UK] DNA Phase III Status At 03:35 PM 1/4/2006, D Wells wrote: >Orin > >Where are we in the standardization of the marker values. I know >that the values have changed through testing methodolgy changes and >different labs report different values. Also, that some of our >results have been added top the DNA databases such as Y Base. Have >our results been updated to reflect these changes on our database and others? I am in the process of updating the Wells site When I am finished it will have all the 37 marker values (actually 45 values because DYS464 can return 6 values and we have seen three cases of this). I will also be adding the Haplogroups and an explanation of what that means which I will probably also post on the various lists. This update will include many who tested in Phase I as the extended values sans DYS464 are now there although a few have no yet been posted. >Can we get a "Conversion Chart" added to our results page showing >which set of numbers we are using and the changes needed to compare >with another databases (lab's) data? I am going to have to look up the differences as they exist now. I am not sure if there are any different reporting values unless Family Tree DNA is still differing from Relative Genetics somewhere. Relative Genetics and Sorenson seem to now be in step with each other. When you search Sorenson you can select the values on our website by electing the Relative Genetics latest sets. I will let everyone know when this is ready. >What is the status of the Phase III portion of the project? I am afraid I don't really know. I have not talked to Dr. Woodward since I went to Salt Lake City two years ago I think. Time to quiz him again I guess. >Has any research shown the paternal link patterns/markers on another >portion of the DNA that can be used? Not to my knowledge. They are using some other markers for testing of the Haplogroups. That is the deep ancestry like 20,000+ years ago - won't help your genealogy much but it seems to interest a lot of people to know they have a pattern similar to the Vikings. They can use the Y-chromosome DNA results to predict the haplotypes but mutations can make it shift. >Similarly, has the MtDNA patterns been linked to the nuclear DNA? Not as far as I know. >It is inconceivable to me that more areas of the "junk" DNA have not >become usable for testing. The concept of paternal line and >maternal line only being passed down between generations defies >logic. There has to be DNA areas where females carry the paternal >as well a maternal heritage, regardless of MtDNA or Nuclear DNA is >tested. It does not matter what religious belief system you have, >they all believe in some type of guiding hand in our evolution or >creation. With that in mind, a one sided representation (paternal >or maternal line) of the genetic history makes no sense. Well, the y-chromosome is the exclusive realm of the males. Females do not carry it - ever. Similarly, the mtDNA is only passed on by the females even though males and females have it. The male simply does no pass it on except in very rare instances where something gets screwed up. These both differ from the Nuclear DNA (all the rest of the Chromosomes) because THEY are mixed each time a new child is formed. Roughly half of the DNA comes from the father and half from the Mother. This causes the various changes from generation and ends up diluting the ancestral DNA by 50% for each generation. If you go down just 4 generations you are down to roughly 6.25% of the DNA contributed by each of the gg-grandparents. So even if they can figure out how to make this work it is going to be a delicate process. We DO know that certain genes tend to be dominent, so this may, in the end, be the key to the Autosomal (Nuclear) DNA. But they are not there yet. >When the say that 97% of our genetic material is the same as a Chimp >(I believe this is the correct monkey), how are they comparing? I >know we have different number of Chromosones and more paired >sequences. Similar comparasions are made between humans and fruit >flies. All that tells me it a lot of the genetic material would be >in the "junk" DNA catagory and possibly carry our genetic blending and history. First off they are looking at 2.3 billion base pairs of DNA (I have seen some estimates of 3 billion). So when they are saying there is a 3% difference, we are talking about 69 million base pairs the are the exclusive domain of the Human. A bacterium only has 4 million (another reference says 600 thousand). So this 3% is far from a trivial matter. And I really don't know what they are comparing. There are a number of articles on the Internet dealing with this for those curious enough to want search it out. I suspect the articles are written by the geneticists for their peers which means they are not going to be easy for us lay people to plow though. I really do no know what is present in the "junk" DNA but I am sure the researchers do and they are doing what they can to find the tools for us to work with better. What they have to do is find markers that are stable enough to be passed from generation to generation without much change. Yet, it would be helpful to us to have a few that are less stable and would give us a better grip on how branches of families connect to each other. Unfortunately either this does not exist or they have not found them yet. >Enough of my rambling. > >Dick > > >==== WELLS-UK Mailing List ==== >Post your queries periodically as new subscribers come on all the time. > >============================== >New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. >Learn more: >http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 Orin R. Wells Wells Family Research Association P. O. Box 5427 Kent, Washington 98064-5427 <OrinWells@wells.org<mailto:OrinWells@wells.org>> http://www.wells.org<http://www.wells.org/> Subscribe to the "Wells-L" list on RootsWeb ==== WELLS Mailing List ==== Don't Forget The Wells Family Research Association http://www.rootsweb.com/~wellsfam/wfrahome.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/~wellsfam/wfrahome.html>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/SCWBAIB/4399.1.1 Message Board Post: Orin, The book refered to is "Across the Years in Prince George's County" by Effie Gwynn Bowie, published in 1947, reprinted in 1975. Pages 470-473 concern the Daniel Wells I, II, and III families in Ann Arundel Co. MD. I have extensive research on them from the MD. Archives, but lost them after the 1920-30 Coffeyville, Montgomery Co. KS. census, and have not been able to locate a descendant for a DNA test. Bailey

Tacoma, Washington News Tribune Obit, 3 Jan 2006. Arlo Wells - Arlo passed away peacefully on December 29, 2005 at Orchard Park Health Care Center where he had resided the past 2-1/2 years. A memorial service will be held Thursday, January 5, 2006 at 3 PM at Unity Church, 2908 Meridian East, in Edgewood, Washinton. In lieu of flowers remembrances may be made in Arlo's name to DAV Transportation Fund, c/o James Tonellato, PO Box 6845, Tacoma, WA 98407.

At 03:35 PM 1/4/2006, D Wells wrote: >Orin > >Where are we in the standardization of the marker values. I know >that the values have changed through testing methodolgy changes and >different labs report different values. Also, that some of our >results have been added top the DNA databases such as Y Base. Have >our results been updated to reflect these changes on our database and others? I am in the process of updating the Wells site When I am finished it will have all the 37 marker values (actually 45 values because DYS464 can return 6 values and we have seen three cases of this). I will also be adding the Haplogroups and an explanation of what that means which I will probably also post on the various lists. This update will include many who tested in Phase I as the extended values sans DYS464 are now there although a few have no yet been posted. >Can we get a "Conversion Chart" added to our results page showing >which set of numbers we are using and the changes needed to compare >with another databases (lab's) data? I am going to have to look up the differences as they exist now. I am not sure if there are any different reporting values unless Family Tree DNA is still differing from Relative Genetics somewhere. Relative Genetics and Sorenson seem to now be in step with each other. When you search Sorenson you can select the values on our website by electing the Relative Genetics latest sets. I will let everyone know when this is ready. >What is the status of the Phase III portion of the project? I am afraid I don't really know. I have not talked to Dr. Woodward since I went to Salt Lake City two years ago I think. Time to quiz him again I guess. >Has any research shown the paternal link patterns/markers on another >portion of the DNA that can be used? Not to my knowledge. They are using some other markers for testing of the Haplogroups. That is the deep ancestry like 20,000+ years ago - won't help your genealogy much but it seems to interest a lot of people to know they have a pattern similar to the Vikings. They can use the Y-chromosome DNA results to predict the haplotypes but mutations can make it shift. >Similarly, has the MtDNA patterns been linked to the nuclear DNA? Not as far as I know. >It is inconceivable to me that more areas of the "junk" DNA have not >become usable for testing. The concept of paternal line and >maternal line only being passed down between generations defies >logic. There has to be DNA areas where females carry the paternal >as well a maternal heritage, regardless of MtDNA or Nuclear DNA is >tested. It does not matter what religious belief system you have, >they all believe in some type of guiding hand in our evolution or >creation. With that in mind, a one sided representation (paternal >or maternal line) of the genetic history makes no sense. Well, the y-chromosome is the exclusive realm of the males. Females do not carry it - ever. Similarly, the mtDNA is only passed on by the females even though males and females have it. The male simply does no pass it on except in very rare instances where something gets screwed up. These both differ from the Nuclear DNA (all the rest of the Chromosomes) because THEY are mixed each time a new child is formed. Roughly half of the DNA comes from the father and half from the Mother. This causes the various changes from generation and ends up diluting the ancestral DNA by 50% for each generation. If you go down just 4 generations you are down to roughly 6.25% of the DNA contributed by each of the gg-grandparents. So even if they can figure out how to make this work it is going to be a delicate process. We DO know that certain genes tend to be dominent, so this may, in the end, be the key to the Autosomal (Nuclear) DNA. But they are not there yet. >When the say that 97% of our genetic material is the same as a Chimp >(I believe this is the correct monkey), how are they comparing? I >know we have different number of Chromosones and more paired >sequences. Similar comparasions are made between humans and fruit >flies. All that tells me it a lot of the genetic material would be >in the "junk" DNA catagory and possibly carry our genetic blending and history. First off they are looking at 2.3 billion base pairs of DNA (I have seen some estimates of 3 billion). So when they are saying there is a 3% difference, we are talking about 69 million base pairs the are the exclusive domain of the Human. A bacterium only has 4 million (another reference says 600 thousand). So this 3% is far from a trivial matter. And I really don't know what they are comparing. There are a number of articles on the Internet dealing with this for those curious enough to want search it out. I suspect the articles are written by the geneticists for their peers which means they are not going to be easy for us lay people to plow though. I really do no know what is present in the "junk" DNA but I am sure the researchers do and they are doing what they can to find the tools for us to work with better. What they have to do is find markers that are stable enough to be passed from generation to generation without much change. Yet, it would be helpful to us to have a few that are less stable and would give us a better grip on how branches of families connect to each other. Unfortunately either this does not exist or they have not found them yet. >Enough of my rambling. > >Dick > > >==== WELLS-UK Mailing List ==== >Post your queries periodically as new subscribers come on all the time. > >============================== >New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. >Learn more: >http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 Orin R. Wells Wells Family Research Association P. O. Box 5427 Kent, Washington 98064-5427 <OrinWells@wells.org> http://www.wells.org Subscribe to the "Wells-L" list on RootsWeb

Orin this is Toni again.......... Have you had time to figure out how for me to prove that Ralph Wells and I have the same Wells ancesters??? Thanks Toni > > From: OrinWells <orinwells@wells.org> > Date: 2006/01/04 Wed PM 04:35:59 EST > To: WELLS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WELLS-L] DNA - Time for everyone to get tested > > I would like to suggest to everyone, whether you are a Wells male or > not, to get your DNA tested in the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy > Foundation DNA research project. You will be contributing to the > science of DNA testing, helping their project and possibly helping > others who are looking for long lost cousins when they are able to > connect to your DNA haplotype. > > This is open to both men and women. BUT, the hitch is you don't get > the results of your DNA back from Sorenson. The Molecular Genealogy > Project is the program through with we originally tested our phase I > participants for the Wells DNA project. Most of them are now in the > on-line database where you can search for matching DNA haplotypes > (patterns) for y-chromosome. If you have your pattern, you can run a > search. It takes them about 6 months from the time they get your > sample to get you into the database. And I don't think they have the > mtDNA data on-line yet. > > This brings us to the other part. Sorenson, for a limited time only, > is offering a coupon to all participants (past and present) that is > good for a $95 26 marker y-chromosome OR mtDNA test at Relative > Genetics. I have talked Relative Genetics into allowing our project > members to use the coupon $95 plus $40 to get the 43 marker test at > $135 - a clear bargain!! 43 marker? Yes, they have decided that > since Family Tree DNA keeps claiming that their test is a 37 marker > test although it is actually less because some of the values are > double values on the same markers, that Realtive Genetics might as > well advertise that theirs is a 43 marker test. It is actually 37 > markers that returns 43 alleles (values). In the reality since > DYS464 is now revealing up to 6 values I guess you could call it a 45 > marker test. > > Here is how it works. You sign up at Sorenson. They send you a > kit. You send back the kit, a consent form and your genealogy. You > MUST be able to provide AT LEAST 4 generations including > yourself. They want more if you can provide it. This is not too > hard for the first couple of generations - you, your parents and your > 4 grandparents. I know there are some who can not identify their > parents let alone grandparents, but this is a small group. If you > are not able to document the full four generations, all is not lost. Read on. > > When you send back the kit they will send you a coupon for the > Relative Genetics $95 27 marker test. You can either use this > yourself or pass it on to someone else. That means we can use the > coupons for those who can not make the 4 generation or more > genealogy. But you can also use it to test a Wells cousin or any > other surname cousins if you don't want to or can't use it yourself. > > What I would like to ask of you is that you let me know if and when > you participate at Sorenson, get the coupon and how you use it. I > want to make them aware of how many we send to them. If you don't > want to use it, please send it to me and I will find someone who can > use it. Everyone who has ever previously participated in the > Molecular Genealogy Project can simply go to the website and request > a coupon. A few or our participants are not in the data base yet and > a few more are not there because either the BYU group was not able to > get two samples (one for our project and one for the MGP project), > didn't collect a second consent form or lost your genealogy. I will > be notifying you all and asking you to submit a new sample so we can > get you into the Sorenson database. > > This also serves as a shortcut for those who can't justify the 37/43 > marker test cost at Relative Genetics. With the 26 marker test we > can find your test results in the Sorenson database and extract the > remaining markers - they do not test DYS464 (6 values) but that is > only a minor problem. > > Now, if you are a Wells but someone from your family has already been > tested so you have been reluctant to get your own DNA tested, do it > NOW! We can then confirm that you match your cousins at no cost to > you and we can collect more information on the mutations in various > families. If you are not a Wells (some other surname but are here > because you have Wells ancestors) participate yourself and encourage > your Wells cousins to participate. > > Here are the instructions on how to do this: > > Go to the following website and follow the instructions as I show them. > > http://www.smgf.org > > Click on "Participate" at the bottom of the screen > > Click on "Request a Free Kit" at the bottom of the next screen > > Click the link to read the consent form then return to the request page. > > Fill in the requested information on the request form and click on > "Request Kit" > > They will send you the kit and ask for your Gedcom file or paper > genealogy. The Gedcom/genealogy should be a full 4 generations or > more. They are also interested in anyone who has ancestry documented > in the 1800s even if there is a flawed branch or two. > > > > > Orin R. Wells > Wells Family Research Association > P. O. Box 5427 > Kent, Washington 98064-5427 > <OrinWells@wells.org> > http://www.wells.org > Subscribe to the "Wells-L" list on RootsWeb > > > ==== WELLS Mailing List ==== > To search Archives of list go to: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > and enter list name > >

I have one more question - is this the same project as the one where they came around to a number of the mormon churches for blood for dna? If so I have already participated. Jackie

I'll get it done to further genetic testing. As I understand it though-correct me if I am wrong-Male Well's only are being tested for Relative Genetics. Is that right. Mary Beth