My advice to anyone trying to get DNA... Have a kit handy and an extra person ready to step in to get it just in case! I have been tracking forward and backward-- the Joel D. Webb line out of Hunt county Tx as we hope it will lead to our Joseph(Timothy Webb DNA line). I tracked this Webb Line back to the last remaining male descendant... I talked to him on the phone and his daughter by email... She lives near me... He was going to do it... I got Anne to send me the kit... The kit got here about the same time as my husbands passing, so I was a wreck... By the time that I was ready again, he wasn't.... I have tried repeatedly since and can't get him or his daughter to answer... Short of stalking(hehehehe), there is nothing more that I can do... He has 5 daughters only... so he is the last in the line... It is pretty sad, but he said that he knew less about his own family probably than I do... The line is verified back to Jacob Webb and 1837 Giles Tn. If anyone can get me farther back, please lmk... Joel D. Webb b. 12-22-1939 Greenville, hunt cty Tx m. Martha Kirkham 5 daughters Joel D. Webb b. 1916 Hunt county d. 1974 Dallas Texas m. Cora Kathryn Lamm in 1927 hunt county 2 kids: Joel D. and Gary(no known issue) burial: Evergreen Cemetery, Paris Tx Samuel Emmett Webb b. aug 1894 Hunt county Texas d. m. Ada Lloyd at least 2 kids per census 1. Flourine, b. 1915 m. Howard Long (b-17 bomber ma) 2. Joel D. b. 1917 source: 1920 TEXAS HUNT 5 J-PCT Series: T625 Roll: 1820 Page: 63 S.E. 25, Adda 26, flourine 4, J.D. 3 source: 1930 TEXAS HUNT 5 J-PCT (WEST PART) Series: T626 Roll: 2360 Page: 73 Emmett 35, wife ada 36, flourine 14, J.D. 13 Burial: Evergreen Cemetery, Paris Lamar county Texas Joel Davis Webb b. April 10, 1863 Hunt Cty d. March 2, 1899 burial: Webb Hill Cemetery, Wolfe City, Tx m. Nannie Edwards(b. 1869 tn) on 12-24-1889 Hunt cty tx 5 children: Nettie, Emmet, Fannie, Grace, and infant source: 1900 TEXAS HUNT 2 J-PCT Series: T623 Roll: 1647 Page: 189 WEBB NANNIE 31 F W TX 5/4 born/living 4 kids and mil Isabella b. Mar 1826 Tn widowed (isabella Simmons Webb) also Emmit Hefner nephew living in... probably to help on the farm age 23 Notes: Joel dies young and Nannie remarries: Nannie Edwards Webb remarried to a George R. Russell in Hunt county after Joel's death by 1906 4 kids 1. Virgil b. 1907 *played football in high school and got paralyzed from waist down 2. Ora M. b. 1909 per 1910 census 3. Rena b. 1911 per 1920 census 4. Robert b. 1913 *owned some clubs in downtown Dallas source: 1920 Hunt Cty, Wolfe City, tx census Source: current Joel D. Webb phone conversation feb 2006 Joel D. Webb b. Jan 1, 1818 AL. d. Jan 17, 1890 m. Isabella Simmons March 2, 1847 Lamar County 9 children- 8 girls 1 son Joel Buried Webb Hill Cemetery, Wolfe City, tx Notes: Isabella is dau of Benjamin F. Simmons(NC) and 2nd wife Catherine Tomalson From the Records of Petra Wrights: From IGI Film 1553461, Natch F509761, Submitted by Elsie Britton, 1015 Old Mill Lane, Lone Oak Texas, 75053-903-662-3620. She quotes sources as "Echoes from Yesterday", Newspaper articles of Hunt County, Texas; August 14, 1980. Came to Texas from Giles County, Tennessee in 1837. First went to Ben Franklin County Tx and later moved to Clinton Hunt County and on to Wolfe City, Tx ___________________________ Military: Fought for Texas Independence 1838 Texas Muster rolls 19 December 1838 19 December 1838 26 May 1839 Substitute for John Thomas source: http://www.mindspring.com/~dmaxey/t/stouwb1t.htm Edmondson, Wm. Mounted Riflemen 1 Regt., 4 Brig., Texas Militia [Sims' Regt., Dyer's Brig.] [To Trinity River Fall of 1838] Sep 6, 1838 - Jan 7, 1839 [A1] (Pay) Sep 6, 1838 - Jan 7, 1839 [A1] and Stout, W.B. Rangers, Red River County 1 Regt., 4 Brig., Texas Militia Nov 26, 1838 - May 26, 1839 [A1] [list][tran][note] (Pay) Nov 26, 1838 - May 26, 1839 [A1] Dep: W.B. Stout's report ___________________________ Census and Timeline: 1818 born AL 1820 ? with parents 1830 ? with parents 1835 Giles TN 1837-38 Texas 1840 Texas 1847 married Isabella Simmons 1850 Hunt Cty Texas notes: In the 1850 Census Joel D. Webb had a Nancy Webb 57 TN living with himself, his wife Isabella Simmons and their two young daughters (Lavinah? and Armenda) 1854 Land Purchase Hunt Co., Deed Book D, p. ? Date: 8 Jul 1854 Grantors: William Kizer [#15] & wife Jane Kizer [#15/1] (of Hunt Co.) Grantee: Joel D. Webb Description: 160 acres on waters of Cow Leach Fork of Sabine River. Hunt Co., 1860 Hunt Cty Tx Census he is the only webb in hunt county 1868 Voter List he is on the voters list here too... source: http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/tx/hunt/newspapers/11-1868.txt This mentions Joel Webb and his family: Source: and in this infamous article about a noted desparado in hunt cty www.tamu.edu/upress/BOOKS/2003/ sample/smallwoodchap.pdf excerpted from the book apparently a nasty time period.... In effect, Bob Lee held these freedmen unlawfully in a situation much like slavery. The Freedmen's Bureau agent for Hunt County Hardin Hart (noted Unionist and later a district judge) learned of Lee's refusal to obey the terms of the contracts and his refusal to let the workers go. Hart also learned of the kidnapped youngster that Lee held after which the bureauman led a small detachment of the Twenty-sixth United States Infantry to arrest Lee and liberate his workers, including the child. The detachment secured the release of the trapped blacks, but Lee drew two revolvers and put up a fight, firing his weapons while screaming that he would kill Hart. Outnumbered, Lee quickly took flight and avoided arrest. Forever after, he was a fugitive from justice, a fugitive who hated Hardin Hart for the rest of his life. Later, Lee and his men tried repeatedly to ambush and kill Hart. Lee simply refused to accept the outcome of the Civil War and the end of slavery. He also hated the people who abolished the South's "peculiar institution," especially the Union occupying forces and white Texas Unionists. Likewise, he believed in white supremacy and had no sympathy for or mercy upon the newly freed slaves. Like many other whites, he intended to rule the freedmen in Corners Country and in all other places he happened to find himself. If blacks did not submit to him, their lives were forfeit. Lee had trouble with more people than Hardin Hart. In the summer of 1866, Bob pilfered the goods of a Unionist, and authorities in Fannin County issued a warrant for his arrest on the charge of theft; thereafter, Lee spent much time in hiding. A renegade on the run from the law, Lee refused to give up, refused to let the late war end. He was determined to outwit and out-shoot his foes, including Lewis Peacock who condemned Lee's outrages. Lewis knew the people of the Corners and knew that chaos would soon erupt. He also knew that he was the only person in the area who could effectively lead those who prayed for peace. Now a wanted man, Lee went into hiding and sometimes stayed at Joel Webb's house located on "Webb Hill" in Hunt County. During the late summer of 1866, nine-year-old Pauline Wilson traveled by horse and buggy to Webb Hill to visit Joel Webb's daughters, Lutie and Mattie. After the three girls conversed and played on the porch for a time, one of the Webb girls asked in hushed tones if Pauline would like to meet Bob Lee. Pauline later recalled that "I was delighted. I was about nine years old. He was Bob Lee, the hero to some the desperado to others."All three girls went down to the end of the porch, and one of the Webbs knocked on a door. Presently, the door opened, and there stood the fugitive. He had a handsome, agreeable face, to hear Pauline tell it. According to W. Walworth Harrison, local historian of Hunt County: "Joel Webb was obviously harboring Bob Lee at this time and Lee had probably been using Black Cat Thicket, south of Webb Hill, as a hiding place."While the outlaw was on the run, significant political events occurred.In the summer of 1866, the state was still in the hands of those who had lost the war. The former Confederates were flying high, very much in control of the state. That year the legislature passed the infamous "Black Codes" to control the freedmen and to reduce them to semi-slavery and economic peonage. In the governor's race, conservative James W. Throckmorton, once a high-ranking Confederate officer, defeated the Unionist Elisha M. Pease by an overwhelming majority in the election of 1866. Jacob Webb b. 1770-80 NC d. bef 1850 rumored buried near Jefferson, Tx m.1 ? m. 2. nancy notes: first burial in Webb Hill Cemetery.. on 1850 census Joel donated the land for the cemetery