Oh, there were lots of kids, many who were male. I think that if I go into the descendents of the brothers, that I may find someone left who would give me a collateral line DNA. Why didn't I think of that? It all makes sense. Is this the answer to your question(s)? I hope I have "second guessed" your answer to my problem. Please let me know if I am now on the right track. Thanks so much and please confirm my train of thought. Carol (nee Webb)