In a message dated 5/26/2005 10:44:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Oh, there were lots of kids, many who were male. I think that if I go into the descendents of the brothers, that I may find someone left who would give me a collateral line DNA. Why didn't I think of that? It all makes sense. Is this the answer to your question(s)? I hope I have "second guessed" your answer to my problem. Please let me know if I am now on the right track. Thanks so much and please confirm my train of thought. Carol (nee Webb) Dear Carol ABSOLUTELY! And yes, that IS why I asked ::Smile:: I can't STAND to see you so discouraged about it and I was almost positive there could not be no males at all from a line with that many known generations --- Look for the one CLOSEST to you in time Carol. Start at your grandfather Jesse and back up the line from there looking for the collaterals, one generation at a time. ::Dancing in joy:: We're gonna get you there! Let me know if I can help in any way! Anne