This is my brick wall , my WEBB family. I have further information on Mary Adline WEBB's children, but nothing more on her parents as far as names etc. I just know from Census records Mary's parents were born in Virginia.Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks , Nancy 1. WEBB1 was born in Virginia. He married " UNKNOWN ". She was born in Virginia. Child of WEBB and " " is: 2. i. MARY ADLINE2 WEBB, b. October 26, 1822, Henry County, Georgia; d. Aft. 1880, Mississippi. Generation No. 2 2. MARY ADLINE2 WEBB (WEBB1) was born October 26, 1822 in Henry County, Georgia, and died Aft. 1880 in Mississippi. She married WILLIAM SHELTON EIDSON March 23, 1847 in Georgia, son of JOHN EIDSON and MARY CORRY. He was born January 15, 1823 in Henry County, Georgia, and died Aft. 1880 in Calhoun County, Mississippi. Children of MARY WEBB and WILLIAM EIDSON are: 3. i. JOHN JAMES3 EIDSON, REV., b. April 18, 1848; d. November 12, 1892. ii. WILLIAM LEVEY EIDSON, b. March 18, 1850. iii. ELIZABETH ANN EIDSON, b. July 29, 1852. 4. iv. HENRY SHELTON EIDSON, b. May 05, 1854, Georgia; d. Abt. 1924, Carroll County, Mississippi. v. WILEY F. EIDSON, b. 1855. vi. THOMAS EIDSON, b. April 18, 1856; d. October 08, 1860. 5. vii. WILLIAM FRANKLIN EIDSON, b. September 02, 1858; d. August 20, 1920. viii. ELIZA JANE EIDSON, b. September 10, 1862; d. September 24, 1862. ix. ALONZO MITCHELL EIDSON, b. September 11, 1863; d. October 05, 1953; m. LIZZIE WOODS; b. October 13, 1872; d. October 17, 1948. 6. x. ADALINE EIDSON, b. Abt. 1865, MS. Generation No. 3 3. JOHN JAMES3 EIDSON, REV. (MARY ADLINE2 WEBB, WEBB1) was born April 18, 1848, and died November 12, 1892. He married SARAH CATHERINE MCCAIN. She was born March 24, 1851 in MS, and died February 03. Children of JOHN EIDSON and SARAH MCCAIN are: i. JAMES WILLIAM4 EIDSON, b. May 10, 1879, Bluff Springs, Webster County, Mississippi; d. 1944; m. AMMA CHAMPION; b. November 11, 1876, Pheba, Clay County, Mississippi; d. February 1922. ii. ADA B EIDSON, b. January 1881. 7. iii. THOMAS FRANKLIN EIDSON, b. May 08, 1882, Bluff Springs, Webster, MS; d. April 08, 1949. iv. SAMUEL EVERTTE EIDSON, b. February 04, 1887, Belfontaine, Webster Co, Mississippi; d. 1958; m. MAGGIE JUNE PYRON; b. Abt. 1888; d. Abt. 1958.

Oh, there were lots of kids, many who were male. I think that if I go into the descendents of the brothers, that I may find someone left who would give me a collateral line DNA. Why didn't I think of that? It all makes sense. Is this the answer to your question(s)? I hope I have "second guessed" your answer to my problem. Please let me know if I am now on the right track. Thanks so much and please confirm my train of thought. Carol (nee Webb)

In a message dated 5/26/2005 10:04:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: My grandfather's father was William Jason Webb, whose father was William Henry Webb. They were all born in southern IN (Gibson and Warrick Cos.) and William Henry's father was supposed to be a John or a William Webb from either KY or NC? Carol, Was your grandfather William Jason Webb's only son ? Was William Jason Webb William Henry Webb's only son? Anne

It was interesting to read about the Webb branches dying out. My grandfather, Jesse Ernest Webb's descendency line has come to an end. We used to call our family members "Jesse's Roots", but because the only male members died young and that the rest were either girls or sons of Webb mothers, there is no one left to carry the name. That is why it is so important to find my Webb ancestors. My grandfather's father was William Jason Webb, whose father was William Henry Webb. They were all born in southern IN (Gibson and Warrick Cos.) and William Henry's father was supposed to be a John or a William Webb from either KY or NC? The problem for me is to try to separate all the William Webbs and to find which one was related to my William Henry. Since I cannot depend on DNA testing, I have to have someone connect with my family line and then go from there. Anyone have any Webbs living in Warrick County in the early to mid-1800's? The common "given" names in my family were Jesse, William, John, Julius with middle names like Ernest, Seaton, Willis, Wallace, and Jason. I do know that they were strict Methodists and may have been related to the Boone family (mere speculation). Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Carol (nee Webb)

Hi Yvette; Let me know the cost of mailing and I will pay you for that. Snail mail will be fine, appreciate your offering to mail it. Thanks in advance, feel free to contact me directly if you would like. Glenda Glenda Siegrist 17504 S. 327th W. Av. Bristow, Oklahoma 74010 918 367 3833 "The true joy of getting to know our ancestors that have gone on before us, is fulfilled through the Genealogy and Family History we gather and share with our descendants and extended family of Researchers" GMNS. [email protected] Surnames: McCoy,Roberts,Livingston,Ellison,Denison,Rogers,Blalock,Bartley,Pierce,Tu rman, Owens,Raney,Jones,Webb,Scaife,Johnson,DeShazo,Sherer Etc..

Hello everyone, I was wondering if anyone on this list has a William Smith b. abt 1776 d. Sep. 11, 1858, or a Jeremiah Webb Smith b. Feb. 2 1829 d. July 15, 1883 in their line of Webbs? Both William and Jeremiah are buried at Racepath Baptist Cemetery in Rutherford County, NC. I also have a Richard Lee Smith who is the s/o Jeremiah Webb Smith & Sarah Jane Spurlin(g). Richard was b. Sep 12, 1850 d. Mar 11, 1876 m. Mary Francis Webb Feb 26, 1874. Mary Francis Webb was b. Sep 15, 1855 d. Sep 13, 1901. Both are buried at Providence United Methodist Church Cemetery in Rutherford County, NC. If anyone has any links to any of my folks above, I would love to hear from you. Thanks a bunch! Wanda

Glenda, I was unable to scan it in, however, can mail a copy on Tuesday if you would like. Let me know. yvette [email protected] wrote: Yvette, I would love to have a copy of the transcript. Thank you so much for the offer. I only hope I am not too late. Thanks Glenda at..... [email protected] "The true joy of getting to know our ancestors that have gone on before us, is fulfilled through the Genealogy and Family History we gather and share with our descendants and extended family of Researchers" GMNS. Surnames:McCoy,Roberts,Livingston,Ellison, Denison,Rogers,Blalock,Bartley,Pierce,Turman,Owens,Raney,Nichols,Jones,We bb, Scaife,Johnson,DeShazo,Sherer & Others. ==== WEBB Mailing List ==== <> To change list modes, leave, or contact list admin http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/w/webb.html Use < http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/w/e/WEBB/ > To connect to your list website and post your web links and family pages To Webb notes see http://www.wvi.com/~wb YVETTE WHITE 770-345-1016 www.my.tupperware.com/ylwhite Specializing in home parties, fundraisers and (NEW!) Bridal showers! --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out!

Is anyone out there researching the WEBB's of Scotland, CT, ca. 1776? My Stephen, b. 1742 m. Content HEWITT, b. 1748. on May 22, 1766. Stephen d. 1819 in Scotland, CT., and Content d. 1821, in Scotland, CT. Would like to share info on this line. Len

48195 is the zip code of a PO Box at the Southgate Branch Post Office at 14000 Dix Toledo Rd, Southgate MI. Gene At 10:04 AM 5/25/2005, Charles Webb wrote: >In reference to "last benefit". That address does not >look complete. It could be the street name is missing >Southgate is a downriver suburban community of Detroit >in Wayne Co.,MI. > >--- [email protected] wrote: >> In a message dated 5/25/2005 5:30:39 A.M. Pacific >> Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> Is there a database of living Webbs? I am searching >> for information about >> Margaret Webb, b. abt 1919, married to Jack Webb. >> They were owners of a >> property in Detroit, MI until few years ago. >> Margarets address in 1966 was >> 9251 Yosemite Ave/Street, Detroit, MI. >> >> Regards >> H. A. Vie >> >> I know of no database for living WEBBs -- believe me >> as the WEBB DNA Project >> Administrator if there were one I would be living in >> it. There are services >> to search for people for a fee >> >> >> >> There is a death record dated 2 Jan 2003 for a >> Margaret A. Webb born 19 Aug >> 1918 SSN 168-20-1373, last residence 85304 Glendale, >> Maricopa, AZ USA. last >> benefit 48195 Southgate Wayne, MIS USA SSN issued in >> PA before 1951. Didn't >> one of your earlier posts mention her living in >> Philadelphia when her uncle >> died? >> >> Anne >> >> >> ==== WEBB Mailing List ==== >> <<Webb Genealogy; History and Family Traditions >> >> To change list modes, leave, or contact list admin >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/w/webb.html >> Use < >> http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/w/e/WEBB/ > >> To connect to your list website and post your web >> links and family pages >> To Webb notes see http://www.wvi.com/~wb >> >> > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > >==== WEBB Mailing List ==== ><<Webb Genealogy; History and Family Traditions >> >To change list modes, leave, or contact list admin >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/w/webb.html >Use < http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/w/e/WEBB/ > >To connect to your list website and post your web links and family pages >To Webb notes see http://www.wvi.com/~wb

Is there a database of living Webbs? I am searching for information about Margaret Webb, b. abt 1919, married to Jack Webb. They were owners of a property in Detroit, MI until few years ago. Margarets address in 1966 was 9251 Yosemite Ave/Street, Detroit, MI. Regards H. A. Vie >-- Original Message -- >From: [email protected] >Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 07:47:44 EDT >Subject: Re: [WEBB] Webb DNA and name origin >To: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] > > >Thanks for the question as to origins of Webb.. My ancestors were basketmakers (weavers), came over from either England or Wales in late 1700's to NY state. I often wonder if other Webb lines were basketmakers and which lines we are related >o. Figure DNA will eventually clear some of this up. ==== WEBB Mailing List ==== <<Webb Genealogy; History and Family Traditions >> To change list modes, leave, or contact list admin http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/w/webb.html Use < >ttp://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/w/e/WEBB/ > To connect to your list website and post your web links and family pages To Webb notes see http://www.wvi.com/~wb

In a message dated 5/25/2005 8:17:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Anne, Thanks for the reply. I was phishing for a reply from you when I sent the email. I generally read the newsletter but missed this topic. Your reply was what I was looking for. I'm sure it was of interest to the Webb List also. I will print it out and add it to my Webb folder. Charles Webb Charles, We are working on indexing the Newsletters -- slow going because we're volunteers and have higher priorities, but we do hope to have at least 2004 indexed in some kind of reasonable timeframe. Anne

In a message dated 5/25/2005 8:05:16 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: In reference to "last benefit". That address does not look complete. It could be the street name is missing Southgate is a downriver suburban community of Detroit in Wayne Co.,MI. Not sure what the number is -- don't think it's a street address. Zip Code maybe? I gave the citation exactly as in the SSDI on Ancestry. If you notice the AZ "last residence" is the same format: # Town, County, State. Anne

In a message dated 5/25/2005 5:30:39 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Is there a database of living Webbs? I am searching for information about Margaret Webb, b. abt 1919, married to Jack Webb. They were owners of a property in Detroit, MI until few years ago. Margarets address in 1966 was 9251 Yosemite Ave/Street, Detroit, MI. Regards H. A. Vie I know of no database for living WEBBs -- believe me as the WEBB DNA Project Administrator if there were one I would be living in it. There are services to search for people for a fee There is a death record dated 2 Jan 2003 for a Margaret A. Webb born 19 Aug 1918 SSN 168-20-1373, last residence 85304 Glendale, Maricopa, AZ USA. last benefit 48195 Southgate Wayne, MIS USA SSN issued in PA before 1951. Didn't one of your earlier posts mention her living in Philadelphia when her uncle died? Anne

Where in N.Y. I too have Webb ancestors that fit that time frame who came to N. Y. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [WEBB] Webb DNA and name origin > Thanks for the question as to origins of Webb.. My ancestors were > basketmakers (weavers), came over from either England or Wales in late 1700's to NY > state. I often wonder if other Webb lines were basketmakers and which lines we > are related to. Figure DNA will eventually clear some of this up. > > > ==== WEBB Mailing List ==== > <<Webb Genealogy; History and Family Traditions >> > To change list modes, leave, or contact list admin > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/w/webb.html > Use < http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/w/e/WEBB/ > > To connect to your list website and post your web links and family pages > To Webb notes see http://www.wvi.com/~wb >

In a message dated 5/25/2005 4:48:13 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Figure DNA will eventually clear some of this up. Only if your line and others get their DNA documented. DNA can't help untested lines. And we are "short" on lineages with "Yankee" origins to compare. So we are welcoming such lineages with an extra piece of cake (I know some of you are coming, so I baked the cake!) Anne

Anne, Thanks for the reply. I was phishing for a reply from you when I sent the email. I generally read the newsletter but missed this topic. Your reply was what I was looking for. I'm sure it was of interest to the Webb List also. I will print it out and add it to my Webb folder. Charles Webb --- [email protected] wrote: > Charles and list, > > I wrote a rather comprehensive summary of the > origins of WEBB and some of > the earliest occurrences in the WEBB Surname DNA > Project Newsletter some months > back. All the past issues can be found at our > website > www.webbsurnamedna.org . I'll hit the highlights > here, though. > > 1000 years ago is about right for the adoption of > surnames, which occurred > first in royalty and nobility. le Webbe, Webbe, > Webb, Webster, Web, Webs, and > other variants are occupational titles derived from > the weaving/cloth trade. > There was apparently an Anglo-Saxon given name of > Webba (or something like > that) and some think the name derived from that in > some occurrences. English > records show Webbes rather soon after 1000 A.D., > which suggests that at least > some of the early WEBBs had grown prosperous enough > to using surnames, or at > least the occupational designation, and to be > recorded in deeds and wills > and other official documents. By the 1300s some of > the WEBBs were wealthy and > powerful enough to have become "Sir." > > The rise of the guild system controlled entrance to > the weaving occupation, > and it became increasingly hereditary. This doesn't > mean that all WEBBs were > related in the beginning by any means. Moreover the > records show that many > WEBBs were moving out of the weaving industry > altogether by the 1300s. They > show up in records as shipwrights and ship masters, > merchants, solicitors, > ministers, bishops, and money men (factors, > bankers). Others are shown as > carpenters, farmers, labourers, architects and the > like as the 1600s and 1700s > pass. > > While it would be impossible to determine the number > of separate WEBB lines > without much more knowledge of the genealogies than > I think any one person > could amass in a lifetime, or without many, many > more DNA samples than have been > collected, I can tell you that the WEBB Surname DNA > Project has identified > at least 22 different WEBB lines among our 100+ > participants. > > I would suspect that "thousands of individual Webb > lines who are not related > or don't have a common ancestor DNA match until you > go back to the ice age" > is an over-estimation at this point in time. > Probably never was true that > there were that many to begin with. I would be > surprised if the number of > distinct lines topped 100 and very surprised if it > made it to 200 distinct lines, > although I have nothing to back up that "gut > estimate" other than the > following facts. > > 1. The use of surnames (and laws regulating them) > has been pretty well > entrenched for about 400 years, meaning that new > WEBB lines can arise only > through a limited number of mechanisms > a. legal adoptions in which a new DNA line > may be introduced, > b. a male child of a WEBB woman using his > mother's surname instead of > his biological father's > c. legal name change to WEBB > d. illegal name changes. > I have no idea which of these would contribute the > most new WEBB lines, but > I'd guess that altogether they don't amount to > anywhere near 1000s of new > lines arising annually or even within a decade. > 2. Lines "daughter out," end in childlessness, > have their sons wiped out > in wars, accidents, etc with some regularity. This > means there is probably a > larger likelihood the number of lines has diminished > since say 1600 rather > than increased. > 3. Smaller family sizes in industrialized nations > which means that #2 has > probably accelerated somewhat in the last 200 years > or so > > An example: My Webb Line Elias Webb (c. 1785, > NC/GA?-1850/60, GA?) had 6 > sons born between 1815 and 1839. > > 1/3 of the 6 sons died in the Civil War. > Of the remaining 4 sons, one had three sons, one had > one son, my > greatgreatgrandfather had 7 sons - 2 dying as > infants, and one had 4 sons. > My greatgrandfather had 4 sons, one dying at 20 > childless, one had only one > child and that was a girl, one had two sons one of > whom had no sons and the > other of whom had three sons -- and only two of them > have sons (1 apiece), and > one had one son who had one son who had one son who > has one son -- and he > does not carry the WEBB name. Similar patterns hold > on the lines of the other 4 > sons of my oldest known WEBB ancestor. I haven't > counted up, and granted I > haven't traced every little twig, but it doesn't > look as if this line of WEBBs > will be around in 100 years. Fortunately, we have > 5 DNA matches which > means this DNA line continues. > > > The WEBB DNA Surname Project hopes to be able to > answer questions like those > Charles has asked. How many WEBB lines ARE there > which aren't recently > related? > > Anne > > > ==== WEBB Mailing List ==== > <<Webb Genealogy; History and Family Traditions >> > To change list modes, leave, or contact list admin > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/w/webb.html > Use < > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/w/e/WEBB/ > > To connect to your list website and post your web > links and family pages > To Webb notes see http://www.wvi.com/~wb > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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In reference to "last benefit". That address does not look complete. It could be the street name is missing Southgate is a downriver suburban community of Detroit in Wayne Co.,MI. --- [email protected] wrote: > In a message dated 5/25/2005 5:30:39 A.M. Pacific > Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Is there a database of living Webbs? I am searching > for information about > Margaret Webb, b. abt 1919, married to Jack Webb. > They were owners of a > property in Detroit, MI until few years ago. > Margarets address in 1966 was > 9251 Yosemite Ave/Street, Detroit, MI. > > Regards > H. A. Vie > > I know of no database for living WEBBs -- believe me > as the WEBB DNA Project > Administrator if there were one I would be living in > it. There are services > to search for people for a fee > > > > There is a death record dated 2 Jan 2003 for a > Margaret A. Webb born 19 Aug > 1918 SSN 168-20-1373, last residence 85304 Glendale, > Maricopa, AZ USA. last > benefit 48195 Southgate Wayne, MIS USA SSN issued in > PA before 1951. Didn't > one of your earlier posts mention her living in > Philadelphia when her uncle > died? > > Anne > > > ==== WEBB Mailing List ==== > <<Webb Genealogy; History and Family Traditions >> > To change list modes, leave, or contact list admin > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/w/webb.html > Use < > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/w/e/WEBB/ > > To connect to your list website and post your web > links and family pages > To Webb notes see http://www.wvi.com/~wb > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Thanks for the question as to origins of Webb.. My ancestors were basketmakers (weavers), came over from either England or Wales in late 1700's to NY state. I often wonder if other Webb lines were basketmakers and which lines we are related to. Figure DNA will eventually clear some of this up.

Charles and list, I wrote a rather comprehensive summary of the origins of WEBB and some of the earliest occurrences in the WEBB Surname DNA Project Newsletter some months back. All the past issues can be found at our website www.webbsurnamedna.org . I'll hit the highlights here, though. 1000 years ago is about right for the adoption of surnames, which occurred first in royalty and nobility. le Webbe, Webbe, Webb, Webster, Web, Webs, and other variants are occupational titles derived from the weaving/cloth trade. There was apparently an Anglo-Saxon given name of Webba (or something like that) and some think the name derived from that in some occurrences. English records show Webbes rather soon after 1000 A.D., which suggests that at least some of the early WEBBs had grown prosperous enough to using surnames, or at least the occupational designation, and to be recorded in deeds and wills and other official documents. By the 1300s some of the WEBBs were wealthy and powerful enough to have become "Sir." The rise of the guild system controlled entrance to the weaving occupation, and it became increasingly hereditary. This doesn't mean that all WEBBs were related in the beginning by any means. Moreover the records show that many WEBBs were moving out of the weaving industry altogether by the 1300s. They show up in records as shipwrights and ship masters, merchants, solicitors, ministers, bishops, and money men (factors, bankers). Others are shown as carpenters, farmers, labourers, architects and the like as the 1600s and 1700s pass. While it would be impossible to determine the number of separate WEBB lines without much more knowledge of the genealogies than I think any one person could amass in a lifetime, or without many, many more DNA samples than have been collected, I can tell you that the WEBB Surname DNA Project has identified at least 22 different WEBB lines among our 100+ participants. I would suspect that "thousands of individual Webb lines who are not related or don't have a common ancestor DNA match until you go back to the ice age" is an over-estimation at this point in time. Probably never was true that there were that many to begin with. I would be surprised if the number of distinct lines topped 100 and very surprised if it made it to 200 distinct lines, although I have nothing to back up that "gut estimate" other than the following facts. 1. The use of surnames (and laws regulating them) has been pretty well entrenched for about 400 years, meaning that new WEBB lines can arise only through a limited number of mechanisms a. legal adoptions in which a new DNA line may be introduced, b. a male child of a WEBB woman using his mother's surname instead of his biological father's c. legal name change to WEBB d. illegal name changes. I have no idea which of these would contribute the most new WEBB lines, but I'd guess that altogether they don't amount to anywhere near 1000s of new lines arising annually or even within a decade. 2. Lines "daughter out," end in childlessness, have their sons wiped out in wars, accidents, etc with some regularity. This means there is probably a larger likelihood the number of lines has diminished since say 1600 rather than increased. 3. Smaller family sizes in industrialized nations which means that #2 has probably accelerated somewhat in the last 200 years or so An example: My Webb Line Elias Webb (c. 1785, NC/GA?-1850/60, GA?) had 6 sons born between 1815 and 1839. 1/3 of the 6 sons died in the Civil War. Of the remaining 4 sons, one had three sons, one had one son, my greatgreatgrandfather had 7 sons - 2 dying as infants, and one had 4 sons. My greatgrandfather had 4 sons, one dying at 20 childless, one had only one child and that was a girl, one had two sons one of whom had no sons and the other of whom had three sons -- and only two of them have sons (1 apiece), and one had one son who had one son who had one son who has one son -- and he does not carry the WEBB name. Similar patterns hold on the lines of the other 4 sons of my oldest known WEBB ancestor. I haven't counted up, and granted I haven't traced every little twig, but it doesn't look as if this line of WEBBs will be around in 100 years. Fortunately, we have 5 DNA matches which means this DNA line continues. The WEBB DNA Surname Project hopes to be able to answer questions like those Charles has asked. How many WEBB lines ARE there which aren't recently related? Anne

--WebTV-Mail-18994-2901 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit That was certainly an interesting letter re the origins of surnames. I enjoyed reading it. THanks, Chuck Charles Webb B --WebTV-Mail-18994-2901 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpinvite-3301.bay.webtv.net (209.240.205.169) by storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Tue, 24 May 2005 16:09:34 -0700 Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [66.43.18.41]) by smtpinvite-3301.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id E11D0E109; Tue, 24 May 2005 16:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from [email protected]) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id j4ON7v5x025731; Tue, 24 May 2005 17:07:57 -0600 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 17:07:57 -0600 X-Original-Sender: [email protected] Tue May 24 17:07:57 2005 From: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 19:07:42 EDT Subject: Re: [WEBB] Webb DNA and name origin Old-To: [email protected] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1201 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.38 Resent-Message-ID: <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Resent-From: [email protected] Reply-To: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/13706 X-Loop: [email protected] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [email protected] X-Brightmail: Message tested, results are inconclusive Charles and list, I wrote a rather comprehensive summary of the origins of WEBB and some of the earliest occurrences in the WEBB Surname DNA Project Newsletter some months back. All the past issues can be found at our website www.webbsurnamedna.org . I'll hit the highlights here, though. 1000 years ago is about right for the adoption of surnames, which occurred first in royalty and nobility. le Webbe, Webbe, Webb, Webster, Web, Webs, and other variants are occupational titles derived from the weaving/cloth trade. There was apparently an Anglo-Saxon given name of Webba (or something like that) and some think the name derived from that in some occurrences. English records show Webbes rather soon after 1000 A.D., which suggests that at least some of the early WEBBs had grown prosperous enough to using surnames, or at least the occupational designation, and to be recorded in deeds and wills and other official documents. By the 1300s some of the WEBBs were wealthy and powerful enough to have become "Sir." The rise of the guild system controlled entrance to the weaving occupation, and it became increasingly hereditary. This doesn't mean that all WEBBs were related in the beginning by any means. Moreover the records show that many WEBBs were moving out of the weaving industry altogether by the 1300s. They show up in records as shipwrights and ship masters, merchants, solicitors, ministers, bishops, and money men (factors, bankers). Others are shown as carpenters, farmers, labourers, architects and the like as the 1600s and 1700s pass. While it would be impossible to determine the number of separate WEBB lines without much more knowledge of the genealogies than I think any one person could amass in a lifetime, or without many, many more DNA samples than have been collected, I can tell you that the WEBB Surname DNA Project has identified at least 22 different WEBB lines among our 100+ participants. I would suspect that "thousands of individual Webb lines who are not related or don't have a common ancestor DNA match until you go back to the ice age" is an over-estimation at this point in time. Probably never was true that there were that many to begin with. I would be surprised if the number of distinct lines topped 100 and very surprised if it made it to 200 distinct lines, although I have nothing to back up that "gut estimate" other than the following facts. 1. The use of surnames (and laws regulating them) has been pretty well entrenched for about 400 years, meaning that new WEBB lines can arise only through a limited number of mechanisms a. legal adoptions in which a new DNA line may be introduced, b. a male child of a WEBB woman using his mother's surname instead of his biological father's c. legal name change to WEBB d. illegal name changes. I have no idea which of these would contribute the most new WEBB lines, but I'd guess that altogether they don't amount to anywhere near 1000s of new lines arising annually or even within a decade. 2. Lines "daughter out," end in childlessness, have their sons wiped out in wars, accidents, etc with some regularity. This means there is probably a larger likelihood the number of lines has diminished since say 1600 rather than increased. 3. Smaller family sizes in industrialized nations which means that #2 has probably accelerated somewhat in the last 200 years or so An example: My Webb Line Elias Webb (c. 1785, NC/GA?-1850/60, GA?) had 6 sons born between 1815 and 1839. 1/3 of the 6 sons died in the Civil War. Of the remaining 4 sons, one had three sons, one had one son, my greatgreatgrandfather had 7 sons - 2 dying as infants, and one had 4 sons. My greatgrandfather had 4 sons, one dying at 20 childless, one had only one child and that was a girl, one had two sons one of whom had no sons and the other of whom had three sons -- and only two of them have sons (1 apiece), and one had one son who had one son who had one son who has one son -- and he does not carry the WEBB name. Similar patterns hold on the lines of the other 4 sons of my oldest known WEBB ancestor. I haven't counted up, and granted I haven't traced every little twig, but it doesn't look as if this line of WEBBs will be around in 100 years. Fortunately, we have 5 DNA matches which means this DNA line continues. The WEBB DNA Surname Project hopes to be able to answer questions like those Charles has asked. How many WEBB lines ARE there which aren't recently related? Anne ==== WEBB Mailing List ==== <<Webb Genealogy; History and Family Traditions >> To change list modes, leave, or contact list admin http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/w/webb.html Use < http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/w/e/WEBB/ > To connect to your list website and post your web links and family pages To Webb notes see http://www.wvi.com/~wb --WebTV-Mail-18994-2901--