Hi Jim, I was looking through some old information I have on various Webbs and realized why William Webb of Oldstock, Wiltshire is connected to the Webbs of Warwickshire. It seems that in the Wiltshire Visitation Pedigrees 1623, the same arms are listed for William that had been granted to Henry. They are described as follows: Quarterly: 1 & 4 Gules, a cross between four falcon or: 2 & 3 Sable, two swards of saltire agrent, hilted and pommelled or, between four fleurs-de-lis of the last, all within a dordure of the same ABAROW. William's son William, whose will was proved 2/22/1554 was married to Catherina, daughter and heir of Johis Abarow/Abarrow. I was also sent the following information a while ago, which might be of interest, since the Warwickshire Webbs were originally from Dorset: From rootsweb"According to a statement in his will, William Webbe was christened in the church of St. Lawrence at Shaftsbury. His parentage is unknown, but his use of the alias 'Kellowe' in his will raises the possibility that he was an ilegitimate offspring of one of the Keilway family of Dorset and thus perhaps related by blood to Robert Keilway 1. If Webbe was a bastard it did not impede his progress, for by the end of the 15th century he had become one of the richest merchants of Salisbury. He may have started his career in Southampton, an important outlet for the the Wiltshire cloth trade, where he built the so-called Church House in Crane Street. Poole was probably another port through which Webbe exported his goods, since both his son and grandson did so, whilst his daughter married a merchant of that town. [14842] " "Webbe made his will on 13 July 1523, describing himself as 'William Kellowe or William Webbe of the city of New Sarum, mercer and merchant' and asking to be buried in the church of St. Thomas, where his three wives already lay. He made bequests to his daughter Cecily, the wife of Thomas White of Poole, and her three children, as well as to the children of his second wife by her two earlier marriages. The chief beneficiary and sole executor was his son William." details in ref;[14848] [14836] Born by 1466. married (1) Joan, widow of one Stone of Salisbury, one sone William Webbe 11 and one daughter Cecily (2)Edith, widow of Robert Long who dies in 1501 who was from Steeple Ashton (3) Joan 11. [14844]Webbe performed many special duties for the corporation of Salisbury and during his second mayoralty he presided over the rules for public order to be approved by the King's justices. He had three terms as mayor Footnote Old Sarum in Wiltshire was a rotten borough i.e. a parliamentary seat with only a few voters. Salisbury was New Sarum. Unfortunately, I don't know what the reference numbers in brackets stand for. I got involved in all this at some point because Kellowe/Keilway is a common misspelling for Kellaway and I have a Kellaway in my Webb line, but my Webb descent from the Richmond alias Webbs. Kathryn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Webb" <[email protected]> To: "Kathryn Payne" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 5:01 PM Subject: Webb research > Kathryn, > > Documentation on the matter of William Webb and wife, Joen Stone, is > somewhat "shaky" at best. My wife and I have spent twenty years and > thousands of miles of travel in trying to collect information on our > ancestry. Most of our information is good but some of it is "the best that > we could come up with". Ironically, there are three other WEBB researchers > who have arrived at the same bit of information that we have and so maybe > that means a little something. Sorry that I cannot "nail it down" any > better. > > Jim Webb > >

Never fail that when something is called off some one just has to keep it going. When the new list is created the DNA can continue open forum. Lets hole the DNA till then. Thanks the guy with the control panel <G> Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 6:31 AM Subject: [WEBB] WEBB Surname DNA Web Site \

We are going to save the DNA posts until the new list is created. Every one who is interested may join the new list and run DNA as open forum Thanks The regular list genealogy may continue. =======> Dan M

I claim a different Richard, born 1833 in Shelby Co, KY, who lived the rest of his life in Daviess and Hancock Counties. He is my g-grandfather. So if you come across Richard in those counties he is probably this one. Hope you find yours though.

In a message dated 8/5/2005 6:49:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: To me this is a major find for WEBB researchers...I have spoken to some of the Webbs and they seem very open to meeting me. Keep your fingers crossed. And my prayers going up! I DO wish you success...another piece of the big puzzle would fall into place. Anne

Great advice, I knew you of all people would know. I believe that DNA from this family will open many doors for many people. James Warren Webb was the son of Elisha Webb and Nancy King of Pendleton Dist. Anderson SC To me this is a major find for WEBB researchers...I have spoken to some of the Webbs and they seem very open to meeting me. Keep your fingers crossed. Thanks again Mary

First of all, I'd like to apologise to Anne for not speaking up sooner, I'm reading email on vacation on my son's laptop and I have no addresses on it. I have been able to access my email, and finally, I have to speak out. We are all so fortunate to have people like Anne and Mark to work so tirelessly on keeping up with our growing group of Webb lines, close to a 100, I believe, each from researchers like us. As individuals, we are concerned more with our own line and our own efforts, but Anne manages to stay on top of every thing, and does it with a great deal of graciousness and class. Thank you, Anne, you are appreciated for the work you do, as is Mark! One of the main concerns of my family when I asked them about being donors for this project was privacy. The DNA of a line does not just belong to one member of a family, but to all and it is VERY important that this issue is treated with the care that Anne takes. Anne works to help all that call on her, and she has sent people to me, I know, that she feels might belong to our group. I have called on her when I have met someone online, to see if perhaps she could connect that person to a corresponding line. She handles it all, as I have said, with grace and class and PRIVATELY. Again, thank you, Anne. I was correct in telling my brothers that their DNA information is being protected and controlled by responsible caretakers. I'm sure most of the 100 other donors appreciate that as well. I am blessed to have several cousins that work my same Webb line out of NCarolina, and they do not have a problem with the DNA web site being password protected. They receive the newsletters, and if they have any questions, they email Anne or myself, and of course we are glad to help out. I would never pass on any information about another participant without Anne coordinating it, that "rule" protects me as well as others in the project. Thanks once again, Anne, for all you do! Karen Webb Hachman Austin, TX

In a message dated 8/5/2005 5:16:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Anne, I have found my WEBB ancestors. I also received the death cert of James W WEBB B 1847 SC died Troup Co GA Dec 25, 1922. I will be going to meet these Webbs in Troup Co GA in a week or so. I plan on trying my hardest to get one of the males to do the DNA. There are a lot of them there. Do you have any suggestions on how to present the question of DNA testing to them? I can, as you all know, be quite a talker but this is so very important to me to finally have a WEBB male to test! Thanks in advance, Mary Hmm bringing up the topic can be chancey, and knowing nothing about these folks all I can recommend is to establish rapport first, then when you have been talking genealogy awhile, ask if they have heard of it. If they are negative, just say "well I heard about it and thought it might help our family and was wondering what you thought about it." Although I would say it would be ok to give them a piece of positive publicity. Nonie Webb's post from yesterday about her breakthrough which would have been impossible without DNA would be good. Don't press for a commitment, cause you want to maintain good harmony. Later maybe you can try again. Some people will say "no" to any novel idea and then change their mind once they have thought it over. So give them time to think about the idea. Hear out any objections so you know where they are coming from -- are they scared their information will be misused or abused? Do they think it means drawing blood? Do they have religious objections? Have they heard negative feedback? And so on. If they are positive, be prepared with information about how it's done. You can get a free sample kit from the test providers, brochures, even videotapes. Just visit their websites and request the kit and materials by email or phone. I got mine in 2-3 business days. Explain what line you think you might hook up with that is already tested (if there is one). If you have no idea, simply say you have researched the paper trail until you're blue in the face and this would help you focus your research efforts -- maybe you have been looking in the county/state you/they know about, and a connection could come from a state you never knew they lived in. If you get lucky enough to have someone agree on the spot, you can give them the kit and I believe all the companies will convert it to a "regular" kit if you email them the details and circumstances. If they want or need more time to think, or have questions you can't answer, you can still leave the kit and get the answers they need and get back to them. Anne

My g-grandmother was Gertrude Webb Adams. My grandfather, Owen Adams, was born in Henry County, KY. Does anyone have info on Gertrude Webb's lineage? Thank you.

Anne, I have found my WEBB ancestors. I also received the death cert of James W WEBB B 1847 SC died Troup Co GA Dec 25, 1922. I will be going to meet these Webbs in Troup Co GA in a week or so. I plan on trying my hardest to get one of the males to do the DNA. There are a lot of them there. Do you have any suggestions on how to present the question of DNA testing to them? I can, as you all know, be quite a talker but this is so very important to me to finally have a WEBB male to test! Thanks in advance, Mary

I signed off for a few days am hoping I did not miss too much is everyone still cranky? Mary

In a message dated 8/5/2005 2:17:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I am having a question that the DNA site for * charge * should be allowed on rootsweb. There have been a few issues brought up on this. Dan M Since you mentioned it here, I will reply here. There is no site "for charge." Period. This was a total misunderstanding by one person who started a flurry of discussion based on that misperception on her part. This is one of the largest Surname Projects in existence -- and among the largest, one of the few without a Family Association behind it. It does not deserve this libelous accusation. NOBODY, least of all me, makes any profit off this site, excluding the test providers. And they only have access to the data for their own customers. Every Project manager/administrator will tell you that there are many participants who cannot afford the test kit. They will also tell you that many of the old, long-established lines with good documentation back to Colonial times or before, and lines outside the US do not want to buy kits. They don't see what value it is for them -- they HAVE their genealogy done, what could our Project tell them? And frankly they aren't interested in 8th cousins in the US --nor in saying so. Sometimes, however, we can persuade them to do the tests IF WE PAY FOR THEM. Many of the Project Administrators have literally paid thousands of dollars out of their own pockets to buy for kits. If I could, I would, but I can't afford to do that. If I ever win the lottery I will. Thus, the Scholarship Fund. Most of the donors have been participants -- to the tune of several hundred dollars over the cost of their own tests. There are about half a dozen who have paid for most of the Scholarship kits which we have purchased or subsidized. I haven't stopped to count them up at this point, but I would estimate that about 20 -25 of the Project kits have been partially or fully subsidized by the Scholarship Fund. Obviously, the folks who have put in so far cannot be expected to keep funding the additional kits. Obviously, it's also in the best interests of all researchers to have more participants. Each kit teaches us something new, makes the picture clearer. I have begged in the newsletter for donations -- even the smallest folding bill from the folks who subscribe (about 300 non-participants). We have offered "GOT WEBB DNA?" merchandise the sales of which pay a commission to the Scholarship Fund. The same few people keep stepping up to the plate to support the Project, including me, to the tune of several hundred dollars. Any wonder we feel like Henny Penny now? Every donation I personally make means I give up something, including meals. Nobody pays me for the 40 - 80 hours I have put in every week -- without a break for three until last month when I was too sick to work more than 10 - 20 hours a week. Nobody pays me for the long distance calls I make trying to recruit someone from a line some participant wants to compare their results to. Nor am I paid for the postage spent on recruiting letters. I'm not complaining -- this I do happily. Just as other participants make such calls and write such letters. I'm not asking for a medal or sympathy. What I am asking is that I am treated with respect and dignity -- not abused, flamed or accused of unethical behavior. I don't think that is too much to ask. EMAIL ME if you have a complaint. I am a reasonable person and my concern is to make it work for everyone. Is it too much to ask people raise complaints privately with me instead of publicly flaming me and stirring up other people behind my back? There are less than 20 people who provide the bulk of the labor to administer the Project, answer inquiries, explain the meaning of results, keep up with the science aspects, research the most cost effective options for tests, recruit participants, finance the kits that need Scholarships, build and maintain the website, provide material for the Newsletter and maintain its mailing list. Yes, many people research their own lines, and a few research many lines (and are included in the "20" above). Most don't provide any feedback about what they are finding out. The ones who do are a treasure. So let me repeat. The public area is open to everyone, as is the free Newsletter, there is currently ongoing discussion on ways to make this area more useful to non-Participants by giving more information about the specific lines participating. Since I have not completed my survey of Participants about what they wish to post or not post publicly, I cannot commit here to exactly what will be posted. The proposal I am asking them to consider is to post the lineages -- by related group -- without kit numbers, without the name or other identifying information about the participant, and stopping with the last person born before about 1900 or 1905. I also have to consult with the webmaster about how to set it up so visitors to the site can click on a state and see the lineages which passed through/lived/originated in that state. Since the members, and non-members, that I have contacted to date have had good suggestions (and anyone-- in or outside the Project may email me suggestions about what they want to see in the public area), and we have not finalized the details, I cannot spell them out here. Nor will this happen overnight. Participants and researchers who have not been contacted so far needn't think I am ignoring them. I just haven't gotten to you yet. Feel free to email me your comments though. The Participant Area is accessed by Password to protect the privacy of the Participants and/or their designated researchers. For example, my cousin who donated DNA has no interest, so his mother has access, since she is the researcher, but of course, if he wanted access, I would happily issue him a User Name and Password. Likewise, if a donor and a cousin split the cost of the kit, they both have access. Honorary Participant status is granted to those folks who have donated reams of research notes and/or serve as the "senior genealogist" for their family line(s). As a return courtesy for their research notes, and in recognition of their need for access to effectively serve as the senior researcher, they are granted access. We have five of these. Honorary Participant status is similarly granted as a COURTESY to those folks who support the Project by generous donations. A "thank you" of sorts. To date, TWO people have this status. Both are WEBB researchers who donated money to help purchase kits for potential participants in need.. They did not ask for access -- it was not "sold" to them, but I am surprised that anyone would think that when someone has donated HALF the cost of a basic DNA kit that they should NOT have access. After this brouhaha, particularly the way in which the Project, the website and, by implication, myself were publicly flamed over a policy put into effect about six months ago -- with no complaints made to me privately in all that time, I am seriously considering all options. Because now I'm spending my time repairing the damage done to the Project by the public post of someone who was mistaken but popped off before having the facts. A final question however, if you do not support the Project so it can gain information, what right do you think you have to free access to the Project's most personal information? Conclusions, summaries yes, but the actual DNA of the participants? Anne

GGGGrandfather Augustine Webb b 1755 in Hanover VA. m 1. Elizabeth? in VA. m. 2. Frances Ann (Franky) Clarke, 1807 in Shelby Co. KY. GGGrandmother Frances Ann (Franky) Webb, b abt 1810 in Shelby Co., m 1. Wm. Reinbarger, and 2 Jacob Ganote in Bullitt Co. KY. GGrandmother Rebecca Ganote b 1849 in Bullitt Co. KY., m Isaac Hibbs Aug 7 1874, in Bullitt Co. KY. Grandmother Mary Nancy Hibbs b 1874 in Bullitt Co. KY., m James W. Patrick abt 1895 in Bullitt Co. KY. Father William Patrick, b 1898, Jefferson Co. KY. Then there is me, Patricia, b 1937. As you can see, there are no male Webbs to take part in the DNA testing. I'm going to have to depend on the kindness of very distant cousins in order to link up my Augustine to the right Webb line:) Thanks! Pat in Ohio

Hi List, I am seeking information on my gg Grandfather Elisha B. Webbs birth parents. Elisha Was born in Greensburg, Decatur County Indiana. Somewhere between 1820 and 1828. His tombstone says 1820 but other info he has listed other dates. We believe Elisha is probable son of Abel Webb, who was in theat area, and a lot of circumstantial evedence points to him being the Father. Abel was married 3 times and we believe Abels first wife is our Elishas mother. Abel was also married to a Mary Cristler/ Critser. Elisha married Hannah Eads in Shelby County Indiana in 1850. In the 1850 census of Shelby Co Indiana it lists Elisha had living with them a Nathan Hall, his wife Lucinda and their son Augustus Hall. Does anyone know any of these people? Elisha and Hannah moved to Menard County Illinois. I believe Menard was originally Sagamon County Illionois. or vice versa. They also lived in Davies County, Livingston County, Linn County, and Chariton county Missouri. Elishas wife Hannah died in Chariton County Mo . Elisha later married a Wilson. They moved to Wright County Missouri, Elisha died in Wright County Mo. Elisha Webb and Hannahs daughter Margaret Webb married William A. Green. They are my gg grandparents and lived in Brookfield Missouri in Linn County. Thank you for your help. Shirley Kays [email protected]

I am getting very uncomfortable with the tone the list has taken recently. Can we please stop sniping at each other and get back to business? Betty Webb www.bettywebb-mystery.com Author of "DESERT SHADOWS: PUBLISHING CAN BE MURDER," "DESERT WIVES: POLYGAMY CAN BE MURDER," and "DESERT NOIR." All by Poisoned Pen Press. "Eye-popping." The NEW YORK TIMES. "Loyalty, compassion and a sharp sense of humor help Arizona PI Lena Jones survive as she continues to struggle with her troubled past in Webb's third socially conscious, thought-provoking mystery." PUBLISHERS WEEKLY

From Newsletter dated March 18 2005 "Remember: anyone who contributes $50+ is an Honorary Participant & will receive access to the Participants Only section." From Newsletter dated July 31 2550 "Scholarship Fund I want to thank the folks who have donated to this Fund since its inception, and those who continue to donate to the Fund. Without your generosity, we would be several kits fewer and to our detriment, as more than one Scholarship kit has proven critical to making breakthroughs. Donations are always welcome, and please remember that donors of $50+ who are not already privy to the Participants Area become Honorary Participants with access to the area. " __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Dan, I have a Sarah Ann Goings Cooper. She married John Manuel Horton her father was John Cooper and mother Elizabeth Coggins. small world, Shirley

In a message dated 8/5/2005 1:53:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I will inform the list when it is ready. Dan M Thanks Dan, you're the best! Anne

In a message dated 8/5/2005 1:18:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Its already been done Dan M WEBB-DNA is not yet showing for subscription, but I assume there's a day or two delay. Don't forget the Project NEWSLETTER is also available to anyone with an email address (or a kind soul who will print it and forward it to them) and in the Newsletter Archives on the Project website. Progress reports have always been welcomed by the Newsletter, although few of the research groups have chosen to author them and submit them. They would be MOST welcome, and I hope they would also be posted on this new list for the greatest exposure to researchers. Anne

Anne Nelson does an outstanding job as Webb DNA administrator and should be thanked for all her volunteer time. I hope my Webb relatives weren't as mean-spirited as apparently some Webb's are. Try to find someone to join the DNA project if at all possible. If you are unable to do so, posting your ancestors names and locations on this site will provide others the information to answer your questions. I believe the DNA project participants will share whatever they have if they read your request. Those who want to complain about a process they are not part of......find a more satisfactory hobby. Mary V.