The Morrison-Reeves library in Richmond has an online newspaper index. Andrew Shorey is listed with an obit on 20 Dec. 1909 In the Evening Item page 6, col. 1. I did not see one for Susan. Maybe his obit will tell you if she died before or after Andrew. Here is the webpage for the library: http://mrl.lib.in.us/geneal.html. You can contact them and they will send you a copy of the obit. I don't remember what the charge is, but it is reasonable. I have asked for several obits and they are very helpful. Good luck in your search. Brenda in TX Andrew Shorey and his wife Susan Woodworth. They married Oct 1862. I am not sure if it was in Indiana or not I know that Andrew died there Dec 19 1909. I would like to find his death place and the death date of his wife Susan. > > Any help appreciated, > DanaRae >

Hi, I would like to find information on Mary Benbow, born about 1796, married Thomas West in 1816, (Wayne Co.) and died in 1827. (buried in Delaware Co.) Her husband died about 1834, and Barclay Benbow was assigned as guardian of the children. Are there any death records this early? I would like to know if she died in childbirth. I would like to know where the children lived after Thomas died. In the will for Thomas West, it lists his second wife, Nancy and children: Susan, Edy, Elizabeth, Edward, William and Rachel. I believe the first four were Mary's children. In a Settlement by Guardian 1845, Barclay lists: Edith Skinner, Elizabeth West and Edward West. Thank you, Cindy

Hi All, I am new to the List. I am looking for information on a Andrew Shorey and his wife Susan Woodworth. They married Oct 1862. I am not sure if it was in Indiana or not I know that Andrew died there Dec 19 1909. I would like to find his death place and the death date of his wife Susan. Any help appreciated, DanaRae

Below is the first installment of a monthly newsletter that the genealogy dept of the FW/AC library is sending out. It is long, but for anyone thinking about going to Fort Wayne to do some research, this should be useful info. Genealogy Gems: News from the Fort Wayne Library No. 1, March 31, 2004 Welcome! Only a very few short years have passed since the celebrated dawning of both this new century and this new millennium, and we have already experienced some amazing events. Indeed, these are exciting times of discovery and opportunity for those researching family and local history. Technology continues to provide opportunities to access more records, and explore new tools for evaluating and conveying data found those records. Never have opportunities for collaboration and networking been greater--and never has so much information been so readily available. Since its inception, the Historical Genealogy Department of the Allen County Public Library has been committed to serving a nation of researchers through a great collection and outstanding reference service. In the early days of this new millennium, we continue to look for innovative ways of assisting twenty-first century genealogists. The premier issue of this electronic newsletter marks the beginning of such an initiative. Through this publication, we will inform you about both our new collections and our many lesser-known treasures; we will share information about the use of important resources and provide best research practices and methodologies; and we will provide you with news about genealogical happenings in our area. And we commit to doing it all in a short, easily-read format of an e-zine. We trust you will find it useful and share it with your family and friends. Curt Witcher, Manager ************************************************************************ Southern Claims Commission Disallowed Claims, 1871-1880 (National Archives Microfiche Publication M1407, RG 233) Timothy Dougherty Southern Claims Commission Disallowed Claims is an engaging and useful tool for American Civil War era research. This collection may help flesh out a family history. It may enable a researcher to establish connections with neighbors, relatives, ex-slaves, and ex-slave owners. The contents may note an ancestor's occupation and standing in the community, or may help discover a missing link. And often, they provide an ancestor's first-hand account of the times. This collection is available in our Microtext area. In 1871, Congress established a commission to receive and examine monetary claims for Civil War losses. These claims were based on the facts that the claimant had been both loyal to the Union and had supplies or stores seized by or furnished to the US Army during the war. States affected in the commission were AL, AR, FL, GA, LA, MS, NC, SC, TN, TX, VA and parts of WV. This collection includes just the claims that were wholly "disallowed ," or ultimately never paid out, and claims that were "barred," that is, failed to make the March 10, 1880 deadline. The claims contain varying degrees of information. Some have merely a card with a few hastily scrawled notes. Many others, however, include pages of documentsólists detailing the claim and depositions by both claimants and witnesses. The nature of the claims is also varied; they include property, stores and suppliesódamaged houses, flatboats, potatoes, pork, crockery, and fodder, for example. The claim treats the specifics and itemizes the losses. The depositions may detail claimant's age, birthplace, specific location, and circumstances regarding the claim. They may reveal, in his or her own words, what the claimant felt and witnessed during the war. These provide a fascinating glimpse into the claimant's life and surroundings. This collection includes a comprehensive, easy-to-use index. These claims can be utilized with a separate National Archives publication, Records of the House of Representatives: Southern Claims Commission, 1871-1880 ( P-2257). This includes the Summary Reports of the Commissioners of Claims. It is strongly recommended that the reports be checked in addition to the Disallowed Claims, as it includes material not found in the claim itself. It contains the commissioners' reasons for disallowing the claim, and may include additional personal data. Each wholly disallowed claim should have such an entry. Also included in the Summary Reports are statistical analysis, overall observations, and the "rules" concerning the claims. ********************************************************************** British Parliamentary Papers on the Irish Famine Steven W. Myers Many genealogists with Irish forebears trace descent from families that lived through the Great Famine of the 1840s. Those interested in adding some historical background to their family narrative often consult a general famine history for that purpose, in spite of the fact that local conditions varied dramatically within Ireland. Few realize that a wealth of detailed information about famine era conditions is available for the precise locale in which their ancestors resided. A rich source of this detailed data is the eight volume Famine series of British Parliamentary Papers published by the Irish University Press. This series contains selected correspondence and reports of relief commissioners and local boards of health and public works attempting to respond to the crisis. Government relief measures, the state of workhouses, and famine conditions in each district of Ireland all emerge from the statistical and narrative material in these volumes. Using them will enable the family historian to reconstruct a more accurate picture of the world their ancestors left. These contemporary famine reports are generally arranged in alphabetical order by the name of the Poor Law Union. Each union was centered on a market town, in which the union workhouse was located. The key to accessing information relevant to an ancestor's place of origin is to know the name of the poor law union in which they resided. To find the name of the union, consult the General Alphabetical Index to the Townlands and Towns, Parishes, and Baronies of Ireland [call no. 941.50003 G28A], based on the 1851 census of Ireland, and reprinted by the Genealogical Publishing Co. Once the name of the union is known, the table of contents in each volume of parliamentary papers can be consulted for relevant items. Correspondence from local officials can be graphic in its description of conditions, sometimes mentioning specific individuals and poignant episodes. In addition to statistical data, some tables provide the names, ages, relationships, and residences of individuals affected by the famine. The following brief list of examples will illustrate the possibilities: "Return of Persons receiving Out-Door Relief, as Paupers (Castlebar Union)," "Occupiers of Land within the Union of KilrushÖwho are willingÖto emigrate with their families to Canada," and "Female Orphans in the Donegal Union Workhouse between the Ages of 14 and 18 YearsÖwilling to emigrate to Australia." Genealogists can readily access this valuable set on open shelves in the Genealogy Department at 941.5 P1997. *********************************************** DRIVING DIRECTIONS TO THE LIBRARY *********************************************** Wondering how to get to the library? Our exciting temporary location is located at 200 E. Berry, Fort Wayne, Indiana. We will be in this location until 2006. We would enjoy having you visit the Genealogy Department. To get directions from your exact location to 200 E. Berry, Fort Wayne, Indiana, visit this link at MapQuest: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?city=Fort+Wayne&state=IN&200+E+Berry+Street &zip=46802&country=us&zoom=8 >From the North or South Exit Interstate 69 at exit 102. Come east on Jefferson St. into downtown. Turn left on Barr St. to Berry St. The library is located on the corner of Berry and Barr streets. >From the West Using US 30: Drive into town on US 30. US 30 turns into Goshen Rd. Coming up to an angled street (State St.) make an angled left turn. Turn right on Wells St. Go south on Wells until Wayne St. Left on Wayne. When you cross Clinton, the library will be on your left on Wayne St. Using US 24: After crossing under Interstate 69, follow the same directions as from the North or South. >From the East Follow US 30 into New Haven. Following that through New Haven, under an overpass into downtown Fort Wayne. You will be on Washington St. when you get into downtown. Turn right on Barr St. Turn left on Berry St. The library is on your left on Berry St. ******************************************** PARKING AT THE LIBRARY ******************************************** Lot in front of the library, east side Available for short-term library parking. Limited to an hour. Tippman Parking Garage Clinton and Wayne streets. Across from the library, however the skybridge in NOT accessible. Hourly parking, $1.25 per hour up to $5.00, than $5.00 a day. Park Place Lot Covered parking on Barr St. at Main St., this lot is one block away from the library. Hourly parking Monday through Friday, 9am to 6pm. Street (metered) parking on Wayne St. and Berry St. On the street you plug the meters 8am - 5pm, weekdays only. It is free to park on the street after 5pm and on the weekends. Visitor center/Grand Wayne center This is the Hilton Hotel parking lot that also serves as a day parking garage. Covered parking at Washington and Clinton streets. Hourly parking, 7am - 11 pm. Charges are .50 for the first 45 minutes, that $1.00 per hour. There is a flat $2.00 fee between 5pm and 11pm. ****************************************** HOTEL OF THE MONTH ****************************************** Each issue we will feature a local hotel, for visitors from out-of-town. The Downtown Fort Wayne Holiday Inn is very near ACPL (2 short blocks!). It has 208 rooms, a pool and fitness center, and longterm guests will be pleased to know they can do their laundry there. For those arriving by air, you can arrange to be picked up by their airport shuttle. There is a coffee shop and bar; other restaurants are nearby, and the Historical Genealogy dept. can supply a list and map to help you find a place to eat. The Holiday Inn has special rate of $62.00 plus tax for Genealogists, Group rates are available. Downtown Fort Wayne Holiday Inn, 300 East Washington Blvd., Fort Wayne IN 46802. Phone 260 422 5511. E-mail gmfwa@lodgian.com. For toll-free reservations, dial 1 800 465 4329 and ask for the Genealogical Rate ****************************************************** CALENDAR OF EVENTS ****************************************************** Allen County Public Library 3rd floor atrium display area Eastern European Immigration: Highlights of Allen County Public Library Genealogy Department Resources Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR) April 7, 2004 / Wednesday / 9am - 3pm / Genealogy Department ACPL 200 E. Berry, Fort Wayne, IN (260-421-1225) First Wednesday of each month Expert help from members of the DAR in becoming a member of that organization Allen County Genealogical Society of Indiana (ACGSI) http://www.ipfw.edu/ipfwhist/historgs/acgsi.htm April 14, 2004 / Wednesday 6:30pm refreshments, 7:00pm meeting Aboite Branch Library, 5630 Coventry Lane, Fort Wayne, IN (260-421-1310) Amy Johnson Crow "Butcher, Baker, Candlestick Maker: Using Occupations Records" May 12, 2004 / Wednesday 6:30pm refreshments, 7:00pm meeting New Haven Branch Library, 648 Green St., New Haven, IN (260-421-1345) Steve Hofer Philo T. Farnsworth Museum Computer Users Group April 21, 2004 / Wednesday 6:30pm refreshments, 7:00pm meeting Aboite Branch Library, 5630 Coventry Lane, Fort Wayne, IN (260-421-1310) Roundtable Discussion Indiana Genealogical Society April 3, 2004 / Saturday / Annual meeting and conference Bloomington Convention Center, Bloomington, Indiana Speakers include: Megan Smolenyak Smolenyak, Julian Livingston, James Madison, and Randi Richardson. http://www.indgensoc.org/conference.html Ohio Genealogical Society April 22 - 24, 2004 / Willmington, Ohio "Settlers and Builders of Ohio: Discovering Family History Resources and Strategies" Featuring Thomas W. Jones and 28 other speakers http://www.ogs.org/PDF/2004%20Conference%20Brouchure.pdf National Genealogical Society www.ngsgenealogy.org May 19 - 22, 2004 / Sacramento, California / Sacramento Convention Center NGS Conference in the States http://www.eshow2000.com/ngs/ Federation of Genealogical Societies www.fgs.org September 8 - 11, 2004 / Austin, Texas / Austin Convention Center "Legends Live Forever: Researching the Past for Future Generations" http://www.fgs.org/2004conf/FGS-2004.htm ACPL Librarians on Tour Curt Witcher April 7 Huntington Public Library "Effective Use of the Historical Genealogy Department", 7p.m. April 14 Indiana Library Federation (Indianapolis Convention Center) "More Than Surname Surfing: Assisting Genealogists With the Web", 3:30p.m. April 23 Ohio Genealogical Society Annual Conference, Wilmington, Ohio "Using Church Records in Your Genealogical Research", 4p.m. April 24 Ohio Genealogical Society Annual Conference, Wilmington, Ohio "Doing Effective Genealogical Research in Libraries", 10:30a.m. May 5 Utah Library Association Pre-Conference Workshop, Ogden, Utah "Books, Bytes, and Bridges: Serving Genealogists in the 21st Century", 1:30p.m. May 6 Utah Library Association, Ogden, Utah "Pain in the Access: Getting More from the Internet for Your Genealogy", 1:15p.m. May 6 Utah Library Association Pre-Conference Workshop, Ogden, Utah "Mining the Motherlode: Using Periodical Literature in Genealogical Research", 2:30p.m. Sue Kaufman April 18 - 19 Indiana Historical Society, Indianapolis "Jewish Genealogical Research" www.indianahistory.org Elaine Kuhn 25 April Washtenaw County Genealogical Society of Michigan "PERSI" St. Joseph Mercy Hospital Education Center, Ann Arbor, 1:30 Ryan Taylor 12 April DeKalb County Indiana Genealogical Society, Auburn Indiana "Calendars and the Genealogist" Publishing Note: This electronic newsletter is published by the Allen County Public Library's Historical Genealogy Department, and is intended to enlighten readers about genealogical research methods as well as inform them about the vast resources of the Allen County Public Library. We welcome the wide distribution of this newsletter and encourage readers to forward it to their friends and societies. All precautions have been made to avoid errors. However, the publisher does not assume any liability to any party for any loss or damage caused by errors or omissions, no matter the cause. If you do not want to receive this e-zine, please send an email to kspears@acpl.lib.in.us with "unsubscribe e-zine" in the subject line. Sue Kaufman, editor

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C41374.4B601A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is amazing how the facts are unimportant to so many, and how soon they forget! Old records can still bite!!!! ***************************** "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb 4, 1998 "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998 "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten time since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18,1998 "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry( D - MA), and others Oct. 9,1998 "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." >- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 "There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001 "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9,2002 "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 "He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" - Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002 "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weap ons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real" - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 SO NOW EVERY ONE OF THESE SAME DEMOCRATS SAY PRESIDENT BUSH LIED--THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND HE TOOK US TO WAR UNECESSARILY! Send this to everybody you know..The media and networks won't do it. Why do you suppose that is? 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This was e-mailed to me............. We all need to know about this kind of Genealogy info too. HR3261 has been amended somewhat while in committee. Here is the current wording of interest to us as genealogists. If you wish to make your voice heard on the legislation find your legislator on this listing http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.html /SEC. 4. PERMITTED ACTS./ / (a) INDEPENDENTLY GENERATED OR GATHERED INFORMATION- This Act shall not restrict any person from--/ / (1) independently generating or gathering information obtained by means other than extracting it from a database generated, gathered, or maintained by another person; and/ / (2) making that information available in commerce./ / (b) ACTS OF MAKING AVAILABLE IN COMMERCE BY NONPROFIT SCIENTIFIC OR RESEARCH INSTITUTIONS- Subject to section 9, the making available in commerce of a substantial part of a database by a nonprofit scientific or research institution, including an employee or agent of such institution acting within the scope of such employment or agency, for nonprofit scientific or research purposes shall not be prohibited by section 3 if the court determines that the making available in commerce of the information in the database is reasonable under the circumstances, taking into consideration the customary practices associated with such uses of such database by nonprofit scientific or research institutions and other factors that the court determines relevant./ / (c) HYPERLINKING- Nothing in this Act shall restrict the act of hyperlinking of one online location to another or the providing of a reference or pointer (including such reference or pointer in a directory or index) to a database./ / (d) NEWS REPORTING- Nothing in this Act shall restrict any person from making available in commerce information for the primary purpose of news reporting, including news and sports gathering, dissemination, and comment, unless the information is time sensitive and has been gathered by a news reporting entity, and making available in commerce the information is part of a consistent pattern engaged in for the purpose of direct competition. /

Shirley, Any book that is beyond the time limitation for copyright law is free and available for anyone to copy, transcribe, publish and/or post to the internet. What would not be ok is to copy someone else's transcription of the same book and publish it yourself, as if you did the work. Facts about ancestors are not trying to be copyrighted, the compiled package of facts is. Anyone is free to do the research work themselves and publish as they wish. It may sound like a broken record, but if you want to publish in any medium - go to the original source - like every good author, reporter, scholar or genealogist.

> Proposed Legislation Would Wreak Havoc for Genealogists and others, of course! > > A new bill before the U.S. Congress proposes to overturn one of the most fundamental concepts of the present copyright laws. If passed, facts would become copyrighted for the first time in U.S. history. > > The Database and Collections of Information Misappropriation Act (HR3261) would make it a crime for anyone to copy and redistribute a substantial portion of data collected by commercial database companies and list > publishers. At first, that sounds like a good idea. However, a bit more thought shows that nobody would be able to republish stock quotes, historical health data, sports scores, or voter lists. In fact, a lot of genealogy information could not be republished. > > If passed, Google and all the other search engines would be crippled, probably driven out of business. These are online databases that collect information, or facts, from other online sites so that the user can quickly find the information they seek. If Google and the others are not allowed to collect facts that are now copyrighted, how will they be able to index the Web for you? > > Art Brodsky, spokesman for public advocacy group Public Knowledge, says the bill would let anyone drop a fact into a database or a collection of materials and claim monopoly rights to it. This would contradict the core principle of the Copyright Act, which states that mere information and > ideas cannot be protected works. > > Let's say that a commercial genealogy service such as Ancestry.com or OneGreatFamily.com publishes the fact that your great-great-grandparents had a child named John. Once that "fact" has been published by any commercial service, that original publisher would hold the copyright on the > fact, and no one else would be allowed to publish it again. The Family History Library, the New England Historic Genealogical Society, Genealogical Publishing Company, and others would be prohibited from publishing that information again in any of their online or printed works. > In fact, private individuals would similarly be barred from publishing the information in their own derivative works. If a commercial site publishes a fact about your ancestors, you would not be able to place that fact on your own Web site or in any book or report that you give to others. > > The language in this proposed legislation contradicts the core principle of the present copyright acts, which state that mere information and ideas cannot be protected works. > > You can read more about this proposed legislation in Wired News at > http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,62500,00.html > >

I've seen this message on several lists now and it seems that what is not noticed is the term 'substantial portion'. Info about your wee ancestor is not a substantial portion of the copyrighted material. The proposed legislation is trying to stop people from copying a block of info (like a complete transcription of an early Wayne county history) and posting it for free, such as Usenet. It is their work of compiling the collection that they want to copyright. And rightly so.

Hello Indiana, I am new to your list and I hope to learn about a prison that was in Indiana in 1936. I had a cousin that was there in 1936, and I wonder if there is any prison records to be viewed any where? Or is there a way to find out about ones prison records there? Thanks, Penny (buried in the snow in Ohio)

A debate on this subject should not be held on this list, but I do need to make one comment. Yes, the Ancestral File is what is referred to below. However, if you find the name of the person you are researching in the IGI section, look to see where it came from. If it is an extracted record, then it came from actual church/civil records. Ruth Cherecwich In a message dated 3/16/2004 4:46:29 PM Mountain Standard Time, LAFinken@aol.com writes: Some of the LDS information submitted by members was done about 30 years ago when the Church asked members to try to submit their first 4 generations. Many submitted more if they had it. Some of the members were extremely enthusiastic and submitted what they had been told by their families. Most of our members had NO idea there would be anything like the Internet or Personal Computers or even sites such as this nor that many many others who are not members would ever even see what was submitted!!!

--part1_ae.52e30978.2d88eb8b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_ae.52e30978.2d88eb8b_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <OHFRANKL-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-xk05.mx.aol.com (rly-xk05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.42]) by air-xk02.mail.aol.com (v98.10) with ESMTP id MAILINXK24-59740578b8530e; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:20:08 -0500 Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [66.43.18.41]) by rly-xk05.mx.aol.com (v98.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXK51-59740578b8530e; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:19:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id i2GNJMu3017409; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:19:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:19:22 -0700 X-Original-Sender: vonville@mstar2.net Tue Mar 16 16:19:20 2004 Message-ID: <017201c40bad$816bf440$fc464bab@n8g3s0> From: "vonville" <vonville@mstar2.net> Old-To: <BUTTS-L@rootsweb.com>, <GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com>, <GUENTHER-L@rootsweb.com>, <GUNTER-L@rootsweb.com>, <GUNTHER-L@rootsweb.com>, <KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com>, <OH-BMD-L@rootsweb.com>, <OH-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com>, <OHCOSHOC-L@rootsweb.com>, <OH-FOOTSTEPS-L@rootsweb.com>, <OHFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com>, <OHHOLMES-L@rootsweb.com>, <OHIO-L@rootsweb.com>, <OHIO-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com>, <OHKNOX-L@rootsweb.com>, <OHPICKAW-L@rootsweb.com>, <OHROOTS-L@rootsweb.com>, <OLD-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com>, <PALANTINES-L@rootsweb.com>, <OH-Census-L@rootsweb.com> Old-Cc: <STARKEY-L@rootsweb.com>, "STARNER-L@rootsweb.com" <STARNER-L-request@rootsweb.com>, <SURNAMES-GERMAN-I-request@rootsweb.com>, <IRL-MAYO-L@rootsweb.com>, <STANTON-L@rootsweb.com>, <STANTON-UK-L@rootsweb.com>, <vonville@mstar2.net> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:21:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.38 Subject: [OHFranklin] Why "LDS"record confusion? Some reasons for some "LDS"/"Familysearch" records being confusing: May be copied and forwarded. Resent-Message-ID: <xKHnE.A.SPE.6t4VAB@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: OHFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: OHFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: OHFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <OHFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/14174 X-Loop: OHFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: OHFRANKL-L-request@rootsweb.com X-AOL-IP: 66.43.18.41 To any who are reading this email: Apparently, there is a need for this to be posted onto other sites other than the specific Rootsweb site to which it was originally posted. The following has been slightly changed in order to provide more explanation to those not of the original group. Permission is granted by me to send this on to any other family member or researcher or group which may need this explanation to help with their research and understanding, you do not need to contact me in order to do this. Just send it on; and, keep researching. [If anyone translates this into German, French, Spanish, Gaelic or Russian may I have a copy, please?] (NOTE: If the words are too spread out or large on a screen: then try clicking on this message and pressing (together) (Ctrl A) then (Ctrl C) [or Copy and Paste]; open an "New" Mail Message, put the cursor/arrow in the blank white area (where a message goes), click (Ctrl V) (together) [or whatever your program uses]; and, it should show up in the new mail message; if! not, then retry again pressing the keys more firmly. This original message is in the typeface called Arial and at 8 point and Bold (anything in red is done in ArialBLACK but, would be fine for copying in the Arial 8 Bold.) Thank you, M.M. Von Ville 16/MAR/04 ~ ...Some reasons for some "LDS"/"Familysearch" records being confusing... I am a not speaking as a Church official representative, just as a member; and, thru my following opinion, can explain some things which may seem confusing to, and have been questioned by, genealogical researchers here or elsewhere. Some of the LDS information submitted by members was done about 30 years ago when the Church asked members to try to submit their first 4 generations. Many submitted more if they had it. Some of the members were extremely enthusiastic and submitted what they had been told by their families. Most of our members had NO idea there would be anything like the Internet or Personal Computers or even sites such as this nor that many many others who are not members would ever even see what was submitted!!! We were doing what then seemed confusing to many of us; and, of course, mistakes were made out of enthusiasm and simply being new at it and untrained. The Church (The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints previously nicknamed "LDS" or "Mormons" ) did and still does have classes (anyone many attend.) Many years ago some were unable to attend classes and did the best they could with what they had. As members found more how to do this properly some of those same names were resubmitted with the information from whatever new sources were found resulting in spelling, date and many other differences than those first submissions. Again, please remember, we were new at this and not experts by any means! Current researchers should adhere to the best accepted genealogical procedure which is to go to the ORIGINAL sources and recheck the data. There are many positive things which can be said about the members' submissions: eg. if there are 3 different sources from different submissions at least a researcher has an idea of 3 different sources to check! Much better than having NO idea where to search or if there were other children or what the wife's name or mother's name or father's name and dates and places were! Personally, this past year I have received hundreds of years of validated information from the original source from the Internet; and, a non member whom I know, found 400 years of original sources and documented families in one search at the LDS www.familysearch.org site. There are many good, well identified and correct families and research there :) Researchers now have it so so much easier and can obtain information in an extremely short time instead of our months or years of waiting to find something which current researchers think nothing about now. I hope some of them appreciate what the members could do at the time because it was much of the base of the massive amount of information now available; and, many many thousands, if not millions, of them have been greatly helped in this great God-given Work. (Malachi, last Book in the Old Testament, Chapter 4, last Chapter in the Old Testament, and verse 6, last verse in the Old Testament is some Scriptural reason for us doing this; and, yes, we do believe that Elijah the prophet has already come; and, that this Work is of God who is the Heavenly Father of all humans who were, are and will be.) God bless all of you wonderful researchers! M.M. Von Ville, an LDS convert of many years who is grateful computers are making this Work so very much easier! P.S. An email site has been set up and will be checked occasionally. This is for convenience sake in the case that anyone may need some other appropriate further assistance regarding this message or questions or wishes to make other appropriate comments. The email is: myopinionNOTaChurchSite@hotmail.com and it IS MY opinion and IS NOT part of an LDS Church site! I am simply a member of the Church who saw a need of an explanation and have done my own personal genealogy for years in the "before computer methods"; and, in the last few years, thru "learning computer and the Internet." May God lead your "Hunt" in finding your family, ask God for help and listen to the answers! God may be the only one who knows where they really are! Miracles happen every day, you can have one or more, too, just ask sincerely and listen to God's still small voice. God does speak to his children and you ARE one of them, no matter what your conditions or situations may be!!! ~ ==== OHFRANKL Mailing List ==== This list is designed to provide a discussion forum for anyone who has an interest in Franklin County Ohio. To search this list go to http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl and enter OHFRANKL for the list name. --part1_ae.52e30978.2d88eb8b_boundary--

Could someone lookup Harriett Gephart daughter of Peter Gephart for me? The Gepharts were in Wayne County in the late 1800's and early 1900's. thank you in advance, jeanh

In a message dated 3/10/04 4:41:19 PM, fishing@kiva.net writes: << I am still looking for the names of Goettels that were in Wayne County from about 1850. >> TheMorrisson-Reeves library has a site that connects to a service searching newspaper records of Wayne Co. <A HREF="http://www.mrl.lib.in.us/online.html">Enter our Online Catalog</A> www.mrl.lib.in.us/webpacj/webclient.html After the site comes up, there is place to connect to the newspaper index.. Click that and there will be a screen to input surnames, etc. There was one Goettel listing for a Henry Goettel, from a newpaper dated in 1856. You can request the article. There is no info on the site as to what the article is about. The library people were very helpful when I visited them last year. Good Luck, Glen Russell

I am still looking for the names of Goettels that were in Wayne County from about 1850. If anyone runs across a Goettel get his name and write me. They had about all left Berks and near by counties in PA by the mid 1800. Larry Goettel

If anyone on the list cares to comment, please write to Kevin at kevgrand@uic.edu Happy Ancestoring !!! Mike P - ye ol list monitor -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Grandfield [mailto:kevgrand@uic.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 3:27 PM To: mmproctor@adelphia.net Subject: Wayne County genealogy Hi, Mike. Pardon the imposition, but I just found out that my ancestor got married in Wayne County and wondered if you might know some things about Wayne County genealogy/history that I don't. The info: 1863 09-28 (28 Sep) IN Wayne County marriage: Granfield, John m. Mary Grifin (sic), by J.M. Villars, Catholic priest, Witness Sol. Meredith: Book H, p. 426, Fiche 4319. The questions: This is the first record of John after he immigrates 19 Sep 1854. Any idea why or how he made his way to Wayne County? The next records we have are of a lifetime in Cincinnati. Do you think he was already there and came up to Wayne County to marry? My first theory was that the bride's family was there, but then I found other Granfield records in Wayne County (see below). If you have any suggestions where to look next for info, I would appreciate it. Thanks much, Kevin Grandfield in Chicago The other info: Grandfield, Geo H, M, W, 6, d. 31 Jan 1886/7 Richmond; Book CH-9, p. 96 Fiche ?; also Book H-20, p. 204 Fiche ?. Grandfield, _____, male, b. 11 Jun 1883, dad Geo H. mom Eliza Williams, Wayne County, IN; Book H-1, p. 100 Fiche 4316. Grandfield, _____, female, b. 29 May 1886, dad Geo H. mom Eliza Williams, Wayne County, IN; Book H-1, p. 301 Fiche 4316; CH-1, p. 121 Fiche 4316 1889 11-02 (02 Nov) IN Wayne County marriage: Granfield, Christena age 16, Father Daniel Granfield, mother _____ Jones, Bartholomew Cty: Book H-1, p. 125 Fiche 3828

oops..I did find him. Thomas Hughes 1820 IN Cencus He was listed as white male 45+ and over, with one one white female under 10. Listed as a manufacturer. Mark Davis Stone Saver Cemetery Restoration ---- Original Message ---- From: md9105@skyenet.net To: WAYNE_IN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Wayne Co Ind] FW: census information Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 04:01:27 -00 > I didn't find him in the 1820 IN cencus. > >Mark Davis >Stone Saver Cemetery Restoration > > >---- Original Message ---- >From: mmproctor@adelphia.net >To: WAYNE_IN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [Wayne Co Ind] FW: census information >Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 00:08:54 -0500 > >> >> >>If you have any info that could help Larry, please write to him at: >> >> >> >>greenhead@earthlink.net >> >> >> >> >> >>Thanks !! >> >> >> >> >> >>Mike P - ye ol list monitor >> >> >> >> >> >> _____ >> >>From: larry brule [mailto:greenhead@earthlink.net] >>Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 11:28 PM >>To: mmproctor@adelphia.net >>Subject: census information >> >> >> >>Hi Mike, >> >>Do you have any census info from 1810, 1820 for Wayne co. I'm >looking >>for >>Thomas Hughes, born in 1755. We think he is there in this time >farme. >>One >>researcher has found him selling land in Sullivan co, TN where he >had >>lived >>from 1815 to 1817 from Wayne co. I don't know where to start to get >>this >>info from your site. Please help if you can. >> >>Larry >> >> >> >>larry brule >> >>greenhead@earthlink.net >> >>Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. >> >> >> >> >> > >

I didn't find him in the 1820 IN cencus. Mark Davis Stone Saver Cemetery Restoration ---- Original Message ---- From: mmproctor@adelphia.net To: WAYNE_IN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Wayne Co Ind] FW: census information Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 00:08:54 -0500 > > >If you have any info that could help Larry, please write to him at: > > > >greenhead@earthlink.net > > > > > >Thanks !! > > > > > >Mike P - ye ol list monitor > > > > > > _____ > >From: larry brule [mailto:greenhead@earthlink.net] >Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 11:28 PM >To: mmproctor@adelphia.net >Subject: census information > > > >Hi Mike, > >Do you have any census info from 1810, 1820 for Wayne co. I'm looking >for >Thomas Hughes, born in 1755. We think he is there in this time farme. >One >researcher has found him selling land in Sullivan co, TN where he had >lived >from 1815 to 1817 from Wayne co. I don't know where to start to get >this >info from your site. Please help if you can. > >Larry > > > >larry brule > >greenhead@earthlink.net > >Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > > > > >

From 1820 Indiana Census Index at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~inripchs/1820/census.html HUGHES, THOMAS - microfilm page 197 - County Wayne From the book "Early Settlers of Indiana's "Gore" 1803-1820" page 229: Township 12, Range 2W Section 22 - Thomas Hughes - 1809 - page 19 Union County Original Land Entries Tract Book This part of Union Co. had been Wayne Co. until 1821. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Proctor <mmproctor@adelphia.net> To: <WAYNE_IN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 9:08 PM Subject: [Wayne Co Ind] FW: census information > > > If you have any info that could help Larry, please write to him at: > > > > greenhead@earthlink.net > > > > > > Thanks !! > > > > > > Mike P - ye ol list monitor > > > > > > _____ > > From: larry brule [mailto:greenhead@earthlink.net] > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 11:28 PM > To: mmproctor@adelphia.net > Subject: census information > > > > Hi Mike, > > Do you have any census info from 1810, 1820 for Wayne co. I'm looking for > Thomas Hughes, born in 1755. We think he is there in this time farme. One > researcher has found him selling land in Sullivan co, TN where he had lived > from 1815 to 1817 from Wayne co. I don't know where to start to get this > info from your site. Please help if you can. > > Larry > > > > larry brule > > greenhead@earthlink.net > > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > > > > >

If you have any info that could help Larry, please write to him at: greenhead@earthlink.net Thanks !! Mike P - ye ol list monitor _____ From: larry brule [mailto:greenhead@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 11:28 PM To: mmproctor@adelphia.net Subject: census information Hi Mike, Do you have any census info from 1810, 1820 for Wayne co. I'm looking for Thomas Hughes, born in 1755. We think he is there in this time farme. One researcher has found him selling land in Sullivan co, TN where he had lived from 1815 to 1817 from Wayne co. I don't know where to start to get this info from your site. Please help if you can. Larry larry brule greenhead@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.