The website for the UK surname maps is www.spatial-literacy.org There are two sets of maps, from recent and old (1881) censuses. The website also gives details of emigration - for example, there are more Waughs in Australia per 1000 population than there are in Scotland. In the 1881 map, the waughs are concentrated around the western end of the Scottish/English Border. The maps don't cover Northern Ireland. Pity, because after the Plantation of Ulster in the 1600s, lots of Scottish borderers moved there - which is why i think so many Waughs in the USA can trace ancestors back to Ireland but not Scotland. Though by 1881 they may well have migrated on, after the potato famine? There are not many waughs in Ulster today. Some families moved back to Scotland. Although we think of the name as a Scottish border one, it probably comes from an earlier border in the same region, between Anglo-saxon Northumbria and the celtic kingdoms to the west. The name may be Germanic (or rather, Old English) in origin, and meaning a non-English-speaking person (like the surname Welsh, also common in the same area). And a Happy New Year to you all. Norman Waugh

Not sure who wrote these comments in the below quoted post received with the URL to the CASA site, Pauline or Norman? After looking there, I don't understand some of your comments, such as there being more Waughs in Australia per 1000 than in Scotland. Where did you get that info? What year does that hold true? I don't even see Scotland listed separately, only data for Great Britain. Also, I see in the 1881 map an equal density of Waughs across the border region, east to west not concentrated in the West as you say. In fact there is a higher concentration near the border area in the East of northern England, so combined that seems to be the opposite of what you say. On the 1998 map, though still showing a high density across the whole border area east to west, there is a higher concentration at the western end of the border area in Northern England, but a next highest density area spread further north and south along the east coast of northern England and southern Scotland. Are we looking at the same site? I'd be pleased to learn where you got that information to base your comments about the number of Waughs in Australia compared to Scotland. Thanks in advance for your clarifications. John Waugh Portland, Maine, USA Responding to the following quoted message RECEIVED 06:47 12 30 2006, FROM Pauline Waugh : QUOTE: The website for the UK surname maps is www.spatial-literacy.org There are two sets of maps, from recent and old (1881) censuses. The website also gives details of emigration - for example, there are more Waughs in Australia per 1000 population than there are in Scotland. In the 1881 map, the waughs are concentrated around the western end of the Scottish/English Border. The maps don't cover Northern Ireland. Pity, because after the Plantation of Ulster in the 1600s, lots of Scottish borderers moved there - which is why i think so many Waughs in the USA can trace ancestors back to Ireland but not Scotland. Though by 1881 they may well have migrated on, after the potato famine? There are not many waughs in Ulster today. Some families moved back to Scotland. Although we think of the name as a Scottish border one, it probably comes >from an earlier border in the same region, between Anglo-saxon Northumbria and the celtic kingdoms to the west. The name may be Germanic (or rather, Old English) in origin, and meaning a non-English-speaking person (like the surname Welsh, also common in the same area). And a Happy New Year to you all. Norman Waugh END-QUOTED.

John The comments were from Norman When you do a search for a surname, the menu bar above the map has a couple of other items, one being geographical location, which is where the Australian rate comes from. You are right that it's compared to UK not just Scotland. The maps use quite broad regions. So the western side of the Scottihs Border region uses the whole of Dumfries and Galloway, whereas most of the Waughs in D and G are in Dumfriesshire. I guess i was using other knowledge when making my comments. Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Waugh" <waugh.dube.dunn.lacroix@gmx.net> To: <waugh@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [WAUGH] surname maps > > Not sure who wrote these comments in the below quoted post received with > the URL to the CASA site, Pauline or Norman? > > After looking there, I don't understand some of your comments, such as > there being more Waughs in Australia per 1000 than in Scotland. Where did > you get that info? What year does that hold true? I don't even see > Scotland listed separately, only data for Great Britain. > > Also, I see in the 1881 map an equal density of Waughs across the border > region, east to west not concentrated in the West as you say. In fact > there is a higher concentration near the border area in the East of > northern England, so combined that seems to be the opposite of what you > say. > > On the 1998 map, though still showing a high density across the whole > border area east to west, there is a higher concentration at the western > end of the border area in Northern England, but a next highest density > area spread further north and south along the east coast of northern > England and southern Scotland. > > Are we looking at the same site? > > I'd be pleased to learn where you got that information to base your > comments about the number of Waughs in Australia compared to Scotland. > > > Thanks in advance for your clarifications. > > John Waugh > Portland, Maine, USA > > > > Responding to the following quoted message RECEIVED 06:47 12 30 2006, > FROM Pauline Waugh : > QUOTE: > The website for the UK surname maps is www.spatial-literacy.org > > There are two sets of maps, from recent and old (1881) censuses. The > website > also gives details of emigration - for example, there are more Waughs in > Australia per 1000 population than there are in Scotland. > In the 1881 map, the waughs are concentrated around the western end of the > Scottish/English Border. The maps don't cover Northern Ireland. Pity, > because after the Plantation of Ulster in the 1600s, lots of Scottish > borderers moved there - which is why i think so many Waughs in the USA can > trace ancestors back to Ireland but not Scotland. Though by 1881 they may > well have migrated on, after the potato famine? There are not many waughs > in > Ulster today. Some families moved back to Scotland. > Although we think of the name as a Scottish border one, it probably comes >>from an earlier border in the same region, between Anglo-saxon Northumbria > and the celtic kingdoms to the west. The name may be Germanic (or rather, > Old English) in origin, and meaning a non-English-speaking person (like > the > surname Welsh, also common in the same area). > > And a Happy New Year to you all. > > Norman Waugh > > > END-QUOTED. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WAUGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message