THE TIME HAS COME -- YOUR HELP IS NEEDED NOW! For some time discussions have been taking place regarding the possibility of taking the federal government to Court to obtain a 'writ of mandamus'. If this action is successful - and we have every reason to believe it would be - it would force Statistics Canada to turn control of the 1906 Special Census of the Western Provinces (Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba) over to the National Archivist for immediate release to the Public. Such release would be in accordance with Regulations attached to the Privacy Act. A successful action to obtain the 1906 Census would likely set the precedent we need for the the 1911 and subsequent Census records to be made available to the public in accordance with Regulations attached to the Privacy Act. Lois Sparling, a lawyer in Calgary - and an active participant in our campaign - has been making preliminary preparations for such an action. Several plaintiffs have been lined up and an estimate of costs for proceeding has been put together. Lois will be contributing her time, but even considering that, it is expected that costs could be about $8000. This includes provision for the remote possibility that costs could be assessed against the plaintiffs. Over the course of our campaign several people have made offers of financial assistance to aid in our efforts. Up to now these offers have been refused with thanks. However, as the Walrus said in Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland - ' The time has come.' We are now seeking your assistance in providing the funding necessary to proceed with our action against the government. Without the necessary funding we will be unable to proceed! The estimated $8,000 required is made up of approximately $3,000 expected to be needed for expenses (no legal fees), couriers, long distance telephone calls and faxes, filing fees and the cost of transcripts. The balance ($5,000) is to protect the Plaintiffs in the unlikely event that costs are assessed against us by the Court. It is unlikely that costs will be awarded against us because, first of all, we would have to lose, and secondly, the Federal Court is reluctant to award costs against Plaintiffs in a public interest case. It is expected that we may be in a position to refund part of these donations. We believe the fair thing is to make the refunds on a pro rata basis, i.e. a percentage to everybody. There are practical limitations to this however. We cannot possibly do this for a lot of $5 donations. Therefore, pro rated refunds will be made for only those donations of $100 (Cdn) or more. We suggest that people get together to combine their donations. Approach your local genealogical and historical associations to make a contribution. Pass the hat at your meetings and send a cheque from your local group. In that way your local group will get any refund that might be forthcoming. Send your cheques to: Lois Sparling Vallance & Company Barristers & Solicitors Suite 1400 550 - 6 Ave SW Calgary, Alberta T2V 3H4 Cheques should be made out to "Lois Sparling - in trust". Make the notation "Census Action" on the cheque. Lois will be the lawyer representing the Plaintiffs in the case. The funds will be deposited to her trust account. Lois has the means to accept US and other foreign currencies, and can also accept contributions through VISA. Transactions through VISA however, are more trouble than cheques -- and each transaction costs us 2.4 percent. A receipt will be issued for each and every contribution received. It will keep costs down if groups can collect from their members and send one cheque thus requiring the need to issue only one receipt. Make sure to include a covering letter or note with your full name and mailing address. As noted above, Lois is donating her time and expertise, and no part of the monies contributed to the legal case, other than costs, will go to her. A huge amount of work is involved in this action. Two other lawyers have offered assistance -- one from her office, and another member of the AFHS -- their experience in this kind of action, however, is limited. Normally the loser in a court action pays costs to the winner. These costs follow a chart set out in the relevant Rules of Court and are only intended to be a partial payment of legal fees. If our Plaintiffs are awarded costs it is felt that Lois, and the assisting lawyers, should get this money as partial reimbursement for their time, effort and expertise, aka their legal fees. (This request for financial assistance received prior approval by RootsWeb administration.) Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index.htm en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

Greetings All. Christmas is over and we are now into the new year -- 2002. Time to get back to work. The next Town Hall meetings are coming up on 7, 9, and 11 January in Halifax, Toronto, and Montreal respectively. Not much time left. While I have been advised of some participants scheduled for these meetings, there are certainly others that I am not aware of. It would be appreciated if anyone scheduled to speak or attend these meetings would please advise me. >From the Ottawa meetings it is obvious that Statistics Canada has directed Environics to be on the lookout for certain things. Questions asked by the moderator show that they are looking for any indication that knowledge Census records would be released after 92 years will lessen individuals participation in Census, or lessen their trust in Statistics Canada in general. Presentations to the Town Hall meetings should include wording that would show just the opposite -- participation in Census and trust in Statistics Canada would increase with knowledge of eventual release of Census records. Chief Statistician Dr. Ivan Fellegi has changed the focus of his attack on our efforts from the strictly legal (because he knows he would lose), to one of a fear of lessening the integrity of the statistical agency. He still insists on promoting the non-existant 'promise' of never-ending confidentiality even though he has been unable to produce any documented evidence of it. Our counter to their insistance there is a 'promise' is to ask them to produce evidence of it. The legislation quoted by them certainly does not contain any 'promise' that confidentiality of Census will never end. Another main thrust of the Town Hall meetings is to promote the so-called 'Compromise Solution'. Copies of this 'compromise' were made available to all attending the Ottawa meeting and it is expected that this will be repeated at all upcoming meetings. Every speaker at the Ottawa meeting was asked if the 'compromise' was something they could support. Every speaker rejected it. To see a copy of this 'compromise', and my critique of it, visit my column regarding it at http://globalgazette.net/gazce/gazce74.htm After reading the 'compromise' please send me your comments regarding it. Please make your comments relevant to the 'compromise' suggested rather than to my critique. I will be sending many of these to Environics and Statistics Canada. My intent at this time would be to include senders names (unless requested not to) but not email or snail mail addresses. Further reports of the Ottawa Town Hall meeting and a critique of Dr. Ivan Fellegi's presentation to the Senate Committee is in my column at http://globalgazette.net/gazce/gazce75.htm The full schedule of Town Hall meetings, and information regarding how to register as a speaker or to attend as part of the audience, is at the Environics Research Group website at http://erg.environics.net/ Obtaining information regarding the Town Hall meetings is relatively simple -- that is available from those who request to participate or attend, and who give us reports on what has taken place. Getting information regarding what takes place in the Focus Group studies that follow each Town Hall meeting is quite another thing. Participants in the Focus Groups do not apply or volunteer as is the case for the Town Hall meetings -- they are chosen at random through telephone polls and must meet certain criteria to be accepted. We know little about the criteria, or about information given and questions asked of participants. We would appreciate anyone participating in these Focus Groups letting us know what takes place in them. We cannot stress enough the importance of participating in these Town Hall meetings. The worst thing we can do is have any of these meetings take place without our presence. Please keep us up to date on what happens at these meetings. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index.htm en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

Greetings All On behalf of myself, and the other members of the Canada Census Committee, I wish to extend sincere wishes to all for the Merriest of Christmas's and the Happiest of New Years. Most of all -- please make it a safe Holiday Season. We wish to see all return after the Holidays. Don't become one of the statistics -- unless it has to do with a birth or marriage. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-chair, Canada Census Committee Permission to forward without notice is granted

Greetings All. At the request of Senator Lorna Milne I am forwarding her message as follows =============================== To all the members of the Canada Census Campaign, and everyone else who has put so very much effort into the e-mail, letter and petition campaign. My bill is now at third reading stage in the Senate. I have postponed my third reading speech until the Senate returns at the beginning of February, 2002, so that it will be fresh in the Senators' minds during the debate. I firmly believe that out campaign is going very well, thanks to all the help you have given it --- such tremendous input from so many highly intelligent and highly qualified people. The latest Stats Canada ploy, the Town Hall meetings and Forum discussions, have started very well from our point of view. You already know that Stats Canada has had to resort to using Gordon's analysis of the "compromise solution" lifted straight off his webb site. Also their expert witness, who I am sure they expected to support the privacy aspect at the Ottawa meeting, came down strongly on the side of release of the historic census! I wish you all a very happy Christmas with your families and your friends. Ross and I will be in Calgary with our grandchildren, on whose behalf I am fighting this battle. We will touch base again in the New Year. Many thanks, Senator Lorna Milne

Greetings All. For some time we have been hearing about a "compromise solution" to the Census issue that Statistics Canada and former Privacy Commissioner Bruce Phillips felt would meet the needs of genealogists and historians seeking access to Post 1901 Census records. Current Privacy Commissioner George Radwanski has stated that the 'compromise' is something that he can accept. It has been mentioned in Hansard for the Senate, recent responses from MPs and certain Senators mention it, Neil Sheridan and George Radwanski supported it in Senate Committee hearings in September, and now it has been used in the Ottawa Town Hall meeting. It might be stretching things at this point to suggest that the 'compromise' is being 'pushed' at the Town Hall meetings but copies of it were made available to everyone attending the meetings, and every presenter was asked if they could support it. It is my understanding that without exception, every presenter rejected it out of hand as being too restrictive and unworkable. Following the Senate Committee hearings I attended in September I was able to obtain a copy of the "compromise" and have done a thorough examination of it. I agree with the assessment of the presenters of the Ottawa Town Hall meetings. The so-called 'compromise', in my opinion, is no 'compromise' at all, and in fact is so restrictive as to be little better than no access at all. I have done a critique of this document, and included it in my latest column for the Global Gazette. Because of the length of it I will not post it in this message. The critique may be accessed at the following URL. http://globalgazette.net/gazce/gazce74.htm Like Environics and Statistics Canada, I am very interested in knowing how you feel about the so-called 'compromise solution'. After reading it I would ask that you send me a message stating your feelings about the 'compromise' suggested. Please limit your comments to what you feel about the 'compromise' suggested rather than my critique of the various sections. Place in the subject line of the message only 'Compromise Solution' without the quotation marks. I have set up filters in my email program to funnel these messages into a specific folder. My intention is to send these comments to Environics and/or Statistics Canada. My next column for the Global Gazette, which I am writing at this time, will include a critique of Dr. Ivan Fellegi's presentation to the Senate Committee. It should be online before the end of the week. I look forward to your comments. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted.

I found a Luther T Watts in 1880 Census in Larissa, Cherokee County, Texas. This what the Census said Luther T Watts age 31 husband Abbie Watts age 16 wife Could this be my greatgrandfather and was he married twice? Luther Texas Watts born abt.1851. Died in 1920 at the age of 69 or 70. in the White Flat Cemetery,Greer County, Oklahoma he married Virginia Monkres on 14 Dec 1884.the marriage was witness on 14 Jan 1885 and record on 4th Feb 1885. They were living in Thackerville.Love Co. Ok but were married in Gainesville, Cooke Co., TX. Luther could have been born in TX or MO even TN. Luther "Texas" Watts left home when he was 16. Where is home? Who were his parents? I know that when Luther was 16 his parents died. His brothers and sister were fighting over their estate. He got on his horse and rode away never to see or hear or talk about again not even to his family. He died in Greer County, Ok was once apart of Texas. Could he have move back where he was born the last few years of his live? Their children were: 1 Maggie b 1886 d 1921 m Charlie Dalton 2 Maude b 1888 d 1955 3 Pearl b 1890 d in El Paso, TX m Jessey Dalton(JD) 4 Cora b 1891 5.* Emmett Edger Watts b Nov.2,1892 in Marietta, Love Co. Oklahoma. Married Margaret Ural Scivally on Nov. 11,1911 in Indian Territory, Old Greer Co. Ok. He died in Van Nuys,Ca. Nov 30,1968. Ural was the daughter of James Calvin Scivally and Margaret Ann ( Mattie) Martin Scivally. I have a Copy of there marriage records: States that Emmett was 19 and Ural was 16 at the time of their marriage. L T Watts and J C Scivally had to sign for them. Emmett was living in Reed, Greer Co. Ok and Ural was living in Vinson, Harrison County, OK at the time of their marriage. Ural died 1 Feb 1977 in Van Nuys, Ca. 6 John Wesley Watts b April 25,1894 in Indian Territory ,Ok. Died in Olustee, JacksonCo.OK. He was married twice. 2nd wife was Gracie L, Glenn. John and his wives were childless. 7 William H Watts b 1898 died 1978 8 Bert b 1899 9 Dorothy Mabel Watts b. May 14,1900 in Ok. Died June 1980 in Arp.SmithCo,Tx. Married Orion D Browder. 10 Euel J Watts (Jack or Buster) b 1909 in Ok. Died 1978 in Albuquerque,N.M. Married Bessie 11 Fannie Wigginton/Watts b 13 Oct 1880 d 2 Feb 1956. She is the daughter of Virginia Monkres and Mr. Wigginton. Fannie First married a man name Nelson (Will?). He went to town and never came back. STORY: Luther went to get her and took to her to town and that is when she found out he was in jail for counterfeiting. She could have been pregnant at this time, but because all this she lost the baby. Fannie Second husband was GEORGE L CLINE IN 1901 IN TX. Their first child was Ernest C b 1903 in Marietta,Love County, Ok. Ernest died in 1904 and is buried in Marietta, Ok. I hope someone is look for him Janet http://www.geocities.com/janet_ariciu

Greetings All. Sound the Trumpets!! Ring the Bells!! Shout it from the rooftops!! I have just received a telephone call from the Office of Senator Lorna Milne. The Senate Standing Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology has PASSED Bill S-12 - An Act to Amend the National Archives of Canada Act and Statistics Act (census records), WITHOUT AMENDMENT. The Bill will now be referred back to the Senate in Report Stage and will receive more debate. We are optimistic that following that debate Bill S-12 will pass third reading and be referred to the House of Commons. We still have a ways to go, but having the Senate Committee pass this Bill, especially without amendment, has been a major step towards achieving our goal of regaining the public access to Historic Census records that we are presently denied. While passed without amendment, the Senate Committee did have some observations to make regarding the Bill. I am not at this time aware of what those observation are, but will post them as soon as I know what they are. Having passed this stage does not mean that we can let up on our efforts to let MPs and Senators how we feel regarding this issue. I encourage you to write the Members of the Senate Committee thanking them for their accepting Bill S-12. Write other Senators to encourage them to support the Bill in debate and to vote to pass the Bill in third reading. Write the MPs as well to seek their support when the Bill is referred to the House of Commons. Continue to collect signatures on our petitions. We need to tell our representative in Parliament that it is not just a handful of genealogists and historians that seek access to these records -- it is the people of Canada who do so. This morning I am a 'happy camper'. Please forward this news to all mail lists to which you belong. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

Greetings All. I have received a list of times and dates of most of the Town Hall Meetings for expressing opinions regarding public access to Post 1901 Census records. (Their ad mentions only the 1906 and 1911 Census') There appears to be fewer meetings than expected, and if I learn of others I will post that information as soon as I get it. I copy the list of meetings below. It appears that anyone wishing to speak on the subject will be given a 15 minute time slot in which to do so. As sessions are slated to last two hours, this means that a maximum of 8 speakers will have the opportunity to speak in each session -- 16 speakers maximum in each location. Practically speaking, with administration overhead time required for each session the numbers of speakers may be reduced if they stick strictly to the two hour time period for each session. Presenters, in either English or French, will be chosen on a first come, first serve basis. Regardless of what location you will attend, if you wish to speak to the issue, contact Environics NOW -- TODAY to inform them of your desire to speak. If you wait you will be unlikely to obtain a spot to speak. Contact them by telephone at 613-230-5089 or by email at [email protected] I have already sent my request to be a speaker at the Vancouver meeting. I am advised that for those not wishing to speak, but who wish to attend the meetings, there will be room for spectators. We hope that there will be a good attendance at all of these meeting to show that we are interested in what happens at them. I would appreciate being informed by those who are accepted as speakers as to where and when they will be speaking. So that the greatest possible number of people can be made aware of these meetings, please circulate this message to others, and forward it to other mail lists. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. OTTAWA, ONTARIO December 14th, 2-4pm & 6-8pm Marriott Residence Inn 161 Laurier Ave. HALIFAX, NOVA SCOTIA January 7th, 2-4pm & 6-8pm The Westin Nova Scotian 1181 Hollis St. TORONTO, ONTARIO January 9th, 2-4pm & 6-8pn Crowne Plaza Toronto Centre 225 Front St. West MONTREAL, QUEBEC January 11th, 2-4pm & 6-8pm Renaissance Montreal Hotel 3625 Avenue du Parc FREDERICTON, NEW BRUNSWICK January 14th, 2-4pm & 6-8pm Fort Beaverbrook Hotel 659 Queen Street CHARLOTTETOWN, P.E.I. January 16th, 2-4pm & 6-8pm Delta Prince Edward 18 Queen St. ST. JOHN'S NEWFOUNDLAND January 18th, 2-4pm & 6-8pm The Fairmont Newfoundland Cavendish Square REGINA, SASKATCHEWAN January 25th, 2-4pm & 6-8pm The Regina Inn 1975 Broad Street EDMONTON, ALBERTA January 28th, 2-4pm & 6-8pm The Westin Hotel 10135-100 Street VANCOUVER, BRITISH COLUMBIA February 4th, 2-4pm & 6-8pm Century Plaza Hotel and Spa 1015 Burrard St.

Greetings All. I have today been advised that the Ottawa Citizen newspaper today (Thursday) had an ad on page A7 advertising the first of Statistics Canada's Town Hall meetings -- the first of Industry Minister Brian Tobin's announced "further broad based consultations with all Canadians" regarding public access to Historic Census Records. What is interesting about this ad is the heading of it, which was reported to me as "Express your views and opinions on releasing the individual 1906 and 1911 census questionairres." While only the 1906 and 1911 Census' are mentioned, it is expected that these hearings will have a bearing on access of later Census as well. Environics Research Group has been contracted to conduct Town Hall Meetings in 14 major centers in each of the Provinces and Territories, as well as two focus group surveys in each of these centers. This is the same company that conducted the focus groups and national surveys by Statistics Canada for the Expert Panel on Access to Historical Census Records. The first meetings are to be held in Ottawa. Date: Friday 14 December 2001 One from 2:00 - 4:00 PM and another from 6:00 - 8:00 PM. Location: Sir Guy Carleton Room, Mariott Residence Inn 161 Laurier Ave. West, Ottawa Presentations are in English or French on a first come, first served basis. To confirm attendance, which they request, once can call (613) 230-5089 or email [email protected] There is some concern, because attendence is requested to be confirmed in advance, that these meetings will not be as open as one might hope. We sincerely hope that no one who wishes to attend will be prevented from doing so. Information regarding these meetings is expected to be on websites for both Statistics Canada and Environics Research, however, at the time of this writing, the Environics sites are 'under construction' and there is nothing on the Statistics Canada website as yet. Perhaps there will be tomorrow. Environcs Research's home page is located at http://erg.environics.net/ On the upper left side, links for English and French are shown under a heading of "Census Consultations" The link given for Statistic Canada was http://www.statcan.ca/english/census96/histcrd.htm which is the same page on Statistics Canada's website on which the link to information on the Expert Panel is located. It is vitally important that those who wish to see public access to Historic Census Records make an effort to attend these meetings, and express their opinions regarding access. If we do not do so we stand a chance of losing these records forever. It is our feeling that the focus groups and surveys conducted for the Expert Panel were biased towards obtaining a negative response to access. We are concerned that information provided and questions asked during these town hall meetings and focus groups will be similarly biased. I have attempted to obtain information from Dr. Ivan Fellegi, Chief Statistician of Canada, regarding what information would be provided to participants, and what questions would be asked of them. So far he has declined to respond. I would appreciate it if some-one attending these meetings would let me know what transpired and how they felt the proceedings had gone. Let us know as accurately as possible what information was given and what questions asked. I am particularly interested in knowing if the unsubstantiated "promise" of Statistics Canada is introduced, and what degree of emphasis is placed on it. I would like to think that a transcript of the proceedings will be kept and made available to the public, but I think the odds are against this happening. Watch your local newspapers for notices of meetings and focus groups to be held in your area. Meetings in other areas are expected to be held in December and January. Final reports from Environics are to be given to Statistics Canada by 15 February 2002. I cannot stress enough the importance of attending these meetings to let those conducting them know that we need, and want access to the Post 1901 Census records on the same basis as those up to and including 1901 have been, and still are. Please forward this message to all Ontario mail lists. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted.

I can't help on the Watts but my earliest Duff in the US is Alexander MacDuff Marriages and children Married to Helen Grant, with Eleanor Duff William Duff My Lane line is William Lane Born in 1678 - Northumberland Co. VA Died in 1760 - Westmorland Co VA Marriages and children Married in 1708, Westmoreland Va, to Martha Carr 1680, with James 1718-1790 James married a descendant of Eleanor Duff. Notes CULPEPER COUNTY, VIRGINIA - 1810 CENSUS, PART 1 OF 4 NAME (LAST, FIRST) A B C D E F G H I J K L CRENSHAW, NICHOLAS 2 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 5 LANE, WM A. 0 1 0 1 0 3 0 0 1 0 8 13 To include Watts information, Betsy Crenshaw, dau. of William and Sarah Baker Crenshaw married a David Watts on 7 Oct. 1799. David Crenshaw Watts Born in 1809 Marriages and children Married on 3 February 1864 to Synthia Jane Herndon, with Laura Ann Ed Willie My Watts line is from Maryland to Ohio. They might have started out from Cumberland Co England. Chuck Gibson On Wednesday 05 December 2001 07:16 pm, jane combs wrote: > I need help on these families. Frederick Watts b. Culpepper Co., VA m. > Betsey Kabler. Their dau was Catherine Watts b. 1777. She married Elijah > Butler on 26 Jan.1798 in Culpepper Co., VA. Elijah was b. 1773 in VA and > d. 1814 in Oglethorpe Co., GA. Their children were: Frederick, Elizabeth, > William, Nancy, Jesse E. and an un named dau. Any help greatly appreciated. > Thank you. > Jane Combs in TX > > [email protected] > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/c/o/m/Jane-A-Combs/ > My Roots: Arthur, Baldwin, Burns, Butler, Clements, Combs, Crawford, > Culver, Duff, Duke(s), Faris/Farris, French, Johnson, Jones, Kelly/Kelley, > Lambert, Lane, Martin, Oliver, Reeves, Reynolds, Rhoten, Rosenberg, > Schwar(t)z, Sorrow, Walker, Watts, Whitehurst > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.306 / Virus Database: 166 - Release Date: 12/4/01

I need help on these families. Frederick Watts b. Culpepper Co., VA m. Betsey Kabler. Their dau was Catherine Watts b. 1777. She married Elijah Butler on 26 Jan.1798 in Culpepper Co., VA. Elijah was b. 1773 in VA and d. 1814 in Oglethorpe Co., GA. Their children were: Frederick, Elizabeth, William, Nancy, Jesse E. and an un named dau. Any help greatly appreciated. Thank you. Jane Combs in TX [email protected] http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/c/o/m/Jane-A-Combs/ My Roots: Arthur, Baldwin, Burns, Butler, Clements, Combs, Crawford, Culver, Duff, Duke(s), Faris/Farris, French, Johnson, Jones, Kelly/Kelley, Lambert, Lane, Martin, Oliver, Reeves, Reynolds, Rhoten, Rosenberg, Schwar(t)z, Sorrow, Walker, Watts, Whitehurst --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.306 / Virus Database: 166 - Release Date: 12/4/01

Greetings All. I have recently been advised that the Senate Standing Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology have postponed clause by clause deliberation on Senator Lorna Milne's Bill S-12 An Act to Amend the Access to Information and Statistics Act (census records). This deliberation, originally scheduled for 6 December 2001, will now be held 12 December 2001. Following this, Bill S-12 will be returned to the Senate for Report Stage and further discussion. We hope that the Senate Standing Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology will recommend acceptance of S-12 without any major changes. Although MP Murray Calder's Bill C-312 has been deemed non-votable, along with every other Private Member Bill considered at the same time, it will receive up to one hour debate in the House of Commons before being dropped from the Order Paper. It is expected that this debate will take place on 11 December and will be broadcast on CPAC. There is a possibility, because a budget is expected to be brought down on that day, that debate on C-312 will be delayed. I will post a message regarding any delay as soon as I am informed regarding it. In this time of activity regarding S-12 and C-312, it is important to keep up our efforts to bring these to the attention of our MPs, Senators and Ministers. Keep sending your letters and email, and signing petitions. Both are important. Send your representatives a Christmas wish and ask for their support at the same time. While letters and email keep individual MPs and Senators keep them aware of our personal feelings, we have no way of tracking numbers sent. Numbers of signatures on petitions are a visible indication of support for our efforts that can be tracked and totalled. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

Greetings All. We have today been advised from the office of MP Murray Calder that his Bill C-312 has been deemed to be non-votable. As a result it will receive only one hour of debate in the House of Commons and will then be be dropped from the Order paper. This is hardly worthy of a Bill regarding an issue which has received in excess of 40,000 signatures seeking support for public access to Post 1901 Census Records. This news has been a great disappointment. We had hoped that C-312 would be considered votable and would at least receive the three hours debate alloted to votable Private Member Bills. Members of the sub-committee of the House Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs that made this decision were as follows: Carolyn Parrish [email protected] Michel Guimond [email protected] Jay Hill [email protected] Bill Blaikie [email protected] Garry Breitkreuz [email protected] Marcel Proulx [email protected] Email addresses have been provided for those who might be inclined to send an email to the members of this sub-committee to express their disappointment with their decision. I for one will be sending such a message. I also received word today that the Senate Standing Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology will be meeting 6 December 2001 for clause-by-clause consideration of Bill S-12 - An Act to amend the Statistics Act and the National Archives of Canada Act (census records). Following the clause-by-clause consideration, S-12 will be returned to the Senate for Report stage. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted.

Luther Texas Watts born abt.1851. Died in 1920 at the age of 69 or 70. in the White Flat Cemetery,Greer County, Oklahoma. The graves read. Watts Luther T; 1851-1920 Row 7; Watts, Virginia; 1866-1938'W/o L/T. Not sure of age because don't know when his birthday was. In Greer County, Oklahoma there was census take show ,that at the time of the Census he was 69 years old. In Texas he married Virginia Monkres on 14 Dec 1884.the marriage was witness on 14 Jan 1885 and record on 4th Feb 1885 Story goes: Luther Texas Watts left home when he was 16. Where is home? Who were his parents? I know that when Luther was 16 his parents died. His brothers and sister were fighting over their estate. He got on his horse and rode away never to see or hear or talk about again not even to his family. Greer County, Ok was once apart of Texas. Could he have move back where he was born the last few years of his live? For Greer Co. OK was part of Texas at the time of his birth. Luther and Virginia children: 1 Maggie b 1886 d 1921 m Charlie Dalton 2 Maude b 1888 d 1955 3 Pearl b 1890 d in El Paso, TX m Jessey Dalton(JD) 4 Cora b 1891 5.* Emmett Edger Watts b Nov.2,1892 in Marietta, Love Co. Oklahoma. Married Margaret Ural Scivally on Nov. 11,1911 in Indian Territory, Old Greer Co. Ok. He died in Van Nuys,Ca. Nov 30,1968. Ural was the daughter of James Calvin Scivally and Margaret Ann ( Mattie) Martin Scivally. I have a Copy of there marriage records: States that Emmett was 19 and Ural was 16 at the time of their marriage. L T Watts and J C Scivally had to sign for them. Emmett was living in Reed, Greer Co. Ok and Ural was living in Vinson, Harrison County, OK at the time of their marriage. Ural died 1 Feb 1977 in Van Nuys, Ca. MY GRANDFATHER. 6 John Wesley Watts b April 25,1894 in Indian Territory ,Ok. Died in Olustee, JacksonCo.OK. He was married twice. 2nd wife was Gracie L, Glenn. John and his wives were childless. 7 William H Watts b 1898 died 1978 8 Bert b 1899 9 Dorothy Mabel Watts b. May 14,1900 in Ok. Died June 1980 in Arp.SmithCo,Tx. Married Orion D Browder. 10 Euel J Watts (Jack or Buster) b 1909 in Ok. Died 1978 in Albuquerque,N.M. Married Bessie 11 Fannie Wigginton/Watts b 13 Oct 1880 d 2 Feb 1956. She is the daughter of Virginia Monkres and Mr. Wigginton. Fannie First married a man name Nelson (Will?). He went to town and never came back. STORY: Luther went to get her and took to her to town and that is when she found out he was in jail for counterfeiting. She could have been pregnant at this time, but because all this she lost the baby. Fannie Second husband was GEORGE L CLINE IN 1901 IN TX. Their first child was Ernest C b 1903 in Marietta,Love County, Ok. Ernest died in 1904 and is buried in Marietta, Ok. This my webpage on them and others www.geocities.com/janet_ariciu Janet

Hello Fellow Listers, I am researching the WATTS name. I have Emma WATTS born 21 July 1833 to David WATTS and Elizabeth WATTS (nee TOWERS). Emma was born in Westbury-on-Severn. I have found them on the 1851 Census by Gordon Beavington as follows: East Dean, Section VI WATTS, David, 50, labourer, born Wickwar " , Elizabeth, 50, wife born Westbury " , Emma, 18, dau " " " , James, 16, son " " " , George, 12, son " " " , Mary Ann 9, dau " " Emma WATTS married John Church PYM in High Wycombe, BUCKS on June 8, 1861. Emma and John PYM are my great x3 grandparents. At the time of Emma's marriage her father, David WATTS, was listed as a tailor. Does anyone have any knowledge and/or connection to this WATTS family? Thanks in advance, Carrie Hawkins, Ontario, CANADA P.S. Sorry if you have received this more than once as I had sent it earlier this a.m. and didn't see it on any of the lists (3). Had barely no email today!

My grandfather, John Edward Watts was born in Mooers, Clinton, NY about 1869, the son of Lorenzo Watts and Alvira Parks. His grandfather John Watts settled in Clinton County between 1810 and 1820. Is anyone else out there researching this family or does anyone have any information on them? Janet Matthews [Essex, England]

Greetings All. I have just finished sending files to Global Genealogy for loading to the server and updating of the Scoreboards for MPs and Senators. When loaded, the online Scoreboard totals will show a date of 19 November. The current online totals show a date of 31 October. The new totals reflect all responses from MPs and Senators that have been forwarded to me. I currently have no further correspondence from MPs or Senators that would cause a change in their positions shown on the Scoreboards. Please check the Scoreboards in a day or so. If you have any correspondence from MPs or Senators that would change the position shown for them please forward it to me so that I might bring things up to date once again. Changes since the posting of 31 October are as follows: Gold Ticks of support have been awarded to MPs, Carole-Marie Allard (PQ), Elsie Wayne (NB), Howard Hillstrom (MB), and Jim Gouk (BC). Senators Isobel Finnerty (ON), Laurier LaPierre (ON), and Gerry St. Germain (BC) have also been awarded Gold Ticks. One Senator has been removed from the Scoreboard because he has retired. Non-committal Fence icons have been awarded to MPs Julian Reed (ON) and Steve Mahoney (ON). Both of these previously had Red Xs of opposition. Fence icons have also been awarded to MPs Derek Lee (ON) Karen Redman (ON), and to Senator Terry Stratton (MB). Totals currently stand at: House of Commons: FOR - 139, AGAINST - 7, NON-COMMITTAL - 67, NO RESPONSE - 88 Senate: FOR - 21, AGAINST - 3, NON-COMMITTAL - 10, NO RESPONSE - 63 There is currently considerable activity at this time, relating to our campaign, in both the Senate and the House of Commons. Senator Lorna Milne's Bill S-12 is being considered in Committee at this time and it is expected that it will shortly be referred back to the Senate in Report stage where it would receive more discussion and receive third reading. If it passes third reading it would be referred to the House of Commons. It is expected that Murray Calder's Bill C-312 will this week be considered in order to determine whether or not it will be considered votable. We are optimistic that it will be votable. If votable, it would receive up to three hours debate in the House. If non-votable it would receive a maximum of 1 hour discussion and would then be dropped. If votable, and if passed, it would go through the normal procedures of being referred to Committee, brought back to the House for the Report Stage and third reading after which, if passed, it would be referred to the Senate. Rules of the House do not permit two Bills that are identical (such as C-312 and S-12), or nearly so to be considered in the House at the same time. Should Bill S-12 pass all the steps in the Senate and be referred to the House, Murray Calder would likely withdraw his Bill C-312. With everything that is going on at this time it is important to keep collecting signatures on petitions. It is equally important, if not more so right now, to continue writing, or to write again, to our Members of Parliament and Senators to seek their support for these Bills. Check the updated Scoreboards before writing. For those having Gold Ticks of support, messages of appreciation should be sent with a wish for their continued support. For Fence-sitters, or those who have not responded at all, ask for their support for these Bills and request a response to your query. If writing to the few having Red Xs of opposition, respectfully request their reasons for their opposition. In all instances, keep your messages polite, direct, and to the point. It is especially important at this time to keep the pressure on. We must not allow our representatives to think that we have given up on, or are no longer interested, in regaining the public access to Historic Census Records the we are currently denied. With everyone assisting, we WILL succeed in our goal. We cannot, however, think that our friends efforts will be enough to do the job. We must do it ourselves, and we must do it NOW!! Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

I am researching Evin and James Watts who were born in the early 1830's in SC, possibly in Chester or York Co.,SC. Evin married Lucy Marsh/Mursh who was born on the Catawba reservation in York Co.,SC. Evin's son was William David Watts, and he married James' daughter, Nancy. Does anyone know of this family? Sandy McSpadden.

Hi, Is there a Michelle Allen on this list that is looking for info on Wesley Watts??? I tried to respond to a query on Robertson Co., TN board but, it was returned. Michelle, if your out there please contact me. I have much info to share with you! Best regards, Judy Lee Watts

Greetings All. MP Murray Calder, our champion in the House of Commons, recently had his name drawn in the Private Members Bill Lottery. While he has more than one Private Member Bill in the works he has chosen Bill C-312 as the one to put forth. C-312 is identical to Senator Milne's Bill S-12 currently under review by the Senate Standing Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology. If passed into law these Bills would give us the access to Historical Census Records that we seek. It is expected that the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs will likely meet on 21 November 2001. It is this Committee that will determine whether or not Bill C-312 will be deemed votable. Murray will make a presentation to argue that it should be votable. In it he will no doubt point to the enormous interest in this issue as expressed in the tens of thousands who have signed petitions. It is important to understand that the committee doesn't necessarily look at the merits of the bill -- only whether it should be votable. In other words, a committee member may be opposed to it, but still feel it should come to a vote. They will choose 5 bills from the 15 selected in the recent draw to become votable. The process is explained at this site: (be sure to include the full URL) www.parl.gc.ca/information/about/process/house/precis/chap15-e.htm If all goes well, the bill could come up in the House as early as December 11th. If deemed votable and passed at this stage, Bill C-312 would proceed to review by a Committee of the House. I copy below a list of the members of the committee and their email addresses. Perhaps they would appreciate some brief notes advising them of them of the importance of Census records to our research. Advise them that seek their positive vote in making Bill C-312 votable. Keep your messages polite and to the point. As a point of interest, checking the MP's Scoreboard for the members of this committee there are 8 gold ticks of support, 4 non-committal fences, three question marks indicating no response, and 1 red X of opposition. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. ===================================== STANDING COMMITTEE ON PROCEDURE AND HOUSE AFFAIRS Chair -- Peter Adams [email protected] Vice-Chairs Richard Harris [email protected] Jacques Saada [email protected] Members Pierre Brien [email protected] Marlene Catterall [email protected] Cheryl Gallant [email protected] Yvon Godin [email protected] Michel Guimond [email protected] Jay Hill [email protected] Joe Jordan [email protected] Paul Macklin [email protected] Carolyn Parrish [email protected] Geoff Regan [email protected] John Reynolds [email protected] John Richardson [email protected] Tony Tirabassi [email protected]