Yeh I am happy they have put up the Waterford records on the Irish Roots web site, after searching for at least 6 years I have found the Baptism for my grandfather's uncle Francis Murphy 19 Apr 1903 in Windgap. Father, just Murphy surname Mother Ann Murphy. Sponsors Thomas McGrath and Ann Uniacke. Both from Ballyrichard Tipperary As Ann Murphy was a widow in 1899 she has had 2 Children out of Wedlock inc Francis, and according to the census of 1911 Ann married Edward Neill in 1905 and had 2 children, Johanna and Lawrence, but have Francis and Matthew as Neill's, but both have Murphy Births with father unknown. I don't know if these are Edwards children, or someone elses? Just can't wait til they put on the Marriage records as I have been trying for 8 years for Anne and Edwards record. If anyone has any connection to McGrath or Uniacke I would be interested to see if there is any connection Julie

Re: Surname Bible Ancestry.com has many surname Bible from Ireland and from Waterford. Ex: Name: James Alexander Bible Birth Date: 13 Aug 1883 Birth Place: Waterford, Ireland Age: 38 Residence: Longhkeyne, NY Passport Issue Date: 25 Jan 1922 Father Name: Stephen Bible Father's Birth Location: Ireland Father's Residence: Waterford, Ireland Passport Includes a Photo: Yes If anyone wants me to do a lookup, let me know - only one name per email, please, and you can email me directly. Unfortunately, I did not find my specific Foley's from Waterford listed on Ancestry but I think they are still in the process of putting them on. Not to mention their names are Patrick, Anne, Catherine and Margaret.............and it was hard for me to identify our specific Patrick Foley on Griffith's Valuation. Elaine California

See <http://www.genealogyforyou.com/surnames/bible/>. FWIW - MacLysaght doesn't list the name Bible as one with Irish origins. Dave Collins

There are five enteries for the surname Bible in the Waterford area directory, located in carlow and Waterford city. regards, Tony Mc Carthy ----- Original Message ----- From: waterford-request@rootsweb.com To: waterford@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 08:01:54 +0100 (IST) Subject: WATERFORD Digest, Vol 6, Issue 79 The Ireland GenWeb County Waterford website is up for adoption. Check it out at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/ If you would like to take this site over, contact: Waterford-admin@rootsweb.com Today's Topics: 1. surname: Bible (Susan Twomey) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 12:35:27 -0700 From: Susan Twomey <mtpv@arcatanet.com> Subject: [WATERFORD] surname: Bible To: waterford@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <5C2480B1-9F95-424C-84FB-8D9F47929F71@arcatanet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My greatgrandmother Bridget Harris married Cornelius Lynch in 1865 in Ballyduff, Lismore, Waterford, just before they moved to America and settled in northern Michigan...Bridget's mother was Bridget Long(e) who married Michael Harris, senior...Bridget Long's father Richard Long married Hannah Hill... Hannah's mother, also Anna / Hannah, married a Mr. Hill...Hannah, senior was the daughter of Robin / Robert Bible b. c. 1700. It seems they all lived in Ballyduff, Lismore Parish, Waterford...I have a family record of Robin Bible selling his estate known as "Glenbeg" to a family named Foley c. 1772 in Ballyduff. Robin's wife's name was probably Bridget or " Biddie". She was known as Biddie Bible! Does anyone know the origin of the surname "Bible"? Does anyone know of another person with the Bible surname in Waterford? It seems unlike an Irish name to me... ...also, if you recognize the other names listed above, please let me know! Thanks! Susan Twomey ------------------------------ To contact the WATERFORD list administrator, send an email to WATERFORD-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the WATERFORD mailing list, send an email to WATERFORD@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WATERFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of WATERFORD Digest, Vol 6, Issue 79 **************************************** -- Tony Mc Carthy

Thank you, Tony! Do you mean the most recent directory...or a directory of long ago? How do I access this? I appreciate your help. /Susan On Oct 8, 2011, at 4:27 AM, tonymccarthy@eircom.net wrote: > There are five enteries for the surname Bible in the Waterford area directory, located in carlow and Waterford city. > regards, > Tony Mc Carthy

Susan Where did your Lynch's from Ballyduff settle in northern Michigan? My William Scanlon g-gf emigrated sometime in the 1850s, probably to Connecticut, were in Grass Valley, California (hydraulic gold mining) between early 1860's til about 1869, came back to the copper mines of Houghton, Michigan on the UP and then by 1875 were in Negaunee, in Marquette County, Michigan, as an Iron Ore Miner. Were you ever in contact with William Lane of Ballyduff who attempted to trace all the Ballyduff emigrants? Unfortunately he died 8-10 years ago and attempts to find his research papers were not successful. Ray Marshall Minneapolis -----Original Message----- From: waterford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:waterford-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Susan Twomey Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 2:38 PM To: waterford@rootsweb.com Subject: [WATERFORD] surname: Bible My greatgrandmother Bridget Harris married Cornelius Lynch in 1865 in Ballyduff, Lismore, Waterford, just before they moved to America and settled in northern Michigan...Bridget's mother was Bridget Long(e) who married Michael Harris, senior...Bridget Long's father Richard Long married Hannah Hill... Hannah's mother, also Anna / Hannah, married a Mr. Hill...Hannah, senior was the daughter of Robin / Robert Bible b. c. 1700. It seems they all lived in Ballyduff, Lismore Parish, Waterford...I have a family record of Robin Bible selling his estate known as "Glenbeg" to a family named Foley c. 1772 in Ballyduff. Robin's wife's name was probably Bridget or " Biddie". She was known as Biddie Bible! Does anyone know the origin of the surname "Bible"? Does anyone know of another person with the Bible surname in Waterford? It seems unlike an Irish name to me... ...also, if you recognize the other names listed above, please let me know! Thanks! Susan Twomey

My greatgrandmother Bridget Harris married Cornelius Lynch in 1865 in Ballyduff, Lismore, Waterford, just before they moved to America and settled in northern Michigan...Bridget's mother was Bridget Long(e) who married Michael Harris, senior...Bridget Long's father Richard Long married Hannah Hill... Hannah's mother, also Anna / Hannah, married a Mr. Hill...Hannah, senior was the daughter of Robin / Robert Bible b. c. 1700. It seems they all lived in Ballyduff, Lismore Parish, Waterford...I have a family record of Robin Bible selling his estate known as "Glenbeg" to a family named Foley c. 1772 in Ballyduff. Robin's wife's name was probably Bridget or " Biddie". She was known as Biddie Bible! Does anyone know the origin of the surname "Bible"? Does anyone know of another person with the Bible surname in Waterford? It seems unlike an Irish name to me... ...also, if you recognize the other names listed above, please let me know! Thanks! Susan Twomey

Looks like the records might go live on Monday. However, it also looks like we will only get all the civil records and the Church of Ireland records and none of the RC records prior to 1964 to fill in before the civil records. Janet

My g-g-grandmother was Honora/Hanora(h) Foley, m. John Geary in 1867. They lived in Ardmore, Co. Waterford and their dtr Elizabeth Mary (sometimes Lizzie) Geary, b. 1870, m. Eugene Albert Smith in 1888 in Oneida Castle, NY. When she died in 1912 , after a long illness, her obit mentions three sisters in NYC: Mrs. stacia Ahern, Mrs. Anne Costello, and Ellen Geary, and two (unnamed) sisters in Ireland. I have had the devil of a time trying to track down even her definitive arrival in the US! At any rate, there may be a Foley connection, if you know where in Waterford yours were from...unless you simply meant Waterford city in your post. I'm always happy for any help and would like to be able to help others as well. John Geary of Alabama, a cousin of some degree, found a query I posted in 2001 and was enormously helpful. (Hi, John! Our trip to Ireland had to be canceled, but we hope to get there next spring.) Do let me know if we might have a connection. Mary Beth Blackmon Check out www.blackmonstudio.com Support scientific and intellectual thought; reject ignorance and stupidity. Sent from my iPad On Oct 5, 2011, at 2:03 PM, waterford-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > The Ireland GenWeb County Waterford website is up for adoption. Check it out at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/ > If you would like to take this site over, contact: Waterford-admin@rootsweb.com > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Phelan/Whelan and Power (Janet A Peterson) > 2. Re: Phelan/Whelan (JAMESPPOWER) > 3. Nicknames (Janet Crawford) > 4. Re: Nicknames (rbarr33741@aol.com) > 5. Off-topic: Major volcanic eruptions (Janet Crawford) > 6. On-line records (Janet Crawford) > 7. Re: On-line records ("E" Sharp) > 8. Re: On-line records (rbarr33741@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 00:27:28 -0700 (PDT) > From: Janet A Peterson <jpdion932@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [WATERFORD] Phelan/Whelan and Power > To: "waterford@rootsweb.com" <waterford@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1317799648.19295.YahooMailNeo@web160620.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Thank you. I had never heard of that before and did not know nicknames were used. The Thomas Phelan who was a baker in Waterford was born in the Carrick on Suir area. I don't know if it was the same Phelan bakery in the 1940-1950 time but I will ask and see what I can find out. One of the elderly Phelan family members is still alive and has memories of that bakery. > Also James - My Thomas Phelan born 1844 Carrick on Suir was married to Ellen Power and my other 4th grandfather Michael Morrissey was married to Catherine Power. I know Power is a common Irish name but any chance you know of these families?? > > > Janet > > > > ________________________________ > From: James Power <jamespowertalktalknet@gmail.com> > To: waterford@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 10:50 AM > Subject: Re: [WATERFORD] Phelan/Whelan > > The only nicknameI remember in Waterford area Was "Blaheen" referring ta > particular branch of the Whelan family in Carrick-on-Suir area. > Referring to the Phelan of Ballybricken are who was a baker.I wonder if he > was in any way connected to Phelan's Bakery in Waterford city in the late > 1940 1950 The premises were situated opposite the old Woolworths,(now > Pennys) > > On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi all, There is a chance the Phelan's, in addition to using the >> variation Whelan, may also have used nicknames but I have never seen >> any. Has anyone run across a Phelan nickname? >> >> Janet >> Please double-check subject line & snip your messages when replying. >> >> Please search the Archives of this list for your surnames at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=waterford >> >> ------------------------------------- >> The Ireland GenWeb County Waterford website is up for adoption.? Check it >> out at:? http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/ >> If you would like to take this site over, contact: >> Waterford-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WATERFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > Please double-check subject line & snip your messages when replying. > > Please search the Archives of this list for your surnames at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=waterford > > ------------------------------------- > The Ireland GenWeb County Waterford website is up for adoption.? Check it out at:? http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/ > If you would like to take this site over, contact:? Waterford-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WATERFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 09:42:04 +0100 > From: JAMESPPOWER <jamespowertalktalknet@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [WATERFORD] Phelan/Whelan > To: "waterford@rootsweb.com" <waterford@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <E007F5AD-F006-4D7E-89E8-C12A878DC3DC@googlemail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Re variations Phelan Whelan etc. So much has already been said re these variations,I am a little hesitant to ad further to the controversy. It really is not surprising the variations ,when one considers the original Gaelic name. "O'Faolain" pronounced o phwaylawn . One can quite easily see what happens if the if the oph is dropped it becomes waylain which then progresses to Whelan or Whalen ,On the other hand if the w is dropped the name can then progress Phelan or Phalen.A large number of these developments occurred on registration due to the dialect used by the person registering. There is also the possibility of the owners themselves making these changes ,like dropping the o and the elongated vowel sounds to lose their Gaelic origins due to the difficulties when seeking employment in those bad old days. > I wholeheartedly agree with those sentiments already expressed regarding the commercialization of the availability of these church registers which to my mind goes against al sense of the meaning of true Christian charity. I am certain that in the main the churches concerned would gain far more by taking a leaf from the Mormon Church which throws open much easier access to their records and at far less cost. > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 3, 2011, at 22:51, Terry Phelan <Tphelan100@aol.com> wrote: > >> Jan, >> Not a nickname but other variations: >> Phelon >> Phalen >> Phalon >> >> >> On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, There is a chance the Phelan's, in addition to using the >>> variation Whelan, may also have used nicknames but I have never seen >>> any. Has anyone run across a Phelan nickname? >>> >>> Janet >>> Please double-check subject line & snip your messages when replying. >>> >>> Please search the Archives of this list for your surnames at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=waterford >>> >>> ------------------------------------- >>> The Ireland GenWeb County Waterford website is up for adoption. Check it out at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/ >>> If you would like to take this site over, contact: Waterford-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WATERFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> Please double-check subject line & snip your messages when replying. >> >> Please search the Archives of this list for your surnames at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=waterford >> >> ------------------------------------- >> The Ireland GenWeb County Waterford website is up for adoption. Check it out at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/ >> If you would like to take this site over, contact: Waterford-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WATERFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:32:55 +0100 > From: Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> > Subject: [WATERFORD] Nicknames > To: waterford@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CANOXhXaXtMbc4WiabGeRE8u8Wuu4wptgPbwhBdNfzwr6GjO-pA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > In case anyone is wondering what the heck nicknames are - several > surnames become so plentiful in an area that one needs a way to tell > the various families apart and identify exactly which you are > referencing, and thus came tweaking of the spelling and nicknames. The > Ryan's, The O'Dwyer's and the O'Sullivan's used nicknames for sure, > and some other septs may have done so as well. I have a list of > several hundred Ryan nicknames with the place they were used > cross-referenced. If you don't know where your Ryan's were from but do > know the nickname they used, you can find the place for about half so > far. Anytime you run across a nickname for any family, please send a > message about it to add to the collection. > > Janet > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 07:30:55 -0400 (EDT) > From: rbarr33741@aol.com > Subject: Re: [WATERFORD] Nicknames > To: waterford@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8CE51696152CF8C-BFC-14964@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Jane Crawford ! > > > When the Waterford records go on line, I will be looking for a Michael O'Sullivan, b. circa 1820, to Jeremiah H. Sullivan and Mary (maiden name unk.) > > > > I thought this family originated from Cahersiveen, County Kerry; however, I did find a US Army enlistment document for Michael wherein he identified his place of birth as Waterford, IRELAND.... > > > > So I am hoping to find both he and his sibling's baptismal records in the Waterford collection... > > > Anyway, I was wondering what some of the nick names were for O'Sullivan/Sullivan from Waterford. > > > > > Thanks so much > > > Rick Barrett > Clifton, Virginia > USA > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> > To: waterford <waterford@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Oct 5, 2011 2:33 am > Subject: [WATERFORD] Nicknames > > > In case anyone is wondering what the heck nicknames are - several > surnames become so plentiful in an area that one needs a way to tell > the various families apart and identify exactly which you are > referencing, and thus came tweaking of the spelling and nicknames. The > Ryan's, The O'Dwyer's and the O'Sullivan's used nicknames for sure, > and some other septs may have done so as well. I have a list of > several hundred Ryan nicknames with the place they were used > cross-referenced. If you don't know where your Ryan's were from but do > know the nickname they used, you can find the place for about half so > far. Anytime you run across a nickname for any family, please send a > message about it to add to the collection. > > Janet > Please double-check subject line & snip your messages when replying. > > Please search the Archives of this list for your surnames at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=waterford > > ------------------------------------- > The Ireland GenWeb County Waterford website is up for adoption. Check it out > at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/ > If you would like to take this site over, contact: Waterford-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WATERFORD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 14:42:56 +0100 > From: Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> > Subject: [WATERFORD] Off-topic: Major volcanic eruptions > To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com, waterford@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CANOXhXbCAgZxX9B2w1oSVvVboxPutKdqBLeutbsCU4VFDQGBpQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Looks like Katla volcano on Iceland may finally be getting ready to > erupt. If she does, I may be out-of-touch depending on the volume of > ash and the direction the wind is blowing. If it happens one of these > days, and you can't reach me, remember Aggi-Rose is my ever dependable > back-up for the two lists, Waterford & CoTipperary. She sees all the > messages that come through to the admin address already. > > aggirose@gmail.com > > Janet > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 17:45:08 +0100 > From: Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> > Subject: [WATERFORD] On-line records > To: waterford@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CANOXhXby9TyEvK31-=hJ=-g_u1tsv3sHX3M=oU2X0t87gi0cqw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Looks like the records might go live on Monday. However, it also looks > like we will only get all the civil records and the Church of Ireland > records and none of the RC records prior to 1964 to fill in before the > civil records. > > Janet > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 10:20:48 -0700 > From: "\"E\" Sharp" <bellemarco@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [WATERFORD] On-line records > To: waterford@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAF3_nudkFCUeqrC9_iqhxxSzTF992ReGCYg=bY1FEc0NORa1Nw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I am not sure how these Waterford records might help me. We have 3 sisters > Anna (Annie) Foley b. Apr.1850, Catherine "Kate" Foley b. June 4, 1852 and > Margaret M. Foley b. Jan 1855 in Waterford, Ireland. The came together to > the US ca 1869 and are living and continued to live in Philadelphia. They > are all in the 1870 US census records. Parents listed for them are Patrick > Foley and Catherine. Where do I go from here to find their lineage? > > Thank you. > Elaine > California > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 14:03:44 -0400 (EDT) > From: rbarr33741@aol.com > Subject: Re: [WATERFORD] On-line records > To: waterford@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8CE51A04150EA1B-2268-24837@webmail-d101.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > will the RC Sacramental records from Waterford eventually be available on line? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: reojan@gmail.com > To: waterford <waterford@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Oct 5, 2011 9:02 am > Subject: [WATERFORD] On-line records > > > > Looks like the records might go live on Monday. However, it also looks > like we will only get all the civil records and the Church of Ireland > records and none of the RC records prior to 1964 to fill in before the > civil records. > > Janet > Please double-check subject line & snip your messages when replying. > > Please search the Archives of this list for your surnames at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=waterford > > ------------------------------------- > The Ireland GenWeb County Waterford website is up for adoption. Check it out > at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/ > If you would like to take this site over, contact: Waterford-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WATERFORD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the WATERFORD list administrator, send an email to > WATERFORD-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the WATERFORD mailing list, send an email to WATERFORD@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WATERFORD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of WATERFORD Digest, Vol 6, Issue 77 > ****************************************

Looks like Katla volcano on Iceland may finally be getting ready to erupt. If she does, I may be out-of-touch depending on the volume of ash and the direction the wind is blowing. If it happens one of these days, and you can't reach me, remember Aggi-Rose is my ever dependable back-up for the two lists, Waterford & CoTipperary. She sees all the messages that come through to the admin address already. aggirose@gmail.com Janet

Janet, List This is very disappointing news. All my needs are RC before 1864. The LDS site "familysearch.org" already have many of the Waterford Civil births for free. I was looking forward with great anticipation to the records coming online. I was prepared to spend the 5 EURO a record for data that I'm sure would speed up my Waterford research. One can only hope that someday Waterford RC records will come online. Helen -----Original Message----- From Looks like the records might go live on Monday. However, it also looks like we will only get all the civil records and the Church of Ireland records and none of the RC records prior to 1964 to fill in before the civil records. Janet

will the RC Sacramental records from Waterford eventually be available on line? -----Original Message----- From: reojan@gmail.com To: waterford <waterford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Oct 5, 2011 9:02 am Subject: [WATERFORD] On-line records Looks like the records might go live on Monday. However, it also looks like we will only get all the civil records and the Church of Ireland records and none of the RC records prior to 1964 to fill in before the civil records. Janet Please double-check subject line & snip your messages when replying. Please search the Archives of this list for your surnames at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=waterford ------------------------------------- The Ireland GenWeb County Waterford website is up for adoption. Check it out at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/ If you would like to take this site over, contact: Waterford-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WATERFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In case anyone is wondering what the heck nicknames are - several surnames become so plentiful in an area that one needs a way to tell the various families apart and identify exactly which you are referencing, and thus came tweaking of the spelling and nicknames. The Ryan's, The O'Dwyer's and the O'Sullivan's used nicknames for sure, and some other septs may have done so as well. I have a list of several hundred Ryan nicknames with the place they were used cross-referenced. If you don't know where your Ryan's were from but do know the nickname they used, you can find the place for about half so far. Anytime you run across a nickname for any family, please send a message about it to add to the collection. Janet

I am not sure how these Waterford records might help me. We have 3 sisters Anna (Annie) Foley b. Apr.1850, Catherine "Kate" Foley b. June 4, 1852 and Margaret M. Foley b. Jan 1855 in Waterford, Ireland. The came together to the US ca 1869 and are living and continued to live in Philadelphia. They are all in the 1870 US census records. Parents listed for them are Patrick Foley and Catherine. Where do I go from here to find their lineage? Thank you. Elaine California

Re variations Phelan Whelan etc. So much has already been said re these variations,I am a little hesitant to ad further to the controversy. It really is not surprising the variations ,when one considers the original Gaelic name. "O'Faolain" pronounced o phwaylawn . One can quite easily see what happens if the if the oph is dropped it becomes waylain which then progresses to Whelan or Whalen ,On the other hand if the w is dropped the name can then progress Phelan or Phalen.A large number of these developments occurred on registration due to the dialect used by the person registering. There is also the possibility of the owners themselves making these changes ,like dropping the o and the elongated vowel sounds to lose their Gaelic origins due to the difficulties when seeking employment in those bad old days. I wholeheartedly agree with those sentiments already expressed regarding the commercialization of the availability of these church registers which to my mind goes against al sense of the meaning of true Christian charity. I am certain that in the main the churches concerned would gain far more by taking a leaf from the Mormon Church which throws open much easier access to their records and at far less cost. Sent from my iPad On Oct 3, 2011, at 22:51, Terry Phelan <Tphelan100@aol.com> wrote: > Jan, > Not a nickname but other variations: > Phelon > Phalen > Phalon > > > On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi all, There is a chance the Phelan's, in addition to using the >> variation Whelan, may also have used nicknames but I have never seen >> any. Has anyone run across a Phelan nickname? >> >> Janet >> Please double-check subject line & snip your messages when replying. >> >> Please search the Archives of this list for your surnames at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=waterford >> >> ------------------------------------- >> The Ireland GenWeb County Waterford website is up for adoption. Check it out at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/ >> If you would like to take this site over, contact: Waterford-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WATERFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please double-check subject line & snip your messages when replying. > > Please search the Archives of this list for your surnames at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=waterford > > ------------------------------------- > The Ireland GenWeb County Waterford website is up for adoption. Check it out at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/ > If you would like to take this site over, contact: Waterford-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WATERFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jane Crawford ! When the Waterford records go on line, I will be looking for a Michael O'Sullivan, b. circa 1820, to Jeremiah H. Sullivan and Mary (maiden name unk.) I thought this family originated from Cahersiveen, County Kerry; however, I did find a US Army enlistment document for Michael wherein he identified his place of birth as Waterford, IRELAND.... So I am hoping to find both he and his sibling's baptismal records in the Waterford collection... Anyway, I was wondering what some of the nick names were for O'Sullivan/Sullivan from Waterford. Thanks so much Rick Barrett Clifton, Virginia USA -----Original Message----- From: Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> To: waterford <waterford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Oct 5, 2011 2:33 am Subject: [WATERFORD] Nicknames In case anyone is wondering what the heck nicknames are - several surnames become so plentiful in an area that one needs a way to tell the various families apart and identify exactly which you are referencing, and thus came tweaking of the spelling and nicknames. The Ryan's, The O'Dwyer's and the O'Sullivan's used nicknames for sure, and some other septs may have done so as well. I have a list of several hundred Ryan nicknames with the place they were used cross-referenced. If you don't know where your Ryan's were from but do know the nickname they used, you can find the place for about half so far. Anytime you run across a nickname for any family, please send a message about it to add to the collection. Janet Please double-check subject line & snip your messages when replying. Please search the Archives of this list for your surnames at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=waterford ------------------------------------- The Ireland GenWeb County Waterford website is up for adoption. Check it out at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/ If you would like to take this site over, contact: Waterford-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WATERFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you. I had never heard of that before and did not know nicknames were used. The Thomas Phelan who was a baker in Waterford was born in the Carrick on Suir area. I don't know if it was the same Phelan bakery in the 1940-1950 time but I will ask and see what I can find out. One of the elderly Phelan family members is still alive and has memories of that bakery. Also James - My Thomas Phelan born 1844 Carrick on Suir was married to Ellen Power and my other 4th grandfather Michael Morrissey was married to Catherine Power. I know Power is a common Irish name but any chance you know of these families?  Janet ________________________________ From: James Power <jamespowertalktalknet@gmail.com> To: waterford@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [WATERFORD] Phelan/Whelan The only nicknameI remember in Waterford area Was "Blaheen" referring ta particular branch of the Whelan family in Carrick-on-Suir area. Referring to the Phelan of Ballybricken are who was a baker.I wonder if he was in any way connected to Phelan's Bakery in Waterford city in the late 1940 1950 The premises were situated opposite the old Woolworths,(now Pennys) On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, There is a chance the Phelan's, in addition to using the > variation Whelan, may also have used nicknames but I have never seen > any. Has anyone run across a Phelan nickname? > > Janet > Please double-check subject line & snip your messages when replying. > > Please search the Archives of this list for your surnames at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=waterford > > ------------------------------------- > The Ireland GenWeb County Waterford website is up for adoption.  Check it > out at:  http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/ > If you would like to take this site over, contact: > Waterford-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WATERFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please double-check subject line & snip your messages when replying. Please search the Archives of this list for your surnames at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=waterford ------------------------------------- The Ireland GenWeb County Waterford website is up for adoption.  Check it out at:  http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/ If you would like to take this site over, contact:  Waterford-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WATERFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have used the site quite a bit. Many times I am able to use the advanced search which enables one to key in the fathers name AND the mother's names which enables me to narrow it down quite a bit. Maybe not useful to everyone but still, its another source to use. I look forward to the Waterford records being on line. Cheryl Message: 2 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 22:16:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Janet A Peterson <jpdion932@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [WATERFORD] Waterford records online To: "waterford@rootsweb.com" <waterford@rootsweb.com> > >> >Although it's nice to have a general reference this is still very expensive.? For example, I am looking for a Thomas Phelan born 1844 at Carrick On Suir, Tipperary.? There are more than one.? All I can see on this site is the year, name and county which makes it impossible to search without paying what I consider huge ppv costs.?

Hi Janet, Didn't see this before my prior post today. Oohh, I'd be thrilled if we could make any progress with this family. As in Waterford, here are the baptisms for each of the known children of James /PHELAN/WHELAN and Mary DALY. Until the records were discovered in Ireland, the name we always had/used for my grandmother was as WHALEN. While in Waterford, 2003, I ended up getting 2+ hours in the local registry office. I tried to extract anything re PHELAN/WHELAN/DALY in the limited time. The finds are in an Excel chart. Also visited Trinity Without and took photos of (and transcribed) headstones for both. Happy to share. Will continue off-list re Boston/Cambridge, MA items . . . . Children of James /PHELAN/WHELAN and Mary DALY Child 1: Mary Margaret (my grandmother; went by Margaret) BIRTH: Registration Date: Aug 28, 1867; Register WAT URB 1 BTH Bk 7, page 15; Union: Waterford; District: Waterford; entry 74; Registrar: Delandre V.R. (Dep) 17 August 1867. Barrack Street. Mary Margaret, female; d/o James WHELAN, baker, Barrack St., Mary Anne WHELAN, formerly DALY. Informant: Margaret (X Mark, present at birth) McDonald, Kings Terrace BAPTISM: 18 August 1867. Parish: Ballybricken Church Ballybricken Register: B/1844-74 P.397 Address: Barrack Street, Stipend 2/- PHELAN, Mary Margaret; Father: James; Mother DALY, Mary A. Sponsors: PHELAN Michael; GRACE Catherine Priest: McGRATH T. Child 2: Catherine BIRTH Registration Date: 19 Nov 1869; Register WAT URB 1 BTH Bk 10, page 93; Union: Waterford; District: Waterford; entry 463; Registrar: Hela???, P.F 1 November 1869. Barrack Street. Catherine, female; d/o James WHELAN, baker, Barrack St., Mary Ann WHELAN, formerly DALY. Informant: Elizabeth (X Mark, present at birth) HEARN, Morrice Road BAPTISM: 31 Oct 1869. Parish: Ballybricken Church Ballybricken Register: B/1844-74 P.431 Address: Barrack Street, Stipend 2/- PHELAN, Catherine; Father: James; Mother DALY, Mary A. Sponsors: DALY Daniel; MURPHY Mary Priest: McGRATH T. Child 3: Anastasia BIRTH: Registration Date: First May 1871; Register WAT URB 1 BTH Bk 13, page 31; Union: Waterford; District: Waterford; entry 153; Registrar: Hela???, P.F 10 April 1871. Barrack Street. Anastatia, female; d/o James PHELAN, baker, Barrack St., Mary Anne PHELAN, formerly DALY. Informant: Elizabeth (X Mark, present at birth) HEARN, Morrisons Road BAPTISM: 12 Mar 1871. Parish: Ballybricken; Church: Ballybricken; Register: B/1844-74 P.453 Address: Barrack Street, Stipend 1/- PHELAN, Anastasia; Father: James; Mother DALY, Mary A. Sponsors: DALY James; CORCORAN Anastasia Priest: Quealy W. Child 4: Bridget BIRTH: Registration Date: Twenty eighth August 1872; Register WAT URB 1 BTH Bk 15, page 68; Union: Waterford; District: Waterford; entry 337; Registrar: Hela???, P.F 8 August 1872. Barrack Street. Bridget, female; d/o James PHELAN, baker, Barrack St., Mary Anne DALY, formerly PHELAN. Informant: Johanna (X Mark, present at birth) POWER, Blakes? Lane Margin Note: In entry 337 Col 6 read PHELAN as married surname and in same entry same col read DALY as maiden surname as in deposition Johanna (X Mark) POWER. ?? Delandre, Registrar 31 July 1874 BAPTISM: 26 July 1872. Parish: Ballybricken; Church: Ballybricken; Register: B/1844-74 P.477 Address: Barrack Street, Stipend 1/- PHELAN, Bridgid; Father: James; Mother DALY, Mary A. Sponsors: DALY Daniel; CORCORAN Catherine Priest: Quealy W. Child 5 Julia BIRTH: Not found in BMD office, Waterford for 1873/4 BAPTISM: 14 Dec 1873. Parish: Ballybricken; Church: Ballybricken; Register: B/1844-74 P.498 Address: Barrack Street, Stipend 2/- PHELAN, Julia; Father: James; Mother: DALY, Mary Ann Sponsors: DALY James; CONNORS Mary Priest: McGrath T. Child 6 John BIRTH Registration Date: Eighteenth May 1875; Register WAT URB 1 BTH Bk 20, page 43; Union: Waterford; District: Waterford; entry 43; Registrar: Delander, P.F 27 April 1875. Barrack Street. John, male; s/o James PHELAN, baker, Barrack St., Mary Ann PHELAN, formerly DALY. Informant: Ellen WHITE, Present at birth; Spring Garden Alley BAPTISM: 2 May 1875. Parish: Ballybricken Church Ballybricken Register: B/1875-83 P.6 Address: Barrack Street, Stipend 2/- PHELAN, John; Father: James; Mother DALY, Mary Ann Sponsors: DALY James; O'KEEFFE Ann Priest: QUEALY William Child 7 Stella (only a maybe for now) Nothing from Ireland. Rather, my aunt noted her mother's sister, Stella in a note and I found a Stella marriage (citing parents James WHALEN/Mary DALY as her parents), Boston, 1898. Certainly speculative, including her for now, while exploring. Marsha Stringer (nee MEERE) stringer@mstringer.net USA www.bittonfamilies.com -----Original Message----- From: waterford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:waterford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet A Peterson Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 7:35 PM To: waterford@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WATERFORD] PHELAN NAME WATERFORD; BALLYBRICKEN;Barrack St and look up I think our families are probably related; perhaps cousins.  My great grandfather was: James Phelan born 23 March 1876 and his parents were Thomas Phelan and Ellen Phelan nee Power.  Thomas Phelan was a baker who lived at Trinity Without, Ballybricken on Barrack St. James Phelan married Ellen Morrissey in Oct of 1899 at Holy Trinity Without, Ballybricken. (I have a pic of the church from that time if anyone would like it-let me know).  Ellen Morrissey listed Yellow Road as her residence on her civil marriage record. Her parents were Michael Morrissey and Catherine nee Power. James and Ellen moved to the US an arrived on the Ivernia 28 Apr 1900. )I thought it was interesting that your Phelan's were in Cambridge. The ship manifest lists four people from Waterford-two were James and Ellen and one was a Dan Collins. It always looked to me like the person making the record came down the list with names and then headed back up the list when filling out the rest. Although it states that Dan Collins was headed for Cambridge it said my great grandparents were headed to Yonkers. I still wonder about that. Cambridge is very close to Somerville where my great grandparents settled.)   CARA:  I think it may have been my  message that you saw.  I have only the civil record for the marriage of James Phelan and Ellen Morrissey.  I posted that I would like to have the church record as I hoped it might have mothers names on it.  The civil record lists only fathers. MARTHA:  It might be useful to compare notes about our families. Perhaps we could do that between the two of us and then post any fruitful outcomes on the board rather than use the board for wonderings?  Either way is fine.  I think my James and Ellen probably headed for Cambridge as the ship manifest noted because they had relatives there.    Janet Phelan

Hi, Pretty sure my family (at least grandmother and her father) immigrated to Boston sometime in the 1880s. There is no 1890 census. Margaret married 1895, Boston, so all that is known is via her entries (no two the same re her background). Per my GGfather's 1866 marriage, Trinity Without (parents/addresses fm civil version): James PHELAN/WHELAN (Address: Yellow Road; Age: FullAge; Occ: baker; Father: John, miller) Some Griffith's finds (can't tell what, if anything, could be my family) Some Misc finds in Griffith's Valuation: 37. Occupier: Phelan, Martin Barony: MDTD Parish: Trinity, Without Townland: Browley, East Occupier: Phelan, Martin Lessor: Bunbury, H.,James, Esq Description of Tenement: HY Area: 00 00 00 Net Value of Land: 00 00 00 Net Value of Buildings: 01 00 00 Total Net Value: 01 00 00 OS Reference: 9 Town/Street: Borheenclogh Browley, East Townland: Browley, East Parish: Trinity, Without Union: Waterford Barony: Middlethird County: Waterford 38. Occupier: Phelan, Edmund Barony: MDTD Parish: Trinity, Without Townland: Browley, East Occupier: Phelan, Edmund Lessor: Bunbury, H.,James, Esq Description of Tenement: HOYAGA Area: 00 00 31 Net Value of Land: 00 15 00 Net Value of Buildings: 01 00 00 Total Net Value: 01 15 00 OS Reference: 9 Town/Street: Borheenclogh Browley, East Townland: Browley, East Parish: Trinity, Without Union: Waterford Barony: Middlethird County: Waterford 40. Occupier: Phelan, James Barony: CCOW Parish: St. John's Without Townland: Newtown Occupier: Phelan, James Lessor: Wilson Bridget Mrs. Description of Tenement: HOYAGA Area: 00 00 15 Net Value of Land: 00 06 00 Net Value of Buildings: 01 04 00 Total Net Value: 01 10 00 OS Reference: 9 Town/Street: John's Hill (East side). Waterford Townland: Newtown Parish: St. John's Without Union: Waterford Barony: County of the City of Waterford County: Waterford 41. Occupier: Phelan, John Barony: CCOW Parish: St. John's Without Townland: Newtown Occupier: Phelan, John Lessor: Devereux, James Area: 00 00 00 Net Value of Land: 00 00 00 Net Value of Buildings: 02 10 00 Total Net Value: 02 10 00 Notes: 4 = House, offs., yd. & sm. gar. OS Reference: 9 Town/Street: Johnstown (East side). Waterford Townland: Newtown Parish: St. John's Without Union: Waterford Barony: County of the City of Waterford County: Waterford 42. Occupier: Phelan, James Barony: CCOW Parish: St. Patrick's Occupier: Phelan, James Lessor: Hassard, Wm. H. Esq Description of Tenement: H Area: 00 00 00 Net Value of Land: 00 00 00 Net Value of Buildings: 06 10 00 Total Net Value: 06 10 00 OS Reference: 9 Town/Street: Garter-Lane. Waterford Parish: St. Patrick's Union: Waterford Barony: County of the City of Waterford County: Waterford 43. Occupier: Phelan, James Barony: CCOW Parish: Trinity Without Occupier: Phelan, James Lessor: Bellord, John Description of Tenement: H Area: 00 00 00 Net Value of Land: 00 00 00 Net Value of Buildings: 08 00 00 Total Net Value: 08 00 00 OS Reference: 9 Town/Street: Longcourse, Barron Strand-Street Waterford Parish: Trinity Without Union: Waterford Barony: County of the City of Waterford County: Waterford 44. Occupier: Phelan, James Barony: CCOW Parish: Trinity Without Occupier: Phelan, James Lessor: Morris, William, Esq. Description of Tenement: HOYAGA Area: 00 00 21 Net Value of Land: 00 08 00 Net Value of Buildings: 01 12 00 Total Net Value: 02 00 00 OS Reference: 9 Town/Street: Morrisson's-road.(East Side) Waterford Parish: Trinity Without Union: Waterford Barony: County of the City of Waterford County: Waterford 78. Occupier: Phelan, John Barony: MDTD Parish: Trinity, Without Townland: Dobbynspark Occupier: Phelan, John Lessor: Tobin, Mrs.,Superioress of Presentatn.Convent, Description of Tenement: HOOYSG Area: 00 00 00 Net Value of Land: 00 00 00 Net Value of Buildings: 02 00 00 Total Net Value: 02 00 00 OS Reference: 9 Town/Street: Gallows road, Dobbynspark Townland: Dobbynspark Parish: Trinity, Without Union: Waterford Barony: Middlethird County: Waterford 79. Occupier: Phelan, John Barony: MDTD Parish: Trinity, Without Townland: Kings Meadow Occupier: Phelan, John Lessor: Power, Edward Description of Tenement: HOG Area: 00 00 25 Net Value of Land: 00 05 00 Net Value of Buildings: 01 10 00 Total Net Value: 01 15 00 OS Reference: 9 & 17 Townland: Kings Meadow Parish: Trinity, Without Union: Waterford Barony: Middlethird County: Waterford 90. Occupier: Phelan, Patrick Barony: CCOW Parish: Trinity Without Occupier: Phelan, Patrick Lessor: Glanville,John Reps Description of Tenement: HOOFYG Area: 00 00 26 Net Value of Land: 00 10 00 Net Value of Buildings: 01 05 00 Total Net Value: 01 15 00 OS Reference: 9 Town/Street: Morrisson's-road.(East Side) Waterford Parish: Trinity Without Union: Waterford Barony: County of the City of Waterford County: Waterford I have no idea if/how any of these connect. Just hits I saved because in the area of 'my' James PHELAN/WHELAN and Mary DALY. Trade Directory Search: Name: Phelan, James & Silvester Address: 48 King Street Occupation: Miller Source: Slater's Royal National Commercial Directory Of Ireland 1881 Directory ID: SLAT81 Directory Page: 285 1.Name: Whelan, Thomas Address: 73, Barrack Street (opp Side), Waterford City Occupation: Baker Name: Whelan, Thomas Address: 73, Barrack Street (opp Side), Waterford City Occupation: Baker Source: Thom's Directory of the City and County of Waterford 1909-10 Directory ID: THOM Directory Page: 53 2. Name: Whelan, William Address: 10, Convent Hill Occupation: Baker Name: Whelan, William Address: 10, Convent Hill Occupation: Baker Source: Wenham Harvey & Co., The Waterford Almanack And Directory For 1877 Directory ID: HARV Directory Page: 152 3.Name: Whelan, Patrick Address: North Main Street Occupation: Baker Name: Whelan, Patrick Address: North Main Street Occupation: Baker Source: Pigot And Co., City Of Dublin And Hibernian Provincial Directory 1824 Directory ID: PIGOT Directory Page: 325 Marsha Stringer (nee MEERE) stringer@mstringer.net USA www.bittonfamilies.com -----Original Message----- From: waterford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:waterford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James Power Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:51 PM To: waterford@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WATERFORD] Phelan/Whelan Referring to the Phelan of Ballybricken are who was a baker.I wonder if he was in any way connected to Phelan's Bakery in Waterford city in the late 1940 1950 The premises were situated opposite the old Woolworths,(now Pennys)