Sheila, Its important not to overestimate the importance or significance of townlands. They are VERY small sometimes a few fields in size, the term 'town' is a bit confusing. Because of this they are often not used by locals. I for one would not know most of the townlands near me or right next to me unless I checked an OS Map. Very often they are only known because of an important building etc that exists on it. i.e Glencairn and the Abbey. Locals will often use a street or area address which covers a wider area relative to the townland. I have never heard of Castle Richard near Tallow, but that don't mean it doesn't exist. I suppose what I really mean to say is that is possibly enough to know that they came from Tallow. Its all about geographical scale Hope this helps Willie At 08:19 25/04/2002 -0400, [email protected] wrote: >Sheila at [email protected] writes: > ><< Townland Glencairn, Civil Parish Lismore and Mocollop. I always thought >they were from Barracks Street in Tallow Town <snip> The baptisms of their >children is recorded in Tallow Parish, CastleRichard. I am having trouble >understanding the >geography. I see Castle Richard interchanged with Glencairn. Anyone know the >difference? >> > >Sheila, > >The townland of Glencairn is located less than 3 miles north of Tallow Town. >Within that townland, there is a crossroads. The north-leading road goes to >Glencairn Abbey, on the south bank of the Blackwater. That crossroads is >marked as "Castlerichard Cross Roads" on Discovery map 81. There is no >townland of Castlerichard in the area (the nearest Castlerichard townland is >15 miles due south, in Co. Cork), but it is obviously a locally-used name for >that place. > >Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts > > >==== WATERFORD Mailing List ==== >** Visit the Waterford County page at >http://community.webtv.net/waterfordroots/waterford **

Sheila at [email protected] writes: << Townland Glencairn, Civil Parish Lismore and Mocollop. I always thought they were from Barracks Street in Tallow Town <snip> The baptisms of their children is recorded in Tallow Parish, CastleRichard. I am having trouble understanding the geography. I see Castle Richard interchanged with Glencairn. Anyone know the difference? >> Sheila, The townland of Glencairn is located less than 3 miles north of Tallow Town. Within that townland, there is a crossroads. The north-leading road goes to Glencairn Abbey, on the south bank of the Blackwater. That crossroads is marked as "Castlerichard Cross Roads" on Discovery map 81. There is no townland of Castlerichard in the area (the nearest Castlerichard townland is 15 miles due south, in Co. Cork), but it is obviously a locally-used name for that place. Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

hello Tim, Are you living in Ireland??? I had a 5th grt Granfather Name of Patrick Brannon prob b abt 1725 to 1733??? I am looking for. He was mar to __???? and had John Brannon ( Irish John) in Winchester, Va USA in 1769 on . He is said came to America after a falling out with his father, Patrick, came into Pa in 1763. was abt 18 yrs old. He was b 1745 in Stradbally , Queens , Ire. and also had a bro name of Thomas who came into Saco, Maine in abt 1785??? He was b 25 Dec 1755 in same place but in a small town abt 15 miles from where John was born. Thomas was the father of the famous Samuel "Sam" Brannan of Gold Rush days in California in 1850's i and in San Frabsisco, California. He was b in Saco, maine by Thomas's 2nd wife after 1st died there. Sam said his dad was an old man when he was a little boy. I just subscribed to the Waterford List so will later put message in to see if I can locate this Patrick Brannon of early to late 1700's. I would like to have a copy of the map. I have a 486 Comp with Word 6. Maxine Baldwin Wilton in PO Box 177 Roy Wa. 98580 U S A. [email protected]

In a message dated 4/22/02 1:04:14 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > X-Message: #1 > Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 08:48:23 -0400 > From: Tim Morrissey <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Subject: [WAT] Maps > > > Someone was kind enough to give me a couple of maps a few years ago, > circa 1860, when I was first looking for my MORRISSEYs in eastern > County Waterford. I miss-placed them but I found them yesterday and > scanned them in. If anybody would like them, hit me privately and I > will send them to you as a jpeg, e-mail attachment. > They are in two parts and go from Cheekpoint down to Dunmore East, and > as far west as Ballymaclode and Rathmoylan. > Slainte, > Tim > > Tim, Would you please send a copy of the map to [email protected] and thank you. Lorraine

Frank, I have the same problem with ship passenger lists in NY as you experience. However, I got lucky. I found my people in the1855 NY State Census in New York County and it stated that they had come in from Ireland in 1853. That narrowed my search to a year, give or take a few months for miss counting on the date of the census taking. After a few months of examining ships manifests, I found my great great grandparents, Michael English and Mary (Sullivan) English on the ship "Marmion." They were older(mid50s) and were travelling together, so I am sure they are the ones in the list. Mary died of cholera on the voyage and was buried at sea. This explains why she is not buried with her husband in Calvary Cemetery in New York. I always thought she died in Ireland. The ship Marmion embarked from Liverpool. But I believe it was usual for these ships to stop at Queenstown on the way out. My English family came from the Tallow area, not far for them to get to the port of Cobh. I have since found a Michael English as a small property holder in Griffiths in the Townland Glencairn, Civil Parish Lismore and Mocollop. I always thought they were from Barracks Street in Tallow Town, as there is a Patrick English there in Griffiths, but now it seems I should be looking for them around the Blackwater River. In 1840-50, Tallow RC Parish reached up that far. The baptisms of their children is recorded in Tallow Parish, CastleRichard. I am having trouble understanding the geography. I see Castle Richard interchanged with Glencairn. Anyone know the difference? Sheila MacAvoy Block

Someone from this list requested a lookup from me but unfortunately my computer today joined the union and went on strike it went down big time and i have had to resort to the lap top so all mail i received this morning has gone into wherever please send again sorry coral ----- Original Message ----- From: "William H. Mulligan, Jr" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [WAT] Question on Waterford Ports of Departure > You might look at Ira Glazier, ed., <The Famine Immigrants: Lists of Irish > Immigrants Arriving at the Port of New York 1846-1851,> 10 vols.to date. > Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1983. It has an index. > > William H. Mulligan, Jr. > Associate Professor of History > Murray State University > > > > > > ==== WATERFORD Mailing List ==== > ** Civil Registration began in Ireland in 1864, before that you will have to access parish registers. See http://community.webtv.net/mpetzolt2/helpfulhints for how to use Civil Registration records ** >

Thanks for the offer. Please send maps. Joanne [email protected] Locality Carrignagour(?) Fern Ville Lismore,/waterford Surnames: Prendergast,Coleman,Clifford,Feenie, Flavin,Reid(y),Cleary,Cahill,Lynch, Reardon, Coffey,Lyons O''Donnell Ardmore O'Gorman Cork County Kennedy Wexford County>Newfoundland and US Mahaney, Derry>Newfoundland Connors Ireland>Canada,Newfoundland

Can anyone tell me about an elderly couple that lived just inside Mount Melleray Gates, Cappoquin, Co. Waterford, up until a few years ago? His name was Michael Sweeney and his wife's name was Betty. I would like to learn about them, i.e.: Where they are buried, where did they come from and who their parents and relatives were/are and any stories of their life. We met them while on holiday and immediately fell in love with them. Michael, was my husband's grandmother's close relative and we were blessed to have found them via a wonderfully helpful lady, on the last day of our visit to Ireland. We corresponded sporadically, due to his failing eyesight, and we regret so sadly that we did not record the stories about his family that he was so eager to tell. Hopefully, some of you listers will be able to relate to us some of his and Betty's life. Thanking all you wonderful listers in advance, God Bless, Betty Prendergast MA, U.S.A.

[email protected] writes: << as the listing address reads "Kileenagh Knockanore" is that how I would address the envelope? If I just add Waterford County, Ireland, is that enough? >> I'm sure this would be adequate. Knockanore is the "town" with the postoffice, and Killeenagh (note two "els") South is adjacent to it - Killeenagh North is the very next townland. These are not very populated townlands, so I'm confident that just plain "Killeenagh " in front of Knockanore would be sufficient. By the way, there's also a nearby Killeenaghmountain townland, but they're all adjacent. If you are curious where this area is, it's about 7 miles N. of Youghal near the west bank of the River Blackwater and just south of its confluence with the River Bride. Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

You might look at Ira Glazier, ed., <The Famine Immigrants: Lists of Irish Immigrants Arriving at the Port of New York 1846-1851,> 10 vols.to date. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1983. It has an index. William H. Mulligan, Jr. Associate Professor of History Murray State University

Have you looked at the WATERFORD COUNTY COUNCIL website. There is a Death Register there and some detective work may reveal possible connections, e.g. the death of James Mooney on 21 Feb 1883 was reported by his sister, Anne Byrne. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen Byrne" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 1:53 PM Subject: [WAT] Mooney > My ancestor Eliza Mooney came to NY about 1846 with her sister Mary...they were listed as shoe binders. > It is believed they were from Waterford Co. Have never been able to learn anything about their family. Any help would be appreciated. Ellen Byrne > > > ==== WATERFORD Mailing List ==== > ** Writing a good query is the best way to get results. See How to Write a Good Query at http://community.webtv.net/mpetzolt2/helpfulhints ** >

Not being able to afford the hefty fee the WHC charges, I thought I might try writing to possible relatives I found listed in the "Golden Pages." My question is: as the listing address reads "Kileenagh Knockanore" is that how I would address the envelope? If I just add Waterford County, Ireland, is that enough? My grandmother said they were from Knockanore, but I find them in Griffiths Valuation in Kileenagh. Are they next to each other?

I've hit a brick wall in my search for a great grandfather's date/place of arrival in the U.S. >From other records I've located, it would appear that he emigrated during the 1845-1858 time frame and most likely arrived at Manhattan Wharfs/Castle Garden, NY. Unfortunately there are no passenger list indexes for most of the above time frame and going through the LDS microfilms for each passenger ship arriving at NY for the busy 13 year time period would be horrendous. Pehaps I could reduce the number down if I knew which city/port was most likely his Waterford port of departure during the 1845-1858 time frame. Were ships able to leave from the city of Waterford or were other costal cities used? Would anyone be able to assist me on this question? Thank you, Frank

My ancestor Eliza Mooney came to NY about 1846 with her sister Mary...they were listed as shoe binders. It is believed they were from Waterford Co. Have never been able to learn anything about their family. Any help would be appreciated. Ellen Byrne

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5A68E52473CA151AF7B38FEE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone was kind enough to give me a couple of maps a few years ago, circa 1860, when I was first looking for my MORRISSEYs in eastern County Waterford. I miss-placed them but I found them yesterday and scanned them in. If anybody would like them, hit me privately and I will send them to you as a jpeg, e-mail attachment. They are in two parts and go from Cheekpoint down to Dunmore East, and as far west as Ballymaclode and Rathmoylan. Slainte, Tim --------------5A68E52473CA151AF7B38FEE Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="timmorrissey.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Tim Morrissey Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="timmorrissey.vcf" begin:vcard n:Morrissey;Tim tel;fax:828-526-8183 tel;home:828-277-5825 tel;work:828-526-2695 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:The Highlands Playhouse version:2.1 email;internet:[email protected] title:Managing Artistic Director note:Guiness: Its NOT just for breakfast anymore! adr;quoted-printable:;;Box 896=0D=0Aor=0D=0AOak Street=0D=0A;Highlands;NC;28741; end:vcard --------------5A68E52473CA151AF7B38FEE--

Hi Tim I can't help you with your actual query but I can inform you about some forthcoming developments with the Waterford co. co. site. www.waterfordcoco.ie We (Deise Design) are currently mid-way through designing the new Co. Library web site. As you may know the death registers and all the other databases are produced by the Co. Library Service. These databases will migrate to the new site in September. There will be two major consequences of this move. 1) The silly java applet that you currently have to use will be removed. This should make the site way more easy to use and result in less technical glitches etc. The new look for the databases will be amazon.com ish. 2) Detailed contents and how to search pages have been produced. Many of the databases have blank periods or need to be searched in a certain way to obtain useful results. The new library site should be way more intuitive to use than the County Council site. You should also see the appearance of more databases prior to the launch and gaps in the existing databases should be filled in. Hopefully it will go from a pretty cool site to a very cool site :) Yours Willie Whelan Deise Design & Dungarvan Museum ========================================================================== William Whelan | Déise Design | http://www.deisedesign.com | Phone : 086 2748377 " Our core product Déiseditor © allows organisations to publish information to their web site in a fast and cost effective manner. There is no need for a full time web developer, as the site can easily updated by the organisations own staff. Instant updates to keep site information fresh. Sites which are updated regularly bring users back. " Déiseditor © " Managing Your Information " ==========================================================================

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D9C20A35F1FDEC6783CC2D23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit County Waterford has a site at http://www.waterfordcoco.ie Click on LIBRARY and you will see info a searching for DEATH REGISTER and GRIFFITHS. Make sure you scroll completly through those death thingys. I missed it at first and that's where all the good stuff is. Slainte, Tim --------------D9C20A35F1FDEC6783CC2D23 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="timmorrissey.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Tim Morrissey Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="timmorrissey.vcf" begin:vcard n:Morrissey;Tim tel;fax:828-526-8183 tel;home:828-277-5825 tel;work:828-526-2695 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:The Highlands Playhouse version:2.1 email;internet:[email protected] title:Managing Artistic Director note:Guiness: Its NOT just for breakfast anymore! adr;quoted-printable:;;Box 896=0D=0Aor=0D=0AOak Street=0D=0A;Highlands;NC;28741; end:vcard --------------D9C20A35F1FDEC6783CC2D23--

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A166513B9AAEA20B5C882C75 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As most of you know, County Waterford has this pretty cool site now that as a search of the death registers within the County from 1864 to 1900. There is a bunch of info for each listing including the registry number and book number. It does not list on line the maiden name of the women. Does anyone know if that info is anywhere available? Is it in the 'book' for example? I have some very curious 'hits' here but cant go any further without that maiden name info, or husbands name, or childrens names etc. Any help appreciated. Slainte, Tim --------------A166513B9AAEA20B5C882C75 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="timmorrissey.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Tim Morrissey Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="timmorrissey.vcf" begin:vcard n:Morrissey;Tim tel;fax:828-526-8183 tel;home:828-277-5825 tel;work:828-526-2695 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:The Highlands Playhouse version:2.1 email;internet:[email protected] title:Managing Artistic Director note:Guiness: Its NOT just for breakfast anymore! adr;quoted-printable:;;Box 896=0D=0Aor=0D=0AOak Street=0D=0A;Highlands;NC;28741; end:vcard --------------A166513B9AAEA20B5C882C75--

Reposting this because I just found James death record in Burlington, VT & it has him as JAMES O'HALLIHAN! I am looking for the parents of JAMES HALLIHAN who was born about 1809 > > but I do not know the town. All his naturalization papers here in the U.S. > > said was that he was from Waterford Co. He married HONORA HENNESSEY maybe in Ireland, maybe in Canada where they were by 1845, at least. If it is true that in Ireland they usually named their first sons for their Father, then James Father might be John (is that Sean in Irish?) They had 3 sons & 2 daughters. The first daughter I find, Elizabeth, was born in Montreal in > > 1845. The rest of the children-John, James, Mary & Lawrence were born in > > Burlington, VT. > > Pat > > > > > ==== WATERFORD Mailing List ==== > ** Looking for a certain place in Ireland? Use the IreAtlas Townland Database at http://www.seanruad.com ** >

i am trying to trace my greatgrand fathers roots .my grand fathers birth certificate in april 1880 lists father FRANCIS BLAKE KELLY--traveller aged 43 years born waterford .mother JULIA MARY CRONIN born melbourne australia aged 34 .they probably came tonew zealand early 1860s from australia. any help apprecated. ray