Dear Listers, A repost of a request from many months ago. Seeking information on Isabel [Isabella] Ross born in Waterford around 1790. It is possible her father may have been in the English army. By 1812 Isabel had married a John Munro and was living in Rosehall Sutherlandshire in Scotland. Bruce Lawson Christchurch New Zealand --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 25/11/02

Hi Listers, I am interested in finding information on the following members of the Kinsella family: John - husband/father - b. circa 1860 Mary Anne (Fitzgerald) - wife/mother - b. circa 1865 Ellen - daughter - b. 1884 James - son - b. 1886 Margaret - daughter - b. 1890 John - son - b. 1892 Richard - son - b. 1894 William - son - b. 1897 Mary - daughter - b. 1899 Patrick - son - b. 1904 All were born in the City of Waterford, Ireland.  If anyone could find any info on the above, it would be greatly appreciated.  Ellen was my grandmother and immigrated to the USA in 1906.  Don't have much on the other family members.  They lived in the area of Ballybricken.  The parents were married at the Chapel of the Trinity Without.  Many Thanks.  Mary

Hi Listers, Would SKS be able to help me please?. I am trying to find someone who is researching the Flemming family from Waterford. The period i am lookinf for is, 1815 onwards....... a long shot i know but, my 3x gt grandfather was a john flemming from waterford who i am told married a girl named elleoner. They moved to ashby de la zouch where they had quite a few children.. Any help however small would be so helpful. thank you, sandra

In reply to post from Sandra re: Fleming family, I have the following information:I have additional details for anyone interested (1) James Fleming b. bef 1800, Ireland & Mary Sheridan (Riordan) b. bef 1800, Ireland m. ca 1815, Ireland | (2) Honor Fleming | b. 14 Apr 1816, Stradbally Parish, County Waterford, Ireland | (2) John Fleming | b. 11 Jan 1818, Stradbally Parish,Waterford County ,Ireland | (2) Peter (Pierce) Fleming | b. 22 May 1819, Stradbally Parish, County Waterford, Ireland | (2) Thomas Fleming | b. 22 Dec 1820, Strabally Parish, Waterford County, Ireland | (2) James Fleming | b. 19 Jan 1823, Stradbally Parish, Waterford County, Ireland | & Mary Powers | b. Ireland | m. 22 Jul 1844, Kill Parish, County Waterford, Ireland | (2) Laurence Fleming | b. 28 Nov 1825, strabally Parish, Waterford County, Ireland

In a message dated 12/7/02 2:14:57 AM Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Any information about Patrick Power and Richard Power would be much > appreciated. > Regards and thanks for your help. > Dr Con Power > Dr. Power: I always read very carefully the information you submit on the Power/Powers family. My husband's line has John Power married to Margaret Molony in 1842 in Montreal. His parents from that marriage record were the "late" Patrick Power and Catherine Butler. John Power may have had a brother Thomas who eventually followed John and family to OH. I cannot get the Power family back into Ireland. I belong to the Waterford list trying to find a Michael Kanary born between 1838-40. The only thing I have to go on is his obit from OH states born in County Waterford. All I know so far that that the name was not Kanary. Michael Kanary/Canary eventually married Catherine Power, daughter of the above John and Margaret. Lorraine [email protected]

Dear Listers, I would like to say a BIG thank you to all the people who wrote to me re the Kingston look up request.... It was very kind of you all, Bless you. Sandra in sutton coldfield, west midlands.

Hi Listers, I am hoping that SKS on the list can help me please?... I have just found out that my grandmothers Brother was married to a, Francis Elizabeth Glendinning who we believe came from place in Ireland called KINGSTON.... I have looked at maps that i have but, i can not find it anywhere... This information was on the 1901 census so i presume it to be right?.... If anyone can help me with the location og KINGSTON i would be very grateful. Also, if anyone shares the same surname?. Thanks in advance, Sandra.

I am trying to trace information about my great-granduncles, Patrick Power and Richard Power, and hopefully their descendants, if any. I have pleasure in giving the small bit of information that I have about them. Dates of birth: Patrick Power was baptised at Ballybricken Church, Waterford, on 19th August 1823 and Richard Power was baptised at Ballybricken Church on 6th November 1832. They would have been born some days before each of those dates. Parents: William Power and his wife, Mary [nee Feeley]. William Power was baptised in Ballybricken Church, Waterford on 8th October 1804 and his parents were Michael Power and his wife, Brigid [nee Flahavan]. Mary Power [nee Feeley is buried in my family grave in Ballybricken Churchyard in Waterford and is named on the headstone but no dates are given for her and no dates are available in the Church records. Baptisms: Ballybricken Church [Church of the Most Holy Trinity Without], Waterford City Sponsors at Baptism [Patrick Power]: John Power and Ellen Fitzgerald and the priest was Rev M Phelan. Sponsors at Baptism [Richard Power]: Michael Daley and Anastatia Butler and the priest was Rev M Burke. Siblings of Patrick Power and Richard Power: Michael Power baptised 19th August 1823 [my great-grandfather], David Power baptised 29th July 1829 [I have his full life story, her died unmarried], Johanna Power baptised 23rd July 1835 [I have no information about her], Brigid Power baptised 13th September 1836 [she died as an infant], and Brigid Power baptised 26th September 1843 [I have no information about her]. Any information about Patrick Power and Richard Power would be much appreciated. Regards and thanks for your help. Dr Con Power

Hello Re-posting to multiple lists. Recently I found (re-found!) an O'Gorman family tree written up by my greataunt. The first generation are as follows. All born I would guess about 1820-1840. 1.Catherine, married a Coady, had 4 daughters and 2 sons. 2.Mary, married a Grant, had 2 daughters. 3.Ellen, my greatgreatgrandmother, married Patrick Nugent (1812-1895) 7 girls, 3 boys. 4.Bridget, married a Shea (perhaps O'Shea) lived at Beatin in Co.Kilkenny. Had 4 sons, names unknown, and daughters Kate (Mrs Brennan), and Johanna (Mrs Walsh). Kate had sons Larry and Mat. Johanna had 5 children. 5.John. Had 2 sons and 2 daughters. Lived at Stokem or some name similar. 6.Edmund (or Edward). (born about 1836) Lived at Mullenbeg in Co.Kilkenny, but was living in Ballinacurra Co.Waterford in 1911. Had 2 sons, one of whom was Richard born about 1885. 7.James. Married, don't know to whom. Lived at Kells in Co.Kilkenny. 8.Pat. Unmarried 9.Richard. Unmarried. Next generation. A daughter of Ellen, Kate Nugent, married a Comerford from Caherlesk Dunamaggan Co.Kilkenny. Kate had several children, one of whom (Mary Comerford) was still alive in 1977. Hoping some of this looks familiar to someone! Cheers Mick Dowling.

Death Notice Thursday, June 13, 1833 On Friday last, the 7th inst. Mrs. MARY NUGENT , of Waterford, aged 80 years. found at http://ngb.chebucto.org/Newspaper-Obits/nflder-1831-34.shtml

Found CURTIS family of Waterford. Garrett Curtis, master shipbuilder 1789-1882 and his family buried in Newfoundland. Hope this helps someone. Joanne http://ngb.chebucto.org/Cemetery/stjoseph_psm.shtml

Mick, Thanks for the info. Where did Ellen O'Gorman and Patrick Nugent live? My gf was Daniel Carthage O'Gorman b. 1908 to Mary McCarthy and Michael O'Gorman Cappaquin , Lismore Waterford. (Carrignagour) My gf's brother Maurice stayed and his family, a Michael O'Gorman still lives on the family land. My aunts were there this past summer and met their O'Gorman first cousins for the first time. I am just now going through my O'Gorman file and have something 'newsletter'called "The Dunwoodian" Nov. 1934 (I think it's a seminary in NYC??) It has a story about FIRST NY PRIESTS ...article says "It is remembered that Bishop Connolly was consecrated Bishop of New York, in Rome, November 1814. En route to his diocese he visited Ireland to seek priests to accompany him. At Kilkenny College he secured Rev. Mr. Michael O'Gorman whom he ordained and brought with him. They arrived in November 1815.......The last years of Bishop Connolly's life were filled with crosses. His trustees were in rebellion;his financial worries were extreme, and in November 1824, within eight days, his faithful priests and firends Fathers O'Gorman and Richard Bulger died. They were buried at the entrance to the Cathedral ("Old St. Patrick's NYC")." article cites Bishop Bayley's "History of the Catholic Church in New York"published 1853 Perhaps, this Father Michael O'Gorman (d1824) is an uncle to this Kilkenny O'GORMAN group in your tree. Perhaps he is a common ancestor to us both. My gm Josephine Prendergast of Lismore who married Daniel O'Gorman of Carrignagour, Lismore saved this "Dunwoodian" newsletter as the front page had a photo of the schools Jubilee Class 1909 in which her Uncle Thomas F. PRENDERGAST is pictured. Thanks for "REFINDING" your O'Gorman tree...I will dig around for anything else of interest. Joanne Mick wrote: Recently I found (re-found!) an O'Gorman family tree written up by my greataunt. The first generation are as follows. All born I would guess about 1820-1840. 1.Catherine, married a Coady, had 4 daughters and 2 sons. 2.Mary, married a Grant, had 2 daughters. 3.Ellen, my greatgreatgrandmother, married Patrick Nugent (1812-1895) 7 girls, 3 boys. 4.Bridget, married a Shea (perhaps O'Shea) lived at Beatin in Co.Kilkenny. Had 4 sons, names unknown, and daughters Kate (Mrs Brennan), and Johanna (Mrs Walsh). Kate had sons Larry and Mat. Johanna had 5 children. 5.John. Had 2 sons and 2 daughters. Lived at Stokem or some name similar. 6.Edmund (or Edward). (born about 1836) Lived at Mullenbeg in Co.Kilkenny, but was living in Ballinacurra Co.Waterford in 1911. Had 2 sons, one of whom was Richard born about 1885. 7.James. Married, don't know to whom. Lived at Kells in Co.Kilkenny. 8.Pat. Unmarried 9.Richard. Unmarried. Next generation. A daughter of Ellen, Kate Nugent, married a Comerford from Caherlesk Dunamaggan Co.Kilkenny. Kate had several children, one of whom (Mary Comerford) was still alive in 1977. Hoping some of this looks familiar to someone! Cheers Mick Dowling.

I am trying to trace information about my grand-uncle, Henry Power, and hopefully his descendants, if any. I have pleasure in giving the small bit of information that I have about him. Date of birth: 16th April 1857 Parents: Michael Power and his wife, Margaret [nee Martin]. Michael Power was baptised in Ballybricken Church, Waterford on 19th August 1823 and his parents were William Power and his wife, Mary [nee Feeley]. Both Michael Power and his wife, Margaret, are buried in my family grave in Ballybricken Churchyard in Waterford and are named on the headstone but no dates are given for them and no dates are available in the Church records. Address at birth: Spring Garden Alley, Waterford, Ireland Baptism: Church of St John, Ballygunner, Waterford [Parish of St John] Sponsors at Baptism: John Martin and Honor Rourke and the priest was Rev P Nolan Siblings of Henry Power: Mary Ellen Power born 23rd March 1858 in England; Ellen Bridget Power born in Waterford on 14th April 1861 and Elizabeth Power born in Waterford on 11th August 1865. Ellen Bridget Power went to Australia, married Charles Henry Waters, and died on 16th September 1942. I have her complete life history. Elizabeth Power went to Australia, married Allan MacDougall, and died on 27th August 1937. I have her complete life history. Family Stories: Family tradition is that Henry Power went to either South Africa or Australia and was involved in gold mining. I have commissioned research in both South Africa and in Australia but to no avail. Family tradition is that he returned to Ireland at least for a visit in the 1910s or 1920s but I have no proof of this. Any information about this Henry Power would be much appreciated. Regards and thanks for your help. Dr Con Power

Susan Jennings, There is one Waterford entry in Griffith's Valuation of Tenements (1852) for Michael Hankard, Parish Kilwatermoy, Townland Glenawilliam. Kilwatermoy is not in the Roman Catholic Parish of Tallow, however it is only a mile or two to the south east of Tallow Town and Barracks Street, which is in Tallow RC Parish. Easy to imagine that some Hankards left the farm and went in to the town. On my CD of Griffith's I also note that there are a cluster of Mary Hankards in County Cork. I haven't plotted how close to the Cork/Waterford border. Perhaps you could do that. Griffith's is available in many LDS Libraries. On the Waterford County Library web site: http://www.waterfordcoco.ie/index.cgi?cat_id=4 There is a listing of Civil Registration of Deaths to around 1900 from 1860s. There I found the following deaths Hanora Hankard 18 Mar 1868, 1 day old, daughter of Patrick, reported by Mary, loc. Ahanboy John Hankard 30 Apr 1892 age 61 Julia Hankard 14 Nov 1863 age 65, widow of a gardener, loc. Moonhill. Mary Hankard, 13 Nov 1881, spinster, age 16, loc. Glenaboy Mary Hankard 15 Jan 1900, age 64, informant James Carthy, loc. Dukesmill. Patrick Hankard 6 May 1898, loc. Lismore Workhouse, age 61 The library web site has other info for each death which you can look up in your own. I only copied the deaths because they indicate the whereabouts of people who rarely moved. There are births and marriages. I don't know if the locations mentioned are in or near Tallow/Kilwatermoy parishes, but that shouldn't be to hard to figure out. I can recommend the services of the Waterford Family Heritage Center in Waterford City. They have the baptismal records of Tallow RC Parish which begin in 1797. I have been assuming your family were RC. They also have records of other denominations. Have fun! Sheila MacAvoy Block PS My Waterford family name is Michael English. They were also from Tallow Parish--Townland of Glencairn on the banks of the Blackwater River.

I am looking for any decendants of Mary Catherine (Kate) Flynn who married Francis O'Donnell Fitzpatrick in Church of St John Waterford in 1866. Mary Kate's parents were Mary (nee Stoney) and John Flynn. They lived in St John's Avenue, Waterford and John Flynn's occuption is listed as Atorneys Clerk. Francis Fitzpatrick's occuption is listed as Teacher and his father Patrick was also a teacher. Kathleen Butler

Just reposting my interests in the McCarthy family from Tallow, Co Waterford. My great grandfather was James McCarthy who married Bridget Hankard. They had 6 children, Patrick, James and John (all three came over to South Wales after the First World War), Bridget and Molly who never married and remained in the family home in Barrack Street, Tallow, until they died in the 1970s, and Maurice who was killed in an accident when he was young. If anyone knows anything about this family I would appreciate any information as I have been unable to trace any further back, or I would appreciate any suggestions on how/where I can find any information. James was a runner and won some medals in the later 1800s. Hankard is an unusual name and would love to know more about it's origins. My grandfather Patrick fought in the First World War in the South Irish Horse Brigade. I would like to know if James had any brothers/sisters (I believe there were and one of them may have emigrated to the USA or, maybe a cousin did) and I would like to know more about Bridget Hankar! d's family. Thank you, Sue, (nee McCarthy)

Just reposting my interests in the McCarthy family from Tallow, Co Waterford. My great grandfather was James McCarthy who married Bridget Hankard. They had 6 children, Patrick, James and John (all three came over to South Wales after the First World War), Bridget and Molly who never married and remained in the family home in Barrack Street, Tallow, until they died in the 1970s, and Maurice who was killed in an accident when he was young. If anyone knows anything about this family I would appreciate any information as I have been unable to trace any further back, or I would appreciate any suggestions on how/where I can find any information. James was a runner and won some medals in the later 1800s. Hankard is an unusual name and would love to know more about it's origins. My grandfather Patrick fought in the First World War in the South Irish Horse Brigade. I would like to know if James had any brothers/sisters (I believe there were and one of them may have emigrated to the USA or, maybe a cousin did) and I would like to know more about Bridget Hankar! d's family. Thank you, Sue, (nee McCarthy)

1. Dungarvan Museum and The Irish Museum Of The Year Awards 2. Christmas Articles 3. Book Sale 4. Changing Email address for this mailing list ============================================== 1. Dungarvan Museum and The Irish Museum Of The Year Awards ============================================== Dungarvan Museum has won first prize in the Irish Museum awards for the web site www.dungarvanmuseum.org. This an amazing result for a small voluntary museum and we won half of our annual budget as prize money 3850 Euro. The press release can be read below. Thanks to all who provided the site and museum with encouragement, suggestions, artifacts etc. Thanks also to the list administrators who allow us to post our news on these genealogy lists it is very much appreciated. Hopefully this award will be a stepping stone towards the Museum achieving County Museum status. Becoming a County Museum will ensure that we have full time staff and a budget to match our ambition. Yours Martin and Willie Whelan Dungarvan Museum Triumphs At The Museum Of The Year Awards 2002 marks the tenth year of the Museum Of The Year Awards. Originally designed by the Northern Ireland Museums Council at the request of the Calouste Gulbenkian Foundation, the Awards are now promoted in partnership with the Heritage Council in Kilkenny, and the Department of Culture, Arts and Leisure in Northern Ireland. The aims of the Museum of the Year Awards are to highlight and celebrate the achievements of museums and collections as they strive to care and protect our heritage, and make it as accessible to as many people as possible. The Awards are open to all museums, galleries and collections in Ireland which house permanent collections of artefacts. All such institutions are encouraged to enter the Awards scheme: large and small, officially funded or voluntary run, new and established, and covering all interests — arts, natural history, science, archives, military and social history, design, etc. Following on from Dungarvan Museum’s website being short-listed among the top five research museum web sites in the world at the sixth annual Museums and the Web conference (held in Boston), the society was awarded Best Publication for Visitors at the Irish Museum Of The Year Awards 2002, for the innovative approach and excellent design of its web site www.dungarvanmuseum.org . The judges noted the formative partnership between the museum and a local web design company Deise Design www.deisedesign.com . The Best Publication Award went to the museum or gallery, which, in the eyes of the judges, has issued the most appropriate book, catalogue, web site, guide or other publication within the last year. Other museums short listed for the award included, The National Museum Of Ireland, The National Gallery Of Ireland & The Ulster Museum . Publication has traditionally meant bound books printed on paper and distributed via bookshops and other retail outlets. Dungarvan Museum Society has been part of this tradition for as long as it has been in existence. Aware of the costs that can be incurred in producing and distributing speciality publications, the society sought to utilise the new medium of the Internet to create and distribute its ‘publications’ worldwide. Over time the web site evolved into an electronic archive of local history articles. Dungarvan Museum became it’s own publishing house at a cost of €150 per annum. The website is effectively unlimited in size and is automatically distributed worldwide to it’s readers. Despite its voluntary museum status Dungarvan Museum has placed itself at the forefront of online history publication in Ireland. The contents of the web site are broken up into 7 broad categories, General Information, Exhibitions, Artifacts, Photographs, Downloads, Virtual Tours and Desperate Haven ­ The Famine In Dungarvan. Interesting material on the site includes a 400-page history of the Famine in Dungarvan Poor Law Union, Lewis's Topographical Dictionary describing the condition of every Parish in County Waterford in 1837 and the memoirs of George Lennon Officer Commanding West Waterford Flying Column during the War Of Independence. Prior to Christmas it is hoped to publish Siobhan Lincolns book ‘Ardmore Memory And Story’ on the site. At the moment the site has over 1700 pages on local history. The site uses text, video, photographs, virtual tours and downloads to explore many topics of local historical interest (the Famine, the Moresby Disaster, King John’s Castle, Co. Waterford Men in the Great War, War Of Independence etc.). Publishing online is a cost free method for local historians to distribute articles they have written to a larger audience than would normally be available to them. New articles are added on a monthly basis. In the coming months a module will be added to the web site that will make site easier to read for the visually impaired and the colour blind. 1,500 different people visit the Dungarvan Museum web site per week. Putting information online has prompted many people to volunteer donations of artifacts and information. Various diaries, documents and photos that went abroad when their owners emigrated many generations ago are now being donated to the museum. The site allows the Irish Diaspora to ‘connect’ with the area their forefathers originated from in West Waterford. The Society now counts among its membership many people who live abroad and our free online mailing list has over 600 members. The success of Dungarvan Museum’s site revolves around the Content Management System installed by Deise Design www.deisedesign.com , an Internet consultancy based in Dungarvan. The Directors of Deise Design Martin and William Whelan are both committee members of the museum society. As their contribution to preserving the history of Waterford County they donated their software and web design expertise free of charge to the society. A Content Management System is a means of adding and altering content on a web site. Deise Design’s CMS took 3 years to develop. By going to a web site address and entering the correct password museum staff can gain access to the editorial package that allows them to change content on the Museum web site. Adding information to the site requires very little training; typically a staff member with experience of Microsoft Word can place text, images, downloads & hyperlinks on the site after 3 hours training. Many authors can simultaneously contribute content to the web site from different geographic locations, while the museum retains editorial control. Museum staff can directly change web pages and highlight and prioritise the newest and most important content, quickly and easily. ============================================== 2. Christmas Articles ============================================== We plan to put two articles on the museum web site between now and christmas. Eddie Cantwell a museum committee member has discovered 1 minute and 40 seconds of newsreel footage of Dungarvan in 1920. The footage is very exciting and the earliest film known to exist of the town. Congratulations to Eddie for this piece of detective work. The footage will be available free of charge on the Museum site in the next two week or so. The second article we are putting up is a book by Siobhan Lincoln the well known author from Ardmore. The book is a detailed look at growing up in Ardmore in the 30's and 40's. ============================================== 3. Book Sale ============================================== The annual museum book sale is set for the end of January 2003. The last book sale allowed us to buy the lights for the gallery area. With the proceed of this book sale it is hoped to buy conservation material. If anyone in the West Waterford are has books they don't want please drop them in to the museum.

I am wondering if this surname is at all familiar with anyone there in the Waterford area. I am working on a possible connection between this name and BRADLEY and GADSDEN. If anyone knows anything at all about any of these names, please contact me! Judy

Forgot to include that Thomas GEARY was a baker. >Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 20:23:54 -0500 >To: [email protected],[email protected] >From: Pat Friend <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [WAT] GEARY FAMILY >Cc: >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > >I have some GEARYs that ended migrated from Portlaw to Fall River. >Don't know if this information is useful or not but here goes... > >Honora GRADY (daughter of Patrick GRADY and Brigid FOLEY) m. Thomas >GEARY, 30 Jan. 1863, Portlaw, Co. Waterford > >They had the following children born in Portlaw: > >Walter A. (b. 18 Dec. 1863,d. 7 Aug. 1887 in Fall River) >Margaret M. (b. 25 Dec. 1864, d. 27 Sep. 1885 in Fall River) >Brigid M. (b. 15 Mar. 1868, d. 13 Nov. 1943 in Fall River) >Patrick "John" (b. ca 7 Aug 1870, d. 4 Sep 1891 in Fall River) >John L. (b. 10 Feb 1872, d. 22 Oct. 1960 in Massachusetts - married >but no children) >Thomas F. (b. ca. 22 Apr. 1874, d. 12 Jul. 1938 in Massachusetts) > >After they married, it appears that Thomas and Honora lived with her >parents and siblings in Portlaw. All of her siblings had emigrated >by the time her father Patrick GRADY died in 1876. Her mother >emigrated shortly after his death. At that point it appears that the >GEARY family moved to Carlow. > >Michael A. (b. Baganelstown, Co. Carlow 24 Sep. 1877, d. April 1965 >in Massachusetts) - believe he married but haven't found marriage >record - son Francis ended up living with his grandmother Honora) > >Mary (b. ca. Dec 1879, Ireland - haven't found birth record, d. 29 >Mar. 1881, Fall River) > >Jeremiah J. (b. 19 Nov. 1881 in Fall River, d. May 1966, Brookline, >Massachusetts) - married, five children > >Figure the family had emigrated by March 1881 but most likely after >the time of the 1880 census as they aren't to be found in Fall River >for the census - can tell from comments in city directories that >Thomas GEARY died somewhere from 1885-1887 but I haven't been able >to find a death record for him in Massachusetts or Ireland. The >GEARYs who died in Fall River are buried in the same cemetery >(forget which one). > > > >>Hello, >> >>I am re-posting my elusive family. PATRICK GEARY married to ALICE CASHIN, >>about 1850 [place unknown]. Their "known" children were: Michael - 1854, >>Patrick - 1861, John - 1862, John - 1864, Richard - 1867, Mary - 1873...these >>children all came to Fall River, Massachusetts. >> >>The children all listed "Clonmel, Tipperary" as their place of origin, >>although I have not been able to locate any information on this family in >>Clonmel. I know that their were several GEARY families in Waterford, and >>wonder if anyone knows of this family or the CASHIN family? I think the >>family may have been from Waterford originally. >> >>Thanks for any assistance, >> Paula >> >>______________________________