Hi again Sue (from the Wren/Wrenn family discussions 8-) There definitely was a name for the mother in the box for it on her death certificate.. but it was just so totally smeared as happens often on old docs like that that none of us could begin to figure it out... The story told by my long dead Uncle was he thought there was a son besides the daughters.. maybe more sons though he said he really didn't know. He said he thought maybe either thefather's name was William and the son's Henry, or maybe the opposite.. He was only really sure on the blacksmith occupation part.. though at the end he even hedged a bit there to say maybe it was the son who was the blacksmith..He ended it by saying it had been so very very long ago, he so very young then and so old now that he just couldn't be sure anymore... he died a year or two later back abt 1990 His twin brother had already died back in 1976, my Mom died in 1973 and the infant sister of them that I just discovered existed (discovered a year ago) died before the 1910 census. Margaret only had those 4 children and she herself died in 1954, her husband in 1949. Since my Mom died rather suddenly and unexpectedly to me.. I never managed to have that long talk about her ancestors I had intended to have 'some day'.... When they were married Margaret and her husband charles Eugene Johsnson Sr. settled in the little town of Relay in Baltimore Co., MD in a house just 2 away from the Relay Station on the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad main line. that station now is the 'St Denis stop on teh Mark commuter rail... St. denis was the name of the community on the other side of the railroad tracks.. Margaret Agnes Murphy had one sister named Mary Blanch 'May' Murphy who married William gerald Vernetson Sr. and sittled with him in a house in St. Denis built by one of his ancestors a few generations prior. Back before my grandmother's death i remember hearing my Mom talk about also having an 'Aunt Kay'.. that she had two Aunts who were sisters... 'May' and 'Kay' and that Kay married a 'kemp' who's first name I never learned.. Kay and husband I have never managed to track down... not sure if she was still living when I was still so young.. I suspect not as we never went to visit her as we did with May. (Mary blanh Murphy)... I managed to find in the 1900 Census a John Murphy and wife ..living in the same District in Baltimore co. as did William Vernetson's stepfatehr (with William in that household).. this John Murphy being close in age to the age of the John in Olny in 1880 and born in Ireland as that John was according to the 1880 Census. This John had a different wife though.. In the 1910 Census I found a Thomas Murphy living in that same Baltimore Co. District as the vernetson house... this Thomas of an age not much off the age of the son Thomas the John Murphy had in the 1880 Census... No proof these were the Olny family... but possible... According to Margaret gnes Murphy's death certificate her father was born in Ireland. I think it also said the mother was born in England but I'd have to recheck as its been a few years since Ilast looked at it.. Again the death certificate said the father was a 'Thomas Murphy'.... Where in DC was that District 79 in the 1880 Census that you say had those two housholds containing Murphys ??? Can you tell ?? It could be possible for the father to have died or seperated.. but if so then were were the other chidlren (Mary Blanch 'May' and Katherine/Catherine 'Kay' ?? I just wish there was still someone living to talk to which of course there is not. Mary Blanch's one grandaughter and one grandson know next to nothing.. far less than I do.... and we are permantly out of touch with the sons of my Mom's two Johnson brothers.. So every once in a while I try again to see if I can find anything on this part of my ancestors... I ahve other lines tracked back centrries inot parts of Europe and scandinavia.. but his has always been a dead end line.. Thnks for the link for MD records....8-) Joe [email protected]

Hi again Joe, Sorry to not be specific enough on the 1880 census. They were in the City of Washington, District 79, Page 209D, Family 420/499. I was thinking that since Henry Murphy was living next-door, it was possible that he was the father of Maggie. It could be that Maggie was the oldest child and therefore the only one listed in the 1880 census, and any other children such as the siblings you mentioned could have been born after that. Not to say that all of this is the case, but it's another avenue to consider. Have you tried getting the death certificate for Mary Blanch "May" Murphy Vernetson? Btw, I did find a William Vernetson in the SSDI: Name: William Vernetson SSN: 218-03-0382 Born: 6 Oct 1906 Died: Aug 1969 State (Year) SSN issued: Maryland (Before 1951 ) Sue Dotson [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Slavin To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] Donovan,Mary C. Hi again Sue (from the Wren/Wrenn family discussions 8-) There definitely was a name for the mother in the box for it on her death certificate.. but it was just so totally smeared as happens often on old docs like that that none of us could begin to figure it out... The story told by my long dead Uncle was he thought there was a son besides the daughters.. maybe more sons though he said he really didn't know. He said he thought maybe either thefather's name was William and the son's Henry, or maybe the opposite.. He was only really sure on the blacksmith occupation part.. though at the end he even hedged a bit there to say maybe it was the son who was the blacksmith..He ended it by saying it had been so very very long ago, he so very young then and so old now that he just couldn't be sure anymore... he died a year or two later back abt 1990 His twin brother had already died back in 1976, my Mom died in 1973 and the infant sister of them that I just discovered existed (discovered a year ago) died before the 1910 census. Margaret only had those 4 children and she herself died in 1954, her husband in 1949. Since my Mom died rather suddenly and unexpectedly to me.. I never managed to have that long talk about her ancestors I had intended to have 'some day'.... When they were married Margaret and her husband charles Eugene Johsnson Sr. settled in the little town of Relay in Baltimore Co., MD in a house just 2 away from the Relay Station on the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad main line. that station now is the 'St Denis stop on teh Mark commuter rail... St. denis was the name of the community on the other side of the railroad tracks.. Margaret Agnes Murphy had one sister named Mary Blanch 'May' Murphy who married William gerald Vernetson Sr. and sittled with him in a house in St. Denis built by one of his ancestors a few generations prior. Back before my grandmother's death i remember hearing my Mom talk about also having an 'Aunt Kay'.. that she had two Aunts who were sisters... 'May' and 'Kay' and that Kay married a 'kemp' who's first name I never learned.. Kay and husband I have never managed to track down... not sure if she was still living when I was still so young.. I suspect not as we never went to visit her as we did with May. (Mary blanh Murphy)... I managed to find in the 1900 Census a John Murphy and wife ..living in the same District in Baltimore co. as did William Vernetson's stepfatehr (with William in that household).. this John Murphy being close in age to the age of the John in Olny in 1880 and born in Ireland as that John was according to the 1880 Census. This John had a different wife though.. In the 1910 Census I found a Thomas Murphy living in that same Baltimore Co. District as the vernetson house... this Thomas of an age not much off the age of the son Thomas the John Murphy had in the 1880 Census... No proof these were the Olny family... but possible... According to Margaret gnes Murphy's death certificate her father was born in Ireland. I think it also said the mother was born in England but I'd have to recheck as its been a few years since Ilast looked at it.. Again the death certificate said the father was a 'Thomas Murphy'.... Where in DC was that District 79 in the 1880 Census that you say had those two housholds containing Murphys ??? Can you tell ?? It could be possible for the father to have died or seperated.. but if so then were were the other chidlren (Mary Blanch 'May' and Katherine/Catherine 'Kay' ?? I just wish there was still someone living to talk to which of course there is not. Mary Blanch's one grandaughter and one grandson know next to nothing.. far less than I do.... and we are permantly out of touch with the sons of my Mom's two Johnson brothers.. So every once in a while I try again to see if I can find anything on this part of my ancestors... I ahve other lines tracked back centrries inot parts of Europe and scandinavia.. but his has always been a dead end line.. Thnks for the link for MD records....8-) Joe [email protected] ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. 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