Hi William- Thank you for your guidance. :) Is it possible that he just never applied for Social Security? I'm going to find out on Monday where he was living in 1962, I'm hoping I can figure out more from that. I just want to say that Congressional has an amazing website, thank you! Kate William Boswell <whboswell@verizon.net> wrote: Social Security would still list you whether you're an employee of the government or not. My own listings with the Social Security Administration show my government time blank because I was paying into another system, but still paying for Medicare. If you want to try to get a death certificate (DC Arhives or otherwise), they will require a death date/burial date and he must have died in DC. However, if they died in another state and were transferred to a DC cemetery then there would be a transit certificate. I'm not sure if the DC Archives have these. I know cemeteries have them for the ones transferred from one place to another. A transit certificate has most of the information from a death certificate, but the primary purpose is for a local funeral home to take possession, transfer the remains to a cemetery, and burial. I know D.C. law requires a transit certificate especially for out-of-state deaths. These are provided by the funeral home/mortuaries. When I worked at Congressional Cemetery, I recorded all of the einformation from it to the database, then filed it away in one of the cabinets. -----Original Message----- From: washingtondc-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:washingtondc-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Emaress Nova Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 1:28 PM To: washingtondc@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WashDC] looking death record/obit for Albert W Lybrand Kate, Do you know if Mr. Lybrand was still living in DC in 1962 when he last corresponded with Washington & Lee? If he was not listed in SSDI and was still living in DC most likely he was a US Gov't employee and therefore did not have social security. If you know for sure he was still in DC then you might try for his death certificate. If he was living in Virginia or Maryland - hopefully that last correspondence would indicate an address - then try for death certificate in whichever state he had lived in. Also, check with DC Library for a listing in the city directory. Library of Congress has telephone books that go back to - well way back LOL Hope this gives you some ideas. My God provides my every need according to His riches in glory. Amen ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WASHINGTONDC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WASHINGTONDC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.

Kate, My sister once asked why a member of our family was not listed on the SSDI and she was given two reasons. One is that the person never had a social security card and the other is that the death was never reported. We have a number of family members that fall into that category. However, if you have an idea when and where he died, perhaps you can find who the undertaker was and they have wonderful records, including details of where next of kin can be found, and dates of obits in specific newspapers. If the undertaker has gone out of business, somewhere there is an archive of their records. Mary My God provides my every need according to His riches in glory. Amen ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting

It's possible that he never applied to Social Security. I had two cousins (both committed suicide) and I could not find either one in the SSDI database. Either their names were misspelled or they never had social security numbers. They came from a very rich family so why would they care to work. -----Original Message----- From: washingtondc-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:washingtondc-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of kate Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 7:59 AM To: washingtondc@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WashDC] looking death record/obit for Albert W Lybrand Hi William- Thank you for your guidance. :) Is it possible that he just never applied for Social Security? I'm going to find out on Monday where he was living in 1962, I'm hoping I can figure out more from that. I just want to say that Congressional has an amazing website, thank you! Kate William Boswell <whboswell@verizon.net> wrote: Social Security would still list you whether you're an employee of the government or not. My own listings with the Social Security Administration show my government time blank because I was paying into another system, but still paying for Medicare. If you want to try to get a death certificate (DC Arhives or otherwise), they will require a death date/burial date and he must have died in DC. However, if they died in another state and were transferred to a DC cemetery then there would be a transit certificate. I'm not sure if the DC Archives have these. I know cemeteries have them for the ones transferred from one place to another. A transit certificate has most of the information from a death certificate, but the primary purpose is for a local funeral home to take possession, transfer the remains to a cemetery, and burial. I know D.C. law requires a transit certificate especially for out-of-state deaths. These are provided by the funeral home/mortuaries. When I worked at Congressional Cemetery, I recorded all of the einformation from it to the database, then filed it away in one of the cabinets. -----Original Message----- From: washingtondc-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:washingtondc-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Emaress Nova Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 1:28 PM To: washingtondc@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WashDC] looking death record/obit for Albert W Lybrand Kate, Do you know if Mr. Lybrand was still living in DC in 1962 when he last corresponded with Washington & Lee? If he was not listed in SSDI and was still living in DC most likely he was a US Gov't employee and therefore did not have social security. If you know for sure he was still in DC then you might try for his death certificate. If he was living in Virginia or Maryland - hopefully that last correspondence would indicate an address - then try for death certificate in whichever state he had lived in. Also, check with DC Library for a listing in the city directory. Library of Congress has telephone books that go back to - well way back LOL Hope this gives you some ideas. My God provides my every need according to His riches in glory. Amen ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WASHINGTONDC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WASHINGTONDC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WASHINGTONDC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When a person dies they only show up in the SSDI when someone request a death benefit. Neither my mother or grandmother appear on the list although they did receive SS benefits. Not sure of the rules for receiving a death benefit from SS but I think you have to be a spouse or a dependant. Faye ----- Original Message ----- From: kate To: washingtondc@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 6:58 AM Subject: Re: [WashDC] looking death record/obit for Albert W Lybrand Hi William- Thank you for your guidance. :) Is it possible that he just never applied for Social Security? I'm going to find out on Monday where he was living in 1962, I'm hoping I can figure out more from that. I just want to say that Congressional has an amazing website, thank you! Kate William Boswell <whboswell@verizon.net> wrote: Social Security would still list you whether you're an employee of the government or not. My own listings with the Social Security Administration show my government time blank because I was paying into another system, but still paying for Medicare. If you want to try to get a death certificate (DC Arhives or otherwise), they will require a death date/burial date and he must have died in DC. However, if they died in another state and were transferred to a DC cemetery then there would be a transit certificate. I'm not sure if the DC Archives have these. I know cemeteries have them for the ones transferred from one place to another. A transit certificate has most of the information from a death certificate, but the primary purpose is for a local funeral home to take possession, transfer the remains to a cemetery, and burial. I know D.C. law requires a transit certificate especially for out-of-state deaths. These are provided by the funeral home/mortuaries. When I worked at Congressional Cemetery, I recorded all of the einformation from it to the database, then filed it away in one of the cabinets. -----Original Message----- From: washingtondc-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:washingtondc-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Emaress Nova Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 1:28 PM To: washingtondc@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WashDC] looking death record/obit for Albert W Lybrand Kate, Do you know if Mr. Lybrand was still living in DC in 1962 when he last corresponded with Washington & Lee? If he was not listed in SSDI and was still living in DC most likely he was a US Gov't employee and therefore did not have social security. If you know for sure he was still in DC then you might try for his death certificate. If he was living in Virginia or Maryland - hopefully that last correspondence would indicate an address - then try for death certificate in whichever state he had lived in. Also, check with DC Library for a listing in the city directory. Library of Congress has telephone books that go back to - well way back LOL Hope this gives you some ideas. My God provides my every need according to His riches in glory. Amen ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WASHINGTONDC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WASHINGTONDC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WASHINGTONDC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

They will also be on the SS Death Index if their death is reported. My mother could not receive a death benefit because my father had already received it and she had no children under 18 to receive it. But since I reported her death to stop social security benefits she appears on the list.