No, but if you do search thru Google you will find it easily. I do have a snail mail address for them though and a contact name. Kathy Smith Saint Louis Public Library 1301 Olive Street St. Louis, MO 63103 Hope this is useful. ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com

Can you give us the web address for the St. Louis library? Jan Scott In a message dated 6/23/2005 9:13:16 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Another note abut St Louis - they have an excellent library online that has lots of things you would not expect. I found my mother's birth record when no one else had it - and they sent me a copy for 2.50!

Chuck, Thank you for the information on the Law Library. I never knew that existed! And I've been wanting to go someplace where they have the Baltimore Sun! Wow! Harry At 05:18 PM 6/23/2005 EDT, you wrote: > To be fair, the budget cuts started before the current administration. >It hit the archives hard in the summer of 2002... Being a regular week- >end visitor at that time, I remember that time frame quite well... It forced >them to close on Mondays and Tuesdays... The microfilm readers >began remaining broken for long periods of time... > > Before you make a trip to the archives in Annapolis, thoroughly check >out their web site to plan ahead at what you want to search for and write >down the microfilm numbers that may have the information ... All their >microfilm resources are listed on the web pages >(http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us)... > > Also, they usually have more volunteer help available on Saturdays... > > Also, if going there, it is very worthwhile to go directly across the >street to the Law library... They have a large collection of Maryland >genealogy books divided by county, as well as a vast collection of >other genealogy-related books... They also have the Baltimore Sun >on microfilm... It is well worth your time... > >Chuck > > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Another note abut St Louis - they have an excellent library online that has lots of things you would not expect. I found my mother's birth record when no one else had it - and they sent me a copy for 2.50! ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com

To be fair, the budget cuts started before the current administration. It hit the archives hard in the summer of 2002... Being a regular week- end visitor at that time, I remember that time frame quite well... It forced them to close on Mondays and Tuesdays... The microfilm readers began remaining broken for long periods of time... Before you make a trip to the archives in Annapolis, thoroughly check out their web site to plan ahead at what you want to search for and write down the microfilm numbers that may have the information ... All their microfilm resources are listed on the web pages (http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us)... Also, they usually have more volunteer help available on Saturdays... Also, if going there, it is very worthwhile to go directly across the street to the Law library... They have a large collection of Maryland genealogy books divided by county, as well as a vast collection of other genealogy-related books... They also have the Baltimore Sun on microfilm... It is well worth your time... Chuck

Yes, putting all sorts of records online is a tremendous help. If any of you need Catholic Cemetery records for St. Louis, MO, the Archdiocese has put them online. You can search for burials in an individual cemetery or all of the Catholic Cemeteries in the area at once. Whenever I get a chance, I e-mail other Archdiocesan websites and suggest that they do the same. It then allows the counselors to do the rest of their job better. Check www.stlcathcem.com if you need that information for anyone in your family. Cordially, Betty Torno St. Louis, MO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Davis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] MD Archives > The governor is cutting everything to the bone because of the tax > incentivies he is giving to business to stay in Md. > Maryland has the online death index project they started. The remaining > years from 1945 to 1972 were supposed to be put on line in May of 2004. They > are still not posted. They have volunteers that are doing the work but with > again only a few people who volunteered the work is going slow. I wish they > could soon finish it. Because when you find a death you click on print out > the request, mail it and in about two weeks you get the death certificate. > Maryland said they had so many requests for death certificates, and that > putting them on line and handling requests this way generated the funds but > saved lookup time and personnel...I think it is a good idea if it is ever > finished. I wish most states would do it that way. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Dotson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 8:52 AM > Subject: [WashingtonDC'' ] MD Archives > > > > Speaking of being "short-staffed and underbudgeted," I went to the MD > > Archives in Annapolis yesterday. I am not local so it has been several > > years since I've been there, and have only been there twice before, so I > > am still unsure of myself. I figured out how to use the card file and > > found a file card on a marriage I have been looking for, but then did not > > know what to do with that information (i.e. does finding a card mean they > > have more information on this marriage?) I was never able to get any help > > whatsoever. There were only two employees behind the counter, and both > > had lines of people waiting the remaining 2 hours I was there. They even > > had a sign posted on the counter saying "Due to budget constraints we are > > understaffed. Please be patient." > > > > Back at the card file I saw a couple looking in a drawer so I asked them > > if they knew what to do if you find a card of interest in the drawer. > > They didn't either, and were complaining that they had driven all the way > > from Indiana and were extremely discouraged and disgusted that they > > couldn't get any help either. Another woman heard us and voiced her > > complaints also. So I was not alone with my disappointment over the > > experience there yesterday. > > > > Sue Dotson > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 10:09 PM > > Subject: [WashingtonDC'' ] Coroner's Inquest > > > > > > Can anyone on the list tell me if you can obtain the results of a > > coroner's > > inquest held in 1937. My grandfather was struck by a trolley car and, > > according to a Washington Post article, there was to be a coroner's > > inquest held > > the following day. I could not find an article in the Post showing the > > results > > of the coroner's inquest. > > > > Also, has anyone on the list had any luck in obtaining requested > > documents > > from the DC Archives. I've read on the list in the past of people having > > difficulty with requests. I need to obtain some marriage records for > > the late > > 1800's and early 1900s and wonder if the DC Archives is responding to > > requests. > > I understand they have been short-staffed and underbudgeted although I > > had > > any requests I made a couple of years ago answered shortly after I > > submitted > > them. > > > > > > ============================== > > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

We are indeed related! I'll forward this to my home e-mail and touch base with you. Brenda J Scott -----Original Message----- From: Janice M. Parker [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] MD Archives Yes Maam Sarah Lucetia Mossburg is my g-grandmother and Anne Elizabeth Benson my gg-grandmother and Mary Ann Talbott daughter of Lewin my ggg-grandmother. Jan in FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott, Brenda" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:33 AM Subject: RE: [WashingtonDC'' ] MD Archives > Ms Janice > Are you related to the Benson, Talbotts, Mossburgs? > > Brenda J Scott > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Janice M. Parker [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:15 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] MD Archives > > I would think that you should get some response from your congressman. > At > least express your concerns. Sounds like the funding for the Maryland > Archives has been cut to the bone. This has just happened over the last > few > years. I remember being able to get wills and documents through the > mail. > Seems as if we are going backward instead of forward. > > Jan in FL > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Dotson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 9:52 AM > Subject: [WashingtonDC'' ] MD Archives > > > > Speaking of being "short-staffed and underbudgeted," I went to the MD > Archives in Annapolis yesterday. I am not local so it has been several > years since I've been there, and have only been there twice before, so I > am > still unsure of myself. I figured out how to use the card file and > found a > file card on a marriage I have been looking for, but then did not know > what > to do with that information (i.e. does finding a card mean they have > more > information on this marriage?) I was never able to get any help > whatsoever. > There were only two employees behind the counter, and both had lines of > people waiting the remaining 2 hours I was there. They even had a sign > posted on the counter saying "Due to budget constraints we are > understaffed. > Please be patient." > > > > Back at the card file I saw a couple looking in a drawer so I asked > them > if they knew what to do if you find a card of interest in the drawer. > They > didn't either, and were complaining that they had driven all the way > from > Indiana and were extremely discouraged and disgusted that they couldn't > get > any help either. Another woman heard us and voiced her complaints also. > So > I was not alone with my disappointment over the experience there > yesterday. > > > > Sue Dotson > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 10:09 PM > > Subject: [WashingtonDC'' ] Coroner's Inquest > > > > > > Can anyone on the list tell me if you can obtain the results of a > coroner's > > inquest held in 1937. My grandfather was struck by a trolley car > and, > > according to a Washington Post article, there was to be a coroner's > inquest held > > the following day. I could not find an article in the Post showing > the > results > > of the coroner's inquest. > > > > Also, has anyone on the list had any luck in obtaining requested > documents > > from the DC Archives. I've read on the list in the past of people > having > > difficulty with requests. I need to obtain some marriage records > for > the late > > 1800's and early 1900s and wonder if the DC Archives is responding > to > requests. > > I understand they have been short-staffed and underbudgeted > although I > had > > any requests I made a couple of years ago answered shortly after I > submitted > > them. > > > > > > ============================== > > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

perhaps more people should volunteer to transcribe records that way we can all not worry about having to go to the archives -----Original Message----- From: Janice M. Parker [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] MD Archives Yes Maam Sarah Lucetia Mossburg is my g-grandmother and Anne Elizabeth Benson my gg-grandmother and Mary Ann Talbott daughter of Lewin my ggg-grandmother. Jan in FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott, Brenda" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:33 AM Subject: RE: [WashingtonDC'' ] MD Archives > Ms Janice > Are you related to the Benson, Talbotts, Mossburgs? > > Brenda J Scott > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Janice M. Parker [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:15 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] MD Archives > > I would think that you should get some response from your congressman. > At > least express your concerns. Sounds like the funding for the Maryland > Archives has been cut to the bone. This has just happened over the last > few > years. I remember being able to get wills and documents through the > mail. > Seems as if we are going backward instead of forward. > > Jan in FL > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Dotson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 9:52 AM > Subject: [WashingtonDC'' ] MD Archives > > > > Speaking of being "short-staffed and underbudgeted," I went to the MD > Archives in Annapolis yesterday. I am not local so it has been several > years since I've been there, and have only been there twice before, so I > am > still unsure of myself. I figured out how to use the card file and > found a > file card on a marriage I have been looking for, but then did not know > what > to do with that information (i.e. does finding a card mean they have > more > information on this marriage?) I was never able to get any help > whatsoever. > There were only two employees behind the counter, and both had lines of > people waiting the remaining 2 hours I was there. They even had a sign > posted on the counter saying "Due to budget constraints we are > understaffed. > Please be patient." > > > > Back at the card file I saw a couple looking in a drawer so I asked > them > if they knew what to do if you find a card of interest in the drawer. > They > didn't either, and were complaining that they had driven all the way > from > Indiana and were extremely discouraged and disgusted that they couldn't > get > any help either. Another woman heard us and voiced her complaints also. > So > I was not alone with my disappointment over the experience there > yesterday. > > > > Sue Dotson > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected]otsweb.com > > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 10:09 PM > > Subject: [WashingtonDC'' ] Coroner's Inquest > > > > > > Can anyone on the list tell me if you can obtain the results of a > coroner's > > inquest held in 1937. My grandfather was struck by a trolley car > and, > > according to a Washington Post article, there was to be a coroner's > inquest held > > the following day. I could not find an article in the Post showing > the > results > > of the coroner's inquest. > > > > Also, has anyone on the list had any luck in obtaining requested > documents > > from the DC Archives. I've read on the list in the past of people > having > > difficulty with requests. I need to obtain some marriage records > for > the late > > 1800's and early 1900s and wonder if the DC Archives is responding > to > requests. > > I understand they have been short-staffed and underbudgeted > although I > had > > any requests I made a couple of years ago answered shortly after I > submitted > > them. > > > > > > ============================== > > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Yes Maam Sarah Lucetia Mossburg is my g-grandmother and Anne Elizabeth Benson my gg-grandmother and Mary Ann Talbott daughter of Lewin my ggg-grandmother. Jan in FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott, Brenda" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:33 AM Subject: RE: [WashingtonDC'' ] MD Archives > Ms Janice > Are you related to the Benson, Talbotts, Mossburgs? > > Brenda J Scott > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Janice M. Parker [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:15 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] MD Archives > > I would think that you should get some response from your congressman. > At > least express your concerns. Sounds like the funding for the Maryland > Archives has been cut to the bone. This has just happened over the last > few > years. I remember being able to get wills and documents through the > mail. > Seems as if we are going backward instead of forward. > > Jan in FL > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Dotson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 9:52 AM > Subject: [WashingtonDC'' ] MD Archives > > > > Speaking of being "short-staffed and underbudgeted," I went to the MD > Archives in Annapolis yesterday. I am not local so it has been several > years since I've been there, and have only been there twice before, so I > am > still unsure of myself. I figured out how to use the card file and > found a > file card on a marriage I have been looking for, but then did not know > what > to do with that information (i.e. does finding a card mean they have > more > information on this marriage?) I was never able to get any help > whatsoever. > There were only two employees behind the counter, and both had lines of > people waiting the remaining 2 hours I was there. They even had a sign > posted on the counter saying "Due to budget constraints we are > understaffed. > Please be patient." > > > > Back at the card file I saw a couple looking in a drawer so I asked > them > if they knew what to do if you find a card of interest in the drawer. > They > didn't either, and were complaining that they had driven all the way > from > Indiana and were extremely discouraged and disgusted that they couldn't > get > any help either. Another woman heard us and voiced her complaints also. > So > I was not alone with my disappointment over the experience there > yesterday. > > > > Sue Dotson > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 10:09 PM > > Subject: [WashingtonDC'' ] Coroner's Inquest > > > > > > Can anyone on the list tell me if you can obtain the results of a > coroner's > > inquest held in 1937. My grandfather was struck by a trolley car > and, > > according to a Washington Post article, there was to be a coroner's > inquest held > > the following day. I could not find an article in the Post showing > the > results > > of the coroner's inquest. > > > > Also, has anyone on the list had any luck in obtaining requested > documents > > from the DC Archives. I've read on the list in the past of people > having > > difficulty with requests. I need to obtain some marriage records > for > the late > > 1800's and early 1900s and wonder if the DC Archives is responding > to > requests. > > I understand they have been short-staffed and underbudgeted > although I > had > > any requests I made a couple of years ago answered shortly after I > submitted > > them. > > > > > > ============================== > > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

Ms Janice Are you related to the Benson, Talbotts, Mossburgs? Brenda J Scott -----Original Message----- From: Janice M. Parker [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:15 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] MD Archives I would think that you should get some response from your congressman. At least express your concerns. Sounds like the funding for the Maryland Archives has been cut to the bone. This has just happened over the last few years. I remember being able to get wills and documents through the mail. Seems as if we are going backward instead of forward. Jan in FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Dotson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 9:52 AM Subject: [WashingtonDC'' ] MD Archives > Speaking of being "short-staffed and underbudgeted," I went to the MD Archives in Annapolis yesterday. I am not local so it has been several years since I've been there, and have only been there twice before, so I am still unsure of myself. I figured out how to use the card file and found a file card on a marriage I have been looking for, but then did not know what to do with that information (i.e. does finding a card mean they have more information on this marriage?) I was never able to get any help whatsoever. There were only two employees behind the counter, and both had lines of people waiting the remaining 2 hours I was there. They even had a sign posted on the counter saying "Due to budget constraints we are understaffed. Please be patient." > > Back at the card file I saw a couple looking in a drawer so I asked them if they knew what to do if you find a card of interest in the drawer. They didn't either, and were complaining that they had driven all the way from Indiana and were extremely discouraged and disgusted that they couldn't get any help either. Another woman heard us and voiced her complaints also. So I was not alone with my disappointment over the experience there yesterday. > > Sue Dotson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 10:09 PM > Subject: [WashingtonDC'' ] Coroner's Inquest > > > Can anyone on the list tell me if you can obtain the results of a coroner's > inquest held in 1937. My grandfather was struck by a trolley car and, > according to a Washington Post article, there was to be a coroner's inquest held > the following day. I could not find an article in the Post showing the results > of the coroner's inquest. > > Also, has anyone on the list had any luck in obtaining requested documents > from the DC Archives. I've read on the list in the past of people having > difficulty with requests. I need to obtain some marriage records for the late > 1800's and early 1900s and wonder if the DC Archives is responding to requests. > I understand they have been short-staffed and underbudgeted although I had > any requests I made a couple of years ago answered shortly after I submitted > them. > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hi Sue, I wish I had known you were going to the Archives; I would have met you there and could have offered you some help. The card files hold all sorts of references to records but MOST indicate a source for the original record and possibly an abstract. A lot of the files are microfilmed and many are in paper files that a staff member has to pull. I was there Thursday last week assisting a cousin from CA do research on her BURNES line form PG Co. She found a reference in the card catalogue, then completed a file request, placing it in a bin on the main counter in the rear. A young man had that file to her within minutes and it contained a wealth of info (estate papers). I also had a couple of chancery court files pulled (I had them at my desk in a few minutes, as well). So many Marylanders migrated into D.C., it is worthwhile to check MD records for many folks researching D.C. lines. I know the lack of help is very frustrating, however, complaining to the overworked staff (many are contract employees with no benefits; there are fewer volunteers, etc.) will not help anything. In 2002, the legislature (Marylanders should write their state delegate and senator to complain) made massive cuts to the Archive's budget. The staffing used to be outstanding, so the skeleton crew they have now is really sad. Since the state is cutting medical to low-income residents, I don't foresee any relief to the situation in the near future. Unfortunately, there is no real research guide - but there are many records online as well as a reference guide as to the holdings. The main URL is: http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/homepage/html/homepage.html Reference & Research: http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/homepage/html/refserv.html About the budget cuts: "Dr. Edward C. Papenfuse, Maryland State Archivist, said of the changes: 'We regret having to curtail our services to the public but these changes are unavoidable given the reductions in our budget for Fiscal Year 2003 which begins on July 1. We hope our patrons will understand the reasons for this, and we will do our best to continue to provide the high quality of service that our patrons have come to expect of us.' " Useful Search engine for the online special collections. On the right, just check off one range at a time to get all records for the keyword(s) you are seeking. A lot more is online, so that's an improvement: http://aomol.net/megafile/msa/speccol/sc2900/sc2908/html/search.html. I don't think from 1850 on is operable yet, though~ On July 5, I start a new fulltime job (about 50 hours a week for a while), so won't be able to do much research for some time but I do have a few wills to pull from Prerogative court records I found while there, so will probably go one more day while working. Also, I would like to go to Cedar Hill Cem. in Suitland before I start the job, probably on a Saturday (traffic will be better then, I hope) - does anyone on the list who lives in the D.C. area wish to join me?? Kathleen Bowen Gambrills, Maryland [email protected] or [email protected] FTM pages: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/b/o/w/Kathleen-E-Bowen Folk Alley.com - All Music. All The Time: http://www.folkalley.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Dotson To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 9:52 AM Subject: [WashingtonDC'' ] MD Archives Speaking of being "short-staffed and underbudgeted," I went to the MD Archives in Annapolis yesterday. I am not local so it has been several years since I've been there, and have only been there twice before, so I am still unsure of myself. I figured out how to use the card file and found a file card on a marriage I have been looking for, but then did not know what to do with that information (i.e. does finding a card mean they have more information on this marriage?) I was never able to get any help whatsoever. There were only two employees behind the counter, and both had lines of people waiting the remaining 2 hours I was there. They even had a sign posted on the counter saying "Due to budget constraints we are understaffed. Please be patient." Back at the card file I saw a couple looking in a drawer so I asked them if they knew what to do if you find a card of interest in the drawer. They didn't either, and were complaining that they had driven all the way from Indiana and were extremely discouraged and disgusted that they couldn't get any help either. Another woman heard us and voiced her complaints also. So I was not alone with my disappointment over the experience there yesterday. Sue Dotson ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 10:09 PM Subject: [WashingtonDC'' ] Coroner's Inquest Can anyone on the list tell me if you can obtain the results of a coroner's inquest held in 1937. My grandfather was struck by a trolley car and, according to a Washington Post article, there was to be a coroner's inquest held the following day. I could not find an article in the Post showing the results of the coroner's inquest. Also, has anyone on the list had any luck in obtaining requested documents from the DC Archives. I've read on the list in the past of people having difficulty with requests. I need to obtain some marriage records for the late 1800's and early 1900s and wonder if the DC Archives is responding to requests. I understand they have been short-staffed and underbudgeted although I had any requests I made a couple of years ago answered shortly after I submitted them. ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

I would think that you should get some response from your congressman. At least express your concerns. Sounds like the funding for the Maryland Archives has been cut to the bone. This has just happened over the last few years. I remember being able to get wills and documents through the mail. Seems as if we are going backward instead of forward. Jan in FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Dotson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 9:52 AM Subject: [WashingtonDC'' ] MD Archives > Speaking of being "short-staffed and underbudgeted," I went to the MD Archives in Annapolis yesterday. I am not local so it has been several years since I've been there, and have only been there twice before, so I am still unsure of myself. I figured out how to use the card file and found a file card on a marriage I have been looking for, but then did not know what to do with that information (i.e. does finding a card mean they have more information on this marriage?) I was never able to get any help whatsoever. There were only two employees behind the counter, and both had lines of people waiting the remaining 2 hours I was there. They even had a sign posted on the counter saying "Due to budget constraints we are understaffed. Please be patient." > > Back at the card file I saw a couple looking in a drawer so I asked them if they knew what to do if you find a card of interest in the drawer. They didn't either, and were complaining that they had driven all the way from Indiana and were extremely discouraged and disgusted that they couldn't get any help either. Another woman heard us and voiced her complaints also. So I was not alone with my disappointment over the experience there yesterday. > > Sue Dotson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 10:09 PM > Subject: [WashingtonDC'' ] Coroner's Inquest > > > Can anyone on the list tell me if you can obtain the results of a coroner's > inquest held in 1937. My grandfather was struck by a trolley car and, > according to a Washington Post article, there was to be a coroner's inquest held > the following day. I could not find an article in the Post showing the results > of the coroner's inquest. > > Also, has anyone on the list had any luck in obtaining requested documents > from the DC Archives. I've read on the list in the past of people having > difficulty with requests. I need to obtain some marriage records for the late > 1800's and early 1900s and wonder if the DC Archives is responding to requests. > I understand they have been short-staffed and underbudgeted although I had > any requests I made a couple of years ago answered shortly after I submitted > them. > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

If they would let them and put them on line that would be wonderful wouldn't it..And it would probably not cost as much since you could just get your copy thru the mail. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnson, Shelly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 9:39 AM Subject: RE: [WashingtonDC'' ] MD Archives > perhaps more people should volunteer to transcribe records that way we can > all not worry about having to go to the archives > > -----Original Message----- > From: Janice M. Parker [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:35 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] MD Archives > > > Yes Maam Sarah Lucetia Mossburg is my g-grandmother and Anne Elizabeth > Benson my gg-grandmother and Mary Ann Talbott daughter of Lewin my > ggg-grandmother. > > Jan in FL > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott, Brenda" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:33 AM > Subject: RE: [WashingtonDC'' ] MD Archives > > >> Ms Janice >> Are you related to the Benson, Talbotts, Mossburgs? >> >> Brenda J Scott >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Janice M. Parker [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:15 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] MD Archives >> >> I would think that you should get some response from your congressman. >> At >> least express your concerns. Sounds like the funding for the Maryland >> Archives has been cut to the bone. This has just happened over the last >> few >> years. I remember being able to get wills and documents through the >> mail. >> Seems as if we are going backward instead of forward. >> >> Jan in FL >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sue Dotson" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 9:52 AM >> Subject: [WashingtonDC'' ] MD Archives >> >> >> > Speaking of being "short-staffed and underbudgeted," I went to the MD >> Archives in Annapolis yesterday. I am not local so it has been several >> years since I've been there, and have only been there twice before, so I >> am >> still unsure of myself. I figured out how to use the card file and >> found a >> file card on a marriage I have been looking for, but then did not know >> what >> to do with that information (i.e. does finding a card mean they have >> more >> information on this marriage?) I was never able to get any help >> whatsoever. >> There were only two employees behind the counter, and both had lines of >> people waiting the remaining 2 hours I was there. They even had a sign >> posted on the counter saying "Due to budget constraints we are >> understaffed. >> Please be patient." >> > >> > Back at the card file I saw a couple looking in a drawer so I asked >> them >> if they knew what to do if you find a card of interest in the drawer. >> They >> didn't either, and were complaining that they had driven all the way >> from >> Indiana and were extremely discouraged and disgusted that they couldn't >> get >> any help either. Another woman heard us and voiced her complaints also. >> So >> I was not alone with my disappointment over the experience there >> yesterday. >> > >> > Sue Dotson >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: [email protected] >> > To: [email protected] >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 10:09 PM >> > Subject: [WashingtonDC'' ] Coroner's Inquest >> > >> > >> > Can anyone on the list tell me if you can obtain the results of a >> coroner's >> > inquest held in 1937. My grandfather was struck by a trolley car >> and, >> > according to a Washington Post article, there was to be a coroner's >> inquest held >> > the following day. I could not find an article in the Post showing >> the >> results >> > of the coroner's inquest. >> > >> > Also, has anyone on the list had any luck in obtaining requested >> documents >> > from the DC Archives. I've read on the list in the past of people >> having >> > difficulty with requests. I need to obtain some marriage records >> for >> the late >> > 1800's and early 1900s and wonder if the DC Archives is responding >> to >> requests. >> > I understand they have been short-staffed and underbudgeted >> although I >> had >> > any requests I made a couple of years ago answered shortly after I >> submitted >> > them. >> > >> > >> > ============================== >> > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> > >> >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > >

Speaking of being "short-staffed and underbudgeted," I went to the MD Archives in Annapolis yesterday. I am not local so it has been several years since I've been there, and have only been there twice before, so I am still unsure of myself. I figured out how to use the card file and found a file card on a marriage I have been looking for, but then did not know what to do with that information (i.e. does finding a card mean they have more information on this marriage?) I was never able to get any help whatsoever. There were only two employees behind the counter, and both had lines of people waiting the remaining 2 hours I was there. They even had a sign posted on the counter saying "Due to budget constraints we are understaffed. Please be patient." Back at the card file I saw a couple looking in a drawer so I asked them if they knew what to do if you find a card of interest in the drawer. They didn't either, and were complaining that they had driven all the way from Indiana and were extremely discouraged and disgusted that they couldn't get any help either. Another woman heard us and voiced her complaints also. So I was not alone with my disappointment over the experience there yesterday. Sue Dotson ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 10:09 PM Subject: [WashingtonDC'' ] Coroner's Inquest Can anyone on the list tell me if you can obtain the results of a coroner's inquest held in 1937. My grandfather was struck by a trolley car and, according to a Washington Post article, there was to be a coroner's inquest held the following day. I could not find an article in the Post showing the results of the coroner's inquest. Also, has anyone on the list had any luck in obtaining requested documents from the DC Archives. I've read on the list in the past of people having difficulty with requests. I need to obtain some marriage records for the late 1800's and early 1900s and wonder if the DC Archives is responding to requests. I understand they have been short-staffed and underbudgeted although I had any requests I made a couple of years ago answered shortly after I submitted them.

The governor is cutting everything to the bone because of the tax incentivies he is giving to business to stay in Md. Maryland has the online death index project they started. The remaining years from 1945 to 1972 were supposed to be put on line in May of 2004. They are still not posted. They have volunteers that are doing the work but with again only a few people who volunteered the work is going slow. I wish they could soon finish it. Because when you find a death you click on print out the request, mail it and in about two weeks you get the death certificate. Maryland said they had so many requests for death certificates, and that putting them on line and handling requests this way generated the funds but saved lookup time and personnel...I think it is a good idea if it is ever finished. I wish most states would do it that way. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Dotson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 8:52 AM Subject: [WashingtonDC'' ] MD Archives > Speaking of being "short-staffed and underbudgeted," I went to the MD > Archives in Annapolis yesterday. I am not local so it has been several > years since I've been there, and have only been there twice before, so I > am still unsure of myself. I figured out how to use the card file and > found a file card on a marriage I have been looking for, but then did not > know what to do with that information (i.e. does finding a card mean they > have more information on this marriage?) I was never able to get any help > whatsoever. There were only two employees behind the counter, and both > had lines of people waiting the remaining 2 hours I was there. They even > had a sign posted on the counter saying "Due to budget constraints we are > understaffed. Please be patient." > > Back at the card file I saw a couple looking in a drawer so I asked them > if they knew what to do if you find a card of interest in the drawer. > They didn't either, and were complaining that they had driven all the way > from Indiana and were extremely discouraged and disgusted that they > couldn't get any help either. Another woman heard us and voiced her > complaints also. So I was not alone with my disappointment over the > experience there yesterday. > > Sue Dotson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 10:09 PM > Subject: [WashingtonDC'' ] Coroner's Inquest > > > Can anyone on the list tell me if you can obtain the results of a > coroner's > inquest held in 1937. My grandfather was struck by a trolley car and, > according to a Washington Post article, there was to be a coroner's > inquest held > the following day. I could not find an article in the Post showing the > results > of the coroner's inquest. > > Also, has anyone on the list had any luck in obtaining requested > documents > from the DC Archives. I've read on the list in the past of people having > difficulty with requests. I need to obtain some marriage records for > the late > 1800's and early 1900s and wonder if the DC Archives is responding to > requests. > I understand they have been short-staffed and underbudgeted although I > had > any requests I made a couple of years ago answered shortly after I > submitted > them. > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > >

Can anyone on the list tell me if you can obtain the results of a coroner's inquest held in 1937. My grandfather was struck by a trolley car and, according to a Washington Post article, there was to be a coroner's inquest held the following day. I could not find an article in the Post showing the results of the coroner's inquest. Also, has anyone on the list had any luck in obtaining requested documents from the DC Archives. I've read on the list in the past of people having difficulty with requests. I need to obtain some marriage records for the late 1800's and early 1900s and wonder if the DC Archives is responding to requests. I understand they have been short-staffed and underbudgeted although I had any requests I made a couple of years ago answered shortly after I submitted them.

Seems that DC personnel have a real attitude about letting you have any information - including such things as your own birth certificate. And they charge you handsomely for it too. Once paid 26.00 for my own birth certificate. For birth and death records Vital Records 825 North Captol Street Washington DC 20002 http://www.ci.washington.dc.us for forms D.C. Archives 1300 Naylor Ct., NW Washington DC 20001 Hope you can get some help from these. ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com

I'd appreciate that. My specific interest is John Franklin JOY, identified as an embalmer/GAWLERS, in 1920 census. However this is between the time that I have his father James Edward JOY signing a Death certificate in 1908 as J. E. JOY & SON, and 1930 census where John Franklin JOY is identified as Funeral Director. From other information, its my inference that John Franklin "took over the family business" (James Edward was retired in 1930). While its certainly possible that father & son split and reunited, it would seem that Gawlers and the Joys might also be connected somehow. Other than the death certificate I've never found an ad or listing of their business. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott, Brenda" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 6:38 AM Subject: RE: [WashingtonDC'' ] Undertaker's Records | That's good to hear because the Pumpreys are on my mom's side. | When I go to the Montgomery county historical society's library, there | may be a book on Gawler's I'll check it out for you. | | Brenda J Scott | |

That's good to hear because the Pumpreys are on my mom's side. When I go to the Montgomery county historical society's library, there may be a book on Gawler's I'll check it out for you. Brenda J Scott -----Original Message----- From: barbara & dave [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 2:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] Undertaker's Records I know - unfortunately, for me they don't answer mail re: genealogy; unlike Pumphrey's who have always been very helpful via snail-mail and e-mail. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott, Brenda" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 7:04 AM Subject: RE: [WashingtonDC'' ] Undertaker's Records | Just some FYI from a local DC, Maryland gal. Jos Gawlers was and still | is a very esteemed and prestigious funeral home that has held the | remains of many prominent people, including President John Kennedy. I | grew up with a nephew. | | Brenda J Scott | -----Original Message----- | From: barbara & dave [mailto:[email protected]] | Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 10:10 PM | To: [email protected] | Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] Undertaker's Records | | Thank you. | | My James Edward JOY is in Hughesville, Charles Co., MD in 1900 | occupation=wheelwright. | One of his daughter's obits (Patty (Joy) Nutwell) described him as | moving to | the D.C. area about 1900. I have 'J.E. JOY & SON' signing a death | certificate as undertaker (of his step-grandson) and his location is | Berwyn, | MD (Prince Georges Co.). The 1920 Census has him in D.C., | undertaker/own | business. Family stories are that he's connected to Joy Chapel, | Hollywood, | St. Mary's Co., MD but I haven't made the link. | | He was born abt. Dec. 1862 in Maryland and died April 24, 1938 in D.C. | John | Franklin JOY (his son) is, in 1910, a boarder in DC and an | embalmer/undertaker shop. 1920 he's widowed, living with his | mother-in-law, | sister-in-law, and adopted daughter, and is embalmer/Gawler's. 1930 he's | | remarried and Funeral Dir. | | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: <[email protected]> | To: <[email protected]> | Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 5:45 PM | Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] Undertaker's Records | | ||I will keep a look out. I have a G.G.Grandfather Joseph Joy who had a | son | James Joy and a brother William Joy all lived in Wash. DC in the | 1830-1900. | My Joy line comes from Saint Mary's Co MD. || Anthony || || -------------- Original message -------------- || || > You might check to determine if they're still in business - I'm | pretty | sure || > that Grawles is. || > In my own quest, it was suggested to try MLK Library (which I | haven't | yet || > done). || > || > In my case, I'm actually interested in the undertaker vs. a client. | If | you || > should run across anything concerning J. E. JOY & SON, James Edward | JOY, | or || > John Franklin JOY (the son) I'd be interested. James Edward was my | wife's || > Ggrandfather. || > || > Thanks || > Dave || > || > ----- Original Message ----- || > From: || > To: || > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 10:15 PM || > Subject: [WashingtonDC'' ] Undertaker's Records || > || > || > | Could anyone tell me were the records for the following | Undertakers | can be || > researched. || > | T.A.Ceostillo, J.T.Clements, Joseph Grawles, Timothy Hanlon, | J.William || > Lee. I am interested in the years 1880 threw 1920. || > | Thanks very || > much Anthony Long || > | || > | || > | ============================== || > | Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. || > | Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: || > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx || > | || > || > || > ============================== || > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. || > New content added every business day. Learn more: || > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx || > || || || ============================== || Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for || ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: || http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx || | | | ============================== | Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the | areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. | Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx | | | | ============================== | Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. | New content added every business day. Learn more: | http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx | ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

I know - unfortunately, for me they don't answer mail re: genealogy; unlike Pumphrey's who have always been very helpful via snail-mail and e-mail. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott, Brenda" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 7:04 AM Subject: RE: [WashingtonDC'' ] Undertaker's Records | Just some FYI from a local DC, Maryland gal. Jos Gawlers was and still | is a very esteemed and prestigious funeral home that has held the | remains of many prominent people, including President John Kennedy. I | grew up with a nephew. | | Brenda J Scott | -----Original Message----- | From: barbara & dave [mailto:[email protected]] | Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 10:10 PM | To: [email protected] | Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] Undertaker's Records | | Thank you. | | My James Edward JOY is in Hughesville, Charles Co., MD in 1900 | occupation=wheelwright. | One of his daughter's obits (Patty (Joy) Nutwell) described him as | moving to | the D.C. area about 1900. I have 'J.E. JOY & SON' signing a death | certificate as undertaker (of his step-grandson) and his location is | Berwyn, | MD (Prince Georges Co.). The 1920 Census has him in D.C., | undertaker/own | business. Family stories are that he's connected to Joy Chapel, | Hollywood, | St. Mary's Co., MD but I haven't made the link. | | He was born abt. Dec. 1862 in Maryland and died April 24, 1938 in D.C. | John | Franklin JOY (his son) is, in 1910, a boarder in DC and an | embalmer/undertaker shop. 1920 he's widowed, living with his | mother-in-law, | sister-in-law, and adopted daughter, and is embalmer/Gawler's. 1930 he's | | remarried and Funeral Dir. | | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: <[email protected]> | To: <[email protected]> | Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 5:45 PM | Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] Undertaker's Records | | ||I will keep a look out. I have a G.G.Grandfather Joseph Joy who had a | son | James Joy and a brother William Joy all lived in Wash. DC in the | 1830-1900. | My Joy line comes from Saint Mary's Co MD. || Anthony || || -------------- Original message -------------- || || > You might check to determine if they're still in business - I'm | pretty | sure || > that Grawles is. || > In my own quest, it was suggested to try MLK Library (which I | haven't | yet || > done). || > || > In my case, I'm actually interested in the undertaker vs. a client. | If | you || > should run across anything concerning J. E. JOY & SON, James Edward | JOY, | or || > John Franklin JOY (the son) I'd be interested. James Edward was my | wife's || > Ggrandfather. || > || > Thanks || > Dave || > || > ----- Original Message ----- || > From: || > To: || > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 10:15 PM || > Subject: [WashingtonDC'' ] Undertaker's Records || > || > || > | Could anyone tell me were the records for the following | Undertakers | can be || > researched. || > | T.A.Ceostillo, J.T.Clements, Joseph Grawles, Timothy Hanlon, | J.William || > Lee. I am interested in the years 1880 threw 1920. || > | Thanks very || > much Anthony Long || > | || > | || > | ============================== || > | Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. || > | Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: || > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx || > | || > || > || > ============================== || > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. || > New content added every business day. Learn more: || > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx || > || || || ============================== || Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for || ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: || http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx || | | | ============================== | Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the | areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. | Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx | | | | ============================== | Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. | New content added every business day. Learn more: | http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx |