If anyone has access to Ancestry.com census images, I would appreciate some help decifering the handwriting of an occupation. The census image is: 1860 United States Federal Census > Maryland > Anne Arundel > District 8, Line 32. Image 11 of 59 The person is Elizabeth Reintzelle, and I need help with her occupation. It has both me and my husband baffled. Thanks for any help, Sue Dotson [email protected]

Sue, You can use Heritage Quest to look this up. Because 1840 is not indexed on Heritage Quest, it is not in one of the search options. You can use the "Find by Page Number" tab and select 1840-M704. Input 35 for roll and 176 for page. You can also go to "Browse" mode in upper left and step through pages of non-indexed census data. The find by page number took me right to the page. It looks like "Ransel" vice "Kansel" to me. It is just that the upper portion of the R was not visible. It was the same way with some other "R" and "B" entries on that page. Chuck

As the other person said who replied it is governess. Some people who wrote a word with a double s sometimes spelled it fs and Heritage Quest has her name indexed as Feintyeller in case you want to look it up thru Heritage. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Dotson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 6:53 PM Subject: [WashingtonDC'' ] Old Handwriting Dilemma > > If anyone has access to Ancestry.com census images, I would appreciate > some help decifering the handwriting of an occupation. The census image > is: > > 1860 United States Federal Census > Maryland > Anne Arundel > District 8, > Line 32. Image 11 of 59 > > The person is Elizabeth Reintzelle, and I need help with her occupation. > It has both me and my husband baffled. > > Thanks for any help, > Sue Dotson > [email protected] > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > >

Hi Kathleen, At the top of the pages just prior to and after the image I am looking for, it says "Geo. Town, 2 Ward," but that's as specific as it gets. In the 1850 census he is listed in the "Georgetown North West Ward." In the 1853 Washington and Georgetown Phone Directory his residence is listed as "angle of Market and High, Georgetown." In the 1858 Boyd's City Directory his residence is listed as "Market near High, Georgetown." I can only assume he would have been in the same place in 1840, and all of this is assuming this "Samuel Kansel" is the same person. I'm pretty sure it is, as this was the closest spelling I found at all. Is that enough to go on? Sue Dotson [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathleen Bowen To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] 1840 census The 1840 census isn't indexed at Genealogy.com. Three "counties" are available: Alexandria, Roll 35 Book 1 Georgetown, Roll 35 Book 1 Washington, Roll 35 Book 1 Each of the above have 2-3 further divisions...do you have a very specific location? Kathleen Gambrills, Maryland [email protected] or [email protected] FTM pages: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/b/o/w/Kathleen-E-Bowen Folk Alley.com - All Music. All The Time: http://www.folkalley.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Dotson To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 11:40 AM Subject: [WashingtonDC'' ] 1840 census I was searching through the 1840 census on Ancestry.com for my ancestor Samuel Reintzel. That spelling is nowhere to be found, but I did find a Samuel Kansel that I believe could possibly be the right one. However, the link takes me to the wrong page, and when I hand advanced to reach the page it was supposed to be, I discovered the page I am looking for is missing. (I reported the error to Ancestry.com.) I also have access to Heritage Quest through my libarary, but they do not have census images for 1840. Does anyone have Genealogy.com or any other access to census records who would be able to do a lookup for me? This is the census data I am looking for: Name: Samuel Kansel Township: Georgetown County: Washington State: District of Columbia Roll: 35 Page: 176 I would appreciate any help anyone can offer. Sue Dotson [email protected] ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

The 1840 census isn't indexed at Genealogy.com. Three "counties" are available: Alexandria, Roll 35 Book 1 Georgetown, Roll 35 Book 1 Washington, Roll 35 Book 1 Each of the above have 2-3 further divisions...do you have a very specific location? Kathleen Gambrills, Maryland [email protected] or [email protected] FTM pages: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/b/o/w/Kathleen-E-Bowen Folk Alley.com - All Music. All The Time: http://www.folkalley.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Dotson To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 11:40 AM Subject: [WashingtonDC'' ] 1840 census I was searching through the 1840 census on Ancestry.com for my ancestor Samuel Reintzel. That spelling is nowhere to be found, but I did find a Samuel Kansel that I believe could possibly be the right one. However, the link takes me to the wrong page, and when I hand advanced to reach the page it was supposed to be, I discovered the page I am looking for is missing. (I reported the error to Ancestry.com.) I also have access to Heritage Quest through my libarary, but they do not have census images for 1840. Does anyone have Genealogy.com or any other access to census records who would be able to do a lookup for me? This is the census data I am looking for: Name: Samuel Kansel Township: Georgetown County: Washington State: District of Columbia Roll: 35 Page: 176 I would appreciate any help anyone can offer. Sue Dotson [email protected] ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

I was searching through the 1840 census on Ancestry.com for my ancestor Samuel Reintzel. That spelling is nowhere to be found, but I did find a Samuel Kansel that I believe could possibly be the right one. However, the link takes me to the wrong page, and when I hand advanced to reach the page it was supposed to be, I discovered the page I am looking for is missing. (I reported the error to Ancestry.com.) I also have access to Heritage Quest through my libarary, but they do not have census images for 1840. Does anyone have Genealogy.com or any other access to census records who would be able to do a lookup for me? This is the census data I am looking for: Name: Samuel Kansel Township: Georgetown County: Washington State: District of Columbia Roll: 35 Page: 176 I would appreciate any help anyone can offer. Sue Dotson [email protected]

oops - same goes for 1840. Sorry. ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com

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Can you tell us the website for this St. Louis, Mo Library as I just found family in Baltimore and Wash DC who came from St. Louis. Thanks. Diane Jacobs Somerset, NJ -----Original Message----- From: Emaress Nova [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] St. Louis Cath Cem web site Another note abut St Louis - they have an excellent library online that has lots of things you would not expect. I found my mother's birth record when no one else had it - and they sent me a copy for 2.50! ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

I have an ancestor who was b. 1784 in DC (Georgetown). Would there be any school records from that time period, and if so where? Sue Dotson [email protected]

Kathy and Sue - Thank you very much! Jan Scott In a message dated 6/24/2005 11:07:11 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I believe this is it http://www.slpl.lib.mo.us/ But it appears that you need their library card to access the data, and that you have to live locally in order to obtain a library card. Sue Dotson ----- Original Message ----- From: Emaress Nova To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 2:34 AM Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] St. Louis Cath Cem web site No, but if you do search thru Google you will find it easily. I do have a snail mail address for them though and a contact name. Kathy Smith Saint Louis Public Library 1301 Olive Street St. Louis, MO 63103 Hope this is useful.

And don't forget that the Anne Arundel Gen Soc., whose holdings are located at the Kuethe Library in Glen Burnie, allows non-members to research there for $2/day (free for members). Although the focus is A. A. Co., they have lots of stuff for other MD counties and even for surrounding states. Here is their web site: http://www.aagensoc.org/ A call to them with your research ideas may result in a quick review to see if they can assist you~ Kathleen Bowen Gambrills, Maryland [email protected] or [email protected] FTM pages: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/b/o/w/Kathleen-E-Bowen Folk Alley.com - All Music. All The Time: http://www.folkalley.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Dotson To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] MD Archives Chuck, Thanks very much for your suggestions. Checking their web page first is a good idea, though I think that will probably only help if what you are after is on microfilm. Several years ago I went to some public libraries in the Annapolis area and was amazed by the lack of genealogy references. It's really good to know about the Law Library! Thanks for sharing. Btw, someone said they are open Tu & Thur evenings....but do you know their regular hours, including weekends? Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] MD Archives To be fair, the budget cuts started before the current administration. It hit the archives hard in the summer of 2002... Being a regular week- end visitor at that time, I remember that time frame quite well... It forced them to close on Mondays and Tuesdays... The microfilm readers began remaining broken for long periods of time... Before you make a trip to the archives in Annapolis, thoroughly check out their web site to plan ahead at what you want to search for and write down the microfilm numbers that may have the information ... All their microfilm resources are listed on the web pages (http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us)... Also, they usually have more volunteer help available on Saturdays... Also, if going there, it is very worthwhile to go directly across the street to the Law library... They have a large collection of Maryland genealogy books divided by county, as well as a vast collection of other genealogy-related books... They also have the Baltimore Sun on microfilm... It is well worth your time... Chuck ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Chuck, Thanks very much for your suggestions. Checking their web page first is a good idea, though I think that will probably only help if what you are after is on microfilm. Several years ago I went to some public libraries in the Annapolis area and was amazed by the lack of genealogy references. It's really good to know about the Law Library! Thanks for sharing. Btw, someone said they are open Tu & Thur evenings....but do you know their regular hours, including weekends? Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] MD Archives To be fair, the budget cuts started before the current administration. It hit the archives hard in the summer of 2002... Being a regular week- end visitor at that time, I remember that time frame quite well... It forced them to close on Mondays and Tuesdays... The microfilm readers began remaining broken for long periods of time... Before you make a trip to the archives in Annapolis, thoroughly check out their web site to plan ahead at what you want to search for and write down the microfilm numbers that may have the information ... All their microfilm resources are listed on the web pages (http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us)... Also, they usually have more volunteer help available on Saturdays... Also, if going there, it is very worthwhile to go directly across the street to the Law library... They have a large collection of Maryland genealogy books divided by county, as well as a vast collection of other genealogy-related books... They also have the Baltimore Sun on microfilm... It is well worth your time... Chuck

I was using GOOGLE to search for the surname "ALLEIN" in Anne Arundel Co. and came across this great link at the Gunston Hall web site with a good many wills, accounts and inventories from VA & MD counties (be sure to click "All" for Maryland and Virginia to get a complete list in alpha order by surname). Some of these folks had DC connections or branches migrated there: http://www.gunstonhall.org/probate/WiBegin.htm And, even if there is no surname or location of interest as a DC researcher, click on and read the info on classes and glossary - very interesting and educational~ Kathleen Bowen Gambrills, Maryland [email protected] or [email protected] FTM pages: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/b/o/w/Kathleen-E-Bowen Folk Alley.com - All Music. All The Time: http://www.folkalley.com

I believe this is it http://www.slpl.lib.mo.us/ But it appears that you need their library card to access the data, and that you have to live locally in order to obtain a library card. Sue Dotson ----- Original Message ----- From: Emaress Nova To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 2:34 AM Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] St. Louis Cath Cem web site No, but if you do search thru Google you will find it easily. I do have a snail mail address for them though and a contact name. Kathy Smith Saint Louis Public Library 1301 Olive Street St. Louis, MO 63103 Hope this is useful. ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi Harry The Law Library is open on tue and thursday nights till 9:00 with not many people there. Anthony Long -------------- Original message -------------- > Chuck, > > Thank you for the information on the Law Library. I never knew that existed! > And I've been wanting to go someplace where they have the Baltimore Sun! Wow! > > Harry > > At 05:18 PM 6/23/2005 EDT, you wrote: > > To be fair, the budget cuts started before the current administration. > >It hit the archives hard in the summer of 2002... Being a regular week- > >end visitor at that time, I remember that time frame quite well... It forced > >them to close on Mondays and Tuesdays... The microfilm readers > >began remaining broken for long periods of time... > > > > Before you make a trip to the archives in Annapolis, thoroughly check > >out their web site to plan ahead at what you want to search for and write > >down the microfilm numbers that may have the information ... All their > >microfilm resources are listed on the web pages > >(http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us)... > > > > Also, they usually have more volunteer help available on Saturdays... > > > > Also, if going there, it is very worthwhile to go directly across the > >street to the Law library... They have a large collection of Maryland > >genealogy books divided by county, as well as a vast collection of > >other genealogy-related books... They also have the Baltimore Sun > >on microfilm... It is well worth your time... > > > >Chuck > > > > > >============================== > >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Thanks to all for mentioning this. When I lived in Florida (and worked at a county courthouse, in the Appraiser's office), I used the law library there frequently to look up legal stuff relating to my business classes at a local college; I never even considered genealogical use. Kathleen Bowen Gambrills, Maryland [email protected] or [email protected] FTM pages: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/b/o/w/Kathleen-E-Bowen Folk Alley.com - All Music. All The Time: http://www.folkalley.com ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 6:27 AM Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] MD Archives Hi Harry The Law Library is open on tue and thursday nights till 9:00 with not many people there. Anthony Long -------------- Original message -------------- > Chuck, > > Thank you for the information on the Law Library. I never knew that existed! > And I've been wanting to go someplace where they have the Baltimore Sun! Wow! > > Harry > > At 05:18 PM 6/23/2005 EDT, you wrote: > > To be fair, the budget cuts started before the current administration. > >It hit the archives hard in the summer of 2002... Being a regular week- > >end visitor at that time, I remember that time frame quite well... It forced > >them to close on Mondays and Tuesdays... The microfilm readers > >began remaining broken for long periods of time... > > > > Before you make a trip to the archives in Annapolis, thoroughly check > >out their web site to plan ahead at what you want to search for and write > >down the microfilm numbers that may have the information ... All their > >microfilm resources are listed on the web pages > >(http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us)... > > > > Also, they usually have more volunteer help available on Saturdays... > > > > Also, if going there, it is very worthwhile to go directly across the > >street to the Law library... They have a large collection of Maryland > >genealogy books divided by county, as well as a vast collection of > >other genealogy-related books... They also have the Baltimore Sun > >on microfilm... It is well worth your time... > > > >Chuck > > > > > >============================== > >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

I forwarded your message to Loudoun county, list. I have Horseman in my tree, I'll touch base with you later on this. Brenda J Scott -----Original Message----- From: Susan Wheary [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 9:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [WashingtonDC'' ] HORSEMAN, MILLS, abt. 1860 My 3g-grandfather, George HORSEMAN and his wife, Jane, moved into DC from Fairfax County, Virginia between 1850 and 1860, along with their children, George H. HORSEMAN (b. ~ 1846) and Frances Ann HORSEMAN (b. ~ 1848). He was supposed to be about 60 years old on the 1860 census (1850 shows him to be only 40, but I have reason to believe this is incorrect). Although he had been a farmer in Virginia, he is listed as a "huckster" in DC. This seems to have been a fruit and vegetable peddler. Along with his family in 1860 is listed Julia A. MILLS, age 40. Going back to 1850, in Fairfax County, Virginia, I find Julia A. MILLS, age 30, living with her husband Bushrod (?!) MILLS, age 35, in the household of John H. and Sarah A. HORSEMAN (ages 77 and 70). They have a son, Albert MILLS, born about 1840 or 1841. Son Albert went on to become a DC Policeman and is listed on the 1880 census with his wife, son, 5 daughters, and his mother, Julia Ann MILLS. I am wondering if Julia is the daughter of John & Sarah HORSEMAN, and possibly the sister of George HORSEMAN. The plot thickens, though. In 1850, the George HORSEMAN household included the 25-year-old Eliza MILLS. This leads me to wonder if George's wife, Jane, might have originally been a MILLS. It was not unusual for several children in two families to marry back in those days. Is anyone working on this family? I'd love to hear from you! Susan Wheary In the Show-Me State (Missouri) ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

My 3g-grandfather, George HORSEMAN and his wife, Jane, moved into DC from Fairfax County, Virginia between 1850 and 1860, along with their children, George H. HORSEMAN (b. ~ 1846) and Frances Ann HORSEMAN (b. ~ 1848). He was supposed to be about 60 years old on the 1860 census (1850 shows him to be only 40, but I have reason to believe this is incorrect). Although he had been a farmer in Virginia, he is listed as a "huckster" in DC. This seems to have been a fruit and vegetable peddler. Along with his family in 1860 is listed Julia A. MILLS, age 40. Going back to 1850, in Fairfax County, Virginia, I find Julia A. MILLS, age 30, living with her husband Bushrod (?!) MILLS, age 35, in the household of John H. and Sarah A. HORSEMAN (ages 77 and 70). They have a son, Albert MILLS, born about 1840 or 1841. Son Albert went on to become a DC Policeman and is listed on the 1880 census with his wife, son, 5 daughters, and his mother, Julia Ann MILLS. I am wondering if Julia is the daughter of John & Sarah HORSEMAN, and possibly the sister of George HORSEMAN. The plot thickens, though. In 1850, the George HORSEMAN household included the 25-year-old Eliza MILLS. This leads me to wonder if George's wife, Jane, might have originally been a MILLS. It was not unusual for several children in two families to marry back in those days. Is anyone working on this family? I'd love to hear from you! Susan Wheary In the Show-Me State (Missouri)

Betty: That is a terrific site and up to date to the very minutes! Should serve as a model for others. Thanks for providing this link. Gary 23 June 2005 Baltimore http://home.att.net/~g.ruppert Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:59:06 -0500 From: "Betty Torno" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] MD Archives Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, putting all sorts of records online is a tremendous help. If any of you need Catholic Cemetery records for St. Louis, MO, the Archdiocese has put them online. You can search for burials in an individual cemetery or all of the Catholic Cemeteries in the area at once. Whenever I get a chance, I e-mail other Archdiocesan websites and suggest that they do the same. It then allows the counselors to do the rest of their job better. Check www.stlcathcem.com if you need that information for anyone in your family. Cordially, Betty Torno St. Louis, MO