I meant since the District first began. Sorry to be ambiguous! -----Original Message----- From: Sue Dotson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 5:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] Donovan,Mary C. Susan, DC was formed from parts of VA and MD. In the late 1700s, Georgetown was considered "Georgetown Hundred" and was in Montgomery Co., MD. Sue Dotson [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Wheary To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 5:30 PM Subject: RE: [WashingtonDC'' ] Donovan,Mary C. As far as I know, Georgetown was always in the District of Columbia since its inception, but was not considered a part of "Washington City." My g-g-uncle was in the DC census in Georgetown in 1850. Susan -----Original Message----- From: Joe Slavin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 8:44 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] Donovan,Mary C. You say birth certificates begain in DC in 1874 ?? My mother's mother Margaret Agnes Murphy (according to her death certificate filed in baltimore, MD) was born on March 17, 1876 in Georgetown, DC... As a child I was told also that she was born in Georgetown.. When I got help from the DC archives (teh gentleman so many List members recommend we contact there to get real help and he was very helpful)..on trying to find a certificate for her bitth they were unable to find any such record .. No such person born that entire year and a year or so afterward. too. I have never been able to find a Murphy family there at that time period that exactly matches the first names of her and her two sisters I knw of.. and the possible first names for the father as given to me long ago by my now dead Uncle. Same goes for the first name of her fatehr given in her death certificate. The mother's name in that death certificate is so smeared we have no idea what it is.. The closes thing I can find to meeting the requirements is a family headed by a John Murphy living in 'Mechanicsville, Maryland' in the 1880 Census with 4 year old daughter Margaret A. born in DC and some siblings that could be her sisters... Turns out that Olney in Montgomery Co., MD was once known as Mechanicsville so I believe that is where thsi family was in the 1880 census. Her death certificate stated her father was one Thomas Murphy, while my Uncle had suggested he might be named either henry or William, and that he was a blacksmith in Georgetown.. I'm not sure which relative supplied the info for the death certificate as all her children have been dead now for many years.. The questions I now ask are these: 1. were birth certificates REQUIRED for every child born in DC as early as my grandmother's 1876 birth..?? Or were they just optional ?? or the birth might not be recorded on such if the child was born at home rather than in a Hospital back then ?? 2. When did Birth Certificates begin in Montgomery Co., Maryland ??? 3. back then in march of 1876 was Georgetown a part of DC ???Or was it instead part of Maryland ??? and if part of Maryland, then what Maryland County was it part of ??? Hoping someone might be willing and able to tell me the answers to the above..... Thanks.. 8-) Joe [email protected] ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

How are the Murphy's and Donovan's related? J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Dotson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] Donovan,Mary C. > >1. were birth certificates REQUIRED for every child born in DC as early > >as my grandmother's 1876 birth..?? Or were they just optional ?? or the > >birth might not be recorded on such if the child was born at home rather > >than in a Hospital back then ?? >>2. When did Birth Certificates begin in Montgomery Co., Maryland ??? >> 3. back then in march of 1876 was Georgetown a part of DC ???Or was it >> instead part of Maryland ??? and if part of Maryland, then what Maryland >> County was it part of ??? > > Joe, > > I believe Georgetown became a part of DC in 1871. But like you said, if > the child was born at home, the birth may not have been recorded. > > As for the recording of births in Md, this page is helpful: > http://www.vitalrec.com/md.html > There you will see that the births were recorded in Baltimore City since > 1875, but the rest of Md only has records since 1898. Prior to that time, > I think your only chance of finding any recording of a birth is either in > a Family Bible or church records. > > I will say your story makes me think there is a possibility that the > mother of Margaret Agnes either had her out of wedlock or as the result of > an affair. As food for thought, there is a Maggie Murphy in DC in the > 1880 census, District 79 Family 420/499. She is age 3, living with HOH > Jane Murphy, age 35. Living next-door (family 421/500, HOH Bernard > Buchanan) is a boarder Henry Murphy, age 25. > > Sue Dotson > [email protected] > > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

I see those postings also. Don't know how they got in the Donovan queries. J ----- Original Message ----- From: "ccraven" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] Donovan,Mary C. > Juanita, I'm confused I have gotten 3 other email replying to Donovan, > Mary C. from other researchers are they also talking about my Great Great > Grandmother? I appreciate all the help. But have never heard "Murphy". and > since Donovan was born in 1860 D.C. was wondering were that fit in, really > all I'm very thankful for the help. Cecile > > > > cecile/sis > > > > > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Glad to have been able to help. The name was misspelled in the book. That doesn't mean it's wrong in the records. The book is a transcription and that is how the spelling was interpreted by Mr. Pippenger,(who has done so much for all us with his transcriptions.) I have a copy of the naturalization record of a gggg grandfather. His last name was Attridge and on the photocopy I have it is an A at the beginning to me, however in 3 different immigration records available through Ancestry- one that I had a printed page from a book in DC, all have him as Ottridge. Even on the Olive Tree site where you can view them he is under the O's. That's a handwritten list not the actual copies of naturalizations. I've found some of his daughter's under Otridge and a few other versions:-). margy http://naturalizationrecords.com/usa/dc_onlinedb.shtml ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] Marriage Records Request > Margy, > Thank you so very much for the information. This solidifies my suspicion > that William was married to Elizabeth L. Sisson. In her Will she > identified her > mother as Martha A. Sisson. Do I understand correctly by saying that > William's last name is misspelled in the records? I have spent a great > deal of time > down here in FL trying to uncover the identity of the second wife, and you > just > made my day. > Thank you. > John Risdon > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Margy, Thank you so very much for the information. This solidifies my suspicion that William was married to Elizabeth L. Sisson. In her Will she identified her mother as Martha A. Sisson. Do I understand correctly by saying that William's last name is misspelled in the records? I have spent a great deal of time down here in FL trying to uncover the identity of the second wife, and you just made my day. Thank you. John Risdon

Susan, DC was formed from parts of VA and MD. In the late 1700s, Georgetown was considered "Georgetown Hundred" and was in Montgomery Co., MD. Sue Dotson [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Wheary To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 5:30 PM Subject: RE: [WashingtonDC'' ] Donovan,Mary C. As far as I know, Georgetown was always in the District of Columbia since its inception, but was not considered a part of "Washington City." My g-g-uncle was in the DC census in Georgetown in 1850. Susan -----Original Message----- From: Joe Slavin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 8:44 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] Donovan,Mary C. You say birth certificates begain in DC in 1874 ?? My mother's mother Margaret Agnes Murphy (according to her death certificate filed in baltimore, MD) was born on March 17, 1876 in Georgetown, DC... As a child I was told also that she was born in Georgetown.. When I got help from the DC archives (teh gentleman so many List members recommend we contact there to get real help and he was very helpful)..on trying to find a certificate for her bitth they were unable to find any such record .. No such person born that entire year and a year or so afterward. too. I have never been able to find a Murphy family there at that time period that exactly matches the first names of her and her two sisters I knw of.. and the possible first names for the father as given to me long ago by my now dead Uncle. Same goes for the first name of her fatehr given in her death certificate. The mother's name in that death certificate is so smeared we have no idea what it is.. The closes thing I can find to meeting the requirements is a family headed by a John Murphy living in 'Mechanicsville, Maryland' in the 1880 Census with 4 year old daughter Margaret A. born in DC and some siblings that could be her sisters... Turns out that Olney in Montgomery Co., MD was once known as Mechanicsville so I believe that is where thsi family was in the 1880 census. Her death certificate stated her father was one Thomas Murphy, while my Uncle had suggested he might be named either henry or William, and that he was a blacksmith in Georgetown.. I'm not sure which relative supplied the info for the death certificate as all her children have been dead now for many years.. The questions I now ask are these: 1. were birth certificates REQUIRED for every child born in DC as early as my grandmother's 1876 birth..?? Or were they just optional ?? or the birth might not be recorded on such if the child was born at home rather than in a Hospital back then ?? 2. When did Birth Certificates begin in Montgomery Co., Maryland ??? 3. back then in march of 1876 was Georgetown a part of DC ???Or was it instead part of Maryland ??? and if part of Maryland, then what Maryland County was it part of ??? Hoping someone might be willing and able to tell me the answers to the above..... Thanks.. 8-) Joe [email protected] ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

As far as I know, Georgetown was always in the District of Columbia since its inception, but was not considered a part of "Washington City." My g-g-uncle was in the DC census in Georgetown in 1850. Susan -----Original Message----- From: Joe Slavin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 8:44 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] Donovan,Mary C. You say birth certificates begain in DC in 1874 ?? My mother's mother Margaret Agnes Murphy (according to her death certificate filed in baltimore, MD) was born on March 17, 1876 in Georgetown, DC... As a child I was told also that she was born in Georgetown.. When I got help from the DC archives (teh gentleman so many List members recommend we contact there to get real help and he was very helpful)..on trying to find a certificate for her bitth they were unable to find any such record .. No such person born that entire year and a year or so afterward. too. I have never been able to find a Murphy family there at that time period that exactly matches the first names of her and her two sisters I knw of.. and the possible first names for the father as given to me long ago by my now dead Uncle. Same goes for the first name of her fatehr given in her death certificate. The mother's name in that death certificate is so smeared we have no idea what it is.. The closes thing I can find to meeting the requirements is a family headed by a John Murphy living in 'Mechanicsville, Maryland' in the 1880 Census with 4 year old daughter Margaret A. born in DC and some siblings that could be her sisters... Turns out that Olney in Montgomery Co., MD was once known as Mechanicsville so I believe that is where thsi family was in the 1880 census. Her death certificate stated her father was one Thomas Murphy, while my Uncle had suggested he might be named either henry or William, and that he was a blacksmith in Georgetown.. I'm not sure which relative supplied the info for the death certificate as all her children have been dead now for many years.. The questions I now ask are these: 1. were birth certificates REQUIRED for every child born in DC as early as my grandmother's 1876 birth..?? Or were they just optional ?? or the birth might not be recorded on such if the child was born at home rather than in a Hospital back then ?? 2. When did Birth Certificates begin in Montgomery Co., Maryland ??? 3. back then in march of 1876 was Georgetown a part of DC ???Or was it instead part of Maryland ??? and if part of Maryland, then what Maryland County was it part of ??? Hoping someone might be willing and able to tell me the answers to the above..... Thanks.. 8-) Joe [email protected] ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

DC Marriages index 1885-1892 by: Pippenger Risdol, William J., Warrenton VA Sisson, Bettie Louise 14 APR 1887 L Bk: 23 Pg: 089 margy ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 2:22 PM Subject: [WashingtonDC'' ] Marriage Records Request >I am attempting to identify the second wife of WILLIAM JOSEPH RISDON. He >and > his first wife, MARY KIRBY, moved from Warrenton, VA to Washington, D.C. > between 1880 and 1885. MARY died in DC November 23,1885. WILLIAM died in > DC > March 29, 1898. His obit in the True Index (Warrenton, VA) notes that he > was > "twice married." however, the obit and his DC death certicate do not > identify the > second wife. WILLIAM died at his residence 1010 8th St. NW, DC. The 1890 > Census does not exist. In searching the 1900 DC Census I found an > Elizabeth L. > Risdon, a widow, age 41, but the Census was done at her place of > employment > rather than her residence. I have a copy of her unprobated Will signed by > her > 8/19/1905, but it makes no reference to her former spouse. > > Does anyone on this list have any records for DC marriages for the period > between November 23, 1885 and March 29, 1898? If so, would appreciate a > search > for the second marriage of WILLIAM JOSEPH RISDON. If not, can anyone do a > marriage record check for me at the Marriage Records Bureau (or whatever > they call > it)? If anyone on the list needs information on the Risdon, Boteler, or > Decker surnames please contact me. > Thanks very much, > John Risdon > Punta Gorda, FL > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Sue: I really don't know which faith/religion my grandmother's family was. If her father was Irish they could have been Catholic I suppose or maybe they were of the English.. Anglican... episopal faith ?? would depend on the part of Ireland they came from I guess.. Her husband's family were Protestant-Episcopal, his grandfatehr the rev. John L. hayghe being a Minister in that faith in harford Co., MD and in Washington, DC.. I found mention of a Thomas Murphy in Methodist records from one Georgetwon church.. transcribed to a book.. but that Thomas apparently was well to do and the records showd him moving to California.... so nothing there.. Anyway like I said I don't even know the religion much less the parish or church... Joe [email protected]

Hi again Sue (from the Wren/Wrenn family discussions 8-) There definitely was a name for the mother in the box for it on her death certificate.. but it was just so totally smeared as happens often on old docs like that that none of us could begin to figure it out... The story told by my long dead Uncle was he thought there was a son besides the daughters.. maybe more sons though he said he really didn't know. He said he thought maybe either thefather's name was William and the son's Henry, or maybe the opposite.. He was only really sure on the blacksmith occupation part.. though at the end he even hedged a bit there to say maybe it was the son who was the blacksmith..He ended it by saying it had been so very very long ago, he so very young then and so old now that he just couldn't be sure anymore... he died a year or two later back abt 1990 His twin brother had already died back in 1976, my Mom died in 1973 and the infant sister of them that I just discovered existed (discovered a year ago) died before the 1910 census. Margaret only had those 4 children and she herself died in 1954, her husband in 1949. Since my Mom died rather suddenly and unexpectedly to me.. I never managed to have that long talk about her ancestors I had intended to have 'some day'.... When they were married Margaret and her husband charles Eugene Johsnson Sr. settled in the little town of Relay in Baltimore Co., MD in a house just 2 away from the Relay Station on the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad main line. that station now is the 'St Denis stop on teh Mark commuter rail... St. denis was the name of the community on the other side of the railroad tracks.. Margaret Agnes Murphy had one sister named Mary Blanch 'May' Murphy who married William gerald Vernetson Sr. and sittled with him in a house in St. Denis built by one of his ancestors a few generations prior. Back before my grandmother's death i remember hearing my Mom talk about also having an 'Aunt Kay'.. that she had two Aunts who were sisters... 'May' and 'Kay' and that Kay married a 'kemp' who's first name I never learned.. Kay and husband I have never managed to track down... not sure if she was still living when I was still so young.. I suspect not as we never went to visit her as we did with May. (Mary blanh Murphy)... I managed to find in the 1900 Census a John Murphy and wife ..living in the same District in Baltimore co. as did William Vernetson's stepfatehr (with William in that household).. this John Murphy being close in age to the age of the John in Olny in 1880 and born in Ireland as that John was according to the 1880 Census. This John had a different wife though.. In the 1910 Census I found a Thomas Murphy living in that same Baltimore Co. District as the vernetson house... this Thomas of an age not much off the age of the son Thomas the John Murphy had in the 1880 Census... No proof these were the Olny family... but possible... According to Margaret gnes Murphy's death certificate her father was born in Ireland. I think it also said the mother was born in England but I'd have to recheck as its been a few years since Ilast looked at it.. Again the death certificate said the father was a 'Thomas Murphy'.... Where in DC was that District 79 in the 1880 Census that you say had those two housholds containing Murphys ??? Can you tell ?? It could be possible for the father to have died or seperated.. but if so then were were the other chidlren (Mary Blanch 'May' and Katherine/Catherine 'Kay' ?? I just wish there was still someone living to talk to which of course there is not. Mary Blanch's one grandaughter and one grandson know next to nothing.. far less than I do.... and we are permantly out of touch with the sons of my Mom's two Johnson brothers.. So every once in a while I try again to see if I can find anything on this part of my ancestors... I ahve other lines tracked back centrries inot parts of Europe and scandinavia.. but his has always been a dead end line.. Thnks for the link for MD records....8-) Joe [email protected]

I am attempting to identify the second wife of WILLIAM JOSEPH RISDON. He and his first wife, MARY KIRBY, moved from Warrenton, VA to Washington, D.C. between 1880 and 1885. MARY died in DC November 23,1885. WILLIAM died in DC March 29, 1898. His obit in the True Index (Warrenton, VA) notes that he was "twice married." however, the obit and his DC death certicate do not identify the second wife. WILLIAM died at his residence 1010 8th St. NW, DC. The 1890 Census does not exist. In searching the 1900 DC Census I found an Elizabeth L. Risdon, a widow, age 41, but the Census was done at her place of employment rather than her residence. I have a copy of her unprobated Will signed by her 8/19/1905, but it makes no reference to her former spouse. Does anyone on this list have any records for DC marriages for the period between November 23, 1885 and March 29, 1898? If so, would appreciate a search for the second marriage of WILLIAM JOSEPH RISDON. If not, can anyone do a marriage record check for me at the Marriage Records Bureau (or whatever they call it)? If anyone on the list needs information on the Risdon, Boteler, or Decker surnames please contact me. Thanks very much, John Risdon Punta Gorda, FL

>1. were birth certificates REQUIRED for every child born in DC as early as my grandmother's 1876 birth..?? Or were they just optional ?? or the birth might not be recorded on such if the child was born at home rather than in a Hospital back then ?? >2. When did Birth Certificates begin in Montgomery Co., Maryland ??? > 3. back then in march of 1876 was Georgetown a part of DC ???Or was it instead part of Maryland ??? and if part of Maryland, then what Maryland County was it part of ??? Joe, I believe Georgetown became a part of DC in 1871. But like you said, if the child was born at home, the birth may not have been recorded. As for the recording of births in Md, this page is helpful: http://www.vitalrec.com/md.html There you will see that the births were recorded in Baltimore City since 1875, but the rest of Md only has records since 1898. Prior to that time, I think your only chance of finding any recording of a birth is either in a Family Bible or church records. I will say your story makes me think there is a possibility that the mother of Margaret Agnes either had her out of wedlock or as the result of an affair. As food for thought, there is a Maggie Murphy in DC in the 1880 census, District 79 Family 420/499. She is age 3, living with HOH Jane Murphy, age 35. Living next-door (family 421/500, HOH Bernard Buchanan) is a boarder Henry Murphy, age 25. Sue Dotson [email protected]

I found a Johanna Donovan in the 18870 DC census with children, Daniel, 14; John, 4; Jerie, 5; MARY 3 (born 1867) and James, 1. Johanna Lynch married dennis Donovan in DC Feb,20 1855. In 1860 Census, Dennis is 22 and a servant at the Russian ministry (probably lived here except for time off) and in 1870, Dennis Donovan, 33 is a gardner for a wealthy family in Georgetown and again probably lives here except for time off. and that may be why Joahanna is by herself with the children when the census was taken. Dennis was born in Ireland, 1838 anmd Johanna was born 1830 in Ireland and runs a grocery store. I'll see if I can find Johanna in the 1880 census. J ----- Original Message ----- From: "ccraven" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 1:46 AM Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] Donovan,Mary C. > Juanita, Yes I do have her death certificate only list her father's last > name Donovan born in Ireland and Unknown on her mother (born in Ireland > also). Mary C.Donovan was born in Washington D.C. and lived in California > 68years, age at death 75 which would make her 7 before coming to > California. How strange not to find a birth record or even a census with > her parent's. > > Joseph was my Grandfather but I know little about him, seems know one > wanted to talk about the ancestor's, I do know they were all Catholic. > How would I find her birth certificate or record? Cecile > > > > cecile/sis > > > > > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

thnks.... 8-) I just remembered now (been a few years back we went through all that).. that the 1880 Federal Census John Murphy household was listed as being in Mechanicsville, MONTGOMERY County, Maryland... which is what set us off trying to find out where in Montgomery Co. could such a town have been and that led to the discovery that Olney ahd long ago been called that.. Also the Railroad passed through Olney then.. and my grandfatehr (born in harford Co., MD) worked for the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad... and somehow or another he had to meet my grandmother..... thanks again... 8-) Joe [email protected]

Joe: There is a Mechanicsville, MD in St Marys county. Not sure how long it's been there though. Maybe check out some St Marys websites. Good Luck! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Slavin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] Donovan,Mary C. > You say birth certificates begain in DC in 1874 ?? > > My mother's mother Margaret Agnes Murphy (according to her death certificate filed in baltimore, MD) was born on March 17, 1876 in Georgetown, DC... As a child I was told also that she was born in Georgetown.. > > When I got help from the DC archives (teh gentleman so many List members recommend we contact there to get real help and he was very helpful)..on trying to find a certificate for her bitth they were unable to find any such record .. No such person born that entire year and a year or so afterward. too. > > I have never been able to find a Murphy family there at that time period that exactly matches the first names of her and her two sisters I knw of.. and the possible first names for the father as given to me long ago by my now dead Uncle. Same goes for the first name of her fatehr given in her death certificate. The mother's name in that death certificate is so smeared we have no idea what it is.. > > The closes thing I can find to meeting the requirements is a family headed by a John Murphy living in 'Mechanicsville, Maryland' in the 1880 Census with 4 year old daughter Margaret A. born in DC and some siblings that could be her sisters... Turns out that Olney in Montgomery Co., MD was once known as Mechanicsville so I believe that is where thsi family was in the 1880 census. > > Her death certificate stated her father was one Thomas Murphy, while my Uncle had suggested he might be named either henry or William, and that he was a blacksmith in Georgetown.. I'm not sure which relative supplied the info for the death certificate as all her children have been dead now for many years.. > > The questions I now ask are these: > > 1. were birth certificates REQUIRED for every child born in DC as early as my grandmother's 1876 birth..?? Or were they just optional ?? or the birth might not be recorded on such if the child was born at home rather than in a Hospital back then ?? > > 2. When did Birth Certificates begin in Montgomery Co., Maryland ??? > > 3. back then in march of 1876 was Georgetown a part of DC ???Or was it instead part of Maryland ??? and if part of Maryland, then what Maryland County was it part of ??? > > Hoping someone might be willing and able to tell me the answers to the above..... > > Thanks.. 8-) > > Joe [email protected] > > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Juanita, I'm confused I have gotten 3 other email replying to Donovan, Mary C. from other researchers are they also talking about my Great Great Grandmother? I appreciate all the help. But have never heard "Murphy". and since Donovan was born in 1860 D.C. was wondering were that fit in, really all I'm very thankful for the help. Cecile cecile/sis

You say birth certificates begain in DC in 1874 ?? My mother's mother Margaret Agnes Murphy (according to her death certificate filed in baltimore, MD) was born on March 17, 1876 in Georgetown, DC... As a child I was told also that she was born in Georgetown.. When I got help from the DC archives (teh gentleman so many List members recommend we contact there to get real help and he was very helpful)..on trying to find a certificate for her bitth they were unable to find any such record .. No such person born that entire year and a year or so afterward. too. I have never been able to find a Murphy family there at that time period that exactly matches the first names of her and her two sisters I knw of.. and the possible first names for the father as given to me long ago by my now dead Uncle. Same goes for the first name of her fatehr given in her death certificate. The mother's name in that death certificate is so smeared we have no idea what it is.. The closes thing I can find to meeting the requirements is a family headed by a John Murphy living in 'Mechanicsville, Maryland' in the 1880 Census with 4 year old daughter Margaret A. born in DC and some siblings that could be her sisters... Turns out that Olney in Montgomery Co., MD was once known as Mechanicsville so I believe that is where thsi family was in the 1880 census. Her death certificate stated her father was one Thomas Murphy, while my Uncle had suggested he might be named either henry or William, and that he was a blacksmith in Georgetown.. I'm not sure which relative supplied the info for the death certificate as all her children have been dead now for many years.. The questions I now ask are these: 1. were birth certificates REQUIRED for every child born in DC as early as my grandmother's 1876 birth..?? Or were they just optional ?? or the birth might not be recorded on such if the child was born at home rather than in a Hospital back then ?? 2. When did Birth Certificates begin in Montgomery Co., Maryland ??? 3. back then in march of 1876 was Georgetown a part of DC ???Or was it instead part of Maryland ??? and if part of Maryland, then what Maryland County was it part of ??? Hoping someone might be willing and able to tell me the answers to the above..... Thanks.. 8-) Joe [email protected]

Juantia, I'm really not sure if only I could find something thats why I was hoping with her birth year and I do believe her mother was Margaret. Just too bad I didn't ask more question? oh I do have her marriage certificate when she and my Great Grandfather married Feb.16,1886 San Francisco CA. I do want to thank you for helping me. Cecile cecile/sis

Juanita, Are any of your GASS family members connected to SAMMONS/SAMONS of Arkansas? Did your Gass line (ha) come from PA? Thanks, Dolores SAMONS Harvell Juanita Gass wrote: > Birth certificates began in 1874 in DC. did your grandmother have any > sisters or brothers? J > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ccraven" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 1:46 AM > Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] Donovan,Mary C. > > > Juanita, Yes I do have her death certificate only list her father's last > > name Donovan born in Ireland and Unknown on her mother (born in Ireland > > also). Mary C.Donovan was born in Washington D.C. and lived in California > > 68years, age at death 75 which would make her 7 before coming to > > California. How strange not to find a birth record or even a census with > > her parent's. > > > > Joseph was my Grandfather but I know little about him, seems know one > > wanted to talk about the ancestor's, I do know they were all Catholic. > > How would I find her birth certificate or record? Cecile > > > > > > > > cecile/sis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx -- dolores SAMONS harvell Genealogy - disturbing the dead, and irritating the living

Birth certificates began in 1874 in DC. did your grandmother have any sisters or brothers? J ----- Original Message ----- From: "ccraven" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 1:46 AM Subject: Re: [WashingtonDC'' ] Donovan,Mary C. > Juanita, Yes I do have her death certificate only list her father's last > name Donovan born in Ireland and Unknown on her mother (born in Ireland > also). Mary C.Donovan was born in Washington D.C. and lived in California > 68years, age at death 75 which would make her 7 before coming to > California. How strange not to find a birth record or even a census with > her parent's. > > Joseph was my Grandfather but I know little about him, seems know one > wanted to talk about the ancestor's, I do know they were all Catholic. > How would I find her birth certificate or record? Cecile > > > > cecile/sis > > > > > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >