Diane, Does this book have the descendants of John and Emma? I am looking for Hannah Washburn, born 1803 in Washington Co.,N.Y. I too would be interested in the pictures and buying the book. Where did you find it and how much? Thanks for any help you can give me. Gwen Gwendolyn T. McCabe gmccabe@dreamscape.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <DIANELRICE@aol.com> To: <WASHBURN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 6:31 PM Subject: Re: CORRECTION: Our WASHBURN Heraldry > Hi list, > > My husband & I were recently in England and visited the St. Laurence Church > in Wichenford, England. As luck would have it, there was a gentleman cutting > the lawn of the church grounds and cemetery the afternoon we made it into > this small community, and he let us into the church. I now have photos of > the church, tombs, crest and Washburn stained glass window from this church. > I would be happy to try and scan them and send them to the list in the form > of an attachment if anyone is interested. > > On the same trip while in Stratford on Avon, some of you might recognize this > as the birthplace of Shakespeare, in the Cotswolds area of England, I went > into the Records Office and looked at a copy of James Davenport's book > entitled The Washbourne Family first published in London, England in 1907. I > have since bought a copy of this book. In it is an excellent genealogy chart > that John & Emma Washbounre of the Bengeworth branch of the family and traces > them back to Sir Roger of Little Washbounre. In the book when I received it > were three photos of St. Mary Church at Greater Washbourne. I would be happy > to try to scan and send them to the list too. > > Diane L. (Washburn) Rice of Michigan >

Hello again to all, The James Davenport book traces John and Emma Washbourne of the Bengeworth branch of the family back to Sir Roger Washbourne is what I meant to convey in my last message. I would like to know what some of the rest of you think of the Davenport book. I have seen it quoted on this list, but have not had time, as of yet, of read it and check out its documentation. I will work on scanning the Washburn photos we took in England in the next couple of days and then try and send them. My computer skills very amateurish, but if I scan them into my computer in bitmap format it should work. I will ask my son and son-in-law about the possibility of putting them on a web site. Either a new one or one of yours. Diane (Washburn) Rice

Actual it has been proven that the Luther Washburn who was the son of Jonathan Washburn and Rebecca Perkins married Thankful Geer. This Luther Washburn was born 14 Dec 1757 in Bridgewater, MA (Bridgewater VR v. 1 p. 332) Luther Washburn married Thankful Geer on 8 Feb 1790 in Norwich, MA [MD v.42 p. 3] So the Luther who married and moved to Lee, Oneida Co., NY was NOT Luther the son of Jonathan Washburn. Sorry Brenton, you goofed. Susan Bingler Fairfax, VA

My name is Judith DeHart Wilson also of Michigan. My grandfather William Edgar Washburn b. 1877 D. 1935. Was born in Virginia (Henry Co.) I would like anything you have from your trip to England. I have just started to research my ancestors. I haven't found any links yet to his family of Washburns. Thanking you in advance. Sincerely, Judith DeHart Wilson.

Thank you for the leads. I will start lokking Dixie

Wow. Works for me. Thanks, Dian. Lyn

According to Brenton Washburne's book your line goes back like this: Jonathan Washburn (b. 1733) m. Rebecca Perkins 1/18/1757 in Bridgewater MA Josiah Washburn (b. 5/12/1686 in Bridgewater MA; d. 1/27/1734 in Bridgewater MA) m. Sarah Richmond (b. 1701 in Taunton MA; d. 6/9/1787 in Bridgewater MA) in 1724 Jonathan Washburn (b. 1656; d. 1735) m. Mary Vaughan in 1683 John Washburn (b. 11/26/1620 in Bengeworth, England; d. 11/12/1686 in Bridgewater MA) m. Elizabeth Mitchell (b. 1628 in Plymouth MA; d. bf. 12/5/1684 in Bridgewater MA) on 12/6/1645 in Bridgewater MA). Bill Betts Center Cross, Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: <Dixann66@aol.com> To: <WASHBURN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 4:03 PM Subject: (no subject) > My family line is... 1.. Luther Washburn married Sarah Spinning 2.. Freeman > Washburn married Vienna Wright 3.. John Torbert Washburn married Elvira > Washbrun (her father is Martin Washburn ,son of Luther ,and her mother is > Martha Curtis); 4.. James Henry Geer Married Mary Effie Washburn (Geer); 5.. > Lyle Warren Geer married Emma Untiedt (Geer); Odell Fuller Geer Married > Virginia Katherine Wentworth (Geer); 6.. Calvin Olson married Dixie Ann Geer > (Olson) Me.. If anyone out there can find a father for Luther I will be > eternally grateful to them. I have had info as to the father being Jonathan > Washburn, but no dates, places or brother and sisters. Warm wishes, Dixie >

Greetings Cousin Barbara, Sunday 2 July 2000 I wish to thank you for your "clarification" of the Washburn Family "Coat-of-Arms" for the readers on the Washburn-List. You and I may understand the order of inheritance of a family "coat-of-arms" but, many may not understand the presentation that "no such current" heraldry exists. That may be true, but unknowingly in England we still have "cousins" living. Because it has been "officially" recorded as true Washburn heraldry [Burkes Armory], maybe just one of our English cousins has been able to "link" their line for their accurate family branch "authenticity"...who knows? Anyway, in the "unofficial" route, my Grandfather traced our branch to England and to Sir Roger and "embraced" the Washburn Family "Coat-of-Arms" with the correct "quatro-foil" (the three four leaf). The "five leaf" as Brenton Washburne has inscribed on his books was picked up in more recent years (after the colonialization period) in the eastern states...i.e. New York family branches. If you are not aware, Brenton's line "directly" links to the three brothers who had the Washburn Railroad and flour mill in Minneapolis, Minn (one of them served in Congress and another served as a Governor of Wisconsin). Coincidentally, my Grandfather worked for his cousins on the railroad. Brenton's ancestors were tied closely in Government circles... i.e...President Lincoln and General/President Grant. Take care Barbara, Cousin Chuck ========================================================================= >Yes, Chuck, having lived in England for quite some time and studied >the subject myself in some depth, I readily agree with you that, >indeed, Sir Roger de Washburn's unique Coat of Arms inscribed above >HIS tomb in Wichenford church. But there are actually more than one >interesting "Washburn" Coats of arms on record. (And note that the >heraldic decoration on Brenton's book is not the same as that >inscribed over Sir Roger's tomb.) But, happily, if you can actually >prove you are Sir Roger's heir AND can prove that you have >personally inherited the right to use HIS coat of arms, you may have >them inscribed on or above yours, too, without causing yourself or >your family undue embarrassment. > >Frankly, I'd rather have my email address inscribed on mine in case >anyone wants to reach me. <big grin> > >Barbara Washbubrn-Lienhard >woodside@bicnet.net > >PS Over the past few years there also have been a series of >discussions on this subject on other forums. One response of note is >below: >Sir, thank you for exposing the commercial and rather ridiculous >sale of Coats of Arms-in the pretence that they do belong to anyone >with the matching surname for a few dollars--even today to qualify >one must be a worthy person, and if granted wait possibly three >years for the Letters Patent and at a cost of between two and three >thousand pounds. Thank you again for putting this before the many >thousands that are duped into buying these objects- >Geoffrey-Lord Horne of Wakes Colne-

Diane, and all..... Is there a web page anywhere that we could post these and all of the wonderful wills and stuff that John Maltby has sent??? Seems to me it could be a wonderful resource! Before anyone asks <Grin>....... I haven't managed to get the Washburn link on my web page active yet, because I apparently have a couple who aren't merged yet and I need to get my 16 year old techie to stop for a few minutes and help with it! Dianne

Hi list, My husband & I were recently in England and visited the St. Laurence Church in Wichenford, England. As luck would have it, there was a gentleman cutting the lawn of the church grounds and cemetery the afternoon we made it into this small community, and he let us into the church. I now have photos of the church, tombs, crest and Washburn stained glass window from this church. I would be happy to try and scan them and send them to the list in the form of an attachment if anyone is interested. On the same trip while in Stratford on Avon, some of you might recognize this as the birthplace of Shakespeare, in the Cotswolds area of England, I went into the Records Office and looked at a copy of James Davenport's book entitled The Washbourne Family first published in London, England in 1907. I have since bought a copy of this book. In it is an excellent genealogy chart that John & Emma Washbounre of the Bengeworth branch of the family and traces them back to Sir Roger of Little Washbounre. In the book when I received it were three photos of St. Mary Church at Greater Washbourne. I would be happy to try to scan and send them to the list too. Diane L. (Washburn) Rice of Michigan

Diane please put me on the list for the photos (all) when you get them done. Thank you, vickye@usaonline.net

I would be more than willing to post anything and everything!!!! I am especially fond of all things that John Maltby has sent to us. My page is at: http://www.krittersnkids.com/Gen/Washburn/RR_TOC.htm but can be updated at anytime. Thanks! Anne Miller ----- Original Message ----- From: <Dashmom@aol.com> To: <WASHBURN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 5:19 PM Subject: Re: CORRECTION: Our WASHBURN Heraldry > Diane, and all..... > > Is there a web page anywhere that we could post these and all of the > wonderful wills and stuff that John Maltby has sent??? Seems to me it could > be a wonderful resource! Before anyone asks <Grin>....... I haven't > managed to get the Washburn link on my web page active yet, because I > apparently have a couple who aren't merged yet and I need to get my 16 year > old techie to stop for a few minutes and help with it! > > Dianne > >

My family line is... 1.. Luther Washburn married Sarah Spinning 2.. Freeman Washburn married Vienna Wright 3.. John Torbert Washburn married Elvira Washbrun (her father is Martin Washburn ,son of Luther ,and her mother is Martha Curtis); 4.. James Henry Geer Married Mary Effie Washburn (Geer); 5.. Lyle Warren Geer married Emma Untiedt (Geer); Odell Fuller Geer Married Virginia Katherine Wentworth (Geer); 6.. Calvin Olson married Dixie Ann Geer (Olson) Me.. If anyone out there can find a father for Luther I will be eternally grateful to them. I have had info as to the father being Jonathan Washburn, but no dates, places or brother and sisters. Warm wishes, Dixie

I am looking for any one who might have WASHBURN descendants in Illinois, Henry County, and Rock Island County. My WASHBURN descendants came here (Henry County Illinois) abt 1836 from the New England States. ABISHA WASHBURN II his wife BETSEY BUGBEE their children ABISHA WASHBURN III and his wife ISABELLE CLAPP and one child CHAUNCEY WASHBURN and NATHAN WASHBURN and his wife Elizabeth SHELDON and their daughter OLIVE and daughter ELIZABETH from an other marrage ELIZABETH mother was OLIVE ASHLEY who died before come to Illinois where I don't know. ABISHA WASHBURN II also brought an daughter name MARY WASHBURN who married an ALONZO AYERS in Illinois. I have very little information on these WASHBURN's before they came to Illinois. Can any one help me ????? you can e-mail me direct at fluffash@geneseo.net Cindy Collis 10330 N.1400 Av Osco Illinois 61274

Deacon Jonathan Washburn, son of Jonathan(5) [Capt. Benjamin(4), Samuel(3), John(2), John(1)] Washburn, was born probably in Middleborough, MA, in ca. 1753, calculated from his age at death, and married Hannah Conant, daughter of Nathan and Hannah (Lazell) Conant, on 14 May 1778 in Bridgewater, MA. She was born in Bridgewater on 23 Mar. 1754. Deacon Jonathan and Hannah Washburn lived in Middleborough, but the births of their children were not recorded in the vital records of Middleborough or Bridgewater. Three of their daughters married Eaton boys, descendants of Francis Eaton, of the "Mayflower," and their two sons married Bump sisters. Deacon Jonathan Washburn died in Middleborough on 21 Oct. 1824, aged 71 years. Luckily, the children of Jonathan and Hannah Washburn are know by the will of Jonathan Washburn, dated 18 Nov. 1822 in Middleborough, and probated on 2 Nov. 1824. It was recorded in Plymouth County Probate Vol. 58, pages 387-390. It is too long to transcribe in full, but here is my abstraction: The will of Jonathan Washburn of Middleborough. In the name of God Amen. I Jonathan Washburn of Middleborough...being considerably advanced in years...to my true and well beloved wife Hannah Washburn one third part of my indoor moveable estate and 2 cows, ... the use and improvement of one half of my dwelling house & cellar, [excepting the priviledge I give my daughter Hannah to live in the said house as long as she remains unmarried.] Also to my wife one third part of the improvement of all lands & buildings, including the use of my pew in the meeting house. To son Nathan Washburn...all lands that lye southwardly of the road leading from my house to the widow Hannah Leonard's & eastwardly of the road leading by my house to David Weston's, also all my lands that lye westwardly of the turnpike road between Capt. Joshua Shaw's & Solomon Eaton's, [on condition that he pay certain legacies specified herein.] To my two daughters Abigail Eaton & Huldah Eaton $25 apiece [to be paid by son Nathan Washburn after my decease.] To my three daughters Jedidah Eaton, Cynthia Leonard and Hannah Washburn $25 apeice [to be paid by son Cyrus Washburn after my decease.] To daughter Hannah [so much of personal estate as will make her equal in value to what I have delivered to my before named daughters at the time of their marriages] and the priviledge of [getting fire wood and the use of one sixth part of my dwelling house & cellar as long as she remains unmarried and my wife shall live, and if she remains unmarried after my wife dies, to have the use of one half of my dwelling house so long as she remains unmarried.] To son Cyrus Washburn all the remaining part & residue of my real estate [including the reversion of that part of the dwelling house & cellar that I have given use of to my wife and daughter Hannah, on condition that he pay the legacies beforein directed.] The rest of the personal estate and the pew in the meeting house to be equally divided by my seven children. Son Nathan Washburn was appointed as sole executor. Dated 18 Nov. 1822. Signed Jonathan Washburn by his mark "X" and witnessed by Andrew Weston, Joshua Shaw Junr. and Enoch Weston. Jonathan's widow Hannah died in Middleborough on 16 Apr. 1839, also testate, and named her son-in-law Ziba Eaton as executor of her will. Jonathan and Hannah Washburn's daughter Abigail "Nabby" Washburn married Seth Eaton, son of Seth and Bethiah (Delano) Eaton, of Middleborough, on 28 July 1796 in Middleborough. She died in Middleborough on 2 Aug. 1840, and he died in Titicut, MA, on 18 Aug. 1849, aged 76 years. Son Nathan Washburn married Sarah "Sally" Bump, daughter of Joseph and Mercy (Barden) Bump, of Middleborough, on 15 Nov. 1804 in Middleborough. He died testate on 29 Jan. 1848 in Titicut, MA, and named Solomon Alden Jr. as executor of his will. His widow Sally died on 27 Oct. 1864 in Middleborough, aged 79 years. Daughter Huldah Washburn married Barnabas Eaton, son of Nathan and Margaret (Cherry) Eaton, of Middleborough, on 9 Aug. 1807 in Middleborough. He was a half-cousin of Abigail's husband. Huldah died in Middleborough on 10 Aug. 1841, and Barnabas died in Middleborough on 11 May 1855, aged 73 years. Son Cyrus Washburn married Betsy Bump, sister of Sally Bump, on 17 Sept. 1810 in Middleborough. He died in Middleborough on 10 July 1865, aged 81 yrs., 11 mos., 22 days, and named his eldest son, Bradford S. Washburn, as executor of his will. Betsy died sometime after 1865. Daughter Jedidah Washburn married Ziba Eaton, brother of Barnabas Eaton, on 24 May 1811 in Middleborough. She died in Middleborough on 23 Sept. 1851, aged 63 years, and he died in Middleborough on 9 Oct. 1858, aged 74 yrs., 6 mos., 21 days. Daughter Cynthia Washburn evidently married a Leonard before 1822, but I haven't found their marriage record yet. Anybody know his name? No marriage found in Middleborough for daughter Hannah Washburn after 1822 either. I hope somebody finds this will useful. John A. Maltby Redwood City, CA jamaltby@creative.net

Received yopur packet but haven't had time to digest it yet. Thanks Gwen ----- Original Message ----- From: <MChambe486@aol.com> To: <WASHBURN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 7:42 AM Subject: Re: The Church of St. Laurence in Wichenford, Co. of Worcesershire, England > June 12, 2000 > Hello! I am delighted to hear from you. I send out a lot of messages hoping > to contact someone who is interested in some small part of my family history > and seldom do I have a response. But the responses that I do receive I value. > > I shall make a copy of the material that I have on Sarah Washburn, not a lot > as it has been difficult to trace, and what I have on Consider's history. I > have been searching for his birthplace and immediate family and can't find > that info. Bits & pieces here and there. I can send you the info that I have > on Sarah W by e-mail but I will need your mailing address in order to send > you what I have on Consider & their progeny. > > I have MAC rather than a PC and trying to send attachments just does not work > out. The last time that I sent a cousin some material she just wrote back, " > What language did you use?" > > I couldn't sell any of my work, that would be almost like selling a child. > Let's just exchange what we can. > > Thanks for writing, > > Marjorie Chamberlin > 1232 Gilmore Rd. > Charleston SC 29407-5333 >

Yes, Chuck, having lived in England for quite some time and studied the subject myself in some depth, I readily agree with you that, indeed, Sir Roger de Washburn's unique Coat of Arms inscribed above HIS tomb in Wichenford church. But there are actually more than one interesting "Washburn" Coats of arms on record. (And note that the heraldic decoration on Brenton's book is not the same as that inscribed over Sir Roger's tomb.) But, happily, if you can actually prove you are Sir Roger's heir AND can prove that you have personally inherited the right to use HIS coat of arms, you may have them inscribed on or above yours, too, without causing yourself or your family undue embarrassment. Frankly, I'd rather have my email address inscribed on mine in case anyone wants to reach me. <big grin> Barbara Washbubrn-Lienhard woodside@bicnet.net PS Over the past few years there also have been a series of discussions on this subject on other forums. One response of note is below: Sir, thank you for exposing the commercial and rather ridiculous sale of Coats of Arms-in the pretence that they do belong to anyone with the matching surname for a few dollars--even today to qualify one must be a worthy person, and if granted wait possibly three years for the Letters Patent and at a cost of between two and three thousand pounds. Thank you again for putting this before the many thousands that are duped into buying these objects- Geoffrey-Lord Horne of Wakes Colne-

Greetings.... Tuesday 27 June 2000 I have just read Barbara Dudley Washburn-Lienhard's message concerning "our" family "Coat of Arms." First off, the WASHBURN Family "Coat of Arms" does exist and has been recorded in "Burkes Armory." This book (has been printed many years ago)has the record of the "official" declaration of the Washburn Family "Coat of Arms" as well as the family "Motto" that is inscribed beneath the Shield. The "Crest," "Shield," and the "Motto" completes the entire requirement for a "Coat of Arms." Barbara Dudley Washburn-Lienhard wrote: "But, actually, on another related subject, following the rules of heraldry, the coat of arms of Sir Roger de Washbourne is not actually "The Washburn Crest" per se. There is no such thing (except in the lucrative American Heraldry market) as a "family" coat of arms or crest or shield." Barbara, you have to go much deeper into European heraldry history other then "the lucrative American Heraldry market" to get an accurate picture. If you are interested in the subject, I suggest you do so. I wish to restate, the Washburn Family "Coat of Arms" does exist. And if one wishes to see it in an "official" state, it has been inscribed into the outside wall of the stoned built, historic Wichenford Church in England. Inside the church are the tombs of Sr. Roger de Washburn and his (two)wives. I have done a lot of personal study on this subject. If anyone wishes to discuss this further please contact me. Thank you, Cousin Chuck

Hi Washburns, In reply to Barbara's message regarding a national Washburn reunion (below), I believe that such a reunion did take place in past years every other summer at the Washburn-Norlands Living Museum in Livermore, Maine. I don't know if this custom is still taking place. Maybe the webpage at www.norlands.org will have information on such a reunion, and we can contact Norlands at norlands@ctel.net to inquire when and if such a reunion will take place this or next summer. Or maybe we could have a yearly or biyearly reunion in other parts of the country on a rotating basis so that far-flung Washburns could attend. I know other family associations do that. Good idea, Barbara, which we should all consider encouraging and attending. Another Washburn, Nancy Weller Dorian ----- Original Message ----- From: Woodside <woodside@Bicnet.net> To: <WASHBURN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 8:23 AM Subject: FW: 12 Generations -and more! > > I've seen this early line to Sir Roger de Washburn before and it raises a question for me. Have the early progenitors of brothers John and William, our immigrant Washburns to Massachusetts and New York, actually ever been established? Or is this early lineage mostly conjecture? > > I hope Washburn family historians aren't working so hard to find any kind of title in the family tree that tiny details like birth records or other proof are momentarily overlooked. (I am just as guilty. Don't look too hard at my maternal lineage - based on what I have recently read in Faris' book on Plantagenet Ancestry I have been thinking small royal crowns discreetly printed on my new personal stationery would be nice. <big grin>). But, seriously, I do recall some discussion on this list some time ago in which there was a question about which early John Washburn of Bengeworth was which. If we don't even know for certain who HE was, how could our lines be extrapolated back any further? Has anyone actually proven this line? > > But, actually, on another related subject, following the rules of heraldry, the coat of arms of Sir Roger de Washbourne is not actually "The Washburn Crest" per se. There is no such thing (except in the lucrative American Heraldry market) as a "family" coat of arms or crest or shield. Coats of arms were, and actually still are today, granted only to an individual. NOT to the entire family. Even different brothers arms were different - that is how they were recognized in the field. And how different family lines are recognized in Europe even today. These symbols are passed by inheritance only to another INDIVIDUAL....usually the oldest surviving male heir, although females have also inherited their fathers' arms and often quarter them with their husband's. In countries where their proper use is known, it is actually quite improper to use arms that are not rightfully one's own - whether inherited or granted directly (usually as an honor). Unless he inherited it, or had perm! > ission from its rightful owner, not even the author of a Washburn history has a right to use that crest on his book. Just a curiosity........... > > Titled or not, it's so wonderful to see how many Washburn cousins we are....and how intelligent, and probably good looking. Has anyone considered holding a National Washburn Reunion? Anyone have any thoughts on that? > > Barbara Dudley Washburn-Lienhard > Woodside@Bicnet.net > > > > >

Barbara Dudley Washburn-Lienhard, The last national WASHBURN reunion was held by Warren WASHBURN in the 1980's, whom as of 1995 resides in Huntsville, Alabama. Very nice man and was head of the now defunct WASHBURN Association. With age and a fire at his place of business prior to retiring, which held all the WASHBURN families information, it is now too much work for him. I would also enjoy a WASHBURN reunion, maybe Bridgewater or Plymouth Massachusetts? Just dreaming since I could not organize such an event by myself with time and money an issue. Yours Truly, Ken Maxwell (WASHBURN) ________________________________ You Wrote>>>>>>>snip Titled or not, it's so wonderful to see how many Washburn cousins we are....and how intelligent, and probably good looking. Has anyone considered holding a National Washburn Reunion? Anyone have any thoughts on that? Barbara Dudley Washburn-Lienhard Woodside@Bicnet.net _________________________________ e-mail kenmax@eclipse.net Our Home Page http://millennium.fortunecity.com/ruthven/507/KenandSueMaxwellHome.htm Researching for myself, Kenneth Robert Maxwell; WASHBURN, WETZEL, HINKLE, HETTINGER, CLEVELAND / CLEAVELAND, MAXWELL, SMITH, FRASER, STUART, SUTTER, KASSEL, GARRISON, COOKE, WEISS, RICHMOND, VAUGHAN, MITCHELL, MOORE, STEVENS, FIRTH, CLAY, & INNES. Researching for my wife Susanne Elisabeth Roberts; BEIDLER / BITLER /BEUTLER, LANG, ROBERTS, BARTMAN, NORBECK, BAHN, STONER, FITZ, LEHMAN, OTIS, CLARK, McCOY, BIRKLER, BOGUE, LECKRUM, DOSCH, STRICKLER, DRITT, HERBACH, HERR, MILLER, BEYER, MORGAN, KLEIN, KRAMER / CREMER, FORRY SHIRK, BURKI, & DELLINGER