Hello Everyone, I'm not actually trying to put a "damper" on anyone's idea of organization.....but, for those who may not be aware of the legalities they should be made aware that an organization such as this needs to have legal status within the home State of Origin as well as with the Internal Revenue Service. This would definitely be the case if you are going to be bringing in membership fees and/or donations that should be accounted for. Most States are willing to advise you as to the requirements that need to be filled to file for your proposed organization and for a filing as a "non-profit Organization." What I have experienced in the past for other organizations seem to follow a set of recommendantions for the layout of your Organization's By-Laws...ie, 1. Name of Establishment 2. Purpose 3. Membership 4. Officers' Meetings- Regular 5. Annual/Special Meetings 6. Board of Directors 7. Organization's Officers & Duties 8. Seal adopted by Organization 9. Liabilities x. Assets and/or their final disposal 11. chosen fiscal year 12. Effective dates upon adoption of By-Laws which are to be submitted for necessary approval from local/state/federal authorities. If everyone is still gung-ho now that you realize the work that is involved in order to create an organization that is legal....I say GO FOR IT...and I am willing to help or assist you in any way that I can. Oh, sorry that I can't give you 12 generations for my Washburns as I have not been able to validate them for myself...but I'm a Washburn non-the-less..lol Thank you, Linda Towle Cloutier freedom@ncia.net

I have a Silenus Washburn, born 1825, died 30 August 1897 1st Lieutenant Co. D. 98 Reg. New York Volunteers. (Enlisted at 36 years of age as a 1st Lt. in Bangor, NY) Married twice, First spouse: Elizabeth (?) born 1831, died 30 July 1888 Second spouse: Martha L. Green 1852 - 1936 They are buried in Bangor Cemetery, Bangor New York. Can anyone connect them? Rodney L. McKinney Rmckin2383@aol.com NEHGS

Chuck, That sounds like a great idea. Here is my line updated from last year. My mom is also on here and this is her side of the family. John Washbourne m. Margery Moore John Washburn m. Elizabeth Mitchell Jonathan Washburn m. Mary Vaughn Elizabeth Washburn m. John Benson Hannah Benson m. James Dunbar Elizabeth Dunbar m. Seth Washburn, Sr. James Washburn m. Susanna Raymond Benjamin Franklin Washburn, I m. Elizabeth A. Ruth Sarah Elizabeth Washburn m. Warren Spencer Helm Clara Frances Rebecca Helm m. Peter Whitish Thyra Grace Whitish m. Rufus Valandingham Marks Yvette Hope Marks m. William Edwin Reckert Valeria Grace Reckert, Terry Michael Reckert, William Edwin Reckert, II also John Washbourne m. Margery Moore John Washburn m. Elizabeth Mitchell James Washburn m. Mary Bowden James Washburn m. Elizbeth Leonard Reuben Wasburn m. Betty Dilley see above from Seth Washburn, Sr. m. Elizabeth Dunbar also John Washbourne m. Margery Moore Phillip Washburn m. Elizabeth Irish Marjoram Washburn m. Josiah Leonard see 2nd lineage from Elizabeth Leonard m. James Washburn Valeria vreckert@indy.net

I have been enjoying this list for a while now, and as someone very new to genealogy (2 years, one of which was just unorganized dabbling), I think those with experience in other organized family groups should be defered to for their expertise. I love Chuck's idea of a regional and national group. I also think an initial meeting in Bridgewater is an excellent idea. What I suggest is that you expand your search for Washburn cousins to outside this list. Many folks can only subscribe to a few lists (as you know, the mail is overwhelming). Perhaps a call should be put out in the General Forum or in Ancestry.com's Washburn Web Page. Also, perhaps other groups (related to the Washburns, of course) that have newsletters might be willing to publish an article about this venture. Another idea I have is to perhaps organize a chat session for brainstorming. How did other groups begin? What problems did they encounter that we could avoid? Would it be worth our time to send to other groups that we belong to and ask the more experienced (notice, I did not say "older" here) members for advice. I hope I have contributed to the cause. If I repeated ideas, I didn't mean to. Lori Huntley from Washburn-Mitchell line

Actually, Chuck, I've been working on material for my Mayflower Society application through my Washburn line. I am from Sally, dau. of Asa, son of Seth.... Do you have any useful pointers for a novice? Thanks, Liz Chemnitz

Chuck, Sounds like a reasonable, workable plan...awesome, mind you, but I think reasonable. I do have to say, though, I've been watching for my line on the last cry for 12 gens. and I can't say that I've seen too many descending from Joseph, son of John Washburn & Elizabeth Mitchell. Maybe we (me & whoever the others may be) could be a very small 'pilot' group. Regards, Liz Chemnitz

Hi Chuck, I like your quick response to my suggestion. Please enter my vote in favor of your proposal. It's time the Washburns banded together and got organized along the lines you suggest. I hope other Washburns will step forth and offer to spearhead and implement the formation of an association. You sound like a natural to lead such an effort. Keep us posted. Thanks, Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Washburn <histwash@thegrid.net> To: <WASHBURN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 5:38 PM Subject: A PROPOSAL: The WASHBURN Family Association > A PROPOSAL: The WASHBURN Family Association > Let's organize ourselves as I submit to you below the steps. > > >In a message dated 7/10/2000 1:02:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > >ndorian@earthlink.net writes: > > > ><< It seems that we would need to form a > > Washburn Family Association and have > > an election of officers in order to organize > > such a reunion. The president of the group > > could be in charge of planning and appoint > > various committees. >> > > Greetings Cousins! Monday 10 July 2000 > > I hear the voices out there who wish for us to come together in some > manner or another. > > I propose the following way to "organize" ourselves as a "genuine" national > family organization. One way to begin to organize a "Washburn Family > Association" > would be to: > > 1st: Contact all the folks who contributed on the Washburn-List in > announcing their family > linage (REF: Calling all 12 Generations...etc.). > > 2nd: From this group there could form national "chapters" across the country. > This would provide a genuine "core" of folks who have already family > linage built > and would be able to assist others who need to fill certain gaps in > their research. > > 3rd: From these national "chapters" would come local and regional newsletters > to inform other "Washburn Cousins" that we "truly" exist. With this example we > would be unified and representing a family that "truly" could share > in the contributions > to the growth of this country. > > 4th: 'Region' and 'National' WASHBURN Family Reunion's: > As these national "chapters" became known, then there would be the appropriate > contacts to begin to work on a WASHBURN Family Reunion. And, as was > suggested by > someone, there could be the possibility of "regional" as well as > "national" gatherings > of the WASHBURN Family. > > 5th: From this group would provide the "wealth" of accomplished > research for all of > us to share. As well as provide those "answers" we may be looking for. > > I have kept all the correspondence from the "12 Generations Call" > from last year as well as the > recent one I placed several weeks ago on this list. > > I would like to hear from "any" or "all" who support such an idea. > From this type of > organized association, we could have our "well planned" WASHBURN > Reunion as many > have suggested. We desperately need to establish a strong > communication link. From > this (as I stated above) there could be newsletters..etc., to provide > vital information > to each of us. I know we all would benefit from such a organization. > > From a Cousin who is deeply interested in the establishment of a > "WASHBURN Family Association." > > Thank you! > > Chuck Washburn > Member, Mayflower Society > General No. 47,000 > ----------------------------------- > Son's of the American Revolution > National No. 120026 > ------------------------------------------ > > >

In a message dated 7/10/2000 1:02:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ndorian@earthlink.net writes: << It seems that we would need to form a Washburn Family Association and have an election of officers in order to organize such a reunion. The president of the group could be in charge of planning and appoint various committees. >> I have no idea of how many Washburn descendants there are, but the number has to be astronomical. Wouldn't it be better to confine reunions to smaller groups? If only half of the descendants showed up, you'd need a park the size of Rhode Island. As for electing officers and enrolling people for a fee -- that is a strictly commercial venture and would only lead to a conflict. I am hoping that research be considered the topic and that reunions, as I have already stated, be left to the individual lines. That way, we can maintain a civil relationship with no one hurling accusations about misappropriation of funds etc. Rodney L. McKinney Rmckin2383@aol.com NEHGS

A PROPOSAL: The WASHBURN Family Association Let's organize ourselves as I submit to you below the steps. >In a message dated 7/10/2000 1:02:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >ndorian@earthlink.net writes: > ><< It seems that we would need to form a > Washburn Family Association and have > an election of officers in order to organize > such a reunion. The president of the group > could be in charge of planning and appoint > various committees. >> Greetings Cousins! Monday 10 July 2000 I hear the voices out there who wish for us to come together in some manner or another. I propose the following way to "organize" ourselves as a "genuine" national family organization. One way to begin to organize a "Washburn Family Association" would be to: 1st: Contact all the folks who contributed on the Washburn-List in announcing their family linage (REF: Calling all 12 Generations...etc.). 2nd: From this group there could form national "chapters" across the country. This would provide a genuine "core" of folks who have already family linage built and would be able to assist others who need to fill certain gaps in their research. 3rd: From these national "chapters" would come local and regional newsletters to inform other "Washburn Cousins" that we "truly" exist. With this example we would be unified and representing a family that "truly" could share in the contributions to the growth of this country. 4th: 'Region' and 'National' WASHBURN Family Reunion's: As these national "chapters" became known, then there would be the appropriate contacts to begin to work on a WASHBURN Family Reunion. And, as was suggested by someone, there could be the possibility of "regional" as well as "national" gatherings of the WASHBURN Family. 5th: From this group would provide the "wealth" of accomplished research for all of us to share. As well as provide those "answers" we may be looking for. I have kept all the correspondence from the "12 Generations Call" from last year as well as the recent one I placed several weeks ago on this list. I would like to hear from "any" or "all" who support such an idea. From this type of organized association, we could have our "well planned" WASHBURN Reunion as many have suggested. We desperately need to establish a strong communication link. From this (as I stated above) there could be newsletters..etc., to provide vital information to each of us. I know we all would benefit from such a organization. From a Cousin who is deeply interested in the establishment of a "WASHBURN Family Association." Thank you! Chuck Washburn Member, Mayflower Society General No. 47,000 ----------------------------------- Son's of the American Revolution National No. 120026 ------------------------------------------

Thanks, Susan, for the input about a Reunion. Your cautions and suggestions are well made. It seems that we would need to form a Washburn Family Association and have an election of officers in order to organize such a reunion. The president of the group could be in charge of planning and appoint various committees. Does anyone know if there is already an association of Washburns? If one does exist, could it be expanded through the internet to include the members on this list? If not, is someone on the list willing to organize such an association? There could also be regional associations of Washburns since there are so many of us, and so far flung. I belong to another family association which has minimal dues of $12 a year (with an initial fee of $5) for which you receive a quarterly newsletter on family issues and information. I agree with you that a summer 2001 weekend in New England, probably Bridgewater, Mass, where the Washburns began their American odyssey, would be a good place to initiate a yearly or bi-yearly reunion. Because of its historical significance, it would offer valuable sites for field trips, such as Plymouth Colony and the Pilgrim Museum for the Washburn's Mayflower connection. There would also be adequate accommodations at various prices in and around the Boston area. Just thought I'd add my 2 cents of ideas for what their worth to the discussion of a reunion. Washburnly yours, Nancy ---- Original Message ----- From: <SUSANLB@aol.com> To: <WASHBURN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 5:29 AM Subject: Re: Fw: WASHBURN NATIONAL REUNION > I like the thought of a Washburn family reunion, but the organization behind > putting one together is overwhelming to me. > > Someone has to plan at least my catered luncheon or better yet dinner that > everyone will attend. Even though each attendee pays his own way, someone > has to contact an establishment, or rent a hall and get a caterer and be > responsible for paying the bill. > > There should be at least one planned activity - visit to an historical site, > something just for the fun of getting together with family and interacting > (No visiting a cemetery or going to a research facility is no a planned > family activity!) > > The location where the reunion is held needs to have housing facilities equal > to the number of people coming, at a variety of prices so that all can afford > it. - Which leans things toward a metropolitan area. > > If you have a dinner, it would be nice to have a speaker for the dinner who > could give an entertaining, but information talk on some aspect of the > Washburn family. > > There needs to be some form of organization to get members of the same branch > together. Probably broken down by descendants of William, descendants of > Phillip and then a series of groups for descendants of each of the > children of John Washburn & Elizabeth Mitchell. > > The first reunion would probably be a simple "long Week-end" affair. > Perhaps, Get in on Friday, trip on Saturday, meals on your own, group > discussion in the evening. Luncheon with speaker on Sunday and go home. > > Since the roots of most Washburn's are in New England - I would suspect the > first meeting should be there. But for the most part any planning done this > year would be for an event in 2001 - most place are now booked with summer > vactioners in New England, and then in the fall with the leaf-peeping tours. > I wouldn't do it in the winter - I moved out of New England because i didn't > like the winters. > > Anyone belong to other one-name socieities that hold a reunion? What do > they do? > > Susan Bingler > Fairfax, VA > >

>Don't look on a map it isn't there in 1938 Greenwich ceased to be when it >was annexed to Hardwick, New Salem, Petersham & Ware. I don't think it is so much annexed as under water. Greenwich was one of the 4 (or 5, depends on how you count) towns that was flooded to create the Quabbin Reservoir, Boston's main water supply. If there were pieces that were not flooded (I'd have to check an old map), they may have been absorbed by the outlying towns, but the town as a whole is simply gone. I don't know where the town records were moved to, but the cemetaries went to Belchertown. T. from Central Mass. Desperately seeking WASHBURN siblings Jennie, Benjamin, Andrew, and Nelson from Orange County, New York - all born late 1800s-early 1900s

http://www.mwra.state.ma.us/water/html/hist5.htm http://www.wilbraham.com/quabbin/local.shtml These two web sites will help give some idea of the area where Quabbin, Massachusetts was. In 1930 several entire towns' citizens were displaced and their homes and land flooded (Enfield, Greenwich, Dana, and Prescott) in order to dam the Swift river to make the huge Quabbin Reservoir which serves the greater Boston area's water needs. A fascinating book on this subject, "Quabbin, the Lost Valley" by Donald W. Howe, tells of the true cost of Boston's drinking water......lots of pictures and history. Barbara Washburn Lienhard Woodside@Bicnet.net

Dear Susan, What a thrill to find there is a Bible record held by NSDAR for Nathaniel Johnson that shows his father to be Nathaniel and his mother Mehitable Gile. Since Gile is the name of my ggfather Johnson, I had been sure that there was a link there someplace but had never been able to find it Blessings upon you. Now I can start looking for their parents, and hope I can obtain a copy of the Bible record. Ethel Johnson Lawson

Hi Susan. After reading through this deed carefully, it appears to me most likely that this was Benjamin, the son of Jonathan and Mary (Vaughan) Washburn, who died in Bridgewater on 25 Aug. 1740. In 1739 Benjamin, the son of Samuel Washburn, was still being called "Benjamin Washburn Jr., Cordwainer," while Benjamin, the son of Joseph Washburn, would have been "Benjamin Washburn, 3d" in 1739. Benjamin, son of Jonathan, was appointed administrator of his father's estate in 1726, then his brother Ebenezer's estate in 1728, but obviously Ebenezer was not in the Narragansett War in 1675, so if your speculation was correct that this may have been a piece of land granted to one of the soldiers from that conflict, it must have been his father, Jonathan Washburn. In the case of Ebenezer, the estate was settled upon brother Benjamin, who was to pay his brothers and sisters for their shares in cash. We don't have an itemized division of the real estate of Jonathan Washburn, as far as I know, no accounting was recorded in Plymouth County, so this property could have fallen to either Benjamin or Ebenezer from the estate of Jonathan Washburn. The inventory of Jonathan Washburn showed real estate as being 25 acres of land, "ten of which is not yet layd out," rights in Cedar Swamps, and "half a Purchase Right in the undivided Land" according to George Ernest Bowman's abstraction printed in _The Mayflower Descendant_ 16:51. Doesn't sound like this 100 acre lot in "Quabbin" was included, assuming the purchase right was for future land to be laid out in Bridgewater. If the Narragansett land wasn't granted and laid out until 1732, however, that would explain why it wasn't included in the 1726 inventory, and perhaps the appraisers were referring to it when they listed "half a Purchase Right in the undivided Land" in the inventory. John A. Maltby Redwood City, CA jamaltby@creative.net At 04:02 PM 7/6/2000 EDT, you wrote: >Interesting Hampshire Co., MA [field in Springfield so in the Hampden Co., MA >records] > >vol. M p. 664-665 >To all People to whom These Presents Shall Come Greeting, Know ye that I >Benjamin Washborn of Bridgewater in the County of Plymouth in the Province of >the Massachusetts Bay in New England, Husbandman for an in consideration of >the Sum of Twenty Pounds in Bills of Credit to me in had before the Insealing >hereof, well and Truly Paid by Jeremiah Allen of Rehoboth Blacksmith & Joseph >Allen of Barrington, Husbandmen both in the County of Bristol in the Province >aforesd. The Receipt where of I Do hereby Acknowledge and my Self therewith >fully Satisfied Contented and Paid, and thereof and of Every part and parcell >are: of Do Exonerate Acquit and Discharge them the Said Jeremiah Allen and >Joseph Allen their heirs Executors and administrators forever by These >Presents: Have Given Granted bargained Sold Aliened Conveyed and Confirmed, >and by these Presents Do freely fully and Absolutely give Grant bargain Sell >Aliene Convey and Confirm Unto them the Said Jeremiah Allen and Joseph Allen >their heirs and Assigns forever A certain Share Proportion or Right of Land >Throughout the Narragansett Township No. 4, Lying & being at a Place called >Quabbin in the County of Hampshire with the One Hundred Acre Lott already >laid out & Drawn & the after Divisions That may be Drawn Upon the Right >hereby Conveyed is the Lott No 4 as Described in the Survey & plan Drawn by >Nathl Kellogg, with all the after Draughts & Divisions in sd township To have >and to hold the said Granted and bargained Premises with all the >appurtenances, Priviledges and Commodities to the Same belonging or in any >wise appertaining to them the said Jeremiah Allen & Joseph Allen their heirs >and assigns forever, to his and their only Proper Use Benefit and behoof >forever and the Said Benjamin Washborn for myself my heirs Executors and >administrators do Covenant Promise and Grant to and with the said Jeremiah >Allen & Joseph Allen their heirs and assigns, that at and before the >Ensealing hereof for the True Sole and Lawfull owner of the above bargained >Premises and am Lawfully Seized and Possessed of the same in my own Proper >Right as a Good Perfect and Absolute Estate of Inheritance In fee Simple: And >have in my self good Right full Power and Lawfull authority to grant bargain >sell convey and confirm Said bargained Premises in manner as above said and >that the said Jeremiah & Joseph Allen heirs and assigns Shall and may from >Time to time and at al Times forever hereafter by force and virtue of these >Presents Lawfully Peaceably and Quietly have hold use Occupie Possess and >Enjoy the said Demised and bargained Premises with the appurtenances free and >Clear and freely and Clearly acquitted Exonerated and Discharged of, from all >and all manner of former or other gifts grants, bargains, sales leases, >mortgages, wills Entails joyntures Dowries Judgements Executions or >Incumbrances of What name or nature soever that might in any measure or >Degree obstruct or make void this Present Deed Further more I the said >Benjamin Washborne for my self my heirs Executors and administrators Do >Covenant and Engage the Above Demised Premises to them the said Jeremiah & >Joseph Allen their heirs and assigns again at the lawfull Claims or Demands >of any person or persons whatsoever forever to warrant secure and Defend by >these Presents: In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal this >twenty fourth Day of May 1739 Signed, Sealed & Delivered In Presence of us >Samuel Childs >Comfort Carpenter > > signed >Benjain Washborne [his Mark & Seal] > >Bristol SS Rehoboth May the 24th 1739 Benjamin Washborn Subscriber to the >above written Instrument appeared Personally and acknowledged the same to be >his act and Deed Before me George Leonard Justice of Peace > >Received June 4th 1742 and Recorded from the Originall > > >IAt present I think the individual who was being called Benjamin Washburn of >Bridgewater, Husbandman was Benjamin son Of Jonathan Washburn///Anyone have >thoughts on that? > >What interested me was A statement in Holland, Josiah History of Western >Massachusetts [1855] reprinted 1994 p. 212 in speaking of the town of >Greenwich which was established in 1754 > >"On the 30th of June 1732 the General Court granted seven townships of land, >six miles square each, to the descenants of the soldiers who destroyed the >Narraganset fort, on the 19th of December, 1675. The number of soldiers was >840" It goes on to say the land was originally laid out in NH but that land >was thought to be unsuitable so they changed it to an are of Massachusetts >known as Quabbin in the Narragasett township No 4, this area became >Greenwich, MA It also said most of the original grantees of the area did >not take up residence there, in fact they often sold their land for little >more than the taxes due on it. > >Don't look on a map it isn't there in 1938 Greenwich ceased to be when it >was annexed to Hardwick, New Salem, Petersham & Ware. > >It would appear that Benjamin was a descendant of one of the soldiers... > >I wonder how many Washburns ended up in Western Mass. because of just such >grants - which of course don't show up in the land records til they pass out >of the family? >Any comments? > >Susan Bingler >Fairfax, VA > >

Your last sentence really scares me. Here in Maine private cemeteries are owned by the survivors and cannot be denied access. Further the Laws of Maine require towns to place flags on the graves of any and all veterans. The towns must also keep the graves of such folks neat and cleared of brush. A further law prevents any construction within 25 feet of any cemetery plot regardless of the number of graves. I believe that young folks, my children's ages 35 - 42, are not teaching their children to respect not only the flag, church property, property of others; but, also the resting place of our citizens. In many communities cemeteries are the only "park like" atmosphere. Let us not disrespect our forefathers. Haven Andrews WASHBURN-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > WASHBURN-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 98 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Re: Fw: WASHBURN NATIONAL REUNION [SUSANLB@aol.com] > #2 Re: Fw: [LINTNER] 3 July,2000 Ceme [FarleyA1@aol.com] > #3 Re: WASHBURN NATIONAL REUNION ["Valeria Reckert" <vreckert@indy.n] > #4 Benjamin Washburn [SUSANLB@aol.com] > #5 Re: Fw: [LINTNER] 3 July,2000 Ceme [SUSANLB@aol.com] > #6 Re: Fw: WASHBURN NATIONAL REUNION [MyPawprints@aol.com] > > Administrivia: > --- > To unsubscribe from the Digest version of the > Washburn Family Discussion list, send an email to > Washburn-D-request@rootsweb.com with the following command: > > unsubscribe > > (and nothing else) in the message area. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Fw: WASHBURN NATIONAL REUNION > Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 08:29:05 EDT > From: SUSANLB@aol.com > To: WASHBURN-L@rootsweb.com > > I like the thought of a Washburn family reunion, but the organization behind > putting one together is overwhelming to me. > > Someone has to plan at least my catered luncheon or better yet dinner that > everyone will attend. Even though each attendee pays his own way, someone > has to contact an establishment, or rent a hall and get a caterer and be > responsible for paying the bill. > > There should be at least one planned activity - visit to an historical site, > something just for the fun of getting together with family and interacting > (No visiting a cemetery or going to a research facility is no a planned > family activity!) > > The location where the reunion is held needs to have housing facilities equal > to the number of people coming, at a variety of prices so that all can afford > it. - Which leans things toward a metropolitan area. > > If you have a dinner, it would be nice to have a speaker for the dinner who > could give an entertaining, but information talk on some aspect of the > Washburn family. > > There needs to be some form of organization to get members of the same branch > together. Probably broken down by descendants of William, descendants of > Phillip and then a series of groups for descendants of each of the > children of John Washburn & Elizabeth Mitchell. > > The first reunion would probably be a simple "long Week-end" affair. > Perhaps, Get in on Friday, trip on Saturday, meals on your own, group > discussion in the evening. Luncheon with speaker on Sunday and go home. > > Since the roots of most Washburn's are in New England - I would suspect the > first meeting should be there. But for the most part any planning done this > year would be for an event in 2001 - most place are now booked with summer > vactioners in New England, and then in the fall with the leaf-peeping tours. > I wouldn't do it in the winter - I moved out of New England because i didn't > like the winters. > > Anyone belong to other one-name socieities that hold a reunion? What do > they do? > > Susan Bingler > Fairfax, VA > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Fw: [LINTNER] 3 July,2000 Cemetery Preservation > Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:06:39 EDT > From: FarleyA1@aol.com > To: WASHBURN-L@rootsweb.com > > In a message dated 07/05/2000 9:02:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > jamaltby@creative.net writes: > > << There is no respect for the dead when the developers are trying to make > money. > >> > > Our very small community was fortunate to save our cemetery (established in > 1870) from an unscrupulous developer. While I would be one of the first to > sign a petition for county, state, or nation - wide protection it requires a > dedicated, no-holds barred determined LOCAL to see a project through. We won > ... got the Board of Supervisors to TAKE the property (which the developer > had gained illegally, but some yahoo in county government hadn't had the > nerve to oppose) through eminent domain proceedings. Durham Cemetery is now > a gorgeous (albeit small at 4.5 acres), oak tree canopied memorial to the > dead, and newly dedicated cemetery. > > Jurisdictions are different in all areas, and while a broadcast "rule" or > "law" may work well for a majority of cemetery preservation efforts, > developers -- and those who see dollar signs at the end of a contract -- > don't worry about disturbing "some old cemetery." When speaking before the > Butte County (California) Planning Commission I was asked why this potential > development would be of any concern to me as it had already been established > that I had no family buried there. My response was that developers are > required by California law to keep their gray water (sewage) on their own > properties, and that this area is prone to standing and high water during wet > years. The adjacent property is a golf course, and knowing golfers I felt > that they wouldn't want to take anything but a pristine little white ball out > of the 5th fairway. I said that I had a great aversion to a leach field > going "through somebody's grandmother's bones," and that was quoted in the > newspaper. > > The developer said that there were "just a few people buried there" ... and > in California at least as few as six interments determine a CEMETERY. We > were before a county judge who asked how we would prove that there were more > than just a few buried there. I asked the judge if he would allow a period > of time to do research, and suggested that an obituary or death certificate > might well be found for everyone thought to be buried there (you couldn't see > the markers for the weeds). An obit is the means by which we invite our > friends and neighbors to the services. While there are errors, the fact that > John Jones died yesterday and is being buried at a particular cemetery > tomorrow is rarely in error as it is our official notification. Death > certificates have been required for many years, and it too shows the place of > burial. He agreed with the argument (the developer was apoplectic) ... We > found 396. > > If you need to fight an intended development, work with all your might to get > the school kids, PTA members, ministers of ALL denominations, members of your > local planning commission, boards of supervisors, and local community members > and businessmen to stand behind you .... then get the press on board, and > you'd be surprised how well your efforts can end up. > > Adriana Farley > Durham, CA > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: WASHBURN NATIONAL REUNION > Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:33:31 -0500 > From: "Valeria Reckert" <vreckert@indy.net> > To: WASHBURN-L@rootsweb.com > > Hello, > > I don't know what I can do from here in Indy for the reunion but I would be > more than willing to help in whatever way I can. I would really love to meet > all my couins finally! > > Also, could some repost the site for signing the cemetery petition? > > Thanks, > > Valeria > vreckert@indy.net > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Benjamin Washburn > Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 16:02:46 EDT > From: SUSANLB@aol.com > To: WASHBURN-L@rootsweb.com > > Interesting Hampshire Co., MA [field in Springfield so in the Hampden Co., MA > records] > > vol. M p. 664-665 > To all People to whom These Presents Shall Come Greeting, Know ye that I > Benjamin Washborn of Bridgewater in the County of Plymouth in the Province of > the Massachusetts Bay in New England, Husbandman for an in consideration of > the Sum of Twenty Pounds in Bills of Credit to me in had before the Insealing > hereof, well and Truly Paid by Jeremiah Allen of Rehoboth Blacksmith & Joseph > Allen of Barrington, Husbandmen both in the County of Bristol in the Province > aforesd. The Receipt where of I Do hereby Acknowledge and my Self therewith > fully Satisfied Contented and Paid, and thereof and of Every part and parcell > are: of Do Exonerate Acquit and Discharge them the Said Jeremiah Allen and > Joseph Allen their heirs Executors and administrators forever by These > Presents: Have Given Granted bargained Sold Aliened Conveyed and Confirmed, > and by these Presents Do freely fully and Absolutely give Grant bargain Sell > Aliene Convey and Confirm Unto them the Said Jeremiah Allen and Joseph Allen > their heirs and Assigns forever A certain Share Proportion or Right of Land > Throughout the Narragansett Township No. 4, Lying & being at a Place called > Quabbin in the County of Hampshire with the One Hundred Acre Lott already > laid out & Drawn & the after Divisions That may be Drawn Upon the Right > hereby Conveyed is the Lott No 4 as Described in the Survey & plan Drawn by > Nathl Kellogg, with all the after Draughts & Divisions in sd township To have > and to hold the said Granted and bargained Premises with all the > appurtenances, Priviledges and Commodities to the Same belonging or in any > wise appertaining to them the said Jeremiah Allen & Joseph Allen their heirs > and assigns forever, to his and their only Proper Use Benefit and behoof > forever and the Said Benjamin Washborn for myself my heirs Executors and > administrators do Covenant Promise and Grant to and with the said Jeremiah > Allen & Joseph Allen their heirs and assigns, that at and before the > Ensealing hereof for the True Sole and Lawfull owner of the above bargained > Premises and am Lawfully Seized and Possessed of the same in my own Proper > Right as a Good Perfect and Absolute Estate of Inheritance In fee Simple: And > have in my self good Right full Power and Lawfull authority to grant bargain > sell convey and confirm Said bargained Premises in manner as above said and > that the said Jeremiah & Joseph Allen heirs and assigns Shall and may from > Time to time and at al Times forever hereafter by force and virtue of these > Presents Lawfully Peaceably and Quietly have hold use Occupie Possess and > Enjoy the said Demised and bargained Premises with the appurtenances free and > Clear and freely and Clearly acquitted Exonerated and Discharged of, from all > and all manner of former or other gifts grants, bargains, sales leases, > mortgages, wills Entails joyntures Dowries Judgements Executions or > Incumbrances of What name or nature soever that might in any measure or > Degree obstruct or make void this Present Deed Further more I the said > Benjamin Washborne for my self my heirs Executors and administrators Do > Covenant and Engage the Above Demised Premises to them the said Jeremiah & > Joseph Allen their heirs and assigns again at the lawfull Claims or Demands > of any person or persons whatsoever forever to warrant secure and Defend by > these Presents: In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal this > twenty fourth Day of May 1739 Signed, Sealed & Delivered In Presence of us > Samuel Childs > Comfort Carpenter > > signed > Benjain Washborne [his Mark & Seal] > > Bristol SS Rehoboth May the 24th 1739 Benjamin Washborn Subscriber to the > above written Instrument appeared Personally and acknowledged the same to be > his act and Deed Before me George Leonard Justice of Peace > > Received June 4th 1742 and Recorded from the Originall > > IAt present I think the individual who was being called Benjamin Washburn of > Bridgewater, Husbandman was Benjamin son Of Jonathan Washburn///Anyone have > thoughts on that? > > What interested me was A statement in Holland, Josiah History of Western > Massachusetts [1855] reprinted 1994 p. 212 in speaking of the town of > Greenwich which was established in 1754 > > "On the 30th of June 1732 the General Court granted seven townships of land, > six miles square each, to the descenants of the soldiers who destroyed the > Narraganset fort, on the 19th of December, 1675. The number of soldiers was > 840" It goes on to say the land was originally laid out in NH but that land > was thought to be unsuitable so they changed it to an are of Massachusetts > known as Quabbin in the Narragasett township No 4, this area became > Greenwich, MA It also said most of the original grantees of the area did > not take up residence there, in fact they often sold their land for little > more than the taxes due on it. > > Don't look on a map it isn't there in 1938 Greenwich ceased to be when it > was annexed to Hardwick, New Salem, Petersham & Ware. > > It would appear that Benjamin was a descendant of one of the soldiers... > > I wonder how many Washburns ended up in Western Mass. because of just such > grants - which of course don't show up in the land records til they pass out > of the family? > Any comments? > > Susan Bingler > Fairfax, VA > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Fw: [LINTNER] 3 July,2000 Cemetery Preservation > Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 16:32:00 EDT > From: SUSANLB@aol.com > To: WASHBURN-L@rootsweb.com > > Cemetery Preservation is best done on a local level not at the Federal level. > There are small cemeteries on private land. My friends 30 acre farm has a > small (20 grave) cemetery on it. It is her land, and the government has no > business mandating how she lives on it, or what she has to do to maintain the > graves. Which are on a back area of the farm, which is wooded. They aren't > her ancestors. She won't destroy the graves, but she shouldn't have to > preserve them either. > > Susan Bingler > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Fw: WASHBURN NATIONAL REUNION > Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 17:05:10 EDT > From: MyPawprints@aol.com > To: WASHBURN-L@rootsweb.com > > My VanZandt family has an annual reunion, each year in a different part of > the country to accommodate our far-flung cousins. Every five years they take > a trip back to the homeland (Netherlands) for a week. The last time I went > we took an extra week in England for sightseeing. > > At the reunion, we spend a couple days touring the area, have guest speakers > about family-related matters of interest, lovely dinner meetings, a time to > exchange family info. It's well-organized and always fun to meet new > cousins. Some are ALWAYS there and many new ones from new parts of the > country attend. > > A master file is kept on all the family lineage so newcomers and oldcomers > alike can access the information for free and update their own files. > > Could get details on how-to if anyone is really interested. > Lyn

My VanZandt family has an annual reunion, each year in a different part of the country to accommodate our far-flung cousins. Every five years they take a trip back to the homeland (Netherlands) for a week. The last time I went we took an extra week in England for sightseeing. At the reunion, we spend a couple days touring the area, have guest speakers about family-related matters of interest, lovely dinner meetings, a time to exchange family info. It's well-organized and always fun to meet new cousins. Some are ALWAYS there and many new ones from new parts of the country attend. A master file is kept on all the family lineage so newcomers and oldcomers alike can access the information for free and update their own files. Could get details on how-to if anyone is really interested. Lyn

Cemetery Preservation is best done on a local level not at the Federal level. There are small cemeteries on private land. My friends 30 acre farm has a small (20 grave) cemetery on it. It is her land, and the government has no business mandating how she lives on it, or what she has to do to maintain the graves. Which are on a back area of the farm, which is wooded. They aren't her ancestors. She won't destroy the graves, but she shouldn't have to preserve them either. Susan Bingler

Interesting Hampshire Co., MA [field in Springfield so in the Hampden Co., MA records] vol. M p. 664-665 To all People to whom These Presents Shall Come Greeting, Know ye that I Benjamin Washborn of Bridgewater in the County of Plymouth in the Province of the Massachusetts Bay in New England, Husbandman for an in consideration of the Sum of Twenty Pounds in Bills of Credit to me in had before the Insealing hereof, well and Truly Paid by Jeremiah Allen of Rehoboth Blacksmith & Joseph Allen of Barrington, Husbandmen both in the County of Bristol in the Province aforesd. The Receipt where of I Do hereby Acknowledge and my Self therewith fully Satisfied Contented and Paid, and thereof and of Every part and parcell are: of Do Exonerate Acquit and Discharge them the Said Jeremiah Allen and Joseph Allen their heirs Executors and administrators forever by These Presents: Have Given Granted bargained Sold Aliened Conveyed and Confirmed, and by these Presents Do freely fully and Absolutely give Grant bargain Sell Aliene Convey and Confirm Unto them the Said Jeremiah Allen and Joseph Allen their heirs and Assigns forever A certain Share Proportion or Right of Land Throughout the Narragansett Township No. 4, Lying & being at a Place called Quabbin in the County of Hampshire with the One Hundred Acre Lott already laid out & Drawn & the after Divisions That may be Drawn Upon the Right hereby Conveyed is the Lott No 4 as Described in the Survey & plan Drawn by Nathl Kellogg, with all the after Draughts & Divisions in sd township To have and to hold the said Granted and bargained Premises with all the appurtenances, Priviledges and Commodities to the Same belonging or in any wise appertaining to them the said Jeremiah Allen & Joseph Allen their heirs and assigns forever, to his and their only Proper Use Benefit and behoof forever and the Said Benjamin Washborn for myself my heirs Executors and administrators do Covenant Promise and Grant to and with the said Jeremiah Allen & Joseph Allen their heirs and assigns, that at and before the Ensealing hereof for the True Sole and Lawfull owner of the above bargained Premises and am Lawfully Seized and Possessed of the same in my own Proper Right as a Good Perfect and Absolute Estate of Inheritance In fee Simple: And have in my self good Right full Power and Lawfull authority to grant bargain sell convey and confirm Said bargained Premises in manner as above said and that the said Jeremiah & Joseph Allen heirs and assigns Shall and may from Time to time and at al Times forever hereafter by force and virtue of these Presents Lawfully Peaceably and Quietly have hold use Occupie Possess and Enjoy the said Demised and bargained Premises with the appurtenances free and Clear and freely and Clearly acquitted Exonerated and Discharged of, from all and all manner of former or other gifts grants, bargains, sales leases, mortgages, wills Entails joyntures Dowries Judgements Executions or Incumbrances of What name or nature soever that might in any measure or Degree obstruct or make void this Present Deed Further more I the said Benjamin Washborne for my self my heirs Executors and administrators Do Covenant and Engage the Above Demised Premises to them the said Jeremiah & Joseph Allen their heirs and assigns again at the lawfull Claims or Demands of any person or persons whatsoever forever to warrant secure and Defend by these Presents: In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal this twenty fourth Day of May 1739 Signed, Sealed & Delivered In Presence of us Samuel Childs Comfort Carpenter signed Benjain Washborne [his Mark & Seal] Bristol SS Rehoboth May the 24th 1739 Benjamin Washborn Subscriber to the above written Instrument appeared Personally and acknowledged the same to be his act and Deed Before me George Leonard Justice of Peace Received June 4th 1742 and Recorded from the Originall IAt present I think the individual who was being called Benjamin Washburn of Bridgewater, Husbandman was Benjamin son Of Jonathan Washburn///Anyone have thoughts on that? What interested me was A statement in Holland, Josiah History of Western Massachusetts [1855] reprinted 1994 p. 212 in speaking of the town of Greenwich which was established in 1754 "On the 30th of June 1732 the General Court granted seven townships of land, six miles square each, to the descenants of the soldiers who destroyed the Narraganset fort, on the 19th of December, 1675. The number of soldiers was 840" It goes on to say the land was originally laid out in NH but that land was thought to be unsuitable so they changed it to an are of Massachusetts known as Quabbin in the Narragasett township No 4, this area became Greenwich, MA It also said most of the original grantees of the area did not take up residence there, in fact they often sold their land for little more than the taxes due on it. Don't look on a map it isn't there in 1938 Greenwich ceased to be when it was annexed to Hardwick, New Salem, Petersham & Ware. It would appear that Benjamin was a descendant of one of the soldiers... I wonder how many Washburns ended up in Western Mass. because of just such grants - which of course don't show up in the land records til they pass out of the family? Any comments? Susan Bingler Fairfax, VA

Hello, I don't know what I can do from here in Indy for the reunion but I would be more than willing to help in whatever way I can. I would really love to meet all my couins finally! Also, could some repost the site for signing the cemetery petition? Thanks, Valeria vreckert@indy.net

In a message dated 07/05/2000 9:02:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jamaltby@creative.net writes: << There is no respect for the dead when the developers are trying to make money. >> Our very small community was fortunate to save our cemetery (established in 1870) from an unscrupulous developer. While I would be one of the first to sign a petition for county, state, or nation - wide protection it requires a dedicated, no-holds barred determined LOCAL to see a project through. We won ... got the Board of Supervisors to TAKE the property (which the developer had gained illegally, but some yahoo in county government hadn't had the nerve to oppose) through eminent domain proceedings. Durham Cemetery is now a gorgeous (albeit small at 4.5 acres), oak tree canopied memorial to the dead, and newly dedicated cemetery. Jurisdictions are different in all areas, and while a broadcast "rule" or "law" may work well for a majority of cemetery preservation efforts, developers -- and those who see dollar signs at the end of a contract -- don't worry about disturbing "some old cemetery." When speaking before the Butte County (California) Planning Commission I was asked why this potential development would be of any concern to me as it had already been established that I had no family buried there. My response was that developers are required by California law to keep their gray water (sewage) on their own properties, and that this area is prone to standing and high water during wet years. The adjacent property is a golf course, and knowing golfers I felt that they wouldn't want to take anything but a pristine little white ball out of the 5th fairway. I said that I had a great aversion to a leach field going "through somebody's grandmother's bones," and that was quoted in the newspaper. The developer said that there were "just a few people buried there" ... and in California at least as few as six interments determine a CEMETERY. We were before a county judge who asked how we would prove that there were more than just a few buried there. I asked the judge if he would allow a period of time to do research, and suggested that an obituary or death certificate might well be found for everyone thought to be buried there (you couldn't see the markers for the weeds). An obit is the means by which we invite our friends and neighbors to the services. While there are errors, the fact that John Jones died yesterday and is being buried at a particular cemetery tomorrow is rarely in error as it is our official notification. Death certificates have been required for many years, and it too shows the place of burial. He agreed with the argument (the developer was apoplectic) ... We found 396. If you need to fight an intended development, work with all your might to get the school kids, PTA members, ministers of ALL denominations, members of your local planning commission, boards of supervisors, and local community members and businessmen to stand behind you .... then get the press on board, and you'd be surprised how well your efforts can end up. Adriana Farley Durham, CA