Have info. on Luther Washburn's time with a Quaker family. In a letter from Calvin, last son of Luther, it states,"Then he engaged with a Quacker farmer who he served with fidelidty several years and therfore imbided many of the Quaker tenets and doctrines to which he held until his death." I have seen this letter on the Internet but received my copy from Dixann 66@aol.com Hope this help clear up some things. Mary

Marc, Does your grand-father James, have any brothers? The NY to WI & MN between 1820/30 and 1850s parallels the travels of my g-grandfather, Brainard Miller Washburn--at least to WI. From there Brainard Miller moved on to the Washington Territory via MO. Diane Washburn

If you James' middle name was Ayres then Brenton Washburne's book shows the line back like this: Bethuel Dwight Washburn and Eunice Gifford Peter Washburn and Sarah (Sally) Ayers Josiah Washburn and Abigail Curtis Josiah Washburn and Mercy Tilson John Washburn and Rebecca Lapham John Washburn and Elizabeth Mitchel Brenton's book also shows a daughter to James and Catherine named Louise who was born 1859 in Minnesota. She married John Reed. Hope this helps. Bill Betts Center Cross, Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: <MChamb8598@aol.com> To: <WASHBURN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 5:22 PM Subject: James Washburn > Hi all, > I'm looking for information on my gg grandfather James Washburn, born in > Ellisburg, NY ca 1820's or early 1830's. James married Catherine Davis in > 1857 in Wisconsin. They then lived primarily in Minnesota. Does this match > anyones information? > > Marc Chambers >

Hi all, I'm looking for information on my gg grandfather James Washburn, born in Ellisburg, NY ca 1820's or early 1830's. James married Catherine Davis in 1857 in Wisconsin. They then lived primarily in Minnesota. Does this match anyones information? Marc Chambers

It of course should have dawned on me that the Charles that married Sarah Gragg and the Charles that married Georgia A. Kuhn were probably the same person. There are some things that are so obvious that we over look them The marriage of Charles Washburn to Georgia Kuhn was on 22 Jul 1871 Brewer, ME (published records) Marcellus Hoben Civil War records mentions that Charles Washburn died Aug 1876 in Bangor Me (he couldn't remember the day and that he had married Georgia A. (Kuhn) Washburn on 3 Apr 1897 Bucksport Center, ME Marcellus went on to say that Georgia had died 12 Jun 1915 Marcellus Hoben died 10 Feb 1922 S. Orrington, ME and that is the end of the pension file. Susan Bingler Fairfax, VA

I did find out some further information. The name of the wife of Charles Washburn was Georgia Kuhn. she did remarry Marcellus Hoben, I got that pension file now thanks to some help I was given by other kind individuals. Charles record is not rolled into it. Apparently the child Sadie Washburn was considered a "helpless child" long past her 16th birthday and was seperately pensioned as such. It is likely that the pension record is still being held by the Veterans Administration and I am attempting to obtain a copy. I will keep you posted. I will chck my files on the other questions and see if I have any further information. Susan Bingler Fairfax, VA

I just read the message from Rick Washburn to Susan Bingler concerning Charles Washburn. I am the great-granddaughter of Franklin Walter Washburn mentioned in the message. I just wanted to add a couple pieces of information about Franklin Walter. I have a photocopy of his death certificate from the Bureau of Vital Statistics in Augusta, Maine, which shows Franklin died on 23 Jul 1934 in Pittston, Kennebec, Maine. He is buried in Union Cemetery in Moscow, Somerset, Maine. Also, I have been to the City Hall in Brewer, Penobscot, Maine and have seen the marriage record that Charles Washburn and Sarah Gragg filed. It is dated 1 Feb 1854. There is very little other information on the record. Of course, this information does not help Susan to find out about Charles, but I wanted to add my little bit of information. Valerie Hanscom evakghanscom@msn.com

Susan, Let me try to help with this particular Charles Washburn by stating the events in chronological order. Charles Washburn b. April 10, 1829, son of Eliphalet and Elsie (Low) Washburn, per Hebron V.R. Charles married Sarah Gragg (unknown date), b.1836, d.May 18, 1869, per Mt. Hope Cemetery records, Bangor, Me. Children of Charles and Sarah. 1. Frederick E. b.1858 d. April 14, 1865, per Mt. Hope Cemetery. 2. Lillie Mabel b. 1860 d. September 3, 1866 (Old Town), per Mt. Hope Cemetery. 3. Franklin Walter b. July 30, 1866, per Old Town V.R, d. July 23, 1934, per Great Grandduaghter from Gardiner, Me. 4. Ulysses b. May 10, 1869, (per Bangor Vol 1 1800-1892), d. August 5, 1869, per Mt. Hope Cemetery. Charles married Georgia (?) (date unknown) b. 1852, d. 1915 with HOBEN as last name, per gravestone insciption, Oak Hill Cemetery, Brewer, Me. Children of Charles and Georgia. 1. Sadie M. b.January 28, 1873, per Bangor V.R, d. (?) Gravestone at Oak Hill Cemetery but no death date. 2. Marcellus b. January 1, 1874, per Bangor V.R, d. October 21, 1874, per Brewer V.R. Charles d. August 17, 1876, per Brewer V.R, buried Oak Hill Cemetery, Brewer,Me. along side gravestones for Georgia, Marcellus and Sadie. The only dates on Charles grave is 1830-1876. Penobscot Probate Court reads the following, Franklin Washburn, minor child of deceased Charles Washburn is given under guardianship of Aaron S. Simpson and was allowed to that trust per the only grandparent next of kin, Lucy W. Gragg. Signed August 29, 1876. My question is, Is the Charles born to Eliphalet Washburn the same Charles who married Sarah, the same Charles who has the grave at Oak Hill Cemetary in Brewer, Me. I believe the answer is yes based upon the preponderance of evidence. In addition, I've been unable to find a Charles within 9 years of this age that maybe a candidate from that area. I believe the records of the Charles who enlisted in the Civil War in 1861 from Brewer may help. I am waiting for the records as well, but you say they were misfiled. HOBEN maybe the name they were misfiled under. Hope this is of help. Best Regards At 09:21 AM 7/29/2000 EDT, you wrote: >DOes any one have information on > >Charles D. Washburn who enlisted in the Civil War > >co. C 2 Maine Infantry > >had a wife Georgia last name unknown >child: Sadie > > >When did Charles die? >did his widow Georgia remarry? >What ever happened to Sadie? > >There is a civil war pension file in the index for these people but the file >can not be located. The National Archives believes that the pension office >probably interfiled it under some other name and did not do the appropriate >cross referencing. The file is probably listed under who ever Georgia may >have remarried. > >All help appreciated > >Susan Bingler >Fairfax, VA > Richard Washburn Fremont,N.H. rick.washburn@bmd.cpii.com

In a message dated 8/8/2000 2:31:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, SUSANLB@aol.com writes: << As to the Quaker religion, he may well have stayed for a time with a Quaker family, but there is no proof of that. He doesn't appear to have attended meetings anywhere (Henshaw books, etc.) >> If Luther served in the Military, I think you can safely assume that he was not a practicing Quaker. Since Corpsmen and Medics didn't exist and the Colonial Army had few "desks" for clerical work, a person in the military was there to fight, and this the true Quaker abhorred. The Conscientious Objector was not new, having been around for over a century by the start of the American Revolution. Mac

Barbara & John Greetings That is exactly my point. This is the first PRIMARY source I have seen that supports the family stories that Luther was in Bennington, VT. As John mentioned this usually occurred when families first showed up in town and the town had reason to believe they might be come a detriment. You could probably place their arrival in Bennington within the year before they were warned out. Since Luther NEVER shows up in the vote of the town, the positions assigned, on a list of freeman, etc. shows that though he was in the town (i.e. children born in VT) He didn't participate much in town establishment As to the Quaker religion, he may well have stayed for a time with a Quaker family, but there is no proof of that. He doesn't appear to have attended meetings anywhere (Henshaw books, etc.) As to the war record. He served for 4 years, He was barely 18 when he enlisted, he couldn't wait to get into battle. I would want to see further evidence before I would say he had Quaker leanings I have enjoyed the discussion, hopefully further information may come to light. Susan Bingler Fairfax, VA

Many Thanks for all the responses on Who The Ephraim Washburn from the War of 1812 pension record is. I often obtain records, but don't always know who's family they belong with. I much appreciate all the people who respond on help out. Susan Bingler Fairfax, VA

Hi Barbara. At 09:20 AM 8/7/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Hello, Bill - >The discussion on the possible ramifications of Luther Washburn's Quaker leanings stemmed from Dixie's question: "Probably the reason they were warned out was his views on the Quaker religion???" > >The process begins with a logical premise - at least until one finds convincing evidence to the contrary. As non-aggression is a major Quaker tenet, it would be reasonable to first suppose an overtly practicing Quaker - certainly one whose Quakerism might be manifest enough to be considered cause to be warned out - would have likely adhered to the fundamental Quaker practice of pacifism. > >No one says many who were registered as Quakers didn't ever fight in wars. And your own interesting exception proves that point. And Dixie's letter does state that Luther had "imbibed many of the Quaker tenets and doctrines". But, many who are even baptized, and registered, and married, and christen their children, and are buried, all within a singular religious sect wouldn't hold strong enough views to make even a philosophical ripple in their town much less be warned out on that basis. > >My point, and I think Susan's also, was that in all logic - given his military record - it seemed improbable that Luther was warned out solely on the basis of his Quaker beliefs. > >We may never know - but then, that's what keeps many of us searching through files and film and records and letters....seeking that elusive truth. > >My best - >Barbara Dudley Washburn-Lienhard > > You are correct. Being "warned out " of Bennington, Vermont, had nothing at all to do with the question of whether or not he was a Quaker. It was routine for the town selectmen to "warn out" newcomers to their town if they suspected that the newcomers might in the future fall on hard times and be unable to support themselves. Towns were expected to support their inhabitants if they became unable to support themselves, and "warning out" was a way to warn the newcomer that, in effect, the town would not take care of them if they were to become unable to support themselves. They were expected to return to the town they came from to be taken care of. It sounds to me like Luther did not have such a problem. He lived in Bennington a few years, then probably heard of better land available in New York, and moved there. Today, the importance of finding a "warning out" record is that it definately places the family in that town at that point in time, and it also suggests that the family was probably new to the town at that time. John A. Maltby Redwood City, CA jamaltby@creative.net

Susan, all Family Search has a Ephraim Washburn listing at http://www.familysearch.org/Search/PRF/pedresource_file_frame.asp?recid=110685467 that would seem to be a match -- with parents and g-parents. B. = 1 Oct 1789 P.B. = Hebron, ME D. = ~ 1815 P.D. = at sea Father = Manassah Washburn G-Father = Ephraim Washburn Mother = Sylvia Caswell G-Father = Elijah Caswell G-Mother = Mary ? GG-father = Elizjah Caswell GG-Mother = Hannah Freeman Spouse = Sally Perkins M. = 5 Nov 1812 - Doug Washburn On Monday, August 07, 2000 9:39 AM, SUSANLB@aol.com [SMTP:SUSANLB@aol.com] wrote: : I submit this information in hopes that for someone it may be a missing link : I can not identify Ephraim Washburn's parents but it is a mystery I hope to : find a solution to. : : This Ephraim Washburn married after the 1810 census and he died before the : 1820 census. He had 2 young children, I suspect daughters if Almarine is the : name of a girl. His widow remarried before 1820 and all track of this : family seems lost. : : All information is from the War of 1812 pension record placed on behalf of : the minor children of Ephraim Washburn and later reinstatement of a widow's : pension. : : : Ephraim Washburn died 27 Jan 1815 lost at sea aboard the Privateer DASH : : He married Sarah Perkins 5 Nov 1812 sometimes called Sally : and she remarried 1 Feb 1817 to Simon Staples : : Simon Staples died 15 Jan 1858 : : The 2 minor children of Ephraim & Sarah Washburn are: : : Charlotte Washburn born 6 Feb 1813 : Almarine Washburn born 28 Apr 1815 : : The application for pension of the minor children was made on 26 Jul 1819 : from Hebron, Oxford Co., ME [then MA] : : Joseph Perkins was appointed as their guardian [resides Hebron, ME] : : : A Selection of Documents : : Cumberland SS : October 6, 1825 : I Luther Perkins of Hebron in the county of Oxford being duly sworn depose : and say that I am well acquainted with Joseph Perkins guardian as mentioned : in the within papers and that he still continues & now is the legal guardian : to the children of Ephraim Washburn within mentioned and that said children : are now living. : : : State of Maine : County of Oxford SS : : Be it know that before me, the undersigned a judge of probate duly authorized : by law to administer oaths within and for the County aforesaid, personally : appeared Sally STAPLES and made oath in due form of law that she is the : identical Sally Washburn who drew a pension under Act of Congress of March 3 : 1817 and at the rate of $48 per annum on account of the naval services of her : former husband Ephraim Washburn & his death in service on board the Privateer : DASH war of 1812 : That she makes this affidavit for the purpose of obtaining a renewal of said : pension under Act of Feb 3d 1852 section 1st also Act June 9 1858 .....Having : forfeited her said pension for the time being by her intermarriage with one : Simon Staples who died on the fifteenth day of January 1858 and being again a : widow she hereby claims a renewal of her former pension as above granted her : by reason of her former husbands naval services and death in service : sworn to and subscribed on the 20 day of March A.D. 1860 : : : ....ON this 24th day of March 1860 personally appeared before me ...Frederick : Dennen and Elon Chadbourne and made oath in due form of law that they were : personally acquainted with Sally Staples formerly of Hebron and late of Oxford : : : I hereby certify whom it may concern, that on the fifth day of November in : the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and Twelve Ephraim Washburn & : Sally Perskins both of Hebron in the county of Oxford and commonwealth of : Massachusetts were joined n lawful wedlock by me the subscriber according to : the laws of the commonwealth aforesaid. A true extract from my records of : Marriage : : William C. Whitney, Justice of the peace : : : I don't know who this Ephraim Washburn is, or whether Sally Perkins was his : one and only wife. I don't know his age so don't know when he was born, but : supposing he was at least 22 at his marriage in 1812 he would have been born : before 1790. : : I am interested in others comments. : : Susan Bingler : Fairfax, VA :

I submit this information in hopes that for someone it may be a missing link I can not identify Ephraim Washburn's parents but it is a mystery I hope to find a solution to. This Ephraim Washburn married after the 1810 census and he died before the 1820 census. He had 2 young children, I suspect daughters if Almarine is the name of a girl. His widow remarried before 1820 and all track of this family seems lost. All information is from the War of 1812 pension record placed on behalf of the minor children of Ephraim Washburn and later reinstatement of a widow's pension. Ephraim Washburn died 27 Jan 1815 lost at sea aboard the Privateer DASH He married Sarah Perkins 5 Nov 1812 sometimes called Sally and she remarried 1 Feb 1817 to Simon Staples Simon Staples died 15 Jan 1858 The 2 minor children of Ephraim & Sarah Washburn are: Charlotte Washburn born 6 Feb 1813 Almarine Washburn born 28 Apr 1815 The application for pension of the minor children was made on 26 Jul 1819 from Hebron, Oxford Co., ME [then MA] Joseph Perkins was appointed as their guardian [resides Hebron, ME] A Selection of Documents Cumberland SS October 6, 1825 I Luther Perkins of Hebron in the county of Oxford being duly sworn depose and say that I am well acquainted with Joseph Perkins guardian as mentioned in the within papers and that he still continues & now is the legal guardian to the children of Ephraim Washburn within mentioned and that said children are now living. State of Maine County of Oxford SS Be it know that before me, the undersigned a judge of probate duly authorized by law to administer oaths within and for the County aforesaid, personally appeared Sally STAPLES and made oath in due form of law that she is the identical Sally Washburn who drew a pension under Act of Congress of March 3 1817 and at the rate of $48 per annum on account of the naval services of her former husband Ephraim Washburn & his death in service on board the Privateer DASH war of 1812 That she makes this affidavit for the purpose of obtaining a renewal of said pension under Act of Feb 3d 1852 section 1st also Act June 9 1858 .....Having forfeited her said pension for the time being by her intermarriage with one Simon Staples who died on the fifteenth day of January 1858 and being again a widow she hereby claims a renewal of her former pension as above granted her by reason of her former husbands naval services and death in service sworn to and subscribed on the 20 day of March A.D. 1860 ....ON this 24th day of March 1860 personally appeared before me ...Frederick Dennen and Elon Chadbourne and made oath in due form of law that they were personally acquainted with Sally Staples formerly of Hebron and late of Oxford I hereby certify whom it may concern, that on the fifth day of November in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and Twelve Ephraim Washburn & Sally Perskins both of Hebron in the county of Oxford and commonwealth of Massachusetts were joined n lawful wedlock by me the subscriber according to the laws of the commonwealth aforesaid. A true extract from my records of Marriage William C. Whitney, Justice of the peace I don't know who this Ephraim Washburn is, or whether Sally Perkins was his one and only wife. I don't know his age so don't know when he was born, but supposing he was at least 22 at his marriage in 1812 he would have been born before 1790. I am interested in others comments. Susan Bingler Fairfax, VA

Hello, Bill - The discussion on the possible ramifications of Luther Washburn's Quaker leanings stemmed from Dixie's question: "Probably the reason they were warned out was his views on the Quaker religion???" The process begins with a logical premise - at least until one finds convincing evidence to the contrary. As non-aggression is a major Quaker tenet, it would be reasonable to first suppose an overtly practicing Quaker - certainly one whose Quakerism might be manifest enough to be considered cause to be warned out - would have likely adhered to the fundamental Quaker practice of pacifism. No one says many who were registered as Quakers didn't ever fight in wars. And your own interesting exception proves that point. And Dixie's letter does state that Luther had "imbibed many of the Quaker tenets and doctrines". But, many who are even baptized, and registered, and married, and christen their children, and are buried, all within a singular religious sect wouldn't hold strong enough views to make even a philosophical ripple in their town much less be warned out on that basis. My point, and I think Susan's also, was that in all logic - given his military record - it seemed improbable that Luther was warned out solely on the basis of his Quaker beliefs. We may never know - but then, that's what keeps many of us searching through files and film and records and letters....seeking that elusive truth. My best - Barbara Dudley Washburn-Lienhard

Barbara, If Luther Washburn was of the Quaker religion, he certainly was not the only Quaker to participate in the American Revolution. My ancestor, John Mears of Philadelphia was a Quaker. And he married a Quaker, Susannah Townsend. Their marriage is recorded in the Quaker records as well as the births of their children. In spite of his strong Quaker ties, John was in sympathy with the Patriot's cause, and he started by helping to recruit volunteers for Washington's army. He eventually was put into command of a company of soldiers and was given the rank of Leiutenant and later Captain. Bill DeCoursey

You are right Susan it does not sound that way at all. For all the little bit I know there is always someone out there that has more info and is willing to share..Thanks very much.. Dixie

Luther Washburn of Ashfield, MA did more in the war than just serve as a wagoner for General Lee. That service is Massachusetts Soldiers and Sailors....vol 16 p. 655 PVT Lieut. Colonel's Co., Col. Wessons regt; Continental Army pay acct for 1780; no wages credited to said Washbourne; residence, Ashfield; reported appointed wagoner to Col. Lee to go to Virginia. He also served Private, Capt. David Cowden's co., Col Benhamin Ruggles Woodbrige's regt muster roll dated Aug 1, 1775, elisted May 13 1775; service 2 mos 24 day; also company return dated near Prospect Hill, Sept 28, 1775, also return of men raised to serve in the Continental Army from Capt Elisha Cranson's co., 5th Hampshire Co., regt, dated Ashfield, April 22, 1779; enlisted for town of Ashfield, enlistment, during war; also return of men raised to serve in the Continental Army from 5th Hampshire Co., regt, as attested by Col. David Field; engaged for town of Ashfield; joined capt Bartlit;s co, Col. Wesson's regt; term during war. From his pension record he states that he enlisted in 1775 soon after the Bunkerhill battle served 8 monthes the following November enlisted for 1 year serving under Col. Weston, and was discharged at Philadelphia, PA in 1778 in his own words "That he was in the battle on Long Island and in the retreat from New York when Col. Knowlton was killed, and in several of the battles at the taking of Burgoyne's army." After all that he served as a waggoner to General Lee This does not sound like a pacifist or a man with "Quaker leanings" to me Susan Bingler Fairfax, VA

Barbara The baggage- wagon thought is food for thought.. I dont think he was a Quaker by religion my take on Martins letter was he lead his life by mant of the Quaker tenets and doctrines.. My Best Dixie

If Luther was warned out of Bennington for professing Quaker beliefs, then his enlistment in the Continental Army would seem inconsistent to those beliefs. The "Quaker Declaration of Pacifism" to Charles II in 1660 reads thus - "We utterly deny all outward wars and strife, and fightings with outward weapons, for any end, or under any pretense whatever; this is our testimony to the whole world. The Spirit of Christ by which we are guided is not changeable, so as once to command us from a thing as evil, and again to move unto it; and we certainly know, and testify to the world, that the Spirit of Christ, which leads us into all truth, will never move us to fight and war against any man with outward weapons, neither for the kingdom of Christ, nor for the kingdoms of this world." These tenets put many a modern day Quaker to the test in the face of the "draft" - in my memory during both the Korean and Vietnam conflicts. For the most part, although they were still required to serve in the armed services, as pacifists they were given desk or non-combat jobs. I wonder if Luther's appointment as General Lee's baggage wagon driver might somehow have been related to this issue; and what the "misconduct on the battlefield" question was about. Could it somehow relate to refusal to carry or use a weapon? Just conjecture. But would there be records somewhere to shed light on this event? Barbara Dudley Washburn-Lienhard