Thanks for looking Nivard - what you ask is the key question! What seems to have happened is that Edwin and Sarah had that dau Jane Elizabeth which you found, and then a son Charles William turned up in 1870 in Rugby. In 1871, mother Sarah is living-in as a sick nurse for an elderly woman in Long Lawford and has 8m old Charlie with her but sadly Jane Elizabeth and an older half-brother, an out of wedlock son of Sarah's named John HOUHGTON, are both in the Rugby Workhouse. Sarah's eldest out of wedlock child Eliza HOUGHTON is a servant for another family in Long Lawford, aged 16. I cannot find Edwin in any other records after Jane Elizabeth's baptism and all the signs are he did a runner in or about 1870. I think he may have gone abroad. There's a candidate in Kansas USA. Deceptively there's another Edwin MATTHEWS marrying and having children nearby but he was born in 1847 and is a different chap. Poor Sarah carried on through, however, and seems to have lived to the ripe age of 87 - I think I've found her death reg in 1917. I've found her in the 1911 census in Hillmorton, a few doors from her married dau Eliza GRIFFITHS. So a sad story may have had a happier ending. It's taken a devil of a time to work out all the above ! Regards Celia in Chesterfield On 6 January 2013 15:37, Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: > Hi Celia > > I have been digging around for potential clues for Sarah but only came > up with a possible baptism for a daughter Jane Elizabeth in 1868 > > Warwickshire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1910 about Jane Elizabeth Matthews > Name: Jane Elizabeth Matthews > Parish: Newbold on Avon > Baptism Date: 6 Jan 1868 > Father's Name: Edwin Matthews > Mother's Name: Sarah Matthews > > No doubt you have that if its them, I did not see them in the later > census have you found them? > > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 06/01/2013 13:25, Celia Renshaw wrote: >> I wonder if anyone on the list can do me a huge favour? From Ancestry >> I obtained the image of the following marriage but the fathers' >> details in the image were obscured. I messaged Ancestry, asking for a >> better image, without result. Can anyone check the original for me - >> or does anyone have a transcript of it? This is the one: >> >> St Michael, Coventry, Warwicks >> 253. 23 Dec 1866 by ? >> Edwin MATTHEWS, 21, bachelor, labourer, of Jordan Well (father William >> - occupation illegible) >> Sarah HOUGHTON, 36, widow, of Jordan Well (father John.... - surname & >> occupation illegible) >> Edwin signed; Sarah signed with X her mark >> Wits: Joseph INGRAM; Lucy X CARPENTER >> Minister : illegible > ------------------------------- > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Celia Renshaw wrote: > Thanks for looking Nivard - what you ask is the key question! What > seems to have happened is that Edwin and Sarah had that dau Jane > Elizabeth which you found, and then a son Charles William turned up in > 1870 in Rugby. In 1871, mother Sarah is living-in as a sick nurse for > an elderly woman in Long Lawford and has 8m old Charlie with her but > sadly Jane Elizabeth and an older half-brother, an out of wedlock son > of Sarah's named John HOUHGTON, are both in the Rugby Workhouse. Hallo Might the workhouse records or the account books for the Guardians of the Poor help a little? Connie in London

Yes, that's a good thought Connie, thanks. I shall have to find out where Rugby Workhouse records are held and where the Poor Law records for Lawford/Newbold are. Regards, Celia Renshaw in Chesterfield > Hallo > > Might the workhouse records or the account books for the Guardians of > the Poor help a little? > > Connie in London > -------------------------------