I'm quite prepared to believe that this is Sheepy, but I don't agree about the crossing. The crossing on this page, as far as I can see from the image, occurs only where a t is plausible (apart from Sheepy, if it is Sheepy). It doesn't occur in any names that definitely do not have a t. And the second place name on this page has an r after what I think is a t, and so must be Austrey, not Ansley. The crossing could be a mark made by a clerk, but if so it's odd that it only occurs where a t is plausible. In the image that I am looking at (Ancestry) the 'crossing' in Leicestershire Sheepy does not appear to be continuous, but goes through the t of Leicestershire and does not appear to join up with the crossing over Sheepy. Also, two of the entries for Atherstone (three on this page) have the word Atherstone not in the where born column but in the last column (whether blind or deaf and dumb) because the enumerator has written Warwickshire so that if fills the whole of the where born column. (The third entry manages to fit Atherstone in the where born column as well as Warwickshire, and the crossing is there in the where born column.) If it was the mark of a clerk adding something up, it's odd that it doesn't always occur in the same column. The faint crossing of t also occurs in the name and relationship columns (mother, visitor). On this page the ts of the family name Garratt are crossed quite strongly, but the faint crossing of the t occurs in names on other pages. The previous page shows the same features, including the entry that I interpreted as Wales N Langothelyn (presumably Llangollen heard as such by the Grendon enumerator, and that has this form of faint crossing). However, it is possible that it is a clerk's mark, and I'm not sure that these esoteric ramblings are of much use to Normadiane in the pursuit of her (?) ancestor. David Paul Prescott wrote: > David, Norma: > > The second character of "Sheepy" isn't crossed. If you look carefully, > you will see that the apparent crossing is a fainter mark, probably put > there later by the clerk totalling things up, It continues well to the > left of "Sheepy", through "Leicestershire". Similar marks can be seen > lower down the page, through "Ansley" (hence not "Anstey" , nor > "Anstry") and through Atherstone". > > Sheepy is very close to Grindon, as are Ansley and Bad[d]esley. > > Regards > > Paul Prescott > > -- David Franks, Cambridge, England Researching Castle and Tallis, Warwickshire and Oxfordshire, and Thomas Castle, convict transported to Van Diemen’s Land Warwickshire Online Parish Clerks http://www.hunimex.com/warwick/opc/opc.html

David: I think we can agree that all transcriptions are difficult to be certain about. It would help if we could find John DEEMING's baptism or marriage, but both the IGI and VRI draw a blank on these. My own view is that John was definitely born at Sheepy. Alice's birthplace could read Ansley (which I favour) or Austry (but not Austrey - there aren't enough letters) and both are reasonably close to Grendon. Interestingly, there's 13 DEEMINGs living in Ansley in 1851 and none in Austrey. One of the 13 is a John DEEMING, aged 50. He may well be John and Alice's son. His wife Mary was clearly born Sheepy Leicestershire. Not conclusive, but strong circumstantial evidence in favour of Sheepy / Ansley. Regards Paul Prescott ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Franks OPC" <df10@cam.ac.uk> To: "Paul Prescott" <paul@toranean.demon.co.uk> Cc: <NORMADIANE@aol.com>; <warwick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] Badly written census entry > I'm quite prepared to believe that this is Sheepy, but I don't agree about > the crossing. The crossing on this page, as far as I can see from the > image, occurs only where a t is plausible (apart from Sheepy, if it is > Sheepy). It doesn't occur in any names that definitely do not have a t. > And the second place name on this page has an r after what I think is a t, > and so must be Austrey, not Ansley. The crossing could be a mark made by > a clerk, but if so it's odd that it only occurs where a t is plausible. > In the image that I am looking at (Ancestry) the 'crossing' in > Leicestershire Sheepy does not appear to be continuous, but goes through > the t of Leicestershire and does not appear to join up with the crossing > over Sheepy. Also, two of the entries for Atherstone (three on this page) > have the word Atherstone not in the where born column but in the last > column (whether blind or deaf and dumb) because the enumerator has written > Warwickshire so that if fills the whole of the where born column. (The > third entry manages to fit Atherstone in the where born column as well as > Warwickshire, and the crossing is there in the where born column.) If it > was the mark of a clerk adding something up, it's odd that it doesn't > always occur in the same column. The faint crossing of t also occurs in > the name and relationship columns (mother, visitor). On this page the ts > of the family name Garratt are crossed quite strongly, but the faint > crossing of the t occurs in names on other pages. > > The previous page shows the same features, including the entry that I > interpreted as Wales N Langothelyn (presumably Llangollen heard as such by > the Grendon enumerator, and that has this form of faint crossing). > > However, it is possible that it is a clerk's mark, and I'm not sure that > these esoteric ramblings are of much use to Normadiane in the pursuit of > her (?) ancestor. > > David > > Paul Prescott wrote: >> David, Norma: >> >> The second character of "Sheepy" isn't crossed. If you look carefully, >> you will see that the apparent crossing is a fainter mark, probably put >> there later by the clerk totalling things up, It continues well to the >> left of "Sheepy", through "Leicestershire". Similar marks can be seen >> lower down the page, through "Ansley" (hence not "Anstey" , nor "Anstry") >> and through Atherstone". >> >> Sheepy is very close to Grindon, as are Ansley and Bad[d]esley. >> >> Regards >> >> Paul Prescott >> >> > > -- > David Franks, Cambridge, England > Researching Castle and Tallis, Warwickshire and Oxfordshire, and Thomas > Castle, convict transported to Van Diemen’s Land > Warwickshire Online Parish Clerks > http://www.hunimex.com/warwick/opc/opc.html >

As OPC of Ansley- I have the Ansley PRs and have transcribed the years required - The transcriptions are on PPP http://www.hunimex.com/warwick/bmd/bmd_indx.html - They do NOT confirm that the DEEMING family in Ansley was connected to Sheepy - I am not surprised that no sign of a baptism or marriage is found for John- Leicestershire records are BTs for the most part and many years are missing. Let me know if you need more info from the PRS for Ansley . Cheers wendy I think we can agree that all transcriptions are difficult to be certain about. It would help if we could find John DEEMING's baptism or marriage, but both the IGI and VRI draw a blank on these.